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Cal Men's Basketball Program - Looking back in order to look forward

January 29, 2023
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Despite the historical levels of losing over the past four seasons, the team continued to play hard.  Unsurprisingly, the emotional resilience of the Bears has reached its limit.  After a near 30-point loss to Stanford last night, Cal has now lost three games in a row by more than twenty points, including embarrassing performances vs. two of the Pac-12’s worst teams in Oregon State and Stanford.

Five short years ago, it appeared that Cal had hired a coach who would staunch the bleeding that occurred after the capricious and ignominious hiring of Wyking Jones by then Athletic Director, Mike Williams.   While the decision to bring Mark Fox to Berkeley was not met with excitement from any corner, it appeared to be a safe hire.   Fox’s “success” at a basketball-impaired Georgia program and his resume from Nevada implied at the very least a reasonably high floor.   He brought what appeared to be a cultural and personality fit with Cal.  A cerebral and well-spoken head coach with high character, Fox shared many of the attributes that have made Justin Wilcox popular in Berkeley.

Yet, almost immediately, Mark Fox struggled.   And it became clear that what at first appeared to be an appropriate if uninspired hire, was in fact a mismatch of need and talent.   Mark Fox is a very capable basketball coach.  He earns the respect of his players and is an effective teacher and game planner.  To anyone who has had a chance to spend time with him, he’s hard not to like as his authenticity and character are obvious.   

The mismatch is simply that Cal, coming off two disastrous seasons under Coach Jones, needed an injection of energy, and excitement to go along with the rebuilding of a roster whose talent level had fallen off sharply following Cuonzo Martin’s decision to move on to Missouri.   Fox is not a lively personality, his relationship with the press can best be described as distrustful and distant and he’d rather have a roster built around harmonious humility rather than the type of dynamic talent that is essential to winning basketball games.  

While he didn’t have much of a window to re-recruit the returning talent he inherited on the roster, he was unable to hold on to leading scorer Justice Sueing and promising big man, Conner Vanover, both of whom transferred out to more promising situations.  Despairingly, his first recruiting class proved to be bereft of Pac-12-level starting talent.   A trend that didn’t change until the class of 2022.    And to add serious injury to the insult of Fox’s recruiting ineptitude, he not only failed to retain but to varying degrees pushed out the two most productive players of his tenure - Matt Bradley and Andre Kelly.  The idea that Fox put out discreetly to donors, was that these would be additions by subtraction.   Instead, it proved to be subtraction by subtraction.

Based on numerous conversations with AAU and high school coaches, opposing assistants, and long-time recruiting pundits, the picture of Coach Fox and his staff’s approach to attracting new talent became clear.  They strongly preferred not to cast a wide net, eschewing the relentless and nearly ubiquitous approach of attending every recruiting event in order to be seen and build the Bears’ brand, choosing instead to focus on a small handful of players they believed could help them AND that they believed they could land.  They relied on their belief that they could scout well enough to find hidden gems who would relish the opportunity to get a Cal degree and play at the Pac-12 level.  It’s not a huge leap to assume they were insecure about their ability to outsell other programs for players who were coveted.   The children of former Cal stars who had grown up fans of the program were ignored, seemingly because they would be highly sought-after players.  The comments that were consistently used to describe Fox and his staff on the recruiting trail from leading local and West Coast AAU and HS programs were, “We see the Cal staff far less than any other P12 program.” “They’re simply not very visible on the recruiting trail,” and, “My kid (almost always a future P12 player)  is interested in Cal but we haven’t heard from them”.

The scouting prowess Fox seemingly wanted to rely on proved to be illusory.  Not only did it lead to the creation of what is arguably the most talent-deficient roster among Power 5 programs nationally, but it also had glaring misses.  None more pointed than local star Aidan Mahaney, who as a true freshman is the best player on an always solid St. Marys team.  Creating energy for a program starts with recruiting and finding local talent would have been an instant win and provide a reason to attend games for an increasingly disinterested Bears fan base.  According to multiple sources, despite growing up in Cal’s backyard, Fox slow-played Mahaney as he was unsure he was a Pac-12-level player.  Only when Fox missed on two other combo guards he coveted more highly than Mahaney did he turn his attention to the Campolindo star. It was too little, too late as Mahaney felt far more comfortable with Randy Bennet who had made him a priority going back to his sophomore year in high school.  One source close to Mahaney shared that had Fox gone all in on Mahaney just 6 months earlier, the Gaels' leading scorer would now be in Berkeley.  And lest folks get confused about the “inherent” challenges of recruiting quality basketball players to Cal, a re-read of this data will be enlightening.

Despite the historical level of losing, to our knowledge, Fox hasn’t changed a single thing about his approach.  Zero turnover on a staff that has failed to recruit successfully or produce wins on the court sent the message to fans and donors, that he would rather fail epically on his terms than adjust or modify his approach.  As for the press, Fox has never allowed his assistants to be interviewed and limited access to his players to a degree that if not unprecedented in college basketball is close to it.  He was so overly controlling or paranoid or both that he would not even allow Cal’s own radio personalities to attend practice or talk with players.  

And the idea that Fox has somehow dealt with an unprecedented level of injuries during this 2022-23 season is misleading at best and unfortunate propaganda at worst.  Ask any coach in America whether he’d love to have a team with three 5th year returning starters who rarely if ever miss a game and the answer you’ll get back is, “Hell Yes!.”  Fox has had Brown, Kuany, and Lars (all of whom he recruited and developed) available for 95%+ of this season.   The notion that DeJuan Clayton’s lack of availability earlier this season had a material impact has been shattered by his 29% FG shooting since returning seven games ago.  Jarred Hyder’s clearly shown over three years he’s not a Pac-12 level guard with his career 26% 3pt FG% and 1:1 assist-to-turnover ratio.  And though Celestine’s injury was unfortunate, it’s far from surprising given his health history even prior to coming to Berkeley.   And it’s not as if other college basketball programs haven’t faced injury challenges, it’s an issue for the vast majority of programs.   Summarily, it would take a very creative imagination to believe that even with Clayton, Askew, Hyder, and Celestine available that Cal would have been anything more than a .500 overall team finishing in the bottom third of the Pac-12.   Far easier to objectively evaluate a fully-healthy Cal roster as no better than the 11th best in the Pac-12.  

As the Fox era winds down, it’s time to look forward.   Cal needs a coach who can be a change agent.  Who can galvanize donor and fan support to build the long-needed practice facility and bring Haas Pavilion back to its historical levels of attendance.  It requires a dynamic personality who will inspire hope and someone who will make the recruitment and retention of talent their top priority.    Someone who can see the Bears program as a glass that is half full.  Emphasizing the location, P5 conference, historical success, and academic prowess rather than lamenting the less-than-ideal (though improving) admissions situation and the lack of a practice facility.  Moreover, they need to take a page from Justin Wilcox’s playbook to systemically improve and increase the quality of financial and administrative support of the program from the University.

Cal has to make Men’s Basketball a priority and reach into its potential for revenue generation which though modest is important and its impact on the broader health of the overall athletic program.   Basketball is a gateway for students to bond with the school for the long term, and a hugely important connection point to alumni and significant donors.   While the Chancellor and Athletic Director play a critical role in aligning with this mission, it’s the new head coach and the head coach alone that can catalyze the necessary changes.

As we move on from the Fox era and look forward to rebuilding the Men’s Basketball Program at Cal, the opportunity and challenge starts and ends with finding the right head coach.  

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Cal Men's Basketball Program - Looking back in order to look forward

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Five short years ago, it appeared that Cal had hired a coach who would staunch the bleeding that occurred after the capricious and ignominious hiring of Wyking Jones by then Athletic Director, Mike Williams. While the decision to bring Mark Fox to Berkeley was not met with excitement from any corner, it appeared to be a safe hire. Fox's "success" at a basketball-impaired Georgia program and his resume from Nevada implied at the very least a reasonably high floor. He brought what appeared to be a cultural and personality fit with Cal. A cerebral and well-spoken head coach with high character, Fox shared many of the attributes that have made Justin Wilcox popular in Berkeley.
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it became clear that what at first appeared to be an appropriate if uninspired hire, was in fact a mismatch of need and talent. Mark Fox is a very capable basketball coach. He earns the respect of his players and is an effective teacher and game planner. To anyone who has had a chance to spend time with him, he's hard not to like as his authenticity and character are obvious.
I appreciate the article but the beginning is a miss, guys. This reads like Mark Fox peer-reviewed your article.
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But are we really close to the end of the Mark Fox era???
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eastcoastcal said:

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Five short years ago, it appeared that Cal had hired a coach who would staunch the bleeding that occurred after the capricious and ignominious hiring of Wyking Jones by then Athletic Director, Mike Williams. While the decision to bring Mark Fox to Berkeley was not met with excitement from any corner, it appeared to be a safe hire. Fox's "success" at a basketball-impaired Georgia program and his resume from Nevada implied at the very least a reasonably high floor. He brought what appeared to be a cultural and personality fit with Cal. A cerebral and well-spoken head coach with high character, Fox shared many of the attributes that have made Justin Wilcox popular in Berkeley.
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it became clear that what at first appeared to be an appropriate if uninspired hire, was in fact a mismatch of need and talent. Mark Fox is a very capable basketball coach. He earns the respect of his players and is an effective teacher and game planner. To anyone who has had a chance to spend time with him, he's hard not to like as his authenticity and character are obvious.
I appreciate the article but the beginning is a miss, guys. This reads like Mark Fox peer-reviewed your article.

Agreed. Fox is awful in all dimensions, and he is is a terrible cultural fit for Cal. He is also transparently dislikable, I would hate to be around him.
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Worst part is that he may be back next year.

Btw. This is great reporting and kudos for going to sources. Fantastic journalism
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sluggo said:

eastcoastcal said:

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Five short years ago, it appeared that Cal had hired a coach who would staunch the bleeding that occurred after the capricious and ignominious hiring of Wyking Jones by then Athletic Director, Mike Williams. While the decision to bring Mark Fox to Berkeley was not met with excitement from any corner, it appeared to be a safe hire. Fox's "success" at a basketball-impaired Georgia program and his resume from Nevada implied at the very least a reasonably high floor. He brought what appeared to be a cultural and personality fit with Cal. A cerebral and well-spoken head coach with high character, Fox shared many of the attributes that have made Justin Wilcox popular in Berkeley.
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it became clear that what at first appeared to be an appropriate if uninspired hire, was in fact a mismatch of need and talent. Mark Fox is a very capable basketball coach. He earns the respect of his players and is an effective teacher and game planner. To anyone who has had a chance to spend time with him, he's hard not to like as his authenticity and character are obvious.
I appreciate the article but the beginning is a miss, guys. This reads like Mark Fox peer-reviewed your article.

Agreed. Fox is awful in all dimensions, and he is is a terrible cultural fit for Cal. He is also transparently dislikable, I would hate to be around him.


Agreed. Just a really bad cultural fit. His need to control and inability to deal with smart players like Sueing, Bradley and Kelly belies his own insecurity and lack of intelligence or answers.

His poor recruiting is not just not attending AAU events and lack of connecting with West Coast programs, though obviously that is huge, it is his reputation and personality. People don't want to play for him or send kids they care about to play for him.

Have you ever heard him say something enlightening about basketball in an interview? Any cogent analysis? Even defensive strategy? It is always just about effort on defense. That is his calling card. Pushing kids, and not in a positive way, to play "harder" on defense. If the other team plays smart basketball his answer is we didn't play hard enough.
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I appreciated the criticism about him refusing to make any changes in his staff. I think he decided he was going to sink or swim on his terms. So be it.
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I appreciated the criticism about him refusing to make any changes in his staff. I think he decided he was going to sink or swim on his terms. So be it.


Do you think he listens to his players or his assistants? He runs the program "the right way" (his way). He does not abide with anyone (including reporters) challenging him, questioning his judgement. He has been a head coach for decades, who are the coaches from his coaching tree? Changing his assistants is like changing the wait staff on the Titanic.
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Great article!

"A cerebral and well-spoken head coach…." ….except for the ugly win/ugly girl friend analogy he used after one of his few wins his first year.

"….he was unable to hold on to…..promising big man, Conner Vanover…."

Sadly, CV's career stats of 8 PTS and 4 TRB does meet the definition of "promising" for a 7'5 Cal Big Man.
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calumnus said:

Big C said:


I appreciated the criticism about him refusing to make any changes in his staff. I think he decided he was going to sink or swim on his terms. So be it.


Do you think he listens to his players or his assistants? He runs the program "the right way" (his way). He does not abide with anyone (including reporters) challenging him, questioning his judgement. He has been a head coach for decades, who are the coaches from his coaching tree? Changing his assistants is like changing the wait staff on the Titanic.

Right, I mean, Fox replacing "Assistant W" a year or two ago with whomever else he could get wasn't going to save his program, but it speaks to his inflexibility and lack of 100% commitment to winning.

At this point, it's just a complete system failure.
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calumnus said:

Have you ever heard him say something enlightening about basketball in an interview? Any cogent analysis? Even defensive strategy? It is always just about effort on defense. That is his calling card. Pushing kids, and not in a positive way, to play "harder" on defense. If the other team plays smart basketball his answer is we didn't play hard enough.
He did mention that Stanford's second-game strategy of switching on screens was effective against us. But I don't remember a word about our strategy. Or our recruiting. Just our injuries.
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bearister said:

Great article!

"A cerebral and well-spoken head coach…." ….except for the ugly win/ugly girl friend analogy he used after one of his few wins his first year.

"….he was unable to hold on to…..promising big man, Conner Vanover…."

Sadly, CV's career stats of 8 PTS and 4 TRB does meet the definition of "promising" for a 7'5 Cal Big Man.
We will agree to disagree on Vanover.

In general, I believe fans woefully underate the impact of a good big man. Max Zhang, Jamal Sampson, the list goes on and on of defensive-minded big men who were hugely impactful for the Bears. Just as a shot blocker alone, Vanover changes games.

His career stats are also far more reflective of Musselman deciding to play a fast-paced tempo with smaller players at Arkansas than an indictment on Vanover. He's having a very good year this season for a solid Oral Roberts team. He'd be a starter and IMO a difference-maker for Cal. Vanover has started 74 games between Cal, Arkansas, and now Oral Roberts. His teams have won well over 2/3 of those games.
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FWIW I agree.
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https://www.si.com/college/cal/basketball/cal-net-rankings
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BearGreg said:

bearister said:

Great article!

"A cerebral and well-spoken head coach…." ….except for the ugly win/ugly girl friend analogy he used after one of his few wins his first year.

"….he was unable to hold on to…..promising big man, Conner Vanover…."

Sadly, CV's career stats of 8 PTS and 4 TRB does meet the definition of "promising" for a 7'5 Cal Big Man.
We will agree to disagree on Vanover.

In general, I believe fans woefully underate the impact of a good big man. Max Zhang, Jamal Sampson, the list goes on and on of defensive-minded big men who were hugely impactful for the Bears. Just as a shot blocker alone, Vanover changes games.

His career stats are also far more reflective of Musselman deciding to play a fast-paced tempo with smaller players at Arkansas than an indictment on Vanover. He's having a very good year this season for a solid Oral Roberts team. He'd be a starter and IMO a difference-maker for Cal. Vanover has started 74 games between Cal, Arkansas, and now Oral Roberts. His teams have won well over 2/3 of those games.


I have posted WS/40 numbers here before. The metric estimates the number of wins the player would contribute playing 40 minutes against an average opponent. .100 is the average for an individual player. Five average players total .500 and would win half their games against average opponents on average.

Current WS/40
1. Vanover .232
2. Kelly .149
3. Sueing .128
4. Bradley .146
5. Brown .018

The total is .673 meaning that team would be expected to win 67% of its games and currently would be about 14-7 (7-3) playing an average schedule (ours has been a mix, a lot of very weak opponents and a few fairly strong opponents but stronger than average overall) and finish something like 21-11. Suffice to say, we would be in the second tier of the PAC-12, not better than UCLA or Arizona, but competing with the Utah's, USCs and Oregon's. A place Cal basketball is very familiar with. A likely lower seed to the Tournament.

Obviously, they could not all play 40 and would need reserves, but maybe a different coach finds someone better than Brown. Aiden Mahaney is a .203 at St. Mary's so if we had landed him that would boost us to .858 and we would be competing with UCLA and Arizona for the PAC-12 Championship. Mike Montgomery coaches that 5 to the Final 4, and I am serious.

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Can someone start negotiating with Pasternack now?
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stu said:

calumnus said:

Have you ever heard him say something enlightening about basketball in an interview? Any cogent analysis? Even defensive strategy? It is always just about effort on defense. That is his calling card. Pushing kids, and not in a positive way, to play "harder" on defense. If the other team plays smart basketball his answer is we didn't play hard enough.
He did mention that Stanford's second-game strategy of switching on screens was effective against us. But I don't remember a word about our strategy. Or our recruiting. Just our injuries.


Yes. First time I remember him saying something perceptive about strategy. But I think the reason that switching strategy worked so well was that it didn't matter who was guarding whom. Everyone on Stanford was effective guarding everyone on Cal. That's the sad part.
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Losing Bradley an Kelly was addition by subtraction? Did he really tell people that? Gracious.
And as for likable, I don't know the man. Maybe he's a great guy. But he didn't seem that way in the video of his first talk with the players. At least not likable to them.
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89Bear said:

Can someone start negotiating with Pasternack now?
Pasternak has UCSB all alone in first place in the Big West with a really well constructed roster of skill, size and athleticism. He looks like a dweeb, but I like him (I mean compared to Fox). I still prefer the upside in Shantay, but I think Pasternak could really jump start the program with his connections right away. Maybe he would bring a couple of skilled UCSB guards with him.
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JimSox said:

Losing Bradley an Kelly was addition by subtraction? Did he really tell people that? Gracious.
And as for likable, I don't know the man. Maybe he's a great guy. But he didn't seem that way in the video of his first talk with the players. At least not likable to them.


He even alluded to it to the press before the season, said he finally had a "cooperative" (compliant) group. It was clear who he was referring to. Fox really doesn't like players with opinions, who know something about basketball which is why I keep saying he is such a horrible fit for Cal and Berkeley. It is also why we have a team full of guys who are new to the game, have little court sense and do not seem to play smart basketball.
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Congratulations to Bear Insider for a balanced, thoughtful, and insightful article. You did an excellent job of dissecting the Mark Fox era and made sound recommendations for the future.
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KoreAmBear said:

89Bear said:

Can someone start negotiating with Pasternack now?
Pasternak has UCSB all alone in first place in the Big West with a really well constructed roster of skill, size and athleticism. He looks like a dweeb, but I like him (I mean compared to Fox). I still prefer the upside in Shantay, but I think Pasternak could really jump start the program with his connections right away. Maybe he would bring a couple of skilled UCSB guards with him.
If the donors are happy and motivated by Pasternak then I'm all in.
NIL, housing help, smaller scale practice facility...
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JimSox said:

stu said:

calumnus said:

Have you ever heard him say something enlightening about basketball in an interview? Any cogent analysis? Even defensive strategy? It is always just aboexeut effort on defense. That is his calling card. Pushing kids, and not in a positive way, to play "harder" on defense. If the other team plays smart basketball his answer is we didn't play hard enough.
He did mention that Stanford's second-game strategy of switching on screens was effective against us. But I don't remember a word about our strategy. Or our recruiting. Just our injuries.


Yes. First time I remember him saying something perceptive about strategy. But I think the reason that switching strategy worked so well was that it didn't matter who was guarding whom. Everyone on Stanford was effective guarding everyone on Cal. That's the sad part.
I could buy Fox's excuse if this was an early season game, but Cal had played 20 games this season before Stanfurd, the majority of them against teams who play man-to-man and do at least some switching. A good coach with a well-coached team would have called an early time-out, pointed out Stanfurd's switching strategy and reminded the team of how to take advantage of this. Apparently at least one of three things happened:
  • Fox didn't try to make the in-game change to the offense
  • The team didn't execute the offense correctly
  • Cal's offensive scheme against a switching man-to-man was just ineffective

So, instead of blaming injuries, this time Fox attributes the loss to clever coaching by his opponent, a guy who has been a consistent underachiever at Stanfurd.
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He is a dead man walking. He knows it. That is why he is mailing it in and it SUCKS.
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socaltownie said:

He is a dead man walking. He knows it. That is why he is mailing it in and it SUCKS.


He is mailing it in because he wants the $millions. He is a well known screamer/hot head and he is mad at everyone but himself. He does not know how to fix it, but he thinks that if he "cared" he'd blow up at a press conference, shove some players or do something that would be a material breech of his contract allowing him to be fired for cause instead of just getting through this repeating "injuries" and "our defense isn't good" with his face in his hands and and then collecting $5 million or something from Knowlton a few months from now.

That is why Knowlton should do everyone (Fox, the fans, the press, himself, the assistants and especially the players) a favor and fire Fox now and make Francis the interim.

Prolonging this is torture for everyone and is just more evidence of Knowlton's gross incompetence.
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mdbear said:

Congratulations to Bear Insider for a balanced, thoughtful, and insightful article. You did an excellent job of dissecting the Mark Fox era and made sound recommendations for the future.
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JimSox said:

mdbear said:

Congratulations to Bear Insider for a balanced, thoughtful, and insightful article. You did an excellent job of dissecting the Mark Fox era and made sound recommendations for the future.
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Agree. I didn't object to the mildly positive qualifying comments about Fox. I seem to be in the minority, but I don't hate the man. I see somebody who has climbed to a fairly high position in his profession, but is now in a situation where he is failing. That can be really difficult for a person, especially when there is the realization -- perhaps deep inside -- that it is largely one's own doing. Magnified by it being a failure that is in the public eye (sort of). Obviously, he has not handled the frustration well this year, which is unfortunate for all concerned.

I'm anxious to move on.
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Big C said:

JimSox said:

mdbear said:

Congratulations to Bear Insider for a balanced, thoughtful, and insightful article. You did an excellent job of dissecting the Mark Fox era and made sound recommendations for the future.
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Agree. I didn't object to the mildly positive qualifying comments about Fox. I seem to be in the minority, but I don't hate the man. I see somebody who has climbed to a fairly high position in his profession, but is now in a situation where he is failing. That can be really difficult for a person, especially when there is the realization -- perhaps deep inside -- that it is largely one's own doing. Magnified by it being a failure that is in the public eye (sort of). Obviously, he has not handled the frustration well this year, which is unfortunate for all concerned.

I'm anxious to move on.


Mark Fox handling frustration well at Georgia:


Mark Fox chewing out the Georgia student section for chanting "Bruce Pearl sucks"
https://thespun.com/.amp/sec/auburn-tigers/georgia-coach-mark-fox-yelled-at-his-student-section-for-chanting-bruce-pearl-sucks

Didn't he chew out our students over something?

From an article on his firing at Georgia:

"Fox's teams haven't tended to be exciting or much good at all on offense. They're inefficient at scoring, and they take long, plodding possessions. But Fox has consistently coached great defense throughout his career, and that should help him land another gig sometime."
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calumnus said:

Big C said:

JimSox said:

mdbear said:

Congratulations to Bear Insider for a balanced, thoughtful, and insightful article. You did an excellent job of dissecting the Mark Fox era and made sound recommendations for the future.
+1

Agree. I didn't object to the mildly positive qualifying comments about Fox. I seem to be in the minority, but I don't hate the man. I see somebody who has climbed to a fairly high position in his profession, but is now in a situation where he is failing. That can be really difficult for a person, especially when there is the realization -- perhaps deep inside -- that it is largely one's own doing. Magnified by it being a failure that is in the public eye (sort of). Obviously, he has not handled the frustration well this year, which is unfortunate for all concerned.

I'm anxious to move on.


Mark Fox handling frustration well at Georgia:


Mark Fox chewing out the Georgia student section for chanting "Bruce Pearl sucks"
https://thespun.com/.amp/sec/auburn-tigers/georgia-coach-mark-fox-yelled-at-his-student-section-for-chanting-bruce-pearl-sucks

From an article on his firing at Georgia:

"Fox's teams haven't tended to be exciting or much good at all on offense. They're inefficient at scoring, and they take long, plodding possessions. But Fox has consistently coached great defense throughout his career, and that should help him land another gig sometime."
He's been teaching plodding offense for decades. How can you work so long at the same job and not evolve at all? I know, because ADs like Knowlton let them.
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KoreAmBear said:

calumnus said:

Big C said:

JimSox said:

mdbear said:

Congratulations to Bear Insider for a balanced, thoughtful, and insightful article. You did an excellent job of dissecting the Mark Fox era and made sound recommendations for the future.
+1

Agree. I didn't object to the mildly positive qualifying comments about Fox. I seem to be in the minority, but I don't hate the man. I see somebody who has climbed to a fairly high position in his profession, but is now in a situation where he is failing. That can be really difficult for a person, especially when there is the realization -- perhaps deep inside -- that it is largely one's own doing. Magnified by it being a failure that is in the public eye (sort of). Obviously, he has not handled the frustration well this year, which is unfortunate for all concerned.

I'm anxious to move on.


Mark Fox handling frustration well at Georgia:


Mark Fox chewing out the Georgia student section for chanting "Bruce Pearl sucks"
https://thespun.com/.amp/sec/auburn-tigers/georgia-coach-mark-fox-yelled-at-his-student-section-for-chanting-bruce-pearl-sucks

From an article on his firing at Georgia:

"Fox's teams haven't tended to be exciting or much good at all on offense. They're inefficient at scoring, and they take long, plodding possessions. But Fox has consistently coached great defense throughout his career, and that should help him land another gig sometime."
He's been teaching plodding offense for decades. How can you work so long at the same job and not evolve at all? I know, because ADs like Knowlton let them.


What the quote misses is his reputation on defense is largely based on points per game, which are greatly reduced by his plodding offense and slow pace. That and his pushing the players to "work harder" on defense and his constant reference to defense in his interviews.

However, his teams are rarely efficient on defense. As much as he has built this team to his prototype with lots of low skill guys with length and athleticism our defensive efficiency in Ken Pom is only #234 which is not much better than our #266 offensive efficiency. Our tempo is #356 (out of 363), which is his calling card. But it is a mirage to call a team "good" on defense just because they force low scoring games through fewer possessions by plodding on offense.
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Big C said:

JimSox said:

mdbear said:

Congratulations to Bear Insider for a balanced, thoughtful, and insightful article. You did an excellent job of dissecting the Mark Fox era and made sound recommendations for the future.
+1

Agree. I didn't object to the mildly positive qualifying comments about Fox. I seem to be in the minority, but I don't hate the man. I see somebody who has climbed to a fairly high position in his profession, but is now in a situation where he is failing. That can be really difficult for a person, especially when there is the realization -- perhaps deep inside -- that it is largely one's own doing. Magnified by it being a failure that is in the public eye (sort of). Obviously, he has not handled the frustration well this year, which is unfortunate for all concerned.

I'm anxious to move on.
I don't think you are in the minority Big C. I think your characterization of Fox is pretty spot on. FWIW, I learned a long time ago - try not to hate anyone I haven't interacted with on an individual level.
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BeachedBear said:

Big C said:

JimSox said:

mdbear said:

Congratulations to Bear Insider for a balanced, thoughtful, and insightful article. You did an excellent job of dissecting the Mark Fox era and made sound recommendations for the future.
+1

Agree. I didn't object to the mildly positive qualifying comments about Fox. I seem to be in the minority, but I don't hate the man. I see somebody who has climbed to a fairly high position in his profession, but is now in a situation where he is failing. That can be really difficult for a person, especially when there is the realization -- perhaps deep inside -- that it is largely one's own doing. Magnified by it being a failure that is in the public eye (sort of). Obviously, he has not handled the frustration well this year, which is unfortunate for all concerned.

I'm anxious to move on.
I don't think you are in the minority Big C. I think your characterization of Fox is pretty spot on. FWIW, I learned a long time ago - try not to hate anyone I haven't interacted with on an individual level.
I don't hate Fox. He's probably a decent guy and I'm sure he works hard. The problem is that the game passed him by several years ago when he was still at Georgia. It's time for him to move on. I think almost everyone knows that except for a moronic AD who thinks Fox is a genius.
Fire Knowlton!
Fire Fox!
Put Wilcox in a hot seat!
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Was thinking about Eric McDonough's tweet that Coach Lou (RIP) had brought Cal out of 25 years of being in the wilderness

I would say We're back and deeper in the wilderness than when Coach Lou was here. Time for a change in both the AD and the Men's BB coach that got us back to this point
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gooski said:


Was thinking about Eric McDonough's tweet that Coach Lou (RIP) had brought Cal out of 25 years of being in the wilderness

I would say We're back and deeper in the wilderness than when Coach Lou was here. Time for a change in both the AD and the Men's BB coach that got us back to this point


Agreed
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89Bear said:

KoreAmBear said:

89Bear said:

Can someone start negotiating with Pasternack now?
Pasternak has UCSB all alone in first place in the Big West with a really well constructed roster of skill, size and athleticism. He looks like a dweeb, but I like him (I mean compared to Fox). I still prefer the upside in Shantay, but I think Pasternak could really jump start the program with his connections right away. Maybe he would bring a couple of skilled UCSB guards with him.
If the donors are happy and motivated by Pasternak then I'm all in.
NIL, housing help, smaller scale practice facility...
Listening to donors is how you end up with Wilcox's 2022 contract extension. We need a smart person who knows college sports making these decisions, not donors.
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Ursine said:

89Bear said:

KoreAmBear said:

89Bear said:

Can someone start negotiating with Pasternack now?
Pasternak has UCSB all alone in first place in the Big West with a really well constructed roster of skill, size and athleticism. He looks like a dweeb, but I like him (I mean compared to Fox). I still prefer the upside in Shantay, but I think Pasternak could really jump start the program with his connections right away. Maybe he would bring a couple of skilled UCSB guards with him.
If the donors are happy and motivated by Pasternak then I'm all in.
NIL, housing help, smaller scale practice facility...
Listening to donors is how you end up with Wilcox's 2022 contract extension. We need a smart person who knows college sports making these decisions, not donors.


A person or persons who know college sports and can see the direction it is headed (so maybe have some professional experience, maybe at a developmental league). However, you bring up a good point, hiring the guy some wealthy donors have "affinity" with, while not as bad as hiring the guy Knowlton has affinity with, may not produce the best candidate, maybe even a very bad candidate. While the new world of NIL needs big donor support, and that would be a HUGE plus, we also would want the candidate to be vetted by people who know basketball. Hopefully the donors will contribute to support a really good coach as well.
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