Warriors roster next season

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mikecohen;842507864 said:

Which is essentially the question my post posits: Who could possibly fit the team better than a fully functioning 20/10 guy, who, under the new defensive regime (and I'm assuming that Ron Adams stays, and Draymond Green), is a lot better defensive player already (in addition to the ghostly rebounding) than in previous seasons? The only thing better might be the same person who could also shoot 3s, and maybe who is younger and more health/fitness conscious (although, with young guys like Kyrie Irving and Patrick Beverly dropping like flies, again the health/fitness consciousness [LeBron has it] is probably more important than the age factor)


A guy who can shoot from outside and defend would be better, a 3 and D guy. Lee will never be a 20/10 guy with the Warriors because he won't play enough unless Green gets hurt and he gives up points as fast as he scores them. The best you can say about him right now is that he runs the pick and roll with Curry well and passes well. His mid-range game is gone and his free throw shooting is pretty poor the last couple of season. I'd far rather move him and stay under the tax to get a mid-level player who will do more on defense.
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75bear;842507905 said:

A GSW 1st rounder is essentially a 2nd rounder.


I guess that makes their second rounders the equivalent of a third-rounder. You're right though, if it's a first from this year's draft - it's not overwhelmingly valuable (unless of course you end up with Draymond Green or Festus Ezeli or something ;=)).
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gobears;842507879 said:

Picking 30th, hard to get rookie help.. ... see GSW's 2014 1st round pick?? Did not much PT or even on roster... so, generally speaking, will be project...



The Warriors did not have a 2014 draft pick.
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bluesaxe;842507910 said:

Well, unless someone opts out of the CBA in 2017 it will run until 2021 and Steph's contract is up before that so I think you're confusing the CBA with the increased revenue coming in 2016-7. The salary cap and the new max are attributable to the new tv contract kicking in season after next. That's what players will wait for. That won't have any impact on Iguodala because he'll be 33 or 34 when his contract expires and I don't think he'll be getting a salary increase from the W's at that point. Ezeli and Barnes are not free agents the same year as Steph - they each have one less year on their contracts and at least one of them is likely to be extended before those contracts expire. The W's and Barnes are already in discussions about it. Lee's contract will be gone so that's $15M off the books after next season unless they take back longer term contracts in a trade.

From what I have read it is a forgone conclusion the players will opt out in 17. My point with the increased salary cap is that every team is going to suddenly have large cap space, so even the Warriors don't offer some players increases it is likely others will. And I made a mistake about Barnes and Ezeli but both players will still be available to become FA after the cap increase.
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bluesaxe;842507912 said:

I guess that makes their second rounders the equivalent of a third-rounder. You're right though, if it's a first from this year's draft - it's not overwhelmingly valuable (unless of course you end up with Draymond Green or Festus Ezeli or something ;=)).


The third round doesn't exist
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bluesaxe;842507914 said:

The Warriors did not have a 2014 draft pick.


They bought into the 1st round, getting a pick for cash ... made a couple of swaps before ending up with #30.

Lee wants more PT and he isn't getting it with the Dubs. They may move him prior to the draft for an expiring contract or draft picks.
Iggy is solid, but Curry needs to work with him on FT's ... he's killing us, but he has the heart of a lion !!
Some mock drafts have them selecting Brown from Furd. He fits their Plug n Play mold for like-size wings/guards and plays some D.
I hope they resign Barbosa because no one in the draft gives them the skill set and veteran savvy that he does. He's still faster that 90% of the guards in the league.
They will lock up Green and Barnes early ... no chance they're going anywhere. Barnes is a great athlete, but I don't think he's a max guy, at this point. Green is our Swiss Army knife ... max guy.
Bogut may be on the downward trend, but they need him as a rim protector and space eater against half the teams in the league. Liability in end game scenarios with is FT bricks.
Ezili is more athletic and active. Has a great upside and they will do anything they must to resign him. Shoots FT's better than Bogut.
Speights has the mid-range game, but he's a defensive liability like Lee. He's also adding weight and has a 6" vertical ... needs to get serious with training/conditioning.
This franchise is printing cash ... surprised they aren't pushing a 25,000 seat arena that would allow them take full advantage of the 16,000 season ticket waiting list. Look for a price increase next season.
I trust Bob Myers to fill out the lineup with quality veteran role players. They need more size in the post and I don't know that Speights and Kuzmic are the answers.
They are poised for a long, successful playoff run for the next 3-4 seasons AND with Myers ans Jerry West steering the roster decisions, they are second to none in the NBA for leadership and direction !!!
Most important ... Kerr and staff give them one of the most intelligent, balanced, and experienced pro staffs. I love Kerr's emphasis on the POSITIVE and he boils things down to the essential issues.
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bluesaxe;842507914 said:

The Warriors did not have a 2014 draft pick.


No wonder GSW 2014 draft pick was "hardly" around. I was thinking some Euro player drafted and was bouncing around but could not recall name.. (D league, etc)
but was 2013 draft: Nemanja Nedović


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GSW cannot overpay role players.... as they have to plan for Curry's next contract... as well as potential to get one large whale FA. (Kevin Durant)..
Many recent whale FA, I would pass on.. (not that they are not good) as they prevent team from making other moves when they need to or team fit (going after Carmelo, Dwight Howard, etc)

Kevin Durant? he is a "whale" FA I would try to make strong move to try to hook for GSW.

I recall Adonal Foyle signing a pretty large FA contract when Chris Mullins was GM.. (did not agree) Mullins reply was "that was the market for bigs".. my position, is "screw the market".. if market is "off" choose not to play market and wait. Not that I do not like Adonal as person/player, but has to be at right price (based on his role on team and need to have funds for other moves)

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I don't have a good understanding about how it could be done with the intricacies of caps and roster issues, but upgrading through a free agent or two is intriguing. For years, players didn't want to come to the Warriors. Now, who wouldn't want to play here under Kerr and Lacob, and with Curry and Co? Marc Gasol would be nice...
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Durant is the target 2016 FA acquisition for the Warriors assuming he's healthy.

Draymond is a RFA so it's likely he'd get a 4 year offer near or at the mid level cap(approx 16 mil/yr)

Options for trading Lee include this years #1, 2019 #1, multiple 2nds, or bad contracts coming back or some combo of the above. Warriors cannot trade their 2016 or 2018 1st rounder as they already traded their 2017 1st rounder (can't trade 1st rounders in consecutive years unless you acquire 1st rounders from another team and even then you can't trade pick based on the the team's finish)

Re: Barnes he could be traded although his skill set is quite valuable despite not being a dominant player.
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gobears725;842507842 said:

the key in my opinion is that i believe that they will need to keep the core of curry, thompson, green and ezeli together. i think ezeli is going to develop into a pretty dominant big barring injuries. after that, its barnes at the right price and then have to do what the spurs did and retool their bench and role players. at that point bogut, iguodala and livingston might be getting too old and could only be worth keeping at reduced numbers


As I stated in another thread, you have to be very, very careful when you begin to mess with a roster after winning an NBA title, and the prime example of that was the 1975 Warriors who traded what they thought was not an essential player in Butch Beard to the Cavs for Dwight Davis, the power forward they thought they needed. They picked up slick guard Gus Williams in the draft, to replace Beard, and it was upgrades at both positions, right?

The next season, it looked right, as the Warriors blazed their way to the best record in the NBA, but then fell apart in game 7 of the Western Conference Finals, losing to an average Phoenix team. That was the start of the Warriors' collapse into 40 years of oblivion, with only a few blips of minimal success over that time.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - George Santayana
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SFCityBear;842508038 said:


The next season, it looked right, as the Warriors blazed their way to the best record in the NBA, but then fell apart in game 7 of the Western Conference Finals, losing to an average Phoenix team.



I've heard this a few times, but something doesn't make sense. They go to the Western Conference Finals and lose in a game 7, doesn't seem too bad. What happened in the offseason after that run in the playoffs?
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SFCityBear;842508038 said:

As I stated in another thread, you have to be very, very careful when you begin to mess with a roster after winning an NBA title, and the prime example of that was the 1975 Warriors who traded what they thought was not an essential player in Butch Beard to the Cavs for Dwight Davis, the power forward they thought they needed. They picked up slick guard Gus Williams in the draft, to replace Beard, and it was upgrades at both positions, right?

The next season, it looked right, as the Warriors blazed their way to the best record in the NBA, but then fell apart in game 7 of the Western Conference Finals, losing to an average Phoenix team. That was the start of the Warriors' collapse into 40 years of oblivion, with only a few blips of minimal success over that time.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - George Santayana


Good point. I don't know if I can wait another 40 years.
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SFCityBear;842508038 said:

As I stated in another thread, you have to be very, very careful when you begin to mess with a roster after winning an NBA title, and the prime example of that was the 1975 Warriors who traded what they thought was not an essential player in Butch Beard to the Cavs for Dwight Davis, the power forward they thought they needed. They picked up slick guard Gus Williams in the draft, to replace Beard, and it was upgrades at both positions, right?

The next season, it looked right, as the Warriors blazed their way to the best record in the NBA, but then fell apart in game 7 of the Western Conference Finals, losing to an average Phoenix team. That was the start of the Warriors' collapse into 40 years of oblivion, with only a few blips of minimal success over that time.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - George Santayana


i know and i agreed with you. i wasnt suggesting for them to mess with the roster. my point was the decisions that they are going to have to make down the road when some of these guy's contracts expire in a couple years. theres going to be very little change to this coming year's roster in my opinion.

the change is going to be down the line. for example, i believe at some point ezeli will overtake bogut as the starter. like lee, two years from now, would you pay bogut 12 million a year to play backup center. would bogut be happy in that role? that was all my point was for that post
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RaphaelAglietti;842508035 said:

Durant is the target 2016 FA acquisition for the Warriors assuming he's healthy.

Draymond is a RFA so it's likely he'd get a 4 year offer near or at the mid level cap(approx 16 mil/yr)

Options for trading Lee include this years #1, 2019 #1, multiple 2nds, or bad contracts coming back or some combo of the above. Warriors cannot trade their 2016 or 2018 1st rounder as they already traded their 2017 1st rounder (can't trade 1st rounders in consecutive years unless you acquire 1st rounders from another team and even then you can't trade pick based on the the team's finish)

Re: Barnes he could be traded although his skill set is quite valuable despite not being a dominant player.


. . . not being a dominant player, YET!
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mikecohen;842508061 said:

. . . not being a dominant player, YET!



GSW should not trade Barnes... low salary for 2015/16: 3,873,398... and continues to improve.. (he is only 23)
Athletic wing (young, fast, quick, jumps well, nails his J from the corner 3, good defender)..

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RaphaelAglietti;842508035 said:

Durant is the target 2016 FA acquisition for the Warriors assuming he's healthy.

Draymond is a RFA so it's likely he'd get a 4 year offer near or at the mid level cap(approx 16 mil/yr)

Options for trading Lee include this years #1, 2019 #1, multiple 2nds, or bad contracts coming back or some combo of the above. Warriors cannot trade their 2016 or 2018 1st rounder as they already traded their 2017 1st rounder (can't trade 1st rounders in consecutive years unless you acquire 1st rounders from another team and even then you can't trade pick based on the the team's finish)

Re: Barnes he could be traded although his skill set is quite valuable despite not being a dominant player.


Are there enough shots to go around if they actually got Durrant? I guess some combination of lee, speights and barnes shots go to durrant, with Klay and Curry maybe also taking a few less shots?
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aws56;842508069 said:

Are there enough shots to go around if they actually got Durrant? I guess some combination of lee, speights and barnes shots go to durrant, with Klay and Curry maybe also taking a few less shots?


Not so bad, considering that, if anyone approaches the shooting level of the Splash Bros., it's Durant.
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mikecohen;842508071 said:

Not so bad, considering that, if anyone approaches the shooting level of the Splash Bros., it's Durant.


Let's ask the NBA logo if he wants Durant as part of the 2016/17 team roster.

Three Splashketeers (actually this moniker may be a bit corny, but the point being, Durant can flat out shoot the ball 5 feet behind the line)


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going4roses;842507876 said:

any rookie help ?


How about a guy some of saw at Haas ( not many of us though, I can tell you) Tyler Harvey from EWU ? He looks a really good player that would be there at # 30.
Here's a vid from that game.
[video=youtube;JPk3EG0tD28][/video]
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According to Draft Express, Harvey should still be there into the 50's.....he can shoot the lights out but his defense and handle leave a lot to be desired....I'm not sure the dubs need another shooter, especially one who doesn't play much D....
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bearmanpg;842508278 said:

According to Draft Express, Harvey should still be there into the 50's.....he can shoot the lights out but his defense and handle leave a lot to be desired....I'm not sure the dubs need another shooter, especially one who doesn't play much D....


The issue is can he play D, if it is made clear to him that he must.
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south bender;842508279 said:

The issue is can he play D, if it is made clear to him that he must.


Correct. You can't play on this team unless you are long and can play defense. When the dubs go small, you have to be able to switch on everything and guard every position.

Like I said before, a 3and d guy like bellinelli would be ideal. And yes, bellinelli learned how to play defense after leaving the dubs after he played for the Bulls and Spurs.
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Along with Bob Myers (recognized with NBA executive of year award this past season), in background in the development of the GSW squad is Larry Riley.
Came to GSW with Don Nelson and was GM when Steph Curry drafted... when Bob Myers replaced him as GM, he stayed on with team as director of scouting.

The moves GSW have made these past few years, time after time, more often than not, come up Aces.

go gsW
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btsktr;842507918 said:

The third round doesn't exist


No kidding. And a first rounder is not the equivalent of a second-rounder if you know anything about the contract side of the NBA. Apparently my sense of humor didn't get through to you.
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RaphaelAglietti;842508035 said:

Durant is the target 2016 FA acquisition for the Warriors assuming he's healthy.

Draymond is a RFA so it's likely he'd get a 4 year offer near or at the mid level cap(approx 16 mil/yr)

Options for trading Lee include this years #1, 2019 #1, multiple 2nds, or bad contracts coming back or some combo of the above. Warriors cannot trade their 2016 or 2018 1st rounder as they already traded their 2017 1st rounder (can't trade 1st rounders in consecutive years unless you acquire 1st rounders from another team and even then you can't trade pick based on the the team's finish)

Re: Barnes he could be traded although his skill set is quite valuable despite not being a dominant player.


The Warriors are in talks with Barnes regarding an extension. He and Green aren't going anywhere unless everyone involved is lying.
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aws56;842508069 said:

Are there enough shots to go around if they actually got Durrant? I guess some combination of lee, speights and barnes shots go to durrant, with Klay and Curry maybe also taking a few less shots?


Yeah, there are enough shots to go around. My questions would be whether he comes back from his injury, whether he'd play good enough defense, and how they manage to clear cap space. On the last I'd think it would be by moving Lee and Iguodala sometime before next summer's free agency period.
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bluesaxe;842508303 said:

Yeah, there are enough shots to go around. My questions would be whether he comes back from his injury, whether he'd play good enough defense, and how they manage to clear cap space. On the last I'd think it would be by moving Lee and Iguodala sometime before next summer's free agency period.


Can you imagine playing draymond at the five and durant at the four. That would possibly be the greatest offensive team in the nba, ever. There would be zero way you could guard that.

It would also force the opposing team to go small. If you stayed big, I don't see how you can guard the 1-5 pick and roll.
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Zerk;842508054 said:

I've heard this a few times, but something doesn't make sense. They go to the Western Conference Finals and lose in a game 7, doesn't seem too bad. What happened in the offseason after that run in the playoffs?


I didn't mean to imply that it was a sudden collapse of a franchise. It was gradual. The Warriors were a very good established franchise and had gone to the NBA Finals in 1964 and 1967. Rick Barry jumping to the NBA ruined the next few seasons, but he returned, and the W's won the title in 1975. The decline from the 1976 playoff loss took perhaps 3 years to happen:

1975: 48-34, 1st place NBA Pacific Division, NBA championship with 4-0 sweep over the Bullets
1976: 59-23, 1st place NBA Pacific Division, lost 3-4 to Phoenix in Western Conference Final
1977: 46-36, 3rd place NBA Pacific Division, lost 3-4 to LA Lakers in Western Conference Semi-Final
1978: 43-39, 5th and last place NBA Pacific Division, missed playoffs
1979: 38-44, 6th and last place, NBA Pacific Division, missed playoffs

I suppose there are many reasons for the decline. For one, the competition. The Pacific Division was the strongest NBA division, top to bottom, over the five seasons, with very few Pacific teams having losing records. The Warriors won the NBA title in 1975, the Blazers won it in 1977 and the Sonics won it in 1979. The Lakers with Jabbar were always tough. Even the Clippers who joined the Pacific in 1978-9 had a winning record (and ten players averaging in double figures). In 1976-77, the ABA merged with the NBA, adding a lot of very good talent to the league.

In the off season after the 1976 finals debacle, the Warriors drafted Robert Parish and Sonny Parker. They waived rookie guard Robert Hawkins, who had averaged only 4 points, and he joined the Nets, where he averaged 19 points. By drafting Parish, this made George Johnson, the reserve center who was the catalyst for the Warrior's fast break, expendable. Parish was to supposed to be an upgrade over Johnson, but it may have been a possible source of friction. Parish did not play well for the Warriors. It was hard to see where Parker would fit in, as Barry and Wilkes were established starters. Jeff Mullins retired.

In 1975, they started a team of older veterans plus rookie Wilkes. It was a slower team, more of a half-court team on offense, and a good man-to-man defensive team. The trouble was they often got off to a slow start in games and would fall behind. Coach Attles tried substituting in the normal manner, but it wasn't much help. He then either hit upon the idea (or, in my opinion, he got so disgusted with the first unit) to substitute 5 fresh new players all at once. The second unit was a fast-breaking team, blocking shots and stealing the ball to create havoc, and they would blow by the other team. Later in the game, Attles would put the veterans back in to calm things down and hold the lead. Barry often played with both units. Attles was lauded as the first coach to use the concept of substituting 5 players at once to entirely change the momentum of the game.

With that second half meltdown in the Conference Finals in 1976, Attles abandoned that strategy for the first time. The following season, he rarely used it, and went to a more conventional lineup, naming Phil Smith and Gus Williams starters, and with the 5 starters getting the majority of minutes. There was still a 10-11 man rotation but the minutes of key players like George Johnson and Charles Johnson were reduced.

In the 1977 off season, Jamal Wilkes left and signed as a free agent with the Lakers, and Gus Williams left and signed as a free agent with the Sonics. They traded George Johnson for Wesley Cox, who was a bust. They added E.C. Coleman and Nate Williams and drafted Rickey Green and Ricky Marsh. They played 1978 with the 5 starters again getting the most minutes and basically a 7-8 man rotation, and gone forever was the unit substitution strategy. Charles Johnson was waived at mid-season, and signed with the Bullets, played 20 minutes a game for them, as they won the NBA Championship that year.

In the 1978 off-season, Rick Barry left and signed as a free agent with Houston, and the Warriors received John Lucas as compensation. Derrick Dickey left and signed with the Lakers, but was released. E.C. Coleman was waived and signed with the Rockets. Rickey Marsh and Wes Cox were waived. Rickey Green was traded for a future draft pick. They signed an aging JoJo White, and Tom Abernathy. They drafted Wayne Cooper, Purvis Short, Ray Epps and Ray Townsend. They proceeded to have a losing record for the next 4 years.

They had a great year, followed by an almost great year, and then three years of decline to the basement of the Pacific division. The only players who played for the Warriors for all 5 years were Clifford Ray and Phil Smith. Some of the players who left went on to have good careers, but most did not. Charles Johnson, Robert Parish, Jamal Wilkes, and Gus Williams would go on to win NBA Championships with other teams. Messing with chemistry to improve a team is always a risky gamble.
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SFCityBear;842508333 said:

I didn't mean to imply that it was a sudden collapse of a franchise...with chemistry to improve a team is always a risky gamble.


I read somewhere that Franklin Mieuli (sp?) didn't have the money to compete -- championship caliber players expect to be paid top dollar, and rightfully so.

Warriors now do not (yet) seem to have that problem, they are making good money and ready to pay their talent (and the luxury tax) from what I hear. Ownership management and coaching seem to be in place for a string of good years.

But I don't expect the warriors to win the championship next year. There are a lot of very good teams and players out there that will all be looking to heal and improve.
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ducky23;842508305 said:

Can you imagine playing draymond at the five and durant at the four. That would possibly be the greatest offensive team in the nba, ever. There would be zero way you could guard that.

It would also force the opposing team to go small. If you stayed big, I don't see how you can guard the 1-5 pick and roll.


I'd opt for going after Marc Gasol (and trading Bogut and Lee). That gives you a much more mobile, offensively skilled big who can also kill it in a pick & roll. He's also not a bad defender. Can't remember if he's a restricted or un-restricted FA though.
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SFCityBear;842508038 said:

As I stated in another thread, you have to be very, very careful when you begin to mess with a roster after winning an NBA title, and the prime example of that was the 1975 Warriors who traded what they thought was not an essential player in Butch Beard to the Cavs for Dwight Davis, the power forward they thought they needed. They picked up slick guard Gus Williams in the draft, to replace Beard, and it was upgrades at both positions, right?

The next season, it looked right, as the Warriors blazed their way to the best record in the NBA, but then fell apart in game 7 of the Western Conference Finals, losing to an average Phoenix team. That was the start of the Warriors' collapse into 40 years of oblivion, with only a few blips of minimal success over that time.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - George Santayana



Didn't Rick Barry get blamed for the series loss? Some type of chemistry problems with the team?
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RaphaelAglietti;842508035 said:

Durant is the target 2016 FA acquisition for the Warriors assuming he's healthy.

Draymond is a RFA so it's likely he'd get a 4 year offer near or at the mid level cap(approx 16 mil/yr)

Options for trading Lee include this years #1, 2019 #1, multiple 2nds, or bad contracts coming back or some combo of the above. Warriors cannot trade their 2016 or 2018 1st rounder as they already traded their 2017 1st rounder (can't trade 1st rounders in consecutive years unless you acquire 1st rounders from another team and even then you can't trade pick based on the the team's finish)

Re: Barnes he could be traded although his skill set is quite valuable despite not being a dominant player.




Forget Durant, target Jaylen Brown in the 2016 draft! Brown already has better handles, passing and feel for the game than Harrison Barnes.
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Cal's David Kravish, all-time leader in blocked shots, and the Farm's leading scorer, Chasson Randle, have agreed to play on the W's summer-league team in Vegas.

Go Kravish!
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JSML;842509854 said:

Forget Durant, target Jaylen Brown in the 2016 draft! Brown already has better handles, passing and feel for the game than Harrison Barnes.


dubs wont have that high of a draft pick unless they get a rash of injuries
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