bearister;842298490 said:

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Little known fact: when the Washington Generals started its roster was comprised primarily of escaped Nazi war criminals who entered the US through Mexico. The reason they sucked at basketball is because it was a foreign game that they took up late in life.

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And a Jew, Abe Saperstein, gave them work where they would lose every game until the end of time to non Aryans

blungld;842298492 said:

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93: I'm trying to get where your head is at. Are you saying:

1) I am rascist and proud of it.

2) There is nothing rascist in cheering for a team on the basis of their skin color.

3) Screw you guys I'll root for whoever I want and for whatever reason I want and ha ha that team won and won me money.

4) Everyone is rascist and just won't admit it. We all pick teams and people to support that share our own skin color or culture.

5) I hate anything that smacks of being PC, so I do the opposite and espouse the opposite to make a point/protest.

I think I've heard heard all of these in your posts, but am truly not understanding what you are saying...and, perhaps more importantly, WHY you are saying it. I don't get it.

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Impressive summation of a rambling hot mess spanning two threads now. Not sure the effort was worth it to write all that, but I'm curious to hear the answer now.

BeggarEd;842298550 said:

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Impressive summation of a rambling hot mess spanning two threads now. Not sure the effort was worth it to write all that, but I'm curious to hear the answer now.

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I'm curious too. I haven't been able to decipher it myself.

blungld;842298617 said:

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I'm curious too. I haven't been able to decipher it myself.

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When it comes to 93gobears, you are probably wasting your time in trying to decipher his meaning. But best of luck in your quest!

I noticed that the New York Times ran an article yesterday about the student-athletes of the Wisconsin Men's Basketball team.

It's a good read: Celebrate? Sorry, We're Studying.

I wonder if Kentucky will get similar coverage.

blungld;842298492 said:

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93: I'm trying to get where your head is at. Are you saying:

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I stopped trying to respond to anyone in particular, GMP excluded.

I have my opinions. I think they are valid. And I hate talking in code.

Labeling someone a racist is a cold thing to do, and the cheapest way to shut down an opinion.

93gobears;842298668 said:

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I noticed that the New York Times ran an article yesterday about the student-athletes of the Wisconsin Men's Basketball team.

It's a good read: Celebrate? Sorry, We're Studying.

I wonder if Kentucky will get similar coverage.

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Jeezus you read the Times sports page. Lacrosse fan? No wonder you like white people

Excuse me if I thought you had used the term rascist in reference to yourself previously. I understand that your opinion is your own, but there is an exchange that took place and I simply can't understand what exactly your opinion is. Would you mind restating it?

GB54;842298686 said:

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Jeezus you read the Times sports page. Lacrosse fan? No wonder you like white people

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I hope you are joking.

Maybe you should try reading it...

Go Bears!

blungld;842298492 said:

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93: I'm trying to get where your head is at. Are you saying:

1) I am rascist and proud of it.

2) There is nothing rascist in cheering for a team on the basis of their skin color.

3) Screw you guys I'll root for whoever I want and for whatever reason I want and ha ha that team won and won me money.

4) Everyone is rascist and just won't admit it. We all pick teams and people to support that share our own skin color or culture.

5) I hate anything that smacks of being PC, so I do the opposite and espouse the opposite to make a point/protest.

I think I've heard heard all of these in your posts, but am truly not understanding what you are saying...and, perhaps more importantly, WHY you are saying it. I don't get it.

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I'm sure I'm digging myself a deeper hole.

My original thread was intended to be thought provoking re race, student-athletes, and athletes as employees.

1) The tourney comprises 64+ teams, most of which I have never watched play.
2) BB is a business and many of these college teams are gaming the system.
3) I think it is OK for me to root for teams that are mostly white.
4) I think that many people root for players or teams based upon race.
5) I think that the sensitivity to race affords many people to have hypocritical viewpoints. on the subject.

Beyond that, I am done.

93gobears;842298709 said:

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I'm sure I'm digging myself a deeper hole..
4) I think that many people root for players or teams based upon race.
5) I think that the sensitivity to race affords many people to have hypocritical viewpoints on the subject.

Beyond that, I am done.

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> I stopped trying to respond to anyone in particular, GMP excluded.
cool, and please don't let the internet slap your ass on way out.

93gobears;842298709 said:

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I'm sure I'm digging myself a deeper hole.

My original thread was intended to be thought provoking re race, student-athletes, and athletes as employees.

1) The tourney comprises 64+ teams, most of which I have never watched play.
2) BB is a business and many of these college teams are gaming the system.
3) I think it is OK for me to root for teams that are mostly white.
4) I think that many people root for players or teams based upon race.
5) I think that the sensitivity to race affords many people to have hypocritical viewpoints. on the subject.

Beyond that, I am done.

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Thanks for answering.

I do not want to bait you with a response or disrespect your right to hold to your own opinion. While I would never chose a team by skin color, we all may choose teams for often arbitrary reasons. I don't have any closer affinity to someone who is white than someone who is not and also do not assume that they are more like me--the presumed reason one would root for one group of strangers over another. I think geography and "class" probably have much higher correlation to similarity. Cheering for a team is at it's core some projection of ego and so we all chose some projection of self or touchstone to our life for the basis of fandom.

I think the distinction has to be made between cheering FOR a white team, and AGAINST black teams. I think the later is far more problematic and moves past the right to cheer for whomever one wants into the terrain of hostility and some kind of rascist pathology.

Cal8285;842297972 said:

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Screw honesty and truth, screw PC, screw non-PC. In the end, only kindness matters.

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That's pretty much it.

93gobears;842298709 said:

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I'm sure I'm digging myself a deeper hole.

My original thread was intended to be thought provoking re race, student-athletes, and athletes as employees.

1) The tourney comprises 64+ teams, most of which I have never watched play.
2) BB is a business and many of these college teams are gaming the system.
3) I think it is OK for me to root for teams that are mostly white.
4) I think that many people root for players or teams based upon race.
5) I think that the sensitivity to race affords many people to have hypocritical viewpoints. on the subject.

Beyond that, I am done.

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I shouldn't have called you a racist. However, you were saying some pretty racist things. I also think you are projecting when you say #4 in your list. Who are the most popular teams in college basketball? A lot of teams with a lot of black and white players. Plenty of white people root for these teams even though the teams have lots of black players. I think, for most people, that the racial makeup of the team has no bearing on whether or not they root for that team.

Most people root for laundry.

:bluecarrot:

Bobodeluxe;842298783 said:

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Most people root for laundry.

:bluecarrot:

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+1 brazillion

:p

A lot of Asians root for Jeremy Lin because he's Asian. A lot of gay folks I know root for Jason Collins because he's gay.

People tend to root for things they identify with. It's natural.

pingpong2;842298992 said:

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A lot of Asians root for Jeremy Lin because he's Asian. A lot of gay folks I know root for Jason Collins because he's gay.

People tend to root for things they identify with. It's natural.

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I do root for Jeremy Lin to do well, but that doesn't mean I'd root for him against my favorite NBA team. Or that I'd root for the Chinese National Team against the USA. I don't think this race thing goes as far a 93gobears thinks it does.

I will admit that come time for the Tournament I do find myself rooting for teams that have a ton of white dudes, but not simply because they're white. Most of the time these teams tend to be the underdogs. Now, you can say that maybe I see them as the underdogs because I'm underestimating them due to the racial makeup of the team. I can't argue with that (it's the Jordy Nelson effect), but honestly who here has never chosen the black kid over the white kid when picking teams just because you figured there's a better chance that he'd be the better baller?

pingpong2;842299032 said:

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I will admit that come time for the Tournament I do find myself rooting for teams that have a ton of white dudes, but not simply because they're white. Most of the time these teams tend to be the underdogs. Now, you can say that maybe I see them as the underdogs because I'm underestimating them due to the racial makeup of the team. I can't argue with that (it's the Jordy Nelson effect), but honestly who here has never chosen the black kid over the white kid when picking teams just because you figured there's a better chance that he'd be the better baller?

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I have to say that almost everytime somebody on this board, or any sports board for that matter, says "who here has never..." it has virtually always been followed by something I have never done.

grandmastapoop;842298763 said:

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I shouldn't have called you a racist. However, you were saying some pretty racist things. I also think you are projecting when you say #4 in your list. Who are the most popular teams in college basketball? A lot of teams with a lot of black and white players. Plenty of white people root for these teams even though the teams have lots of black players. I think, for most people, that the racial makeup of the team has no bearing on whether or not they root for that team.

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In my experience, sometimes people do root based on race.

Now, most of my personal experience of people rooting based on race has been white people rooting for black people, or rooting for teams because of black people on those teams. My white paternal grandparents rooted for Jesse Owens in the 1936 Olympics mostly because of his race. They rooted for Joe Louis over Max Schmelling in large part because of race. Anti-Nazi sentiments may have played a factor in both instances, but race was a huge factor. My white parents rooted for Jackie Robinson to do well, primarily because of his race. I know plenty of people, mostly white people, who rooted for UTEP to beat Kentucky in the 1966 NCAA basketball final, wanting the team of all black starters to beat the team of all white starters playing for apparent racist Rupp.

My time as a sports fan didn't start until right after that 1966 NCAA game, but there were times I rooted for players/teams based on race. I rooted for Willie Lanier because he was the first pro football black middle linebacker. I rooted for Doug Williams to win the Super Bowl mostly because I wanted to see a black QB win the Super Bowl. Absolutely, I rooted for Arthur Ashe as a black tennis player in what was still truly a white man's sport, where so many country clubs around the country still wouldn't let blacks even play on their courts, much less be members. I ended up walking next to Clark Graabner after a tennis match between Graebner and Ashe in either the late 1960's or early 1970's, definitely after Levels of the Game was written, not sure if it was before or after Graebner and Ashe won the US Clay Court doubles together. Graebner had lost 7-6, 6-1, and I heard Graebner say to his coach, "I'm sick of those g__ d___ officials making all those g__ d____ calls for those g__ d____ n_______'s." Really? I was especially struck by his use of the plural for the n word. Geez, how many blacks do you think there are on the tennis circuit for them to make calls for? Hearing that rant by Graebner made me want even more to root for the black guy having to play in that atmosphere.

Obviously, there is a difference between white or black people rooting based on race for black people in an American where open racial discrimination was still legal, or white or black people rooting based on race for black people who were pioneers in positions that white racists thought blacks weren't intellectually capable of playing, and people rooting for a member of their own race, but I think it nave to think the latter doesn't happen.

As others have pointed out, however, most people root for laundry and race is largely irrelevant. I'm glad things have progressed to the point where nobody even really noticed Russell Wilson becoming the second African American starting QB to win the Super Bowl.

Cal8285;842299058 said:

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As others have pointed out, however, most people root for laundry and race is largely irrelevant. I'm glad things have progressed to the point where nobody even really noticed Russell Wilson becoming the second African American starting QB to win the Super Bowl.

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To be honest throughout his college career I thought he was Indian.

pingpong2;842299075 said:

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To be honest throughout his college career I thought he was Indian.

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Did you root for him?

OaktownBear;842299044 said:

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I have to say that almost everytime somebody on this board, or any sports board for that matter, says "who here has never..." it has virtually always been followed by something I have never done.

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LOL, me too.

Actually, this part of the discussion is interesting. We all do have biases of some sort (I'm inclined to root AGAINST all-white teams from the South, although I doubt any exist anymore). I also agree that often class trumps race, and geography does as well sometimes.

And FWIW, I DO generally root for color--I hate any team that wears red.

NYCGOBEARS;842299076 said:

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Did you root for him?

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I did, not because of his ethnicity, but because he was the short small QB that quieted all the naysayers (ala Flutie and Brees).

Nowadays I root against him because he plays for the Seachickens.

pingpong2;842299094 said:

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I did, not because of his ethnicity, but because he was the short small QB that quieted all the naysayers (ala Flutie and Brees).

Nowadays I root against him because he plays for the Seachickens.

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Good answers.

Where can I find the original post?

Fyght4Cal;842300336 said:

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Where can I find the original post?

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In the same God forsaken quadrant of the Deep Web where BearyWhite 's skinless carcass is buried.

I do find myself rooting for the underdog a little more if they're white. I also root against teams that I know white people are favoring because they're white and I project that they wouldn't admit it (it gets more convoluted, but I'll spare you).
I root for white boxers. Bless their hearts, they try so hard.
I think some people don't want to admit to themselves that they have these biases - just like Steven Colbert is colorblind. They want to be perceived as completely free of bigotry. But it's human nature.

I still root for laundry.

pierrezo;842300354 said:

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I do find myself rooting for the underdog a little more if they're white. I also root against teams that I know white people are favoring because they're white and I project that they wouldn't admit it (it gets more convoluted, but I'll spare you).
I root for white boxers. Bless their hearts, they try so hard.
I think some people don't want to admit to themselves that they have these biases - just like Steven Colbert is colorblind. They want to be perceived as completely free of bigotry. But it's human nature.

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Jerry and Mike Quarry died for our sins .

bearister;842300361 said:

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Jerry and Mike Quarry died for our sins .

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I had to look them up. I'd root for them.

Well we know how old you are!

:p


"I had to look them up. I'd root for them."

pierrezo;842300363 said:

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I had to look them up. I'd root for them.

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Ali sending Jerry down the road to pugilistic dementia: