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Cal Men's Basketball Program - Looking back in order to look forward

January 29, 2023
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Despite the historical levels of losing over the past four seasons, the team continued to play hard.  Unsurprisingly, the emotional resilience of the Bears has reached its limit.  After a near 30-point loss to Stanford last night, Cal has now lost three games in a row by more than twenty points, including embarrassing performances vs. two of the Pac-12’s worst teams in Oregon State and Stanford.

Five short years ago, it appeared that Cal had hired a coach who would staunch the bleeding that occurred after the capricious and ignominious hiring of Wyking Jones by then Athletic Director, Mike Williams.   While the decision to bring Mark Fox to Berkeley was not met with excitement from any corner, it appeared to be a safe hire.   Fox’s “success” at a basketball-impaired Georgia program and his resume from Nevada implied at the very least a reasonably high floor.   He brought what appeared to be a cultural and personality fit with Cal.  A cerebral and well-spoken head coach with high character, Fox shared many of the attributes that have made Justin Wilcox popular in Berkeley.

Yet, almost immediately, Mark Fox struggled.   And it became clear that what at first appeared to be an appropriate if uninspired hire, was in fact a mismatch of need and talent.   Mark Fox is a very capable basketball coach.  He earns the respect of his players and is an effective teacher and game planner.  To anyone who has had a chance to spend time with him, he’s hard not to like as his authenticity and character are obvious.   

The mismatch is simply that Cal, coming off two disastrous seasons under Coach Jones, needed an injection of energy, and excitement to go along with the rebuilding of a roster whose talent level had fallen off sharply following Cuonzo Martin’s decision to move on to Missouri.   Fox is not a lively personality, his relationship with the press can best be described as distrustful and distant and he’d rather have a roster built around harmonious humility rather than the type of dynamic talent that is essential to winning basketball games.  

While he didn’t have much of a window to re-recruit the returning talent he inherited on the roster, he was unable to hold on to leading scorer Justice Sueing and promising big man, Conner Vanover, both of whom transferred out to more promising situations.  Despairingly, his first recruiting class proved to be bereft of Pac-12-level starting talent.   A trend that didn’t change until the class of 2022.    And to add serious injury to the insult of Fox’s recruiting ineptitude, he not only failed to retain but to varying degrees pushed out the two most productive players of his tenure - Matt Bradley and Andre Kelly.  The idea that Fox put out discreetly to donors, was that these would be additions by subtraction.   Instead, it proved to be subtraction by subtraction.

Based on numerous conversations with AAU and high school coaches, opposing assistants, and long-time recruiting pundits, the picture of Coach Fox and his staff’s approach to attracting new talent became clear.  They strongly preferred not to cast a wide net, eschewing the relentless and nearly ubiquitous approach of attending every recruiting event in order to be seen and build the Bears’ brand, choosing instead to focus on a small handful of players they believed could help them AND that they believed they could land.  They relied on their belief that they could scout well enough to find hidden gems who would relish the opportunity to get a Cal degree and play at the Pac-12 level.  It’s not a huge leap to assume they were insecure about their ability to outsell other programs for players who were coveted.   The children of former Cal stars who had grown up fans of the program were ignored, seemingly because they would be highly sought-after players.  The comments that were consistently used to describe Fox and his staff on the recruiting trail from leading local and West Coast AAU and HS programs were, “We see the Cal staff far less than any other P12 program.” “They’re simply not very visible on the recruiting trail,” and, “My kid (almost always a future P12 player)  is interested in Cal but we haven’t heard from them”.

The scouting prowess Fox seemingly wanted to rely on proved to be illusory.  Not only did it lead to the creation of what is arguably the most talent-deficient roster among Power 5 programs nationally, but it also had glaring misses.  None more pointed than local star Aidan Mahaney, who as a true freshman is the best player on an always solid St. Marys team.  Creating energy for a program starts with recruiting and finding local talent would have been an instant win and provide a reason to attend games for an increasingly disinterested Bears fan base.  According to multiple sources, despite growing up in Cal’s backyard, Fox slow-played Mahaney as he was unsure he was a Pac-12-level player.  Only when Fox missed on two other combo guards he coveted more highly than Mahaney did he turn his attention to the Campolindo star. It was too little, too late as Mahaney felt far more comfortable with Randy Bennet who had made him a priority going back to his sophomore year in high school.  One source close to Mahaney shared that had Fox gone all in on Mahaney just 6 months earlier, the Gaels' leading scorer would now be in Berkeley.  And lest folks get confused about the “inherent” challenges of recruiting quality basketball players to Cal, a re-read of this data will be enlightening.

Despite the historical level of losing, to our knowledge, Fox hasn’t changed a single thing about his approach.  Zero turnover on a staff that has failed to recruit successfully or produce wins on the court sent the message to fans and donors, that he would rather fail epically on his terms than adjust or modify his approach.  As for the press, Fox has never allowed his assistants to be interviewed and limited access to his players to a degree that if not unprecedented in college basketball is close to it.  He was so overly controlling or paranoid or both that he would not even allow Cal’s own radio personalities to attend practice or talk with players.  

And the idea that Fox has somehow dealt with an unprecedented level of injuries during this 2022-23 season is misleading at best and unfortunate propaganda at worst.  Ask any coach in America whether he’d love to have a team with three 5th year returning starters who rarely if ever miss a game and the answer you’ll get back is, “Hell Yes!.”  Fox has had Brown, Kuany, and Lars (all of whom he recruited and developed) available for 95%+ of this season.   The notion that DeJuan Clayton’s lack of availability earlier this season had a material impact has been shattered by his 29% FG shooting since returning seven games ago.  Jarred Hyder’s clearly shown over three years he’s not a Pac-12 level guard with his career 26% 3pt FG% and 1:1 assist-to-turnover ratio.  And though Celestine’s injury was unfortunate, it’s far from surprising given his health history even prior to coming to Berkeley.   And it’s not as if other college basketball programs haven’t faced injury challenges, it’s an issue for the vast majority of programs.   Summarily, it would take a very creative imagination to believe that even with Clayton, Askew, Hyder, and Celestine available that Cal would have been anything more than a .500 overall team finishing in the bottom third of the Pac-12.   Far easier to objectively evaluate a fully-healthy Cal roster as no better than the 11th best in the Pac-12.  

As the Fox era winds down, it’s time to look forward.   Cal needs a coach who can be a change agent.  Who can galvanize donor and fan support to build the long-needed practice facility and bring Haas Pavilion back to its historical levels of attendance.  It requires a dynamic personality who will inspire hope and someone who will make the recruitment and retention of talent their top priority.    Someone who can see the Bears program as a glass that is half full.  Emphasizing the location, P5 conference, historical success, and academic prowess rather than lamenting the less-than-ideal (though improving) admissions situation and the lack of a practice facility.  Moreover, they need to take a page from Justin Wilcox’s playbook to systemically improve and increase the quality of financial and administrative support of the program from the University.

Cal has to make Men’s Basketball a priority and reach into its potential for revenue generation which though modest is important and its impact on the broader health of the overall athletic program.   Basketball is a gateway for students to bond with the school for the long term, and a hugely important connection point to alumni and significant donors.   While the Chancellor and Athletic Director play a critical role in aligning with this mission, it’s the new head coach and the head coach alone that can catalyze the necessary changes.

As we move on from the Fox era and look forward to rebuilding the Men’s Basketball Program at Cal, the opportunity and challenge starts and ends with finding the right head coach.  

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Cal Men's Basketball Program - Looking back in order to look forward

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Big C
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calumnus said:

Ursine said:

89Bear said:

KoreAmBear said:

89Bear said:

Can someone start negotiating with Pasternack now?
Pasternak has UCSB all alone in first place in the Big West with a really well constructed roster of skill, size and athleticism. He looks like a dweeb, but I like him (I mean compared to Fox). I still prefer the upside in Shantay, but I think Pasternak could really jump start the program with his connections right away. Maybe he would bring a couple of skilled UCSB guards with him.
If the donors are happy and motivated by Pasternak then I'm all in.
NIL, housing help, smaller scale practice facility...
Listening to donors is how you end up with Wilcox's 2022 contract extension. We need a smart person who knows college sports making these decisions, not donors.


A person or persons who know college sports and can see the direction it is headed (so maybe have some professional experience, maybe at a developmental league). However, you bring up a good point, hiring the guy some wealthy donors have "affinity" with, while not as bad as hiring the guy Knowlton has affinity with, may not produce the best candidate, maybe even a very bad candidate. While the new world of NIL needs big donor support, and that would be a HUGE plus, we also would want the candidate to be vetted by people who know basketball. Hopefully the donors will contribute to support a really good coach as well.

Pasternack was never even close to being on my short list until he became the HC at UCSB and demonstrated success there.
calumnus
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Big C said:

calumnus said:

Ursine said:

89Bear said:

KoreAmBear said:

89Bear said:

Can someone start negotiating with Pasternack now?
Pasternak has UCSB all alone in first place in the Big West with a really well constructed roster of skill, size and athleticism. He looks like a dweeb, but I like him (I mean compared to Fox). I still prefer the upside in Shantay, but I think Pasternak could really jump start the program with his connections right away. Maybe he would bring a couple of skilled UCSB guards with him.
If the donors are happy and motivated by Pasternak then I'm all in.
NIL, housing help, smaller scale practice facility...
Listening to donors is how you end up with Wilcox's 2022 contract extension. We need a smart person who knows college sports making these decisions, not donors.


A person or persons who know college sports and can see the direction it is headed (so maybe have some professional experience, maybe at a developmental league). However, you bring up a good point, hiring the guy some wealthy donors have "affinity" with, while not as bad as hiring the guy Knowlton has affinity with, may not produce the best candidate, maybe even a very bad candidate. While the new world of NIL needs big donor support, and that would be a HUGE plus, we also would want the candidate to be vetted by people who know basketball. Hopefully the donors will contribute to support a really good coach as well.

Pasternack was never even close to being on my short list until he became the HC at UCSB and demonstrated success there.


Yeah, plus he has had some good offenses there which would be nice and shows that he can coach some. I do think the selling point for me is the connection with donors and being able to leverage that for NIL to land good players. Hiwever, he is In first year of a new 5 year contract, making about $500k per year, so it could cost as much as $2 million to buy out his contract.
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calumnus said:

Big C said:

calumnus said:

Ursine said:

89Bear said:

KoreAmBear said:

89Bear said:

Can someone start negotiating with Pasternack now?
Pasternak has UCSB all alone in first place in the Big West with a really well constructed roster of skill, size and athleticism. He looks like a dweeb, but I like him (I mean compared to Fox). I still prefer the upside in Shantay, but I think Pasternak could really jump start the program with his connections right away. Maybe he would bring a couple of skilled UCSB guards with him.
If the donors are happy and motivated by Pasternak then I'm all in.
NIL, housing help, smaller scale practice facility...
Listening to donors is how you end up with Wilcox's 2022 contract extension. We need a smart person who knows college sports making these decisions, not donors.


A person or persons who know college sports and can see the direction it is headed (so maybe have some professional experience, maybe at a developmental league). However, you bring up a good point, hiring the guy some wealthy donors have "affinity" with, while not as bad as hiring the guy Knowlton has affinity with, may not produce the best candidate, maybe even a very bad candidate. While the new world of NIL needs big donor support, and that would be a HUGE plus, we also would want the candidate to be vetted by people who know basketball. Hopefully the donors will contribute to support a really good coach as well.

Pasternack was never even close to being on my short list until he became the HC at UCSB and demonstrated success there.


Yeah, plus he has had some good offenses there which would be nice and shows that he can coach some. I do think the selling point for me is the connection with donors and being able to leverage that for NIL to land good players. Hiwever, he is In first year of a new 5 year contract, making about $500k per year, so it could cost as much as $2 million to buy out his contract.
I couldn't find his current contract but his old contract's buyout terms weren't too bad at all.

86. Joe Pasternack UC Santa Barbara
Total Compensation: $370,001
Additional Compensation: Up to $50,700 for participating in camp or clinic, plus coach is permitted to allocate net proceeds from camp as he sees fit
Notes: $370,001 in salary
Max Bonus: $220,000
Buyout if Fired Without Cause: 100% of the remaining $1,149,306 in annual salary (includes 2019-20 compensation)
Buyout if Coach Terminates Contract: If coach terminates contract to accept job at Power Five school: $300,000 if prior to April 5, 2020; $200,000 if on/after April 5, 2020 and prior to April 5, 2021; if coach terminates contract to accept a job at a non-Power Five school, amounts of 50% those listed above
Contract Term Ends: April 5, 2022


calumnus
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philbert said:

calumnus said:

Big C said:

calumnus said:

Ursine said:

89Bear said:

KoreAmBear said:

89Bear said:

Can someone start negotiating with Pasternack now?
Pasternak has UCSB all alone in first place in the Big West with a really well constructed roster of skill, size and athleticism. He looks like a dweeb, but I like him (I mean compared to Fox). I still prefer the upside in Shantay, but I think Pasternak could really jump start the program with his connections right away. Maybe he would bring a couple of skilled UCSB guards with him.
If the donors are happy and motivated by Pasternak then I'm all in.
NIL, housing help, smaller scale practice facility...
Listening to donors is how you end up with Wilcox's 2022 contract extension. We need a smart person who knows college sports making these decisions, not donors.


A person or persons who know college sports and can see the direction it is headed (so maybe have some professional experience, maybe at a developmental league). However, you bring up a good point, hiring the guy some wealthy donors have "affinity" with, while not as bad as hiring the guy Knowlton has affinity with, may not produce the best candidate, maybe even a very bad candidate. While the new world of NIL needs big donor support, and that would be a HUGE plus, we also would want the candidate to be vetted by people who know basketball. Hopefully the donors will contribute to support a really good coach as well.

Pasternack was never even close to being on my short list until he became the HC at UCSB and demonstrated success there.


Yeah, plus he has had some good offenses there which would be nice and shows that he can coach some. I do think the selling point for me is the connection with donors and being able to leverage that for NIL to land good players. Hiwever, he is In first year of a new 5 year contract, making about $500k per year, so it could cost as much as $2 million to buy out his contract.
I couldn't find his current contract but his old contract's buyout terms weren't too bad at all.

86. Joe Pasternack UC Santa Barbara
Total Compensation: $370,001
Additional Compensation: Up to $50,700 for participating in camp or clinic, plus coach is permitted to allocate net proceeds from camp as he sees fit
Notes: $370,001 in salary
Max Bonus: $220,000
Buyout if Fired Without Cause: 100% of the remaining $1,149,306 in annual salary (includes 2019-20 compensation)
Buyout if Coach Terminates Contract: If coach terminates contract to accept job at Power Five school: $300,000 if prior to April 5, 2020; $200,000 if on/after April 5, 2020 and prior to April 5, 2021; if coach terminates contract to accept a job at a non-Power Five school, amounts of 50% those listed above
Contract Term Ends: April 5, 2022




So maybe only $500,000 or so?
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Mice Nuts

Where's the bait? Need to Arm the trap.
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Ursine said:

89Bear said:

KoreAmBear said:

89Bear said:

Can someone start negotiating with Pasternack now?
Pasternak has UCSB all alone in first place in the Big West with a really well constructed roster of skill, size and athleticism. He looks like a dweeb, but I like him (I mean compared to Fox). I still prefer the upside in Shantay, but I think Pasternak could really jump start the program with his connections right away. Maybe he would bring a couple of skilled UCSB guards with him.
If the donors are happy and motivated by Pasternak then I'm all in.
NIL, housing help, smaller scale practice facility...
Listening to donors is how you end up with Wilcox's 2022 contract extension. We need a smart person who knows college sports making these decisions, not donors.
What you really need is a smart person who knows he needs the donors but is able to get their buy-in to what he wants to do by working with them well before the time he needs that buy-in. Which means a lot of preparation, building relationships, and earning trust. What are the odds any of that has really happened here?
calumnus
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bluesaxe said:

Ursine said:

89Bear said:

KoreAmBear said:

89Bear said:

Can someone start negotiating with Pasternack now?
Pasternak has UCSB all alone in first place in the Big West with a really well constructed roster of skill, size and athleticism. He looks like a dweeb, but I like him (I mean compared to Fox). I still prefer the upside in Shantay, but I think Pasternak could really jump start the program with his connections right away. Maybe he would bring a couple of skilled UCSB guards with him.
If the donors are happy and motivated by Pasternak then I'm all in.
NIL, housing help, smaller scale practice facility...
Listening to donors is how you end up with Wilcox's 2022 contract extension. We need a smart person who knows college sports making these decisions, not donors.
What you really need is a smart person who knows he needs the donors but is able to get their buy-in to what he wants to do by working with them well before the time he needs that buy-in. Which means a lot of preparation, building relationships, and earning trust. What are the odds any of that has really happened here?


Did it really happen with the six year extension for Wilcox? I kind of think it was just Knowlton, because if it was more you would think wiser heads would prevail and someone smart would have told him it was not necessary and would only tie Cal's hands if 2022 (and 2023 and 2024) turned out to be another losing season.
Ursine
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bluesaxe said:

Ursine said:

89Bear said:

KoreAmBear said:

89Bear said:

Can someone start negotiating with Pasternack now?
Pasternak has UCSB all alone in first place in the Big West with a really well constructed roster of skill, size and athleticism. He looks like a dweeb, but I like him (I mean compared to Fox). I still prefer the upside in Shantay, but I think Pasternak could really jump start the program with his connections right away. Maybe he would bring a couple of skilled UCSB guards with him.
If the donors are happy and motivated by Pasternak then I'm all in.
NIL, housing help, smaller scale practice facility...
Listening to donors is how you end up with Wilcox's 2022 contract extension. We need a smart person who knows college sports making these decisions, not donors.
What you really need is a smart person who knows he needs the donors but is able to get their buy-in to what he wants to do by working with them well before the time he needs that buy-in. Which means a lot of preparation, building relationships, and earning trust. What are the odds any of that has really happened here?
Well, things fell off around "smart person."
Big C
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calumnus said:

bluesaxe said:

Ursine said:

89Bear said:

KoreAmBear said:

89Bear said:

Can someone start negotiating with Pasternack now?
Pasternak has UCSB all alone in first place in the Big West with a really well constructed roster of skill, size and athleticism. He looks like a dweeb, but I like him (I mean compared to Fox). I still prefer the upside in Shantay, but I think Pasternak could really jump start the program with his connections right away. Maybe he would bring a couple of skilled UCSB guards with him.
If the donors are happy and motivated by Pasternak then I'm all in.
NIL, housing help, smaller scale practice facility...
Listening to donors is how you end up with Wilcox's 2022 contract extension. We need a smart person who knows college sports making these decisions, not donors.
What you really need is a smart person who knows he needs the donors but is able to get their buy-in to what he wants to do by working with them well before the time he needs that buy-in. Which means a lot of preparation, building relationships, and earning trust. What are the odds any of that has really happened here?


Did it really happen with the six year extension for Wilcox? I kind of think it was just Knowlton, because if it was more you would think wiser heads would prevail and someone smart would have told him it was not necessary and would only tie Cal's hands if 2022 (and 2023 and 2024) turned out to be another losing season.

A lot of folks got all warm-and-fuzzy when Wilcox supposedly "turned down Oregon... twice". Good sense went out the window for a time.
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Big C said:

calumnus said:

bluesaxe said:

Ursine said:

89Bear said:

KoreAmBear said:

89Bear said:

Can someone start negotiating with Pasternack now?
Pasternak has UCSB all alone in first place in the Big West with a really well constructed roster of skill, size and athleticism. He looks like a dweeb, but I like him (I mean compared to Fox). I still prefer the upside in Shantay, but I think Pasternak could really jump start the program with his connections right away. Maybe he would bring a couple of skilled UCSB guards with him.
If the donors are happy and motivated by Pasternak then I'm all in.
NIL, housing help, smaller scale practice facility...
Listening to donors is how you end up with Wilcox's 2022 contract extension. We need a smart person who knows college sports making these decisions, not donors.
What you really need is a smart person who knows he needs the donors but is able to get their buy-in to what he wants to do by working with them well before the time he needs that buy-in. Which means a lot of preparation, building relationships, and earning trust. What are the odds any of that has really happened here?
Did it really happen with the six year extension for Wilcox? I kind of think it was just Knowlton, because if it was more you would think wiser heads would prevail and someone smart would have told him it was not necessary and would only tie Cal's hands if 2022 (and 2023 and 2024) turned out to be another losing season.
A lot of folks got all warm-and-fuzzy when Wilcox supposedly "turned down Oregon... twice". Good sense went out the window for a time.
Last year sucked but Wilcox got a clue and brought back Spav, Fox has shown nothing over his career that he can win a single tournament game.
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Strykur said:

Big C said:

calumnus said:

bluesaxe said:

Ursine said:

89Bear said:

KoreAmBear said:

89Bear said:

Can someone start negotiating with Pasternack now?
Pasternak has UCSB all alone in first place in the Big West with a really well constructed roster of skill, size and athleticism. He looks like a dweeb, but I like him (I mean compared to Fox). I still prefer the upside in Shantay, but I think Pasternak could really jump start the program with his connections right away. Maybe he would bring a couple of skilled UCSB guards with him.
If the donors are happy and motivated by Pasternak then I'm all in.
NIL, housing help, smaller scale practice facility...
Listening to donors is how you end up with Wilcox's 2022 contract extension. We need a smart person who knows college sports making these decisions, not donors.
What you really need is a smart person who knows he needs the donors but is able to get their buy-in to what he wants to do by working with them well before the time he needs that buy-in. Which means a lot of preparation, building relationships, and earning trust. What are the odds any of that has really happened here?
Did it really happen with the six year extension for Wilcox? I kind of think it was just Knowlton, because if it was more you would think wiser heads would prevail and someone smart would have told him it was not necessary and would only tie Cal's hands if 2022 (and 2023 and 2024) turned out to be another losing season.
A lot of folks got all warm-and-fuzzy when Wilcox supposedly "turned down Oregon... twice". Good sense went out the window for a time.
Last year sucked but Wilcox got a clue and brought back Spav, Fox has shown nothing over his career that he can win a single tournament game.


Agreed, no comparison, Fox should have been fired, there is no chance with him.

Wilcox, I still have hope he can turn it around with Spavital as OC, but it is far from guaranteed and locking ourselves into 11 years of Wilcox after year 5 when he had a losing record was insanely bad management. After he turned down Oregon the proper response would have been "Great, now how do we help you win? I understand they didn't want Musgrave, don't you think you need someone better?"
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Big C said:

calumnus said:

bluesaxe said:

Ursine said:

89Bear said:

KoreAmBear said:

89Bear said:

Can someone start negotiating with Pasternack now?
Pasternak has UCSB all alone in first place in the Big West with a really well constructed roster of skill, size and athleticism. He looks like a dweeb, but I like him (I mean compared to Fox). I still prefer the upside in Shantay, but I think Pasternak could really jump start the program with his connections right away. Maybe he would bring a couple of skilled UCSB guards with him.
If the donors are happy and motivated by Pasternak then I'm all in.
NIL, housing help, smaller scale practice facility...
Listening to donors is how you end up with Wilcox's 2022 contract extension. We need a smart person who knows college sports making these decisions, not donors.
What you really need is a smart person who knows he needs the donors but is able to get their buy-in to what he wants to do by working with them well before the time he needs that buy-in. Which means a lot of preparation, building relationships, and earning trust. What are the odds any of that has really happened here?


Did it really happen with the six year extension for Wilcox? I kind of think it was just Knowlton, because if it was more you would think wiser heads would prevail and someone smart would have told him it was not necessary and would only tie Cal's hands if 2022 (and 2023 and 2024) turned out to be another losing season.

A lot of folks got all warm-and-fuzzy when Wilcox supposedly "turned down Oregon... twice". Good sense went out the window for a time.
I can't be the only person that was indifferent that Wilcox received an offer from Oregon? Yeah, he's a good guy, but if Uncle Phil was gonna pay him bank, I said at the time 'go for it'.

Extremely disappointed to learn that donors had their critical thinking skills clouded by the warm-fuzzies.
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Big Dog said:

Big C said:

calumnus said:

bluesaxe said:

Ursine said:

89Bear said:

KoreAmBear said:

89Bear said:

Can someone start negotiating with Pasternack now?
Pasternak has UCSB all alone in first place in the Big West with a really well constructed roster of skill, size and athleticism. He looks like a dweeb, but I like him (I mean compared to Fox). I still prefer the upside in Shantay, but I think Pasternak could really jump start the program with his connections right away. Maybe he would bring a couple of skilled UCSB guards with him.
If the donors are happy and motivated by Pasternak then I'm all in.
NIL, housing help, smaller scale practice facility...
Listening to donors is how you end up with Wilcox's 2022 contract extension. We need a smart person who knows college sports making these decisions, not donors.
What you really need is a smart person who knows he needs the donors but is able to get their buy-in to what he wants to do by working with them well before the time he needs that buy-in. Which means a lot of preparation, building relationships, and earning trust. What are the odds any of that has really happened here?


Did it really happen with the six year extension for Wilcox? I kind of think it was just Knowlton, because if it was more you would think wiser heads would prevail and someone smart would have told him it was not necessary and would only tie Cal's hands if 2022 (and 2023 and 2024) turned out to be another losing season.

A lot of folks got all warm-and-fuzzy when Wilcox supposedly "turned down Oregon... twice". Good sense went out the window for a time.
I can't be the only person that was indifferent that Wilcox received an offer from Oregon? Yeah, he's a good guy, but if Uncle Phil was gonna pay him bank, I said at the time 'go for it'.

Extremely disappointed to learn that donors had their critical thinking skills clouded by the warm-fuzzies.


There were a few of us that were at best indifferent, really hoping he would take the job so Oregon would pay us his buyout, and we could use the Nike money to bring in someone new, a proven HC, hopefully a little more charismatic and with a good mind for offense. As I said, the extension was crazy. We easily could have waited to see how he did in the then upcoming season (not well, it turned out).

Now, we really need him to succeed because we can't afford to move on if he continues to fail again. However, I am actually hopeful Spavital, with Jackson and Ott, will put up yards and points. Hopefully Wilcox and Sirmon get us back to playing good defense.
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Big Dog said:

Big C said:

calumnus said:

bluesaxe said:

Ursine said:

89Bear said:

KoreAmBear said:

89Bear said:

Can someone start negotiating with Pasternack now?
Pasternak has UCSB all alone in first place in the Big West with a really well constructed roster of skill, size and athleticism. He looks like a dweeb, but I like him (I mean compared to Fox). I still prefer the upside in Shantay, but I think Pasternak could really jump start the program with his connections right away. Maybe he would bring a couple of skilled UCSB guards with him.
If the donors are happy and motivated by Pasternak then I'm all in.
NIL, housing help, smaller scale practice facility...
Listening to donors is how you end up with Wilcox's 2022 contract extension. We need a smart person who knows college sports making these decisions, not donors.
What you really need is a smart person who knows he needs the donors but is able to get their buy-in to what he wants to do by working with them well before the time he needs that buy-in. Which means a lot of preparation, building relationships, and earning trust. What are the odds any of that has really happened here?


Did it really happen with the six year extension for Wilcox? I kind of think it was just Knowlton, because if it was more you would think wiser heads would prevail and someone smart would have told him it was not necessary and would only tie Cal's hands if 2022 (and 2023 and 2024) turned out to be another losing season.

A lot of folks got all warm-and-fuzzy when Wilcox supposedly "turned down Oregon... twice". Good sense went out the window for a time.
I can't be the only person that was indifferent that Wilcox received an offer from Oregon? Yeah, he's a good guy, but if Uncle Phil was gonna pay him bank, I said at the time 'go for it'.

Extremely disappointed to learn that donors had their critical thinking skills clouded by the warm-fuzzies.

Note that I don't know who felt what, just that, for a few weeks there, the general opinion of Wilcox on BI was up. Remember, this was a time when we had had the Arizona game COVID catastrophe and people were wondering if anybody at Cal really cared about the football program (okay, a legitimate concern, but still... ).

Dunno if Knowlton made the call on Wilcox's extension unilaterally, or what.
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calumnus said:

Big Dog said:

Big C said:



A lot of folks got all warm-and-fuzzy when Wilcox supposedly "turned down Oregon... twice". Good sense went out the window for a time.
I can't be the only person that was indifferent that Wilcox received an offer from Oregon? Yeah, he's a good guy, but if Uncle Phil was gonna pay him bank, I said at the time 'go for it'.

Extremely disappointed to learn that donors had their critical thinking skills clouded by the warm-fuzzies.


There were a few of us that were at best indifferent, really hoping he would take the job so Oregon would pay us his buyout, and we could use the Nike money to bring in someone new, a proven HC, hopefully a little more charismatic and with a good mind for offense. As I said, the extension was crazy. We easily could have waited to see how he did in the then upcoming season (not well, it turned out).

Now, we really need him to succeed because we can't afford to move on if he continues to fail again. However, I am actually hopeful Spavital, with Jackson and Ott, will put up yards and points. Hopefully Wilcox and Sirmon get us back to playing good defense.
You're more optimistic than I am. I think 6-6 is the absolute upside with Wilcox as our head coach. He just doesn't have what it takes to be a Power 5 head coach, neither coaching acumen nor personality.
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Golden One said:

calumnus said:

Big Dog said:

Big C said:



A lot of folks got all warm-and-fuzzy when Wilcox supposedly "turned down Oregon... twice". Good sense went out the window for a time.
I can't be the only person that was indifferent that Wilcox received an offer from Oregon? Yeah, he's a good guy, but if Uncle Phil was gonna pay him bank, I said at the time 'go for it'.

Extremely disappointed to learn that donors had their critical thinking skills clouded by the warm-fuzzies.


There were a few of us that were at best indifferent, really hoping he would take the job so Oregon would pay us his buyout, and we could use the Nike money to bring in someone new, a proven HC, hopefully a little more charismatic and with a good mind for offense. As I said, the extension was crazy. We easily could have waited to see how he did in the then upcoming season (not well, it turned out).

Now, we really need him to succeed because we can't afford to move on if he continues to fail again. However, I am actually hopeful Spavital, with Jackson and Ott, will put up yards and points. Hopefully Wilcox and Sirmon get us back to playing good defense.
You're more optimistic than I am. I think 6-6 is the absolute upside with Wilcox as our head coach. He just doesn't have what it takes to be a Power 5 head coach, neither coaching acumen nor personality.
we. might get to 7 once the pac adds two mid-majors to replace the SoCal schools. (Perhaps the Little Sisters of the Poor?)
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Golden One said:

You're more optimistic than I am. I think 6-6 is the absolute upside with Wilcox as our head coach. He just doesn't have what it takes to be a Power 5 head coach, neither coaching acumen nor personality.

Didn't Cal go 8-5 in 2019?
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Civil Bear said:

Golden One said:

You're more optimistic than I am. I think 6-6 is the absolute upside with Wilcox as our head coach. He just doesn't have what it takes to be a Power 5 head coach, neither coaching acumen nor personality.
Didn't Cal go 8-5 in 2019?
8-5 is equivalent to about a 21-22 win basketball season, FWIW.
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Civil Bear said:

Golden One said:

You're more optimistic than I am. I think 6-6 is the absolute upside with Wilcox as our head coach. He just doesn't have what it takes to be a Power 5 head coach, neither coaching acumen nor personality.
Didn't Cal go 8-5 in 2019?
Going 3-0 in preseason and 4-5 in conference doesn't do a lot for me, but if that floats your boat, rock on.
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Yeah, and to get the W's up to eight by beating some piss ant team in a bowl game (in which some teams don't even try very hard) seems meaningless. Still, 8-5 sounds a lot better than 4-8.
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Strykur said:

Civil Bear said:

Golden One said:

You're more optimistic than I am. I think 6-6 is the absolute upside with Wilcox as our head coach. He just doesn't have what it takes to be a Power 5 head coach, neither coaching acumen nor personality.
Didn't Cal go 8-5 in 2019?
8-5 is equivalent to about a 21-22 win basketball season, FWIW.
If you win 21-22 games in basketball, you might have a chance, however small, to be the national champion. If you go 8-5 in football, you will never be the national champ.
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Wilner from BANG:

"Stat of the month: Cal

The Bears have scored fewer than 50 points in four consecutive games and managed just 92 combined on their Mountain swing this weekend one more than Arizona scored in its victory over Oregon. The Bears are one of a handful of teams in Division I averaging fewer than 60 per game. The 1940s called, and they aren't impressed."
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Ursine said:

Civil Bear said:

Golden One said:

You're more optimistic than I am. I think 6-6 is the absolute upside with Wilcox as our head coach. He just doesn't have what it takes to be a Power 5 head coach, neither coaching acumen nor personality.
Didn't Cal go 8-5 in 2019?
Going 3-0 in preseason and 4-5 in conference doesn't do a lot for me, but if that floats your boat, rock on.
It beats 6-6, but I guess that's just me.
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Golden One said:

calumnus said:

Big Dog said:

Big C said:



A lot of folks got all warm-and-fuzzy when Wilcox supposedly "turned down Oregon... twice". Good sense went out the window for a time.
I can't be the only person that was indifferent that Wilcox received an offer from Oregon? Yeah, he's a good guy, but if Uncle Phil was gonna pay him bank, I said at the time 'go for it'.

Extremely disappointed to learn that donors had their critical thinking skills clouded by the warm-fuzzies.


There were a few of us that were at best indifferent, really hoping he would take the job so Oregon would pay us his buyout, and we could use the Nike money to bring in someone new, a proven HC, hopefully a little more charismatic and with a good mind for offense. As I said, the extension was crazy. We easily could have waited to see how he did in the then upcoming season (not well, it turned out).

Now, we really need him to succeed because we can't afford to move on if he continues to fail again. However, I am actually hopeful Spavital, with Jackson and Ott, will put up yards and points. Hopefully Wilcox and Sirmon get us back to playing good defense.
You're more optimistic than I am. I think 6-6 is the absolute upside with Wilcox as our head coach. He just doesn't have what it takes to be a Power 5 head coach, neither coaching acumen nor personality.


Where did I predict more than 6-6? Still far better than Fox. I do think this year will be Wilcox's best offense in 7. We have played better than average defense since Wilcox pushed DeRuyter out. I think we willl be much improved overall, ie average. 6-6 is a good prediction. Better than 4-8.
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