I agree 100%, you nailed it DD.

It wasn't moral grandstanding. It was a dumbass comment, because its based on NO facts, no attribution, and basing conclusions that aren't even logical-supporting someone for a COACHING position at a Major university based on a Jewish religious affiliation is ridiculous.

It bears repeating-if this was posted on a page of one of the SEC teams the moral indignation would be heard in a 10 page thread here on BI; just because it was posted here doesn't make it "more smart."

calumnus;842302519 said:

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Just that it was ironic.

The story of Barabbas: LINK

1. In one version he is a zealot and leader of the Jewish insurgency against the Romans. In another he is a thief. In both, he is spared crucifixion by the Romans because "The Jews" chose him over Jesus of Nazarath.

2. The story of Barabbas was a key component of European/Christian antisemitism and violent persecution against Jewish communities centered on the idea that "The Jews" were "Christ-killers" (which of course contradicts Christian doctrine that the whole reason Jesus came to Earth was to die for the sins of mankind).

BTW, I didn't think your post was necessarily anti-Semitic, though it could be interpreted that way (and obviously was), but it was certainly indelicate in dealing with a very sensitive issue that may very well be only speculation and rumor.

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There are a lot if ironies in this discussion.
[U]The idea of disliking a group do to ethnicity or religion does not make sense to me or my life experience.[/U]
I should have realized that some people look for a reason to be offended. I'll say it again there is nothing wrong for supporting a candidate because you are proud of your heritage. Asians got excited when we have had Asians on the team like Max Zhang and Richard Chang. Latinos were very supportive of Jorge and Rene Herrerias; and the Cal Jewish community has been very proud of of Ben Braun, Amit Tamir and Shahar Gordon. These aren't secrets!!! The fact that a specific group really wants a coach for reasons not necessarily related to his skill is a coach is not new or unique to Cal or this situation. I guess it's so sensitive to you and some others that it can't be said without racial name calling.

barabbas;842302700 said:

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There are a lot if ironies in this discussion.
[U]The idea of disliking a group do to ethnicity or religion does not make sense to me or my life experience.[/U]
I should have realized that some people look for a reason to be offended. I'll say it again there is nothing wrong for supporting a candidate because you are proud of your heritage. Asians got excited when we have had Asians on the team like Max Zhang and Richard Chang. Latinos were very supportive of Jorge and Rene Herrerias; and the Cal Jewish community has been very proud of of Ben Braun, Amit Tamir and Shahar Gordon. These aren't secrets!!! The fact that a specific group really wants a coach for reasons not necessarily related to his skill is a coach is not new or unique to Cal or this situation. I guess it's so sensitive to you and some others that it can't be said without racial name calling.

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Where the hell is gobears93? Didn't we hash out this issue ad nauseum in another dumb azz thread?

Barabbas, you are digging your hole deeper. Rooting for an underdog or minority to do well is one thing but the active bias you suggest by major Jewish donors in selecting our next coach is ludicrous.

barabbas;842302454 said:

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There are a few large Jewish donors and from what I hear there is pressure from them to hire Pasternack.

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I tell you, first it was Hollywood, now Cal hoops, what is this world coming to....mishegas!

Barabas, I'll tell it how it really is: you are a miserable WASP prick, jealous you don't have the intellect or the power that these "jews" you so deride possess.

panoramicknob;842302704 said:

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I tell you, first it was Hollywood, now Cal hoops, what is this world coming to....mishegas!

Barabas, I'll tell it how it really is: you are a miserable WASP prick, jealous you don't have the intellect or the power that these "jews" you so deride possess.

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http://www.myjewishlearning.com/culture/2/Sports/Sports_and_Judaism/America/Basketball.shtml


http://www.salon.com/2012/12/06/when_jews_ruled_basketball/

atoms;842302647 said:

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Pasternack is out per Twitter

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So Cal is considering hiring a gay head basketball coach?

panoramicknob;842302704 said:

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I tell you, first it was Hollywood, now Cal hoops, what is this world coming to....mishegas!

Barabas, I'll tell it how it really is: you are a miserable WASP prick, jealous you don't have the intellect or the power that these "jews" you so deride possess.

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Hahaha wow...Quoted for posterity. This is officially the point where the thread cannot get any worse.

barabbas;842302700 said:

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The idea of disliking a group do* to ethnicity or religion does not make sense to me or my life experience.

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[u]*due[/u]

#grammarjew

BeggarEd;842302714 said:

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[u]*due[/u]

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I kinda liked the misspelling. Shows us what we're dealing with.

concernedparent;842302712 said:

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Hahaha wow...Quoted for posterity. This is officially the point where the thread cannot get any worse.

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Oh ye of little faith....

calumnus;842302528 said:

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Sean Miller is a good recruiter and player friendly coach. Basically, for top players from the Bay Area, Arizona is Kentucky but with better weather, shorter/cheaper flights on SWA and two games in the Bay Area every season for family and friends to attend.

Pasternack has nothing to do with that.

I am [U]certain[/U] DeCuire and Theo (a Soldiers alum) can recruit Soldiers to stay home at Cal better than Pasternack could.

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Have to weigh in amongst the conjecture and varying impressions of Joe P. None of the finalists can recruit the Oakland Soldiers as well as Pasternack. One conversation with their lead head coach will confirm that. Pasternack is a well respected and connected coach with several of the leading HS program's in Nor Cal and has fostered a strong connection with the Mater Dei coach as well. Additionally Lou Ritchie speaks very well of him - which is an advantage in the courting of Rabb.
The current delay in naming Travis as the HC is the ongoing attempt to land a "bigger name/head coach experience" (which over time and attempts, is dwindling) Second to see if the major donor support for Joe is unyielding, third to vet acceptance/support of Travis thru the typical channels - other coaches, organizations, donor's, selected players etc..
No I am not Joe's agent or "Father in Law' I did chuckle at that post though. Travis is a solid person who is the safe pick - he is respected among the current players and is personable with the alumni. Joe is more fiery, better connected and has HC experience as well as a much better recruiting resume.
Initially Travis would most likely produce a better record, however in my opinion Joe has the capability of leading the program to much higher levels over time.

4thGenCal;842302719 said:

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Have to weigh in amongst the conjecture and varying impressions of Joe P. None of the finalists can recruit the Oakland Soldiers as well as Pasternack. One conversation with their lead head coach will confirm that. Pasternack is a well respected and connected coach with several of the leading HS program's in Nor Cal and has fostered a strong connection with the Mater Dei coach as well. Additionally Lou Ritchie speaks very well of him - which is an advantage in the courting of Rabb.
The current delay in naming Travis as the HC is the ongoing attempt to land a "bigger name/head coach experience" (which over time and attempts, is dwindling) Second to see if the major donor support for Joe is unyielding, third to vet acceptance/support of Travis thru the typical channels - other coaches, organizations, donor's, selected players etc..
No I am not Joe's agent or "Father in Law' I did chuckle at that post though. Travis is a solid person who is the safe pick - he is respected among the current players and is personable with the alumni. Joe is more fiery, better connected and has HC experience as well as a much better recruiting resume.
Initially Travis would most likely produce a better record, however in my opinion Joe has the capability of leading the program to much higher levels over time.

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Will Joe roll on Shabbos?

AbominableSnowman;842302651 said:

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Amen

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I saw what you did there.

Travis is out. His position on the West Bank settlements is at odds

4thGenCal;842302719 said:

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Have to weigh in amongst the conjecture and varying impressions of Joe P. None of the finalists can recruit the Oakland Soldiers as well as Pasternack. One conversation with their lead head coach will confirm that. Pasternack is a well respected and connected coach with several of the leading HS program's in Nor Cal and has fostered a strong connection with the Mater Dei coach as well. Additionally Lou Ritchie speaks very well of him - which is an advantage in the courting of Rabb.
The current delay in naming Travis as the HC is the ongoing attempt to land a "bigger name/head coach experience" (which over time and attempts, is dwindling) Second to see if the major donor support for Joe is unyielding, third to vet acceptance/support of Travis thru the typical channels - other coaches, organizations, donor's, selected players etc..
No I am not Joe's agent or "Father in Law' I did chuckle at that post though. Travis is a solid person who is the safe pick - he is respected among the current players and is personable with the alumni. Joe is more fiery, better connected and has HC experience as well as a much better recruiting resume.
Initially Travis would most likely produce a better record, however in my opinion Joe has the capability of leading the program to much higher levels over time.

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Pasternack would be a bad hire. If you want a head coach who is annoying as hell and will sever more ties than he binds then Pasternack is your guy. If Cal fans thought that Montgomery had a hard time recruiting because of his personality and him not being for everybody, Pasternack is Monty on steroids. The comments that praise him are made publicly because there politically correct. The dude can be a pain in the a**.

bluesaxe;842302492 said:

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As I recall, Arizona has recruited well without Pasternak and Sean Miller has recruited well without him. I can't believe that he's that much a key to their success.

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He isn't. He has been asked to back off sometimes because he pushes too hard at times and can be a real problem to deal with

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Pasternak is not my choice, for a variety of reasons already posted here.
Theo's good friend is Lou Ritchie, Ivan Rabb's HS coach.
The fact is, our assistant coaches have a great relationship with most everybody. I believe two things held back greater recruiting, and it wasn't the assistants:

1. Uncertaintity of Monty's tenure. I know for a fact that Poetl and Welsh both asked about it. Welsh went to UCLA because he wanted an assurance that Monty would be his coach, and didn't get it.

2. Cal's image as a difficult academic school. Most AAU kids are swayed to easier academic schools. Think about an inner city AAU kid , who might even have a 3.0. He is now in classes with practically 100% valedictorians. Daunting, to say the least.

#1 is now answered, and the kids like Travis. Recruits will know who their coach is going to be for the next 3-4 years minimum. It will still be up to the coach to convince kids, but...#2 will always hurt Cal against the likes of Arizona (especially), Oregon, Utah, USC, San Diego State etc....until Cal figures out how to make it less intimidating for kids to actually get through Cal. It is the elephant in the room when it comes to 4-5 star players.

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2.5 gpa hs dumb azzs aren't coming to cal...unless it's to work security like ian (real scouting) a gap security guy who didn't actually graduate from usf

ayetee11;842302395 said:

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Also, he probably doesn't have a great relationship with Rooks.

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Yes, it's very important that the incoming coach have a great relationship with the project 7-footer playing 6 minutes a game.

Don't know if Pasternack would be a great fit (and it sounds like this is a settled question anyway), but the jerks, sorry, board members who derided him for years as the 'video kid' have absolutely no standing when it comes to evaluating him now. Pasternack's experiences at New Orleans after the hurricane showed some serious tenacity, leadership, passion and recruiting ability. Who knows, maybe he'll continue on the same trajectory as another dopey video kid, Erik Spoelstra..

4thGenCal;842302719 said:

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Have to weigh in amongst the conjecture and varying impressions of Joe P. None of the finalists can recruit the Oakland Soldiers as well as Pasternack. One conversation with their lead head coach will confirm that. Pasternack is a well respected and connected coach with several of the leading HS program's in Nor Cal and has fostered a strong connection with the Mater Dei coach as well. Additionally Lou Ritchie speaks very well of him - which is an advantage in the courting of Rabb.
The current delay in naming Travis as the HC is the ongoing attempt to land a "bigger name/head coach experience" (which over time and attempts, is dwindling) Second to see if the major donor support for Joe is unyielding, third to vet acceptance/support of Travis thru the typical channels - other coaches, organizations, donor's, selected players etc..
No I am not Joe's agent or "Father in Law' I did chuckle at that post though. Travis is a solid person who is the safe pick - he is respected among the current players and is personable with the alumni. Joe is more fiery, better connected and has HC experience as well as a much better recruiting resume.
Initially Travis would most likely produce a better record, however in my opinion Joe has the capability of leading the program to much higher levels over time.

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They should hire TD with an incentive laden contract or else go after Musselman.


McKnight isn't sending any one here even with Pasternak, unless they are not wanted by basketball factory schools.. You see, it helps his image when his kids are on tv playing for Zona or Ucla. exhibit A,B, C : Sampson, Franklin, Beeuswart..

EchoOfSilence;842302661 said:

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Pasternack out. /thread

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I would like to thank myself for my first post in this thread, which Sandy undoubtedly saw and reminded her of The Kick. Without my post, we'd have a press conference at 10:00 a.m. tomorrow to introduce Pasternack as Cal's new basketball coach. You can all thank me, either here or via PM.

InKlineWeTrust;842302748 said:

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Yes, it's very important that the incoming coach have a great relationship with the project 7-footer playing 6 minutes a game.

Don't know if Pasternack would be a great fit (and it sounds like this is a settled question anyway), but the jerks, sorry, board members who derided him for years as the 'video kid' have absolutely no standing when it comes to evaluating him now. Pasternack's experiences at New Orleans after the hurricane showed some serious tenacity, leadership, passion and recruiting ability. Who knows, maybe he'll continue on the same trajectory as another dopey video kid, Erik Spoelstra..

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Maybe Pat Riley will hire Pasternack to his staff then.

LocoOso;842302683 said:

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Because....?

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Shouldn't your handle be OsoLoco?

concordtom;842302768 said:

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Shouldn't your handle be OsoLoco?

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What a racist statement!

concordtom;842302768 said:

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Shouldn't your handle be OsoLoco?

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Crazy Bear vs Bear Crazy? Both work.