San Diego State game tomorrow

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SFCityBear
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The Aztecs were ranked #17 in the AP preseason poll, but have dropped off the poll and have dropped a game. They did beat St Marys by 20 points, and they do showcase the player who is leading the country in scoring, so the game should be a real test for Cal. And it might test their stamina as well, it being our 3rd game in 6 days, I believe.

This game might tell us if our Bears are really not so good, or whether they have so far just been playing down to the opposition.
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ducky23
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Anyone have any ideas how one is supposed to watch this game on Comcast? Or is this one of those streaming only days.
Johnfox
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Anyone going to the SDSU v Cal game?
KoreAmBear
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SFCityBear said:

The Aztecs were ranked #17 in the AP preseason poll, but have dropped off the poll and have dropped a game. They did beat St Marys by 20 points, and they do showcase the player who is leading the country in scoring, so the game should be a real test for Cal. And it might test their stamina as well, it being our 3rd game in 6 days, I believe.

This game might tell us if our Bears are really not so good, or whether they have so far just been playing down to the opposition.


I doubt this game tells us anything besides whether the players keep buying into Mad Dog's plan. Playing above our weight would be good. We certainly could/should have won games v Pacific, Montana State, UTEP and Tulane without the three guys who are out, but SDSU and the next 3 after that, may be a different story. It will be an immense challenge without them.
RedlessWardrobe
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Anyone know if accessing mountain west network requires a fee?
oskidunker
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RedlessWardrobe said:

Anyone know if accessing mountain west network requires a fee?


No fee. Available on apple tv. Download the app
Go Bears!
SonomanA1
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Mt West Network

From link on Cal website for game. I hope to watch at Cal tailgate at the Rose Bowl.
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SonomanA1 said:

Mt West Network

From link on Cal website for game. I hope to watch at Cal tailgate at the Rose Bowl.


I feel a win. Not sure why
Go Bears!
RedlessWardrobe
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oskidunker said:

RedlessWardrobe said:

Anyone know if accessing mountain west network requires a fee?


No fee. Available on apple tv. Download the app
Thx for the update
oskidunker
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Any injured players returning today?
Go Bears!
SFCityBear
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KoreAmBear said:

SFCityBear said:

The Aztecs were ranked #17 in the AP preseason poll, but have dropped off the poll and have dropped a game. They did beat St Marys by 20 points, and they do showcase the player who is leading the country in scoring, so the game should be a real test for Cal. And it might test their stamina as well, it being our 3rd game in 6 days, I believe.

This game might tell us if our Bears are really not so good, or whether they have so far just been playing down to the opposition.


I doubt this game tells us anything besides whether the players keep buying into Mad Dog's plan. Playing above our weight would be good. We certainly could/should have won games v Pacific, Montana State, UTEP and Tulane without the three guys who are out, but SDSU and the next 3 after that, may be a different story. It will be an immense challenge without them.
KoreAmBear,

I think I feel a little vindicated. Our Bears hung with San Diego State, and in fact they held SDS to no buckets over the last 12 minutes, enabling us to force them into playing an overtime period. For a team which has been so weak on defense so far this season, that alone was quite an accomplishment, don't you agree? I think Cal just simply ran out of gas in the overtime.

I was not able to find a way to watch the game on TV, but I did listen to it on the radio, and from that and the box score, we can see that both teams played poorly on offense, with mostly well below average shooting percentages. Cal crushed SDS on the boards, but again was plagued with too many turnovers and not enough assists to win many basketball games.

Of course, it may be that SDS was over-ranked to begin the season, or their ranking was justified, in which case they may have played down to the opponent's level of competition. Still, I can't help being impressed with this showing, because Cal did this with 3 of our best players sitting out the game with injuries.

I'm hopeful we can put out the same effort game after game, but we still need big improvement on offense and defense. Offensively, we have no adequate point guard on the floor. Someone with that mentality to look for the open teammate first, and have the court vision and passing skill to get him the ball. This is too similar to last year, when guys with the mindset and skill to find the open man were injured: Clayton, Celestine and even Askew. Clayton is gone, and Celestine has the vision and skills, but not the mobility to play point. I am hoping Kennedy will get back soon, and have the qualities I'm looking for to play point. If we have no point guard, Madsen will need to coach more of a team game, with more players involved all the time, giving us more assists. Good teams have 20 assists a game or close to it, and assist to turnover ratios always positive, 2 or 3 assists to turnover. And good teams usually score half their points with assists, indicating a good level of teamwork.

Right now Fardaws is hurting us more with turnovers than Lars did, because he has the ball more often than Lars did. Lars couldn't catch the basketball. Fardaws can catch it, but too often, he can't hold on to it. Lars got a little better at catching the ball, and I expect Fardaws will get better at holding onto it, when he gets more comfortable with his teammates and our offensive scheme.


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sandiegobears
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I don't agree on Daws. I know he's not passing your "eye test," but that's turnovers per game and the real stats don't lie. While Daws is averaging 3 per game and Lars was around 1 per game, the real stats show the Daws turns the ball over 3.8 times per 40 minutes at Cal (3.7 in career), while Lars was 2.7 per 40 minutes. So while that is a difference, you wouldn't notice turnovers/game as much if Lars played more minutes because he would turnover the ball more (and lord knows, he had hands of brick for 3 of 4 years). But more importantly, let's talk about the huge positives Daws brings:

Daws 5-year average (including only 7 games at Cal): 18.2 points/40 min, 15 rebounds/40 min
Lars 4-year average: 11.3 points/40 min, 8.2 rebounds/40 min

He's offering way more than Lars ever did and it's not even close. Daws is way better, and if he turns the ball over 1 more time per 40 minutes, who cares? I think there are probably a time or two per game where he might get a difficult rebound and then immediately turn it over, that's gonna happen because he's working hard, I'm ok with it. Also, it's interesting to note that right now through 7 games, he is 2nd in turnovers, but when you look at the four years Lars was here, it was always the guards (and particularly Joel Brown and Matt Bradley) who consistently turned the ball over the most, which is what you'd expect since they hold the ball more. Right now, Daws is being asked to probably do more than he should and when a real PG takes over, we may seem some small reduction in his TO count. But just keep in mind that what he's doing right now is generally what he did over his other 4 playing seasons, it probably will continue, although I'm sure we'd hope for a few less. Overall, I'll take his positives, they far outweigh turnover count.

On the SDSU front, I suspect it's a bit of an adjustment for them, they lost 2 starters and are still feeling their way. Parrish and Butler had pretty bad games. LeDee is an All American, for sure. I suspect SDSU will improve, but it felt like they did maybe play down a little to the competition for some stretches. Otoh, give it up for the Bears who played hard. I liked what I saw and I can't wait to see improvement when the injured players hopefully return. It's way to early to pass judgement on the Bears.
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Let me make this clear: I was only comparing one aspect of Fardaws' skill set with that of Lars, turnovers. I said nothing else about Lars. Fardaws and Lars have nothing much in common other than they both wore a Cal uniform, and played for Cal.

Other than that, I really like the kid. I am very happy with his offense and his rebounding. I haven't focused on watching his defense much, so I have nothing to say about that yet. My time as a fan goes back a long way, to the days of All-Americans Bob McKeen and Darrall Imhoff. I think Fardaws right now looks to me to be the best center Cal has had since Ansley Truitt. Truitt finished his Cal career in 1972, over 50 years ago. Ansley averaged 19 points and 13 rebounds in his senior year, 17 points and 12 rebounds over his career. If Fardaws continues to play like his is playing now, and eliminate one or two TOs, I will be very pleased. If he also becomes a force on defense, I'll be ecstatic.

Turnovers are extremely important, and especially damaging to a young team trying to find some cohesion. For Cal, they have been a main factor is Cal's losses, maybe the main factor. Here are the numbers:

Total Turnovers: Cal 101, Opponents 69 (Cal ranks #258th in the NCAA in turnovers)

Turnovers per Cal game: Cal 14.4, Opponents 9.8

Points scored off opponents' turnovers: Cal 91. Opponents points scored off Cal turnovers: 119

Cal points scored off opponents' turnovers per game: 13

Opponents' points scored off Cal turnovers per game: 17

This means opponents score 4 points off turnovers more than Cal scores off turnovers. Do you realize that if we improved just a little, so that we gave up no more points off turnovers than our opponents, we probably would have won the last 4 games, and our record today would be 6-1 instead of 2-5?

Tyson commits the most turnovers with 4 and Fardaws with 3 per game. At Ca,l Fardaws is about at his career average, so the coaches will have work to do. I'd like to see us get below 10 TOs/game. Otherwise, we are hurting ourselves.



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sandiegobears said:

I don't agree on Daws. I know he's not passing your "eye test," but that's turnovers per game and the real stats don't lie. While Daws is averaging 3 per game and Lars was around 1 per game, the real stats show the Daws turns the ball over 3.8 times per 40 minutes at Cal (3.7 in career), while Lars was 2.7 per 40 minutes. So while that is a difference, you wouldn't notice turnovers/game as much if Lars played more minutes because he would turnover the ball more (and lord knows, he had hands of brick for 3 of 4 years). But more importantly, let's talk about the huge positives Daws brings:

Daws 5-year average (including only 7 games at Cal): 18.2 points/40 min, 15 rebounds/40 min
Lars 4-year average: 11.3 points/40 min, 8.2 rebounds/40 min

He's offering way more than Lars ever did and it's not even close. Daws is way better, and if he turns the ball over 1 more time per 40 minutes, who cares? I think there are probably a time or two per game where he might get a difficult rebound and then immediately turn it over, that's gonna happen because he's working hard, I'm ok with it. Also, it's interesting to note that right now through 7 games, he is 2nd in turnovers, but when you look at the four years Lars was here, it was always the guards (and particularly Joel Brown and Matt Bradley) who consistently turned the ball over the most, which is what you'd expect since they hold the ball more. Right now, Daws is being asked to probably do more than he should and when a real PG takes over, we may seem some small reduction in his TO count. But just keep in mind that what he's doing right now is generally what he did over his other 4 playing seasons, it probably will continue, although I'm sure we'd hope for a few less. Overall, I'll take his positives, they far outweigh turnover count.

On the SDSU front, I suspect it's a bit of an adjustment for them, they lost 2 starters and are still feeling their way. Parrish and Butler had pretty bad games. LeDee is an All American, for sure. I suspect SDSU will improve, but it felt like they did maybe play down a little to the competition for some stretches. Otoh, give it up for the Bears who played hard. I liked what I saw and I can't wait to see improvement when the injured players hopefully return. It's way to early to pass judgement on the Bears.


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They listened to you (and everyone), they only had 7 yesterday.

I just think a lot of excellent posters on here (you know more about hoops than me) have jumped way too far ahead to make conclusions about a team in progress (maybe they are just observations, but they feel like conclusions). It used to be "hey, let's give the coach 2 or 3 or even 4 years," then it was "yeah, he gets a year, maybe two," and now it's "hey, they should be a lot better after 7 or 8 games." I mean, you played, it takes time with a new coach and a new team and that is one thing that absolutely hasn't changed in this new world. In fact, it happens just about every year at Oregon, where Altman pieces together parts from all manner of transfers, they start slow and by year end, they are top 4. The expectations/complaints about "perfect" Cal basketball are just unreal to read, especially when two starters and a 6th man were out. I really think we'll continue to see ups and downs, all year, hopefully more ups than downs and I think we'll see progress by year end. But I also don't expect that every game will be perfect or that some players won't have issues. This is absolutely a work in progress, that's really my only frustration, perhaps my reply was a bit strong about Fardaws. But let me also be clear: this is who he is. He turned the ball over a decent amount for 4 seasons and he'll probably continue to do it. If he can have 1 less turnover per game, it's a huge win. I think he's the best inside presence Cal has had in a long time.

BTW, SDSU is definitely struggling too, they almost lost to UCSD, which has notched wins over Cal the last 2 seasons. There are just no easy games when your team has so many changes. Cal needs to not lose to UCSD this year, that will show progress. Butler, Ole Miss and UCSD will give us more info, for sure.
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Yep I was one of those guys who rushed to judgment too early. After the last several years I should really know that even within a season, teams, players, coaches evolve. The other night it took a shot with 2 seconds left for UCLA to beat UCRiverside at Pauley. In this day and age with so many good players around anybody can beat anybody.
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