More thoughts on assists

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SFCityBear
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I think most of us agree that Cal has more problems on the defensive side, because our weaknesses there are preventing us from winning some or many of these games.

On the offensive side, the team seldom looks good, especially in ACC games, and we haven't played many of the better teams in this conference yet. What about the argument that we need more assists?

Assists are so important, because they always involve more than one player, and a lot of or maybe most of the time, they involve more than two players. This helps players feel like they did something to help each other, cooperate for a successful result. The best point guards I ever played with would rather make that pass for an assist than take and make the shot themselves. I feel that Jason Kidd felt that way. I played on two teams with great point guards. They both told me, "If I'm looking at you, you probably won't get the ball. But if I'm not looking at you, you will probably get the ball. So be alert." (This was after I was hit with a pass in the face.)

There are many details, but the main idea is that there are feints and trickery involved to deceive the defenders, for both the passer and the guy he selects to reward with a pass for an easy bucket. It is, or was, a big part of the fun of basketball.

When I watch this Cal team on offense, I see many plays where a player drives to the basket, and he gets stopped by the defense, forcing him to either (1)take a shot with the defender all over him, a bad shot, or (2)stop and back the ball out and look for another opening for a shot, or (3) look for a teammate to whom to pass the ball. Seldom does option #3 result in an open shot at an easy, makeable basket. What we have on this roster are very few players who look for both the shot for themselves, while at the same time looking for a teammate who might be moving into position to get open for a better shot. It often seems like the only time the player with the ball on the drive ever passes to a teammate is when he gets stopped by the defense and can't see anything better to do.

On the other hand, if the player with the ball too often takes the shot himself, failing to see a teammate with an better opportunity to score, then players will stop wasting the energy and time to try and get open for a shot. The main point is that the guy with the ball usually doesn't pass it until he first gets stopped by the defense. The assist should be an aggressive play, not a 2nd or 3rd best choice, a safety valve, so to speak.

We are playing in the ACC, currently the weakest (by far, if you believe the AP Poll) of the 4 power conferences). Cal is dead last in assists out of 18 teams in the ACC, at 10.2 assists per game, and to make matters worse, Cal is 357th in the NCAA in assists. (Those are Mark Fox numbers. Remember him?) There is only one ACC team, Duke, which is ranked in the AP Poll, and only 3 others who had received the votes to be ranked, but now have dropped out of the rankings. Duke averages 17.3 assists per game. Most ACC teams average 13 or more assists per game. Wake Forest is currently in 4th place in the ACC, and they average only 11.9 assists, but they have had the weakest Strength of Schedule in the ACC so far. Duke is in first place in the ACC, and they make 17.3 assists per game.

More important is the ratio of Assists to Field Goals made. This tells us how many baskets were the result of an assist, indicating some teamwork took place. Cal has an A/FGM ratio of 0.400, the lowest in the ACC. The first place team, Duke, has the best A/FGM ratio in the ACC , at 0.609.

I think we should be not be pursuing assists as a stat per se, but we do need to start playing together more, and start moving to get open, and when you have the ball, be looking for an open teammate. Otherwise we will not become competitive or respected in this conference.


























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HoopDreams
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very good post SF

I'm one of the defenders of the lack of assists, but that's probably being misunderstood.

My main points were:

1) we play bad defense
2) we play bad defense
3) we play bad defense
4) we play adequate offense to win some ACC games if it weren't for 1, 2 and 3

Specifically about assists, I said our offense is heavy on dribble handoffs which are actions that lead to baskets or fouls but are not credited as an assist.

Our Offensive Efficiency is #82 (#11 in ACC)
(we are #47 in getting to the line (#8 in ACC)

But we are:
#242 Defensive Efficiency (#17 in ACC), and #332 in 3 point defense (#17 ACC)

Would it be great to have more assists and better offense? YES

But at this point in the season I think it's more likely we can improve our defense
RedlessWardrobe
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Seems everyone here agrees the biggest issue is team defense.

And back to the "assist issue", SFCB makes several good points, but the fact remains, if someone driving to the hoop feels that their chances of converting are better than dishing, it still makes more sense to attempt the shot. Attempting the assist just for the sake of getting an assist can be counter productive.

I also think this team's assist stats are skewed, simply because it doesn't shoot the ball well. It's the "cart before the horse" theory. If we made more shots, our assists numbers would ultimately be higher. Regardless of how we score points, there's no doubt this team would be more effective if it could reduce the turnovers. I know I'm stating the obvious, but there's no chance of scoring when you turn the ball over, and often those turnovers lead to easy baskets by the opponent. We've been watching that all year long.
HoopDreams
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yeah

5) turnovers

bearchamp
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Just because a player drives to the hoop and "thinks" he has a shot doesn't mean he has a shot. Watch the Warriors for instance, and how often a player appears to have a layup, but passes to an outside shooter. Just making the pass makes the defense move and adjust. Just driving and shooting all the time makes it easy for the defense.
socaltownie
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I think the issue is that our main offense - because of limitations with our offensive players - is DRIVING to the rim. We have 3 or 4 guys that do that well. We DON"T have (especially at the three or 4) guys that are good set three point shooters. So the penetrate and kick just isn't there. We don't have good interior passing big men - so a lot of the pocket passing between the blocks isn't there as well.

This team isn't offensively challenged. It could improve its efficiency but generally speaking it can score. It needs to defend MUCH better. Today we did a BIT better fighting through screens and defending but we still give up a ton of easy shots off the high screen.
Take care of your Chicken
RodBenson
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I did a video breaking some of this down. It should go up today. But check out our spacing and movement... It's not great
RedlessWardrobe
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bearchamp said:

Just because a player drives to the hoop and "thinks" he has a shot doesn't mean he has a shot. Watch the Warriors for instance, and how often a player appears to have a layup, but passes to an outside shooter. Just making the pass makes the defense move and adjust. Just driving and shooting all the time makes it easy for the defense.
I completely agree with you, it doesn't automatically mean shooting is the right option. But my point was, that even if the driver is aware that he has the option to pass, that doesn't mean he does it just to satisfy a quota of passes. A basketball player will always follow his instincts, no matter what it is. It would be like telling a player, "if you drive to the hoop 5 times, even if every time you feel shooting is the best option, make sure to pass one time out of five." It just doesn't work that way, you can't expect a basketball player to do that.

Also, using the Warriors or any NBA team as an example is a little apples/oranges. NBA players are the best in the world. Also, even if you're gonna do it, not sure the Warriors are the team to be using right now.
KoreAmBear
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RodBenson said:

I did a video breaking some of this down. It should go up today. But check out our spacing and movement... It's not great
Seems like an ongoing theme, Rod.

But what is the root of this? Coaching? Individual agendas? Lack of commitment to fundamentals? All of the above?
bearchamp
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The issue to be addressed via coaching is accurately determining that a pass is a better option that a prayer floater. Also, passing tends to be contagious, so even with a good shooting opportunity, a pass may be the better option for the team. Finally, I am sure the stats will show that all of the players shoot a much higher percentage when shooting unguarded. Passing leads to unguarded shots.
HKBear97!
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RedlessWardrobe said:

bearchamp said:

Just because a player drives to the hoop and "thinks" he has a shot doesn't mean he has a shot. Watch the Warriors for instance, and how often a player appears to have a layup, but passes to an outside shooter. Just making the pass makes the defense move and adjust. Just driving and shooting all the time makes it easy for the defense.
I completely agree with you, it doesn't automatically mean shooting is the right option. But my point was, that even if the driver is aware that he has the option to pass, that doesn't mean he does it just to satisfy a quota of passes. A basketball player will always follow his instincts, no matter what it is. It would be like telling a player, "if you drive to the hoop 5 times, even if every time you feel shooting is the best option, make sure to pass one time out of five." It just doesn't work that way, you can't expect a basketball player to do that.

Also, using the Warriors or any NBA team as an example is a little apples/oranges. NBA players are the best in the world. Also, even if you're gonna do it, not sure the Warriors are the team to be using right now.
"A basketball player will always follow his instincts" - that may be it right there. At times these players seem to think they can take the one-on-several-defenders shots when the better instinct would be to set up the offense (i.e. pass). If there's no one to pass to, than that's an issue with coaching.
HoopDreams
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totally agree off ball player movement is poor once the ball goes to a player who has that 'look in their eyes

I think part of the problem is the players just haven't gotten familiar with each other nor the offense to make it instinctive, plus we seem to lack those players who are natural passers (exceptions maybe pass-first Tucker and Vlad (who I think is the best natural passer)

of course neither play much with Tucker's limitations elsewhere and Vlad's health
Johnfox
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Wonder what happened to Christian Tucker. He was really solid at UTSA and looked like a starting point guard, but seems like he lost confidence.
concernedparent
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Johnfox said:



Wonder what happened to Christian Tucker. He was really solid at UTSA and looked like a starting point guard, but seems like he lost confidence.
He's outmatched athletically but I'd like to see him get more run on nights when Blacksher is struggling.
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