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dimitrig said:

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sycasey said:

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Big C said:

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sycasey said:

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concordtom said:

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sycasey said:

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concordtom said:

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Witnessing the end of a semi-dynasty? Even if they somehow get past the Kings, I'm not sure how long the Warriors can keep this up. And with this aging core, maybe time to start fresh.

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"We've crushed them on the basketball court, and we're going to for years because of the way we've built this team," he said. But what really set the franchise apart, he said, was the way it operated as a business. "We're light-years ahead of probably every other team in structure, in planning, in how we're going to go about things," he said. "We're going to be a handful for the rest of the N.B.A. to deal with for a long time."
-What Happened When Venture Capitalists Took Over the Golden State Warriors By Bruce Schoenfeld, NY Times, March 30, 2016

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People keep throwing this around as an example of unearned hubris, but . . . the franchise has won three titles (more than anyone else) since the interview was given. Was he wrong?

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Well, they blew the wiseman pick BIG TIME, and as their stars age out, what do they have going next?

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I mean, this is just how the NBA works. You get a big star and a good core and have a championship window. Eventually the star leaves and you have to build one again. Some franchises can do it more quickly than others, but they all have to do it.

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Correct.
So there's nothing "light years ahead" about it.

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Well, I guess one could disagree about what a metaphorical term like "light years ahead" really means. I'm not sure if Lacob was actively thinking about the distant Steph-less future when he said that.

But anyway, he did deliver three more titles after that (plus two more Finals appearances) so maybe he was at least correct about the near term when he said it.

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The thing with Lacob and his "light years"... you know the story about the guy that was born on 3rd base and thought he'd hit a triple? Well, Lacob did hit a triple (maybe even a grand slam, but I don't want to mix the metaphor). However, he probably now thinks that triples are pretty easy for him to hit and, if you know baseball, they're not, for anybody.

The Warriors got lucky drafting Curry and Draymond and even a little bit with Klay, but there's a random chance component to NBA drafting (see Wiseman, James). The next triple might not be so easy to hit.

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No doubt, it's hard to find the best prospects, and when it comes to Wiseman: obviously he didn't work out, but I don't know that you can point to anyone lower than him in the draft and say that guy would have been transformational for the Warriors. Are there better guys? Yes, but none are superstars. That was not a very good draft pool.

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It was a bad draft class, but there are definitely some guys that would have been a big help.

Desmond Bane, for example.

Not to mention Halliburton, Maxey, Vassell, of course Ball.

Lots of teams whiffed because the draft was not a good one, but any of those guys would have been transformational for the Warriors.

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Those guys are good, but I wouldn't call any of them "transformational."

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They would have made the team a lot better. Maybe the difference between winning this series and losing it.

Someday he will run into that guy that he wished he hadn't f@ucked with*…and that will be a teachable moment…..and he will emerge a better man. To date, he has always been on the delivering end.

*Someone like James Johnson of the Pacers. He is a black belt in karate and has a kickboxing record of 20-0 and has also fought in MMA.

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sycasey said:

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dimitrig said:

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sycasey said:

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Big C said:

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sycasey said:

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concordtom said:

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sycasey said:

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concordtom said:

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sycasey said:

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bearister said:

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Big C said:

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Witnessing the end of a semi-dynasty? Even if they somehow get past the Kings, I'm not sure how long the Warriors can keep this up. And with this aging core, maybe time to start fresh.

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"We've crushed them on the basketball court, and we're going to for years because of the way we've built this team," he said. But what really set the franchise apart, he said, was the way it operated as a business. "We're light-years ahead of probably every other team in structure, in planning, in how we're going to go about things," he said. "We're going to be a handful for the rest of the N.B.A. to deal with for a long time."
-What Happened When Venture Capitalists Took Over the Golden State Warriors By Bruce Schoenfeld, NY Times, March 30, 2016

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People keep throwing this around as an example of unearned hubris, but . . . the franchise has won three titles (more than anyone else) since the interview was given. Was he wrong?

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Well, they blew the wiseman pick BIG TIME, and as their stars age out, what do they have going next?

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I mean, this is just how the NBA works. You get a big star and a good core and have a championship window. Eventually the star leaves and you have to build one again. Some franchises can do it more quickly than others, but they all have to do it.

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Correct.
So there's nothing "light years ahead" about it.

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Well, I guess one could disagree about what a metaphorical term like "light years ahead" really means. I'm not sure if Lacob was actively thinking about the distant Steph-less future when he said that.

But anyway, he did deliver three more titles after that (plus two more Finals appearances) so maybe he was at least correct about the near term when he said it.

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The thing with Lacob and his "light years"... you know the story about the guy that was born on 3rd base and thought he'd hit a triple? Well, Lacob did hit a triple (maybe even a grand slam, but I don't want to mix the metaphor). However, he probably now thinks that triples are pretty easy for him to hit and, if you know baseball, they're not, for anybody.

The Warriors got lucky drafting Curry and Draymond and even a little bit with Klay, but there's a random chance component to NBA drafting (see Wiseman, James). The next triple might not be so easy to hit.

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No doubt, it's hard to find the best prospects, and when it comes to Wiseman: obviously he didn't work out, but I don't know that you can point to anyone lower than him in the draft and say that guy would have been transformational for the Warriors. Are there better guys? Yes, but none are superstars. That was not a very good draft pool.

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It was a bad draft class, but there are definitely some guys that would have been a big help.

Desmond Bane, for example.

Not to mention Halliburton, Maxey, Vassell, of course Ball.

Lots of teams whiffed because the draft was not a good one, but any of those guys would have been transformational for the Warriors.

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Those guys are good, but I wouldn't call any of them "transformational."

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They would have made the team a lot better. Maybe the difference between winning this series and losing it.

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Maybe, but they literally won the title last year with the same group, so I think the major differences in winning or losing this series are elsewhere. The core group just isn't in sync anymore.

sycasey said:

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dimitrig said:

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sycasey said:

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Big C said:

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sycasey said:

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concordtom said:

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sycasey said:

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concordtom said:

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sycasey said:

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bearister said:

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Big C said:

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Witnessing the end of a semi-dynasty? Even if they somehow get past the Kings, I'm not sure how long the Warriors can keep this up. And with this aging core, maybe time to start fresh.

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"We've crushed them on the basketball court, and we're going to for years because of the way we've built this team," he said. But what really set the franchise apart, he said, was the way it operated as a business. "We're light-years ahead of probably every other team in structure, in planning, in how we're going to go about things," he said. "We're going to be a handful for the rest of the N.B.A. to deal with for a long time."
-What Happened When Venture Capitalists Took Over the Golden State Warriors By Bruce Schoenfeld, NY Times, March 30, 2016

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People keep throwing this around as an example of unearned hubris, but . . . the franchise has won three titles (more than anyone else) since the interview was given. Was he wrong?

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Well, they blew the wiseman pick BIG TIME, and as their stars age out, what do they have going next?

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I mean, this is just how the NBA works. You get a big star and a good core and have a championship window. Eventually the star leaves and you have to build one again. Some franchises can do it more quickly than others, but they all have to do it.

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Correct.
So there's nothing "light years ahead" about it.

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Well, I guess one could disagree about what a metaphorical term like "light years ahead" really means. I'm not sure if Lacob was actively thinking about the distant Steph-less future when he said that.

But anyway, he did deliver three more titles after that (plus two more Finals appearances) so maybe he was at least correct about the near term when he said it.

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The thing with Lacob and his "light years"... you know the story about the guy that was born on 3rd base and thought he'd hit a triple? Well, Lacob did hit a triple (maybe even a grand slam, but I don't want to mix the metaphor). However, he probably now thinks that triples are pretty easy for him to hit and, if you know baseball, they're not, for anybody.

The Warriors got lucky drafting Curry and Draymond and even a little bit with Klay, but there's a random chance component to NBA drafting (see Wiseman, James). The next triple might not be so easy to hit.

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No doubt, it's hard to find the best prospects, and when it comes to Wiseman: obviously he didn't work out, but I don't know that you can point to anyone lower than him in the draft and say that guy would have been transformational for the Warriors. Are there better guys? Yes, but none are superstars. That was not a very good draft pool.

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It was a bad draft class, but there are definitely some guys that would have been a big help.

Desmond Bane, for example.

Not to mention Halliburton, Maxey, Vassell, of course Ball.

Lots of teams whiffed because the draft was not a good one, but any of those guys would have been transformational for the Warriors.

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Those guys are good, but I wouldn't call any of them "transformational."

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Yeah, many had hoped that the Dubs would trade out from #2 that year to move down and get a vet. Not sure there were any good offers given how weak that draft class was.

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sycasey said:

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dimitrig said:

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sycasey said:

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Big C said:

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sycasey said:

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concordtom said:

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sycasey said:

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concordtom said:

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sycasey said:

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bearister said:

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Big C said:

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Witnessing the end of a semi-dynasty? Even if they somehow get past the Kings, I'm not sure how long the Warriors can keep this up. And with this aging core, maybe time to start fresh.

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"We've crushed them on the basketball court, and we're going to for years because of the way we've built this team," he said. But what really set the franchise apart, he said, was the way it operated as a business. "We're light-years ahead of probably every other team in structure, in planning, in how we're going to go about things," he said. "We're going to be a handful for the rest of the N.B.A. to deal with for a long time."
-What Happened When Venture Capitalists Took Over the Golden State Warriors By Bruce Schoenfeld, NY Times, March 30, 2016

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People keep throwing this around as an example of unearned hubris, but . . . the franchise has won three titles (more than anyone else) since the interview was given. Was he wrong?

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Well, they blew the wiseman pick BIG TIME, and as their stars age out, what do they have going next?

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I mean, this is just how the NBA works. You get a big star and a good core and have a championship window. Eventually the star leaves and you have to build one again. Some franchises can do it more quickly than others, but they all have to do it.

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Correct.
So there's nothing "light years ahead" about it.

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Well, I guess one could disagree about what a metaphorical term like "light years ahead" really means. I'm not sure if Lacob was actively thinking about the distant Steph-less future when he said that.

But anyway, he did deliver three more titles after that (plus two more Finals appearances) so maybe he was at least correct about the near term when he said it.

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The thing with Lacob and his "light years"... you know the story about the guy that was born on 3rd base and thought he'd hit a triple? Well, Lacob did hit a triple (maybe even a grand slam, but I don't want to mix the metaphor). However, he probably now thinks that triples are pretty easy for him to hit and, if you know baseball, they're not, for anybody.

The Warriors got lucky drafting Curry and Draymond and even a little bit with Klay, but there's a random chance component to NBA drafting (see Wiseman, James). The next triple might not be so easy to hit.

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No doubt, it's hard to find the best prospects, and when it comes to Wiseman: obviously he didn't work out, but I don't know that you can point to anyone lower than him in the draft and say that guy would have been transformational for the Warriors. Are there better guys? Yes, but none are superstars. That was not a very good draft pool.

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It was a bad draft class, but there are definitely some guys that would have been a big help.

Desmond Bane, for example.

Not to mention Halliburton, Maxey, Vassell, of course Ball.

Lots of teams whiffed because the draft was not a good one, but any of those guys would have been transformational for the Warriors.

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Those guys are good, but I wouldn't call any of them "transformational."

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Yeah, many had hoped that the Dubs would trade out from #2 that year to move down and get a vet. Not sure there were any good offers given how weak that draft class was.

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That's just it, probably no one wanted to trade for the #2 pick.

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Did you see how Sabonis was playing bully ball all game long? Those actually impacts the game, not the silly out of bounds play

So refs don't call charges on Sabonis all game, yet if the Green out of bounds butt call on Green stuck, it would have been a massive injustice

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I think Sabonis was called for two charges, no?
The one on Steph and another on ???
Certainly Dray drew a charge on another king.

But definitely! Sabonis was lowering his shoulder and banging hard.
Glad you saw that as well.

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The charge on Steph was just an example of a player being set before the ball handler plowed into him

The charge on Drey to your point was the type of play I'm referring to. They called Sabonis on that play, but there were many more where Sabonis used his body as a battling ram or leading with his elbow with no calls.

But Drey and players on both teams were pushing, shoving, swatting, hacking in the paint all game long. Some were called, some were not

BUT my point is if any of those calls were made, I'd have no issue.

But to have that trench warfare with few calls AND the out of bounds butt bump whistled it would have been a crime

&ct=g

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Maybe refs were just looking and waiting, camping, for Draymond to do something.
Well, he did.

And re sabonis, he crashed into looney very hard one time I thought they could have called a charge for. Nope.

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IMO it's more like Mike Brown instructed Sabonis to antagonize Draymond as much as possible in the hopes that he'll blow his top. Worked perfectly.

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Yes. I agree with you!

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In the final 6 mins of game 2 (with draymond out) the kings scored on 10 of their final 11 possessions (does not include garbage time)

So…..I dunno man. I wanna believe, but kuminga was getting absolutely cooked the last two games

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Oh! Ain't no believing going on here!
It's over!

Close the door on the Dubs.
The whole dynasty thing, it's over.

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Nah dubs are still -6 for game 3, even after the suspension. If warriors get past game 3, it's probably even money for who takes the series

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I'm sticking with Kings for game 3.
Warriors are now said to have some injuries.

Again, I was a doubter last postseason too. Happily so!

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Someday he will run into that guy that he wished he hadn't f@ucked with*…and that will be a teachable moment…..and he will emerge a better man. To date, he has always been on the delivering end.

*Someone like James Johnson of the Pacers. He is a black belt in karate and has a kickboxing record of 20-0 and has also fought in MMA.

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Newsflash: Oakland native openly cheering for Draymond Green to get his ass kicked. Hmmm. Interesting!

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bearister said:

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Someday he will run into that guy that he wished he hadn't f@ucked with*…and that will be a teachable moment…..and he will emerge a better man. To date, he has always been on the delivering end.

*Someone like James Johnson of the Pacers. He is a black belt in karate and has a kickboxing record of 20-0 and has also fought in MMA.

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Newsflash: Oakland native openly cheering for Draymond Green to get his ass kicked. Hmmm. Interesting!

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After this season, Green is not long for the Bay Area anyway. It's likely he wants to team up with his buddy Lebron

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Re: Draymond: great basketball player, great BB mind and no doubt an over-all big plus over the years - note his role in winning champions, note his role in losing them...]

But at this point his act is entirely used up...and whether suspension was justified or not is to me, irrelevant.

He bristles at his teammates if he thinks they've done something to harm the team and will even assault [J Poole]
but like all hypocrites, gives himself a free pass to damage the team...

enough of DG

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My friend in Clayton and I are also sick of DG, and we watch every game.
We kinda hope he opts out.

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dimitrig said:

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sycasey said:

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Big C said:

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sycasey said:

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concordtom said:

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sycasey said:

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concordtom said:

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sycasey said:

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Big C said:

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Witnessing the end of a semi-dynasty? Even if they somehow get past the Kings, I'm not sure how long the Warriors can keep this up. And with this aging core, maybe time to start fresh.

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"We've crushed them on the basketball court, and we're going to for years because of the way we've built this team," he said. But what really set the franchise apart, he said, was the way it operated as a business. "We're light-years ahead of probably every other team in structure, in planning, in how we're going to go about things," he said. "We're going to be a handful for the rest of the N.B.A. to deal with for a long time."
-What Happened When Venture Capitalists Took Over the Golden State Warriors By Bruce Schoenfeld, NY Times, March 30, 2016

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People keep throwing this around as an example of unearned hubris, but . . . the franchise has won three titles (more than anyone else) since the interview was given. Was he wrong?

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Well, they blew the wiseman pick BIG TIME, and as their stars age out, what do they have going next?

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I mean, this is just how the NBA works. You get a big star and a good core and have a championship window. Eventually the star leaves and you have to build one again. Some franchises can do it more quickly than others, but they all have to do it.

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Correct.
So there's nothing "light years ahead" about it.

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Well, I guess one could disagree about what a metaphorical term like "light years ahead" really means. I'm not sure if Lacob was actively thinking about the distant Steph-less future when he said that.

But anyway, he did deliver three more titles after that (plus two more Finals appearances) so maybe he was at least correct about the near term when he said it.

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The thing with Lacob and his "light years"... you know the story about the guy that was born on 3rd base and thought he'd hit a triple? Well, Lacob did hit a triple (maybe even a grand slam, but I don't want to mix the metaphor). However, he probably now thinks that triples are pretty easy for him to hit and, if you know baseball, they're not, for anybody.

The Warriors got lucky drafting Curry and Draymond and even a little bit with Klay, but there's a random chance component to NBA drafting (see Wiseman, James). The next triple might not be so easy to hit.

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No doubt, it's hard to find the best prospects, and when it comes to Wiseman: obviously he didn't work out, but I don't know that you can point to anyone lower than him in the draft and say that guy would have been transformational for the Warriors. Are there better guys? Yes, but none are superstars. That was not a very good draft pool.

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It was a bad draft class, but there are definitely some guys that would have been a big help.

Desmond Bane, for example.

Not to mention Halliburton, Maxey, Vassell, of course Ball.

Lots of teams whiffed because the draft was not a good one, but any of those guys would have been transformational for the Warriors.

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Those guys are good, but I wouldn't call any of them "transformational."

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Yeah, many had hoped that the Dubs would trade out from #2 that year to move down and get a vet. Not sure there were any good offers given how weak that draft class was.

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Monty reported that there were some in W's brass that thought Wiseman could be HoF material.
They either severely mis-evaluated him
OR
Severely failed to develop him, even with his injuries.
OR both.

I say it's not over for wiseman yet.
The W's gave him away for nothing, which is shocking.
They didn't even have him playing in Santa Cruz for development. Is that because wiseman complained about the beds down there? I don't think so.

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That's just it, probably no one wanted to trade for the #2 pick.

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No. The warriors wanted wiseman!!

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sycasey said:

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That's just it, probably no one wanted to trade for the #2 pick.

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No. The warriors wanted wiseman!!

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Before or after they had no good offers for a trade? I'm sure they did think he was their best option at that slot. But that doesn't mean they didn't try to trade the slot.

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sycasey said:

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That's just it, probably no one wanted to trade for the #2 pick.

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No. The warriors wanted wiseman!!

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Before or after they had no good offers for a trade? I'm sure they did think he was their best option at that slot. But that doesn't mean they didn't try to trade the slot.

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Fair.
We'll never know the internal conversations.

But I GUARANTEE they were offered more than 5 second round picks.

Another thought on the Stomp.

Folks seem to agree that Mike Brown likely discussed with team how to get at DG psychologically. And he won. Fine.

But I particularly do not like how they (likely) lied about the extent of the injury to Sabonis.

"X-rays negative."
"Sabonis questionable."

Puh-leeeze!

Acting job!

Lacob spends a ton of money on assistant coaches/player development.
No more so than with Wiseman, they hired a coach from Serbia in 2021, Dejan Milojevic, who developed Jokic from age 16 to the player you see now. While nothing seemed to work with Wiseman, Milojevic has done wonders with Looney and his footwork and rebounding, as well as Kuminga. They decided to try again with a different big player later as Wiseman will be due a minimum 3 year 40 million contract next season, huge when you are in the repeater tax bracket.

Thank you. Wiseman's injury came at a terrible time, in terms of his development. The jury's still out as far as what he can become, but it just didn't happen with the Warriors.

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bearister said:

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Someday he will run into that guy that he wished he hadn't f@ucked with*…and that will be a teachable moment…..and he will emerge a better man. To date, he has always been on the delivering end.

*Someone like James Johnson of the Pacers. He is a black belt in karate and has a kickboxing record of 20-0 and has also fought in MMA.

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Newsflash: Oakland native openly cheering for Draymond Green to get his ass kicked. Hmmm. Interesting!

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Hey, you referenced St. Paul in the gun control debate. A good solid @$$ kicking with a broken jaw wired shut for a few months can be an epiphanous event.
I think Draymond is a good person, and a great player and teammate. He has one flaw: he physically assaults people. If he was on the losing side of that ledger in a large way just once, he will find redemption. James Johnson of the Indiana Pacers could readily provide that service. Methinks Dray would take a hard pass on f@ucking with him, however.

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I say it's not over for wiseman yet.
The W's gave him away for nothing, which is shocking.

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Well the got Payton back for him. That's not nothing. Sure hope GP2 is okay for tonight. Need all hands on deck. Or else all the fun we've had watching the Dubs these last eight years might be coming to an end.

Green is such a big part of the offense and defense

Rebounds, runs the break, passes, defends, rebounds

Looney can't get in foul trouble or warriors can put a fork in it

The TNT play by play guy:
"The Warriors are looking forward to taking advantage of some home cooking these next two games."

Either he doesn't know what "home cooking" means or he just cast aspersions on NBA officiating and he is going to hear from the home office.

No GP2. "Under the weather."

Black uniforms?

What is that on the front of the black jersey? If it's a cannabis bud for 4-20, okay fine. If not, WTH is it and how can the Warriors expect to win this one?

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No GP2. "Under the weather."

Black uniforms?

What is that on the front of the black jersey? If it's a cannabis bud for 4-20, okay fine. If not, WTH is it and how can the Warriors expect to win this one?

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As I understand it, the NBA sets the jersey colors for each game. The teams don't get to choose.

After two games of Sabonis being unstoppable now he is not even looking at the basket

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Big C said:

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No GP2. "Under the weather."

Black uniforms?

What is that on the front of the black jersey? If it's a cannabis bud for 4-20, okay fine. If not, WTH is it and how can the Warriors expect to win this one?

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As I understand it, the NBA sets the jersey colors for each game. The teams don't get to choose.

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So the NBA can just tell a team that they're wearing a color for a certain game that's not even one of their colors? If true, that's pretty weird. And then, what's up with the flower-thing on the front of their jersey? Something growing in Adam Silver's garden that his wife likes?

If the Kings can't bury this lame iteration of the Warriors, then they deserve to be known as the Sacramento Kings.

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sycasey said:

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Big C said:

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No GP2. "Under the weather."

Black uniforms?

What is that on the front of the black jersey? If it's a cannabis bud for 4-20, okay fine. If not, WTH is it and how can the Warriors expect to win this one?

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As I understand it, the NBA sets the jersey colors for each game. The teams don't get to choose.

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So the NBA can just tell a team that they're wearing a color for a certain game that's not even one of their colors? If true, that's pretty weird. And then, what's up with the flower-thing on the front of their jersey? Something growing in Adam Silver's garden that his wife likes?

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Each team has a set number of uniform combos before the season that won't be deviated from. But then the league will choose the unis for individual games (I'm guessing with some input from Nike).

Looney 17 boards. Fox incessantly travels. He picks up dribble and walks. Notice how many times he and others receive a pass and then walk to their 3 point launch spot without ever dribbling.

Warriors rolling

LOL, the Sacramento Brickla... er... Kings... could only score 97 points tonight, despite the fact that the Warriors were...

- minus Draymond Green
- minus Gary Payton II
- wearing black jerseys with flowers on the front

Those chokers should just pack up and move to Las Vegas tonight, just like every other crappy former-California team, LMFAO!

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is Sac pulling the broom out of the closet?

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Warriors have been way better at home all season, so probably not.

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As I was saying . . .

When the warriors' role players play well, they are pretty unbeatable. The trick is to get them to play well on the road