That blocking call on Thurman was not even close. Text book charge. I am appalled.

blungld;842102693 said:

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That blocking call on Thurman was not even close. Text book charge. I am appalled.

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Text book example of refs favoring the losing team.

I dunno, on replay Thurman looked planted but then picked up one foot right before contact, I don't think you can say he is set with one foot in the air.

Who cares. Fricking complain about something else.

rkt88edmo;842102873 said:

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I dunno, on replay Thurman looked planted but then picked up one foot right before contact, I don't think you can say he is set with one foot in the air.

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It isn't about being set so much as having position ... It was clearly a charge

Yes, unless the driver is entitled to the next 20 feet once he starts toward the basket, that was a charge. The refs were horrendous.

calgldnbear;842102878 said:

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It isn't about being set so much as having position ... It was clearly a charge

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Not really, you have to have your position set (i.e. feet set). Although I think Thurman in real tie was set enough.

If he had been stationary any longer, roots would have sprouted from his shoes...terrible call

CALiforniALUM;842102885 said:

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Not really, you have to have your position set (i.e. feet set). Although I think Thurman in real tie was set enough.

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There's no requirement that the feet are set at the time of contact. The player has to establish position and afterwards can backpedal or even jump. If a defender is backpedaling and an offensive player runs over him, that can be called a charge.

There's a whole section on legal defending position in the rulebook. The feet don't have to be set to establish an initial legal guarding position.

Refs were horrible. Larry Scott should give them a lifetime contract. They would fit right in.

blungld;842102693 said:

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That blocking call on Thurman was not even close. Text book charge. I am appalled.

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That was just a terrible officiating crew. What does it for me is they called traveling 3 times on a player walking the ball up the floor unguarded, 2 on Cal, 1 on UNLV. If a player is unguarded at midcourt and is not making an offensive move, that is a bullshit call even if it is technically traveling. Somebody needs to tell those guys the tourney is not about them.

Horrid call but not worse than joe shipp over the backboard

Yes, you are right. The call over backboard vs UCLA was the worst ever.

Thurman had established space and offensive player drove into him. This wasn't a judgement or a 50/50...this was just suckbutt.

socaltownie;842102926 said:

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Horrid call but not worse than joe shipp over the backboard

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Wrong Shipp ... Joe was our guy. Josh (I think) was the one who shot it behind the backboard

calgldnbear;842103001 said:

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Wrong Shipp ... Joe was our guy. Josh (I think) was the one who shot it behind the backboard

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Yes. Josh. It is hard to type on iPad.

blungld;842102693 said:

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That blocking call on Thurman was not even close. Text book charge. I am appalled.

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but if you have been watching Pac basketball for those years, you had to have seen worse. Braun's last game in Pauley was some of the most biased referring I have seen. For example, the refs just plain made stuff up at the end of the game to get a losing UCLA team the ball to be ranked for the NCAAs.

I was there tonight, in section 222, and while the vantage sucked, I'm quite sure there were a least a couple bad calls. I plan to watch the game again in a bit...

When will we know, if we don't already, what crew we'll have on Saturday?

CALiforniALUM;842102885 said:

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Not really, you have to have your position set (i.e. feet set). Although I think Thurman in real tie was set enough.

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This is not really a rule, and the game was finally moved away from that interpretation.

How about Kravish getting called for a foul because he fell forward while getting shoved from behind on a rebound? Or UNLV player climbing on Wallace's back as Wallace hesitated in getting a shot off in the paint? Of course, there were Cal fouls that were missed, too. Also, rebound off Kravish's foot that was called off UNLV (despite Kravish's body language that clearly suggested he thought the ball was off him).

On one possession, I noticed that #2 was in the key for over 5 seconds. But, I didn't know how long he had been there before I noticed. So, I rewound the DVR and used the shot clock to time him. 16 seconds. No joke. He didn't just pitch a tent; he had started a campfire and was roasting marshmallows. I swear the only time refs call 3 seconds in the key is when a player goes up for a shot, hesitates, and then passes it. The ref assumes that his teammate who crashed the boards for the rebound was in the key for over 3 seconds.

drizzlyboy;842103059 said:

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......Of course, there were Cal fouls that were missed, too. Also, rebound off Kravish's foot that was called off UNLV (despite Kravish's body language that clearly suggested he thought the ball was off him).

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I was in the nosebleed section at the far end of the arena, and even from there, I could tell the ball went off Kravish. [I'm surprised the UNLV player didn't complain more. Maybe he wasn't sure what had happened.] There had been so many horse-sh!t calls against Cal, I figured we deserved this one.

There was a sequence in the middle of the 2nd half when Crabbe and Kravish both got called for ticky-tack touch fouls to bail out the Rebels on bad shots, and meanwhile Crabbe got flat shoved in the lane with the ball, and the refs called traveling on him! UNLV was trailing badly at the time; I guess this was the refs trying to keep the game competitive. Without those calls I suspect Cal blows them out of the gym.

We were having fun watching unbelievably bad calls and then joking about waiting for the makeup call in the next possession. Another call I couldn't believe was the call out of bounds on Bak. We were far away so it's possible the ref got it right, but from where we were sitting it looked like Bal kept his foot in. What was more frustrating was that the ref was 15 feet away and a UNLV player was wrapped around Bak's foot so it looked like there was no possible way the red had an actual view of Bak's foot and the line.

Plus, were those two traveling calls on passes actually traveling? Hadn't seen calls like that in forever and to get two in one game was ridiculous. Calls just seemed to bee called to keep the game close.

briloker;842103152 said:

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We were having fun watching unbelievably bad calls and then joking about waiting for the makeup call in the next possession. Another call I couldn't believe was the call out of bounds on Bak. We were far away so it's possible the ref got it right, but from where we were sitting it looked like Bal kept his foot in. What was more frustrating was that the ref was 15 feet away and a UNLV player was wrapped around Bak's foot so it looked like there was no possible way the red had an actual view of Bak's foot and the line.

Plus, were those two traveling calls on passes actually traveling? Hadn't seen calls like that in forever and to get two in one game was ridiculous. Calls just seemed to bee called to keep the game close.

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the other things about that out of bounds call on Bak (and it could have been the right call, I don't know) is that it took the ref like 4 seconds to call it.

Let's assume it was a bad call, there have been so many worse calls over the years, given situation, time left, obviousness of the call, etc. If we're not specifying sport, then I'll vote for the Dennis Dummitt TD as the worst call ever. I've seen so many hundreds of bad block/charge calls over the decades, including many at pivotal points of games, that I find it hard to get TOO worked up over that one.

The worst call yesterday in any game was, IMO, in the Davidson-Villanova game, and nobody is even talking about it as far as I have seen. Davidson is up one, the Davidson player has the ball under his own basket, he only wants to pass the ball in order to avoid being fouled, 2 guys are rushing at him as he is passing, he gets it off just before they hammer him, they hammer him pretty good after he releases the ball, and no foul. The ball ends up out of bounds with almost 7 seconds left, Villanova gets the ball and scores the winning bucket. No way that guy makes a pass that bad if he doesn't have 2 guys flying at him who are going to foul him whether he gets rid of the ball or not. It is still a foul even if the ball has left his hands. But nothing. Huh. Glad I'm not a Davidson fan. Glad I had Villanova in my bracket.