Cal may be screwed going forward, but I doubt seriously it will be because Stanford hired Kyle Smith. The ACC is a really good hoops league. Lots of good hoops programs and at some point Louisville probably becomes mcuh more competitive as well. The P12 has been better recently but the ACC is more consistent and the travel will be a concern.bearsandgiants said:
Saw this coming the moment we extended Madsen. We're ****ed.
lets see, interviewing Smith would be smart, so I guess the answer is noncbears said:
Smith is a more proven coach than Madsen. Did Knowlton even consider Smith last year? I do not recall.
When I discussed the possibility of hiring Smith to coach the men's team, JK thought that coaching both mens and womens teams would be too much of a challenge.ncbears said:
Smith is a more proven coach than Madsen. Did Knowlton even consider Smith last year? I do not recall.
ncbears said:
Smith is a more proven coach than Madsen. Did Knowlton even consider Smith last year? I do not recall.
The only thing he brings to Stanfurd is a proven track record of recruiting players who are smart, make their free throws and can shoot from the perimeter. Also has the ability to coach them up further to realize their potential within the first year. Other than that, though, no better than what we have at Cal, so we should be fine.RJABear said:
Good hire by Stanford. They will be tough for years to come.
My initial reaction to the news was, "F#ck!"
But you are giving Kyle the benefit of the doubt? He's an upgrade from Haase for sure, but he'll have a hard time with his 3 best returning players leaving. At least for next season. But over time, I can see him building like he did at USF and Wazzu.parentswerebears said:
That is an assumption. I'm not sure we will have two if the whales dont step up giving.
lolbearsandgiants said:The only thing he brings to Stanfurd is a proven track record of recruiting players who are smart, make their free throws and can shoot from the perimeter. Also has the ability to coach them up further to realize their potential within the first year. Other than that, though, no better than what we have at Cal, so we should be fine.RJABear said:
Good hire by Stanford. They will be tough for years to come.
My initial reaction to the news was, "F#ck!"
bearsandgiants said:
Saw this coming the moment we extended Madsen. We're ****ed.
KoreAmBear said:
Not good for us. We p(issed) away our chance to dominate the Bay while Dough Boy was in Palo Alto. Well I guess it's not a bad thing to have two strong ACC programs in California.
Cal88 said:bearsandgiants said:
Saw this coming the moment we extended Madsen. We're ****ed.
Smith has one NCAA tourney appearance and one NCAA win in 5 years at WSU. His record there in 5 years is 94-71 overall and 49-48 in the P12. His first two years he was 13-24 in the P12, so Madsen is well ahead of him in his first year.
barsad said:
Does this mean Stanford can lure back all their portal transfers, Raynaud in particular?
They were always able to do that. Hiring Smith does not change that. We will find out soon enough how those players feel about it.barsad said:
Does this mean Stanford can lure back all their portal transfers, Raynaud in particular?
Alkiadt said:Cal88 said:bearsandgiants said:
Saw this coming the moment we extended Madsen. We're ****ed.
Smith has one NCAA tourney appearance and one NCAA win in 5 years at WSU. His record there in 5 years is 94-71 overall and 49-48 in the P12. His first two years he was 13-24 in the P12, so Madsen is well ahead of him in his first year.
Smith had a career year at WSU and is a solid coach. But he never won a league championship. He never finished higher than 4th in the WCC. And until this year, never been to the NCAA's. And by the way, let's please not forget the fact that Madsen and Cal beat him at home this year.
What has changed to coincide with his best year ever was that he was going to be going back to the WCC (a two team NCAA bid conference) if he stayed at WSU, with Gonzaga right up the road in Spokane. Good luck with that, although it looks to be a potentially great rivalry in the Palouse for the next two years.
Time that with the Stanford opening, a great job with a housing allowance in Menlo Park/Palo Alto (maybe even live on campus?), and joining the ACC, which is likely an 8 or 9 team NCAA bid conference. Stanford holds on to coaches and he'll have plenty of patience to get it turned around . But it's not like they hired Coach K.
To say Cal was a better job than WSU was 5 years
ago would be wrong. At the time, he wanted the WSU job and was not interested in the Cal **** show job. It will be interesting to see if Stanford will adjust their transfer policies in this age of the portal.
Alkiadt said:Cal88 said:bearsandgiants said:
Saw this coming the moment we extended Madsen. We're ****ed.
Smith has one NCAA tourney appearance and one NCAA win in 5 years at WSU. His record there in 5 years is 94-71 overall and 49-48 in the P12. His first two years he was 13-24 in the P12, so Madsen is well ahead of him in his first year.
Smith had a career year at WSU and is a solid coach. But he never won a league championship. He never finished higher than 4th in the WCC. And until this year, never been to the NCAA's. And by the way, let's please not forget the fact that Madsen and Cal beat him at home this year.
What has changed to coincide with his best year ever was that he was going to be going back to the WCC (a two team NCAA bid conference) if he stayed at WSU, with Gonzaga right up the road in Spokane. Good luck with that, although it looks to be a potentially great rivalry in the Palouse for the next two years.
Time that with the Stanford opening, a great job with a housing allowance in Menlo Park/Palo Alto (maybe even live on campus?), and joining the ACC, which is likely an 8 or 9 team NCAA bid conference. Stanford holds on to coaches and he'll have plenty of patience to get it turned around . But it's not like they hired Coach K.
To say Cal was a better job than WSU was 5 years
ago would be wrong. At the time, he wanted the WSU job and was not interested in the Cal **** show job. It will be interesting to see if Stanford will adjust their transfer policies in this age of the portal.
wifeisafurd said:
Woah, I see nothing that guarantees either Furd or Cal become a dominate ACC basketball power. Both now have promising coaches. But for those of you who have not looked at basketball recruiting lately, the ACC is full of basketball programs with multi-million dollar payrolls. Furd looks to potentially never get into the NIL game, and getting transfers from the Portal is next impossible. Smith at least takes over a mediocre program assuming he can figure out continuity. He probably needs a new center, who undoubtedly will be a grad transfer and be paid severn figures by a good program, possibly even a ACC competitor. Smith also faces severe recruiting limitations on who he can recruit, that he has not faced for decades since he stared out at Columbia, and he not recruitng against the Ivy League this time around. Maden at least faces a less burdensome recruiting limitations and aversion to NIL. But he also took over a program that had bottomed-out,
A word of caution about Smith. His extensive record as a head coach belies also mixed success. This is the first season he even made NCAA post-season. He head coach career is marked by slow rebuilds, a final good season (where his best players graduate: for example this year his leading scorer and rebounder, and his second leading rebounder and best defensive player) and moving on the greener pastures. If and once he achieves initial success at Furd, history suggests he moves on to a bigger program, perhaps at a ACC competitor, where he can recruit anyone and rely on a deep NIL funded payroll.
With all that said, Smith clearly is a significant upgrade over Haase.
In his much shorter head coaching career, Madsen (Mark is 6 years younger than Smith) already has won a couple of league championships, something Smith has not done once. When I look at Mark's extensive playing career and assistant coaching positions, and compare personalities, I pick Madsen over Smith. I just see much more upside. But that, by itself, doesn't mean Mark will reach the upper esclon of the ACC. The competition gets way more more challenging than the Pac last year. I also expect that it will take Mark a few years of good recruiting and development to take Cal to the next level in the ACC.
calumnus said:Alkiadt said:Cal88 said:bearsandgiants said:
Saw this coming the moment we extended Madsen. We're ****ed.
Smith has one NCAA tourney appearance and one NCAA win in 5 years at WSU. His record there in 5 years is 94-71 overall and 49-48 in the P12. His first two years he was 13-24 in the P12, so Madsen is well ahead of him in his first year.
Smith had a career year at WSU and is a solid coach. But he never won a league championship. He never finished higher than 4th in the WCC. And until this year, never been to the NCAA's. And by the way, let's please not forget the fact that Madsen and Cal beat him at home this year.
What has changed to coincide with his best year ever was that he was going to be going back to the WCC (a two team NCAA bid conference) if he stayed at WSU, with Gonzaga right up the road in Spokane. Good luck with that, although it looks to be a potentially great rivalry in the Palouse for the next two years.
Time that with the Stanford opening, a great job with a housing allowance in Menlo Park/Palo Alto (maybe even live on campus?), and joining the ACC, which is likely an 8 or 9 team NCAA bid conference. Stanford holds on to coaches and he'll have plenty of patience to get it turned around . But it's not like they hired Coach K.
To say Cal was a better job than WSU was 5 years
ago would be wrong. At the time, he wanted the WSU job and was not interested in the Cal **** show job. It will be interesting to see if Stanford will adjust their transfer policies in this age of the portal.
WSU beat Arizona twice.
One NCAA appearance in a 14-year career is hardly a proven record.ncbears said:
Smith is a more proven coach than Madsen. Did Knowlton even consider Smith last year? I do not recall.
Alkiadt said:calumnus said:Alkiadt said:Cal88 said:bearsandgiants said:
Saw this coming the moment we extended Madsen. We're ****ed.
Smith has one NCAA tourney appearance and one NCAA win in 5 years at WSU. His record there in 5 years is 94-71 overall and 49-48 in the P12. His first two years he was 13-24 in the P12, so Madsen is well ahead of him in his first year.
Smith had a career year at WSU and is a solid coach. But he never won a league championship. He never finished higher than 4th in the WCC. And until this year, never been to the NCAA's. And by the way, let's please not forget the fact that Madsen and Cal beat him at home this year.
What has changed to coincide with his best year ever was that he was going to be going back to the WCC (a two team NCAA bid conference) if he stayed at WSU, with Gonzaga right up the road in Spokane. Good luck with that, although it looks to be a potentially great rivalry in the Palouse for the next two years.
Time that with the Stanford opening, a great job with a housing allowance in Menlo Park/Palo Alto (maybe even live on campus?), and joining the ACC, which is likely an 8 or 9 team NCAA bid conference. Stanford holds on to coaches and he'll have plenty of patience to get it turned around . But it's not like they hired Coach K.
To say Cal was a better job than WSU was 5 years
ago would be wrong. At the time, he wanted the WSU job and was not interested in the Cal **** show job. It will be interesting to see if Stanford will adjust their transfer policies in this age of the portal.
WSU beat Arizona twice.
Like I said, he had a great year.
And Oregon State, USC and Oregon also beat Arizona.
calumnus said:Alkiadt said:calumnus said:Alkiadt said:Cal88 said:bearsandgiants said:
Saw this coming the moment we extended Madsen. We're ****ed.
Smith has one NCAA tourney appearance and one NCAA win in 5 years at WSU. His record there in 5 years is 94-71 overall and 49-48 in the P12. His first two years he was 13-24 in the P12, so Madsen is well ahead of him in his first year.
Smith had a career year at WSU and is a solid coach. But he never won a league championship. He never finished higher than 4th in the WCC. And until this year, never been to the NCAA's. And by the way, let's please not forget the fact that Madsen and Cal beat him at home this year.
What has changed to coincide with his best year ever was that he was going to be going back to the WCC (a two team NCAA bid conference) if he stayed at WSU, with Gonzaga right up the road in Spokane. Good luck with that, although it looks to be a potentially great rivalry in the Palouse for the next two years.
Time that with the Stanford opening, a great job with a housing allowance in Menlo Park/Palo Alto (maybe even live on campus?), and joining the ACC, which is likely an 8 or 9 team NCAA bid conference. Stanford holds on to coaches and he'll have plenty of patience to get it turned around . But it's not like they hired Coach K.
To say Cal was a better job than WSU was 5 years
ago would be wrong. At the time, he wanted the WSU job and was not interested in the Cal **** show job. It will be interesting to see if Stanford will adjust their transfer policies in this age of the portal.
WSU beat Arizona twice.
Like I said, he had a great year.
And Oregon State, USC and Oregon also beat Arizona.
Not twice. WSU was the only game Arizona lost at McHale.
Before he took over at Columbia they had only 2 winning seasons (and barely) in the previous 25 years.
Smith took them to 25 wins, the most in over 124 years of Columbia basketball history. They did not win the Ivy that year, but Yale went on to beat #21 Baylor and then bow out in a close loss to #19 Duke. Columbia won the CIT, beating 28-9 Big West Champ UC Irvine in the Finals.
He then took over a USF team that went 15-15 the previous year and had mostly losing seasons this century and won 20, 21and 22 games, before taking the WSU job.
WSU had had 7 straight losing seasons when Smith took the job. A handful of winning seasons in the prior 25 years (mostly the 3 years Tony Bennett was there). Smith went 25-10, nearly won the PAC-12 Championship. Statistically it is the second best team in over 124 years of WSU history.
Kyle Smith is a good coach. He is a program builder in 3 straight jobs.
Mark Madsen took over a Utah Valley program that went 25-10 the year before under Mark Pope and went 11-19, before building back to 28-9 three years later.
Madden is nicer. Smith is smarter.
I am happy enough with Madsen given it was Knowlton doing the hiring and hopefully he has a winning record next year and improves from there.
