Kawakami & Poole on Monty

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tsubamoto2001
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Whatever your opinion is on the matter, I do feel these columns are interesting. (HoopDreams has the Grantland link in the post below.)

Honestly, I feel Monty is feeling the pressure of winning, which is what led him to do what he did. I think he expected to have more success than he's currently had here. He badly wants to add another tournament appearance to his Cal resume. I just hope this doesn't hurt recruiting, but that might be wishful thinking. But then again, John Calipari has had public dust-ups with players and he obviously doesn't struggle with recruiting.

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There is something going on here, maybe mostly under the surface, but it showed up in a hugely public way last night.

Maybe Montgomery's feeling a little extra pressure in his fifth season at Cal -- he has three tournament appearances and could be heading to his fourth this season.

But Cal only has one tournament win and flopped in a play-in round last season. Some local talent has recently headed elsewhere (Arizona, in particular).

Maybe the push to make it this season is jangling some nerves. Maybe we are seeing some fraying and raw public anxiety. It's possible Montgomery believes this period is a make-or-break situation -- either this month or this season or these several seasons.

Sometimes that kind of pressure brings out the best in players and coaches, and sometimes it brings out the worst.

Last night, it brought out the best in Crabbe, and the worst in Montgomery.

Just think about where this could've gone...

Crabbe could have screamed back at Montgomery and -- given Montgomery's level of agitation -- possibly triggered an even more embarrassing Montgomery reaction.

Crabbe, probably the best player in the Pac-12 this season -- could have refused to return to the game despite the coaxing of his teammates.

Crabbe could have stunk it up on the court when he returned, or he could have blasted Montgomery (or refused comment) afterwards.

Any of those responses -- again, natural responses -- could've ended Montgomery's Cal career, if not immediately, at least by the end of the season.

If Crabbe never wanted to play for Montgomery again, I don't know what Cal and Barbour would've or could've done next.

But Crabbe sloughed it off, and he played tremendously.

That's partial justification for the shove, but not close to fully explaining or absolving Montgomery for it. And it shouldn't be who he is now. It just can't be.

If this is who he is now, if he's changed that much, then a lot of what we think about Mike Montgomery -- and his career -- will change, too.


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I'd like to be confident, too. I like Mike. I think he's a solid guy and an excellent college basketball coach, even if his work in five seasons at Cal is has not been as impressive as it was during his 18 years at Stanford.

Problem is that Montgomery wants consistent intensity, the ultra-talented Crabbe is not wired to deliver it and this gets under the coach's skin.

The bigger problem for Montgomery and for Cal is that this has happened before, and not so long ago.

Though the Montgomery-Crabbe scene surely stunned those who witnessed it unfold, it only shocked those who missed a similar incident between Montgomery and another player, guard Justin Cobbs, a few weeks ago.

One such incident should raise eyebrows and result in nothing less than a warning. A second incident, however, sounds an alarm and calls for a measure of discipline to be meted out by Barbour or the Pac-12 Conference.

Neither the school nor the conference can allow this kind of conduct, nor should they accept it. Cal 20 years ago dumped former coach Lou Campanelli for being abusive, though Lou's alleged abuse was verbal and pushed the team to the brink of revolt.

Campanelli never got another head coaching job -- and that was before society had evolved to the point of organized and potent anti-bullying messages.

Montgomery is nearly 66 years old. He survived a serious health scare in 2011. He's probably working on his last contract, one that runs through 2015.

And, yes, maybe his tantrum spurred Crabbe, who responded with a game-high 23 points.

But does Montgomery really want to ride into the sunset with diminished dignity, as the coach whose temper ran amok near the end? Like, for example, Ohio State's legendary football coach Woody Hayes?

Or worse, does Mike really want to be shoved into retirement because his own actions left his boss with no alternative?
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http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/51259/the-hardcourt-shuffle-college-basketball-gets-even-more-confusing
tsubamoto2001
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HoopDreams;842083202 said:

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/51259/the-hardcourt-shuffle-college-basketball-gets-even-more-confusing


Really good take from the Grantland writer. Agree with just about all of it. Probably the best, most even-keeled take I've read so far.
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imho coach did what he thought was best at that time. i do not view it as right or wrong behavior. as a parent, i would of asked him why and if his explanation was honest and sincere that would be good enough for me.

i believe coach came back from an operation last year that involved cancer. he sees the potential of this team better than any of us. clearly, what i saw last night was a coach passionate about his players and their success.
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tsubamoto2001;842083218 said:

Really good take from the Grantland writer. Agree with just about all of it. Probably the best, most even-keeled take I've read so far.



The Grantland piece cites Eisenberg's take on it, which is also worth reading:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger-college-basketball-blog/did-cal-coach-mike-montgomery-cross-line-shoving-065850357--ncaab.html
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ShoutsOfNothingness;842083219 said:

imho coach did what he thought was best at that time. i do not view it as right or wrong behavior. as a parent, i would of asked him why and if his explanation was honest and sincere that would be good enough for me.

i believe coach came back from an operation last year that involved cancer. he sees the potential of this team better than any of us. clearly, what i saw last night was a coach passionate about his players and their success.


+1 I agree totally. No harm from the shove other than what alarmist media and fans want to make of it.
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tsubamoto2001;842083218 said:

Really good take from the Grantland writer. Agree with just about all of it. Probably the best, most even-keeled take I've read so far.


He's a former player and has a great deal of credibility.
Montgomery should not be shoving him because... the media is what it is and it looks bad. We could also be small minded and say because it might hurt recruiting. But mainly because it shows poor impulse control and leadership and has the risk of going to the next level of badness. Crabbe pushing back. Crabbe refusing to come onto the floor. Crabbe losing his balance because a teammates leg is behind him and he falls down. Same deed... looks way worse.

But overall our fan judgments are going to be limited because we don't know the relationship between player and coach. I guess, time will tell.
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tsubamoto2001;842083218 said:

Really good take from the Grantland writer. Agree with just about all of it. Probably the best, most even-keeled take I've read so far.


Right on! It's good to finally have someone talk about the incident with some perspective and common sense. I'm amazed at how many "holier than thou" types on this board and in the media are blowing this out of proportion and making it into a bigger deal than it was. Time to put this behind us and move on to Oregon.
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If the team continues to evolve in a positive, winning way, as we all hope, then "yesterday's news is history."

However, if "cancer" breaks out and starts metastasizing in nefarious ways...it will be "Katy bar the door...."
Golden One
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I'll bet that neither one of these clowns was at the game.
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tsubamoto2001;842083196 said:

Whatever your opinion is on the matter, I do feel these columns are interesting. (HoopDreams has the Grantland link in the post below.)

Honestly, I feel Monty is feeling the pressure of winning, which is what led him to do what he did. I think he expected to have more success than he's currently had here. He badly wants to add another tournament appearance to his Cal resume. I just hope this doesn't hurt recruiting, but that might be wishful thinking. But then again, John Calipari has had public dust-ups with players and he obviously doesn't struggle with recruiting.

Kawakami



Poole


Don't think much of either writer. Poole is neither bright nor knowledgeable.
79 Bear
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Been reading the comments to the ESPN article about the incident. Probably 9 to 1 or better in favor of both Monty and Crabbe. One of my favorites:

Hey Guys, I know that the "incident" seemed to galvanize the team, and the official scoreboard said that Cal came back and won... But honestly, both teams played hard and deserved to win. IT'S A TIE, WE ALL WIN AND GET TROPHIES, YAY!
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Golden One;842083238 said:

Right on! It's good to finally have someone talk about the incident with some perspective and common sense. I'm amazed at how many "holier than thou" types on this board and in the media are blowing this out of proportion and making it into a bigger deal than it was. Time to put this behind us and move on to Oregon.


I also think that this article is good. How does what he wrote differ from anything that any of us so-called holier-than-thou types said? For example:

1. Montgomery made a mistake.

That sounds a lot like what many here have said:

"Monty shouldn't have done that."

Someone in authority can make a mistake with young adults or kids without it rising anywhere near the level of Sandusky-ian behavior. If someone characterized it as such, quote him. I haven't read it here.
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ShoutsOfNothingness;842083219 said:

imho coach did what he thought was best at that time. i do not view it as right or wrong behavior. as a parent, i would of asked him why and if his explanation was honest and sincere that would be good enough for me.

i believe coach came back from an operation last year that involved cancer. he sees the potential of this team better than any of us. clearly, what i saw last night was a coach passionate about his players and their success.


I don't think he "did what he thought was best at that time". I think, for a split second, he lost control.
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Thurman has good advice for us all....


Robert Thurman ‏@Th3Thurmin4tor
People are definitely taking 'the shove' out of proportion! Leave it alone and enjoy the show we are putting on in the PAC-12. #GoBears
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tsubamoto2001;842083218 said:

Really good take from the Grantland writer. Agree with just about all of it. Probably the best, most even-keeled take I've read so far.


Grantland report was much, much better than Kawakami's or Poole's reports.
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TheBears;842083320 said:

I also think that this article is good. How does what he wrote differ from anything that any of us so-called holier-than-thou types said? For example:

1. Montgomery made a mistake.

That sounds a lot like what many here have said:

"Monty shouldn't have done that."

Someone in authority can make a mistake with young adults or kids without it rising anywhere near the level of Sandusky-ian behavior. If someone characterized it as such, quote him. I haven't read it here.


Come on now, get real.
Grantland's "Montgomery made a mistake" is very different from the "Montgomery made a mistake" stated by many of the BI posters and Kawakami and Poole.
I assume your comment is facetious.
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GivemTheAxe;842083341 said:

Come on now, get real.
Grantland's "Montgomery made a mistake" is very different from the "Montgomery made a mistake" stated by many of the BI posters and Kawakami and Poole.
I assume your comment is facetious.


No, it wasn't. Here are some BI comments that I liked. I could give a gnat's ass what Kawakami and Poole think, so I didn't read what they wrote.

calgldnbear;842082583 said:

I won't defend Monty and I think the "shove" did cross the line (not way over but over nonetheless) but Monty is old school (not an excuse)

It is something that happened and hopefully will be not redone and rehashed in the future. All parties involved can grow and learn from it to make it a positive thing going forward


59bear;842082628 said:

And I'm not buying the causal effect on Crabbe's play although I'll concede it might be possible. I don't have a problem with a coach barking at a player but the only justification for putting on of hands is to preventviolence or injury.



antipattern;842082666 said:

It's a big deal because a big deal will be made of it, for my part anyway that's what I'm disappointed in. Since the Bobby Knight days putting your hands on a player is considered to be crossing a line, this is just the way it is regardless of how any of us feel about it. Even on this message board, it's overshadowing a great win. I wish he didn't do it, so go ahead and call me a pansy if it makes you feel more manly.
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assuming this goes away, and it should ,the real question is how will this affect future recruiting
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Some day the "Shove" will be recalled as the "Human Defibrillator" that woke up this player's heart and led him to a long and successful career in life and basketball.
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annarborbear;842083394 said:

Some day the "Shove" will be recalled as the "Human Defibrillator" that woke up this player's heart and led him to a long and successful career in life and basketball.


I understand the desire to defend our coach, but you are doing our player a disservice.

Crabbe was already the Pac-12's leading scorer--almost sure to be Player of the Year. Crabbe was the Pac-12 Player of the Week the previous week scoring 31 at Arizona (19 in the second half) and had just scored 21 in our win over UCLA.

Even after he came back in he looked shook up and missed his next three shots. It took him 8 minutes to score again.

You might remember it in the way you are romanticizing it, but that does not make it true. Crabbe had heart and was a success before the incident and would have been a success without it.

We are winning now because Kravish, Solomon and Thurman have improved their play and Smith is back from injury. Crabbe has been great all along.
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There will never be proof one way or another as to what motivated Allen late in the game.

However, he was acting like a child and not playing defensively to a high standard when Monty lost it.

Let's not make out as though there was no basis for Monty's discomfort with Allen's effort.

Regrettable as Monty's behavior was, it did not come out of the blue.

Go Bears!
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tsubamoto2001;842083196 said:

Whatever your opinion is on the matter, I do feel these columns are interesting. (HoopDreams has the Grantland link in the post below.)

Honestly, I feel Monty is feeling the pressure of winning, which is what led him to do what he did. I think he expected to have more success than he's currently had here. He badly wants to add another tournament appearance to his Cal resume. I just hope this doesn't hurt recruiting, but that might be wishful thinking. But then again, John Calipari has had public dust-ups with players and he obviously doesn't struggle with recruiting.

Kawakami



Poole

I wasn't able to see the game, and after reading all sorts of stuff about "the shove" I finally saw a video of it today. Over the line, but when Kawakami starts trying to characterize it as a "punch-shove" he should be shown how different a punch is from that push. In any event, he didn't have much interesting to say but spent a lot of time talking about it, as usual. His only decent point was that Crabbe's reaction made the whole thing less explosive, but perhaps Crabbe's reaction stems from his relationship with Monty. I don't get the sense Kawakami knows any better than I do if that's the case.

Poole's column was interesting because he was right out of the box with it before the national bandwagon jumpers got on it. Poole's always been player-oriented but his take was fairly rational.

I think Monty didn't read the situation correctly after the game, and let his pugnacious side and his snarky humor take over when he should have been more politic. If he had said what his later statement said, much of this would have blown over despite the slow news period.

I'd also just say from experience that as one gets older it seems like patience wears a bit thinner. I've thought all season long that Monty seemed more frustrated with this team than I've ever seen him, starting with the Wisconsin game. Frustration with lack of toughness and sometimes lack of effort. And probably with injuries and maybe with recruiting difficulties. As the season has gone along he's become much more active and animated and sometimes angry on the sidelines.

The thing is, it seems to be working. The energy and toughness of this team right now is miles beyond where they were a few weeks back. So this latest thing might just be a natural extension of something that's been working for him. The problem, if so, is that he needs to realize where the line is drawn. Even if the player doesn't have a problem (not saying he does or doesn't) the public perception is harmful and that line is just a fact of modern day coaching.

Monty's a smart coach and I'm sure he'll be more cognizant of such things in the future, but I hope for everyone's sake that next year's team takes his message earlier and easier than this one has.
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bluesaxe;842083456 said:

I wasn't able to see the game, and after reading all sorts of stuff about "the shove" I finally saw a video of it today. Over the line, but when Kawakami starts trying to characterize it as a "punch-shove" he should be shown how different a punch is from that push. In any event, he didn't have much interesting to say but spent a lot of time talking about it, as usual. His only decent point was that Crabbe's reaction made the whole thing less explosive, but perhaps Crabbe's reaction stems from his relationship with Monty. I don't get the sense Kawakami knows any better than I do if that's the case.

Poole's column was interesting because he was right out of the box with it before the national bandwagon jumpers got on it. Poole's always been player-oriented but his take was fairly rational.

I think Monty didn't read the situation correctly after the game, and let his pugnacious side and his snarky humor take over when he should have been more politic. If he had said what his later statement said, much of this would have blown over despite the slow news period.

I'd also just say from experience that as one gets older it seems like patience wears a bit thinner. I've thought all season long that Monty seemed more frustrated with this team than I've ever seen him, starting with the Wisconsin game. Frustration with lack of toughness and sometimes lack of effort. And probably with injuries and maybe with recruiting difficulties. As the season has gone along he's become much more active and animated and sometimes angry on the sidelines.

The thing is, it seems to be working. The energy and toughness of this team right now is miles beyond where they were a few weeks back. So this latest thing might just be a natural extension of something that's been working for him. The problem, if so, is that he needs to realize where the line is drawn. Even if the player doesn't have a problem (not saying he does or doesn't) the public perception is harmful and that line is just a fact of modern day coaching.

Monty's a smart coach and I'm sure he'll be more cognizant of such things in the future, but I hope for everyone's sake that next year's team takes his message earlier and easier than this one has.


Excellent post, Bluesaxe.

Go Bears.
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south bender;842083451 said:

There will never be proof one way or another as to what motivated Allen late in the game.

However, he was acting like a child and not playing defensively to a high standard when Monty lost it.

Let's not make out as though there was no basis for Monty's discomfort with Allen's effort.

Regrettable as Monty's behavior was, it did not come out of the blue.

Go Bears!


There is a difference between saying Crabbe needed to be coached in that moment when he was discouraged by SC's defense and after a defensive mistake and saying that the shove will be remembered as what finally made him become a great player and gave him a great career. Crabbe was already well on his way to Pac-12 Player of the Year. Of course, Monty called timeout for a reason and needed to coach Crabbe and the team.

Monty shoving a player (especially his star player with the character of an Allen Crabbe) was a huge mistake. What I said at the time was that even if it was effective at the time (I don't think so, but I can see why some do, we will never really know) it will be very counter-productive in the long-run and we are seeing that. It is one thing to forgive and forget it, but let's not go the other way and romanticize and celebrate it.
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TheBears;842083347 said:

No, it wasn't. Here are some BI comments that I liked. I could give a gnat's ass what Kawakami and Poole think, so I didn't read what they wrote.

He's talking about the Grantland article. That has a very different take on the situation than either of the articles you mentioned, and very different from the comments you posted.
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HoopDreams;842083202 said:

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/51259/the-hardcourt-shuffle-college-basketball-gets-even-more-confusing

I tend to agree with that article more than any of the others.
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calumnus;842083462 said:

Monty shoving a player (especially his star player with the character of an Allen Crabbe) was a huge mistake. What I said at the time was that even if it was effective at the time (I don't think so, but I can see why some do, we will never really know) it will be very counter-productive in the long-run and we are seeing that. It is one thing to forgive and forget it, but let's not go the other way and romanticize and celebrate it.

My first post on 'shove-gate': Monty crossed the line -- he must not touch his players in anger again.

Looking ahead, it is hard to predict whether this team will fold its tent as a result, but I agree that the season is 'different' now and Monty and the guys will proceed with a lot more national media scrutiny -- it will test their character and relationship to each other.
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bluesaxe;842083478 said:

I tend to agree with that article more than any of the others.


Yeah, I think that article pretty much hits all the points and does so succinctly.
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I really hate Kawakami and all that crap that he spews.
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calumnus;842083437 said:

I understand the desire to defend our coach, but you are doing our player a disservice.

Crabbe was already the Pac-12's leading scorer--almost sure to be Player of the Year. Crabbe was the Pac-12 Player of the Week the previous week scoring 31 at Arizona (19 in the second half) and had just scored 21 in our win over UCLA.

Even after he came back in he looked shook up and missed his next three shots. It took him 8 minutes to score again.

You might remember it in the way you are romanticizing it, but that does not make it true. Crabbe had heart and was a success before the incident and would have been a success without it.

We are winning now because Kravish, Solomon and Thurman have improved their play and Smith is back from injury. Crabbe has been great all along.

No, Crabbe has not been great all along. His play took a downturn just like the team's play took a downturn. It wasn't just the bigs, it was the guards as well.

That's not to say Crabbe hasn't been our best player, but the guy who showed up at Arizona was MIA for a stretch and it cost the team. His play can be infuriating because his intensity level ebbs and flows.

This is not a knock on Alan as a person, or even as a player so much. He's unselfish, team-oriented, seems like a nice guy, and that's almost part of the issue with him. He also gets down on himself and at times give up for stretches. If he wants to be the player he can be, he needs to play hard all game long no matter if he's getting pushed, shoved, kicked or beaten. He needs some Jorge in him. And I think that's what Montgomery is pushing for, harder and harder, especially as it became obvious we were going to be without Kreklow. Because Crabbe's personality has been reflected a bit too much by the team's personality, since he's the best player.

I'm impressed that the team mentality seems to be changing in a good way. I'm impressed that Crabbe is a bit more fiery and is playing the way he's playing. I credit both players and coaches for that. But they definitely needed a fire lit under their collective ass and pats on the back don't motivate some guys.

I'm not saying Monty should be shoving people, just that I don't see what's going on the same way you do. I think Monty is doing a hell of a coaching job right now, and that we should probably all take Thurman's advice and chill out.
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I'm too lazy too check the facts, but I lost respect for Kawakami many years ago.. He always tends to have a stick up his a$$ against cal and similarly with Montgomery. I don't know if his Monty bias extends to his tenure at Stanford, but I do recall biased comments from Kawakami when Monty was doing TV commentary, before he became Cal's coach.

Monte Poole - does not seem to share the same anti-bias as Kawakami.

Now, I'll admit that I can stomach a little homerism more than the anti-bais. However, in both cases, I wish he would not be referred to as a journalist or reporter, since he seems pretty crappy at reporting anything in a journal.

:axe
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bluesaxe;842083494 said:

No, Crabbe has not been great all along. His play took a downturn just like the team's play took a downturn. It wasn't just the bigs, it was the guards as well.

That's not to say Crabbe hasn't been our best player, but the guy who showed up at Arizona was MIA for a stretch and it cost the team. His play can be infuriating because his intensity level ebbs and flows.

This is not a knock on Alan as a person, or even as a player so much. He's unselfish, team-oriented, seems like a nice guy, and that's almost part of the issue with him. He also gets down on himself and at times give up for stretches. If he wants to be the player he can be, he needs to play hard all game long no matter if he's getting pushed, shoved, kicked or beaten. He needs some Jorge in him. And I think that's what Montgomery is pushing for, harder and harder, especially as it became obvious we were going to be without Kreklow. Because Crabbe's personality has been reflected a bit too much by the team's personality, since he's the best player.

I'm impressed that the team mentality seems to be changing in a good way. I'm impressed that Crabbe is a bit more fiery and is playing the way he's playing. I credit both players and coaches for that. But they definitely needed a fire lit under their collective ass and pats on the back don't motivate some guys.

I'm not saying Monty should be shoving people, just that I don't see what's going on the same way you do. I think Monty is doing a hell of a coaching job right now, and that we should probably all take Thurman's advice and chill out.


Monty has been yelling all season. It has been noticeable all along and has been a big contrast to prior years. Our downturn was when teams started focusing on just stopping Crabbe and Cobbs (and we lost Smith) and our bigs could not step up. Crabbe has had his ups and downs, but he is still the Pac-12's leading scorer and is the favorite to win Pac-12 Player of the Year. That is a lot more up than down. Even Kobe and Lebron have off-nights.

Solomon's improvement appeared to be when Monty stopped yelling at him constantly from the bench and assigned DeCuire to coach him from the sideline. Our run of good play has been with the emergence of Solomon and Kravish--neither of whom appear to respond well to yelling. Their confidence now is noticeable.

As a kid I sat next to John Wooden at UCLA practices. I sat behind him during games (my dad was a Pac-8 ref at the time). Wooden taught that to earn respect you had to show respect to your student athletes. I never heard him yell at a player, much less shove a player in anger. Yet, he was a superb motivator. In fact, motivation was his primary focus.

You can "light a fire" under a person without insulting them and without shoving them. You can be emotional and fired up in a positive way. The best locker room speeches are both passionate and inspirational. Here is just one of the many books my dad written on the coaching which emphasizes that times have changed: https://www.coacheschoice.com/m-159-george-a-selleck.aspx

The thing is, Monty knows all this. He was generally a teacher at Stanford and in prior years here. I am pretty sure he had some involvement with the Positive Coaching Alliance LINK, which was founded at Stanford. He might yell at refs, but he rarely yelled at or insulted a player, much less shoved them. The worst from him was usually a disapproving glare or a sarcastic quip. You have an issue with Crabbe, did you eve see Josh Childress play in college? Did Monty ever shove him in a game to motivate him? Something is different this year, and as I said, it has been noticeable from Day 1. When he shoved Cobbs I was alarmed, glad it was not made into a big deal, but hoped it wouldn't happen again. Unfortunately it did. Hope Monty gets it now, this blows over so it is not more of a distraction and we can get back to winning.
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calumnus;842083462 said:

There is a difference between saying Crabbe needed to be coached in that moment when he was discouraged by SC's defense and after a defensive mistake and saying that the shove will be remembered as what finally made him become a great player and gave him a great career. Crabbe was already well on his way to Pac-12 Player of the Year. Of course, Monty called timeout for a reason and needed to coach Crabbe and the team.

Monty shoving a player (especially his star player with the character of an Allen Crabbe) was a huge mistake. What I said at the time was that even if it was effective at the time (I don't think so, but I can see why some do, we will never really know) it will be very counter-productive in the long-run and we are seeing that. It is one thing to forgive and forget it, but let's not go the other way and romanticize and celebrate it.


What does anything you have written have to do with anything that I wrote?

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bluesaxe;842083494 said:

No, Crabbe has not been great all along. His play took a downturn just like the team's play took a downturn. It wasn't just the bigs, it was the guards as well.

That's not to say Crabbe hasn't been our best player, but the guy who showed up at Arizona was MIA for a stretch and it cost the team. His play can be infuriating because his intensity level ebbs and flows.

This is not a knock on Alan as a person, or even as a player so much. He's unselfish, team-oriented, seems like a nice guy, and that's almost part of the issue with him. He also gets down on himself and at times give up for stretches. If he wants to be the player he can be, he needs to play hard all game long no matter if he's getting pushed, shoved, kicked or beaten. He needs some Jorge in him. And I think that's what Montgomery is pushing for, harder and harder, especially as it became obvious we were going to be without Kreklow. Because Crabbe's personality has been reflected a bit too much by the team's personality, since he's the best player.

I'm impressed that the team mentality seems to be changing in a good way. I'm impressed that Crabbe is a bit more fiery and is playing the way he's playing. I credit both players and coaches for that. But they definitely needed a fire lit under their collective ass and pats on the back don't motivate some guys.

I'm not saying Monty should be shoving people, just that I don't see what's going on the same way you do. I think Monty is doing a hell of a coaching job right now, and that we should probably all take Thurman's advice and chill out.


Great post, blusesaxe!
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