Mark Fox Venting Tent

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BeachedBear
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A number of posters have observed that many of us are so traumatized by the Mark Fox era, that we are devolving perfectly good topics into cathartic self loathing.

So, I thought I'd make a separate topic to focus our emotions and leave the positive new era pumping alone.
I'll kick it off with my last rant:

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Deutsch said:
Now that we have new coach, there is no need to bash the prior guy. Bad situation for him and is, now resolved.
bluesaxe said:
Bad situation for him? Retread gets hired for too much money, produces no results but gets extended, and turns in the worst performance in history while not even bothering to try and engage the Cal community or do anything real to make better things happen. I mean, shame on Knowlton, but don't try to tell me all that money for nothing was rough on poor Fox.
I wish I could give this more stars. It was obvious Fox wasn't working out at end of year two, That's OK - sometimes things don't work. A seemingly OK hire can underperform. But years three and four ?!?! When dozens if not hundreds were literally screaming at Knowlton to do something. And he did nothing. I have not heard of a single person in support of Fox in the last two years.

And Fox refusing to make any changes - when EVERYONE was screaming that this isn't working. Fox went into bunker mentality and apparently made our best players question their commitment to the game (much less Cal or their teammates). That's not incompetence. That is willful neglect, denial and borderline abuse.

**** NO! Mark Fox should be locked in a dank basement with a group of widows and orphans and recite out loud EVERY ****ING THING posted here on BI. And every time one of the widows or orphans cringes, he should hand them part of the $10,000,000 he cashed.
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Dunno if this is accurate but really Georgetown?

parentswerebears
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Look at guy's track record. Why would anyone want him on staff? I don't get it.
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Growler91 said:

Dunno if this is accurate but really Georgetown?


It's an off the road post.
BC Calfan
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Can someone enlighten me as to what "an off the road capacity" means?

Like he can't travel with team?? haha wut.
stu
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He can drive the bus into the ditch.
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BC Calfan said:

Can someone enlighten me as to what "an off the road capacity" means?

Like he can't travel with team?? haha wut.

Slightly informed speculation: no recruiting. Makes sense, since he didn't seem to give it more than minimal bandwidth as a head coach.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
PtownBear1
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I think Fox could do well overseas. Specifically in North Korea.
Pittstop
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Like Trent Johnson's role at Cal? No off campus recruiting? Or consultant?
CALiforniALUM
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PtownBear1 said:

I think Fox could do well overseas. Specifically in North Korea, and possibly ?????????.


Nice post given our newest recruit.
BeachedBear
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Does anyone have that clip of his player introduction video. Ya know the one where Justice looks like he's going to get sick.
BC Calfan
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Prepare to cringe. He sure got the "uncomfortable" part right.

BeachedBear
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Thanks BC Calfan - that's got to be worth a few thousand cringe dollars for the orphans and windows. My personal highlight is the closing '1 2 3 Together cheer' with only the single voice cheering TOGETHER'.

And bonus points to Cal marketing to think that any part of that clip was worth publishing.
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Is the Silver Fox laughing all the way to the CU?
"Those who say don't know, and those who know don't say." - LT
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CALiforniALUM said:

PtownBear1 said:

I think Fox could do well overseas. Specifically in North Korea, and possibly ?????????.


Nice post given our newest recruit.
Think you're overthinking it, but edited it anyway.

INVEST AND ATTACK!
CALiforniALUM
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You are probably correct, and I recognize your comment had no direct connection. I'm also sure that our new recruit probably has lived through worse.
Big C
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BeachedBear said:

Thanks BC Calfan - that's got to be worth a few thousand cringe dollars for the orphans and windows. My personal highlight is the closing '1 2 3 Together cheer' with only the single voice cheering TOGETHER'.

And bonus points to Cal marketing to think that any part of that clip was worth publishing.

Did you actually watch it again? And, if so, why? Less painful (and maybe actually celebratory) now that he's gone?

I stopped watching/listening to him fairly early on last season (about the time of the constant injury "excuses"). I want to watch that video again like I'd want to pick at an old wound until it reopened. I get that feelings on this will vary..
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Big C said:

BeachedBear said:

Thanks BC Calfan - that's got to be worth a few thousand cringe dollars for the orphans and windows. My personal highlight is the closing '1 2 3 Together cheer' with only the single voice cheering TOGETHER'.

And bonus points to Cal marketing to think that any part of that clip was worth publishing.

Did you actually watch it again? And, if so, why? Less painful (and maybe actually celebratory) now that he's gone?

I stopped watching/listening to him fairly early on last season (about the time of the constant injury "excuses"). I want to watch that video again like I'd want to pick at an old wound until it opened up I get that feelings on this will vary..
Never listened to fox post game.
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BeachedBear said:

A number of posters have observed that many of us are so traumatized by the Mark Fox era, that we are devolving perfectly good topics into cathartic self loathing.

So, I thought I'd make a separate topic to focus our emotions and leave the positive new era pumping alone.
I'll kick it off with my last rant:

Quote:

Quote:

Deutsch said:
Now that we have new coach, there is no need to bash the prior guy. Bad situation for him and is, now resolved.
bluesaxe said:
Bad situation for him? Retread gets hired for too much money, produces no results but gets extended, and turns in the worst performance in history while not even bothering to try and engage the Cal community or do anything real to make better things happen. I mean, shame on Knowlton, but don't try to tell me all that money for nothing was rough on poor Fox.
I wish I could give this more stars. It was obvious Fox wasn't working out at end of year two, That's OK - sometimes things don't work. A seemingly OK hire can underperform. But years three and four ?!?! When dozens if not hundreds were literally screaming at Knowlton to do something. And he did nothing. I have not heard of a single person in support of Fox in the last two years.

And Fox refusing to make any changes - when EVERYONE was screaming that this isn't working. Fox went into bunker mentality and apparently made our best players question their commitment to the game (much less Cal or their teammates). That's not incompetence. That is willful neglect, denial and borderline abuse.

**** NO! Mark Fox should be locked in a dank basement with a group of widows and orphans and recite out loud EVERY ****ING THING posted here on BI. And every time one of the widows or orphans cringes, he should hand them part of the $10,000,000 he cashed.

Haha, this is awesome. Thanks so much for doing this!

Go Bears!! Down with Fox; he was really bad!
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PtownBear1 said:

I think Fox could do well overseas. Specifically in North Korea.
Not likely. Dennis Rodman OWNS North Korea.
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Off the road sounds like Fox road kill to me!
bearister
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parentswerebears said:

Look at guy's track record. Why would anyone want him on staff? I don't get it.

For the same reason the other guy who went -16 in a row got put on a coaching staff. For the same reason every PAC 12 Network color analyst said what a good coach Fox is. The coaching fraternity takes care of their brothers.
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bearister said:

parentswerebears said:

Look at guy's track record. Why would anyone want him on staff? I don't get it.

For the same reason the other guy who went -16 in a row got put on a coaching staff. For the same reason every PAC 12 Network color analyst said what a good coach Fox is. The coaching fraternity takes care of their brothers.


This is the Mark Fox Venting Tent, you seem to be looking for the Wyking Jones Venting Monument. That was built in marble years ago, just up the street.

Note that Bradley and Kelly still praise Jones, but Fox brought both to the depths of despair. Bradley almost quit basketball and leaving Fox "saved (Kelly's) life" according to Kelly's mom. I personally think that transcends the fact that Fox went 3-29 in his 4th year and managed to have only 16 of those losses be consecutive. If he spaced out his 3 wins even better he could have had only 8 losses in a row, or he could have gone 1-32 and still only tie the 16 in a row mark.

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I just can't. I was going to do a long post about Mark fox and the idiocy of Christ and JK when it comes to "old school" coaches but I am not going to get my blood pressure up. He is gone. That is the good news. Lets hope we never have to see him around Haas ever again.
BeachedBear
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socaltownie said:

I just can't. I was going to do a long post about Mark fox and the idiocy of Christ and JK when it comes to "old school" coaches but I am not going to get my blood pressure up. He is gone. That is the good news. Lets hope we never have to see him around Haas ever again.
But thinking about it and not doing is 'enlightening' in many ways.

Namaste
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….and the horse he rode in on.
Signed,
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BeachedBear
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Open Letter to Jim Knowlton:

Dear Jimmy,

The last few weeks have brought some hope back to Cal Basketball. Please don't screw it up. If you are ever unclear how you should support Mark Madsen, consider this: Whatever Mark Fox did, encourage Mark Madsen to do the opposite!.

Regards,

Cal
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The last month has created an energy and excitement that is far and above ANY time during the Fox "era'

The bullcrap excuses, lack of transparency, lazy recruiting, no promotions are all the more apparent now.

The fact that that troll hung around for that long is truly inexplicable
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calfanz said:

The last month has created an energy and excitement that is far and above ANY time during the Fox "era'

The bullcrap excuses, lack of transparency, lazy recruiting, no promotions are all the more apparent now.

The fact that that troll hung around for that long is truly inexplicable
I can think of two reasons:

One - Jimmy 'the squeeze' Knowlton

Two - million$ of other reason$


But yeah, the sense of direction and momentum was clearly bad at the end of year 1. By the end of year 2, it was completely obvious. Only the tired excuses dragged it on to year 3. year 4 was simply criminal.

Why Jones was let go after 2 seasons, but Fox retained for 4 (and given a hefty extension) - leads me to believe that Knowlton is corrupt.
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BeachedBear said:

calfanz said:

The last month has created an energy and excitement that is far and above ANY time during the Fox "era'

The bullcrap excuses, lack of transparency, lazy recruiting, no promotions are all the more apparent now.

The fact that that troll hung around for that long is truly inexplicable
I can think of two reasons:

One - Jimmy 'the squeeze' Knowlton

Two - million$ of other reason$


But yeah, the sense of direction and momentum was clearly bad at the end of year 1. By the end of year 2, it was completely obvious. Only the tired excuses dragged it on to year 3. year 4 was simply criminal.

Why Jones was let go after 2 seasons, but Fox retained for 4 (and given a hefty extension) - leads me to believe that Knowlton is corrupt.


Knowlton had far more affinity for Fox than he had for Jones, helping him with excuses, even using "we" right up until the end.
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calumnus said:

BeachedBear said:

calfanz said:

The last month has created an energy and excitement that is far and above ANY time during the Fox "era'

The bullcrap excuses, lack of transparency, lazy recruiting, no promotions are all the more apparent now.

The fact that that troll hung around for that long is truly inexplicable
I can think of two reasons:

One - Jimmy 'the squeeze' Knowlton

Two - million$ of other reason$


But yeah, the sense of direction and momentum was clearly bad at the end of year 1. By the end of year 2, it was completely obvious. Only the tired excuses dragged it on to year 3. year 4 was simply criminal.

Why Jones was let go after 2 seasons, but Fox retained for 4 (and given a hefty extension) - leads me to believe that Knowlton is corrupt.


Knowlton had far more affinity for Fox than he had for Jones, helping him with excuses, even using "we" right up until the end.
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Still blows me away how bad Fox was.
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calumnus said:

Still blows me away how bad Fox was.
The thing is, he was bad in every facet. And seems to have gotten worse and worse.

I mean I guess he could run a practice as well as a HS coach, so with Wykings players, he was able to show a very small amount of organization that was absent under Jones. But that lasted, what - 3 or 4 games?

A couple months ago, I was surprised that he hadn't completely lost the locker room, but since Madsen came on board, it seems that it was even worse than I imagined and a tribute to the players to stick it out DESPITE Mark Fox.

But regardless of shortcomings, regression, culture-misfit, whatever. The stubborn reluctance to attempt the slightest change in the face of blatant failure is mind boggling.
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BeachedBear said:

calumnus said:

Still blows me away how bad Fox was.
The thing is, he was bad in every facet. And seems to have gotten worse and worse.

I mean I guess he could run a practice as well as a HS coach, so with Wykings players, he was able to show a very small amount of organization that was absent under Jones. But that lasted, what - 3 or 4 games?

A couple months ago, I was surprised that he hadn't completely lost the locker room, but since Madsen came on board, it seems that it was even worse than I imagined and a tribute to the players to stick it out DESPITE Mark Fox.

But regardless of shortcomings, regression, culture-misfit, whatever. The stubborn reluctance to attempt the slightest change in the face of blatant failure is mind boggling.
I wonder if the players that left would have still left if Fox was retained
Go Bears!
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calumnus said:

Still blows me away how bad Fox was.

Same. Was just getting upset again the other day after reading about the various showcase events that Madsen and staff are attending. This thread was a great idea.
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