Coleman
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Last: 9 yr ago by BearsObserver
BearDevil;842657975 said:
Coleman replaces Wallace with a two season recruiting class offset from Hickman (Singer). Still likely need to replace Jaylen and/or Rabb in 2016 and definitely Bird, Mathews, Domingo, and RMB in 2017. 2017 team could get by without another SF (Bird, Domingo) with no Jaylen, so PF with or without Rabb is the more pressing need.
Technically no room at the moment, so Bowman would only makes sense if Rabb stays and Bowman's significantly better than potential 2017 guard options and more impactful than any 2016 PFs. Can't see room in the manger for another 2016 guard if Yurtseven were truly in the mix. Rabb, K2, and Yurtseven would make for an unconventional 5/4 rotation, but complementary SF wouldn't need to rebound much.
Yurtseven is still being recruited along with Bowman and other grad transfer options are being looked at for bigs.
DNP in his latest game with Fenerbahce against Red Star Belgrade. BTW, Jerome Randle's team is in the other bracket but in last place.
http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=186&seasoncode=E2015
http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=186&seasoncode=E2015
BearBackerinLA;842658075 said:
latest on Yurtseven ...
http://www.havadiskibris.com/Haberler/spor/omer-faruk-yurtseven-kizilyildiz-kadrosuna-alindi/79778
Man, not woman.
Why didn't we just go hard after Vasiljevic?
CalHoopFan;842658039 said:
Not an explosive, fast twitch athlete. Jordan Mathews is a good comparison in this regard. Decent handle and will use the left but doesn't finish well with the left - very right handed offensively. Got some strength and not afraid to mix it up at either end. Hustles, high motor defensive player. Best part of his game is a solid release on his jumper. Not super quick but not slow either and good form. Don't see him beating folks off the bounce regularly. Best case feels like a smart, tough kid who can shoot and handle it a bit as a backup PG.
Even if his ceiling is a backup PG, that's not necessarily a bad thing. Very few coaches ever give meaningful mins (> 10 MPG) to more than nine players. That means at least four guys are going to be developmental or emergency players. Don't need 8 future NBA players fior a deep run. Gordon Hayward was an excellent college player and a promising pro, but his Butler team got to the finals with only one other NBA player and got back without Hayward. California's big enough and Cal's prestigious enough that there will always be more than enough walk on practice players available.
Cuonzo and Yanni understand the current OAD environment well and have managed the roster well. Offensive shortcomings can be aggravating at times, but Yanni's earning his keep.
CalEnviroLaw;842658055 said:
Apparently those were HS videos when he was 6'1". He is now almost 6'4" and may be still growing. That will make a big difference in his game.
I watched videos from this past season. I'd say he's halfway between an Emerson Murray and Tyler Dorsey. Not a difference making recruit. Good fit from a defense and need (backup PG) perspective.
CalHoopFan;842658107 said:
I watched videos from this past season. I'd say he's halfway between an Emerson Murray and Tyler Dorsey. Not a difference making recruit. Good fit from a defense and need (backup PG) perspective.
Actually, watching Oregon now, he looks a little like Dillon Brooks, but more athletic. That would be nice. I hope this is like an Allen Crabbe situation where he is a late bloomer. Like Crabbe, who was not even recruited by ucla, as I recall.
CalHoopFan;842658107 said:
I watched videos from this past season. I'd say he's halfway between an Emerson Murray and Tyler Dorsey. Not a difference making recruit. Good fit from a defense and need (backup PG) perspective.
If you are going to play pressure man-to-man defense and freelance offense the number one thing you need is quickness. This is why Chauca never gets on the floor, and I don't see how Coleman will be any different.
Sluggo
sluggo_Cal;842658113 said:
If you are going to play pressure man-to-man defense and freelance offense the number one thing you need is quickness. This is why Chauca never gets on the floor, and I don't see how Coleman will be any different.
Sluggo
You are not seeing clearly if you think Chauca is as quick as Coleman.
tsubamoto2001;842658083 said:
Why didn't we just go hard after Vasiljevic?
Not enough of a pg?
CalEnviroLaw;842658118 said:
You are not seeing clearly if you think Chauca is as quick as Coleman.
Some people here argue that Chauca is quick. He is more frenetic and Coleman is more smooth. Neither is quick enough to play in the pac12.
Sluggo
sluggo_Cal;842658122 said:
Some people here argue that Chauca is quick. He is more frenetic and Coleman is more smooth. Neither is quick enough to play in the pac12.
Sluggo
Really about Coleman???
sluggo_Cal;842658122 said:
Some people here argue that Chauca is quick. He is more frenetic and Coleman is more smooth. Neither is quick enough to play in the pac12.
Sluggo
Coach Martin and I disagree.
CalEnviroLaw;842658134 said:
Coach Martin and I disagree.
What does Coach Martin say about Chauca? When he was recruited I said he was too slow.
Sluggo
sluggo_Cal;842658136 said:
What does Coach Martin say about Chauca? When he was recruited I said he was too slow.
Sluggo
Don't know. I was referring to Coleman, who looks like a player.
Dejan continuing to put up numbers as he just finished helping his team win the Aussie Under 20 championship ...
tsubamoto2001;842658083 said:
Why didn't we just go hard after Vasiljevic?
CalEnviroLaw;842658134 said:
Coach Martin and I disagree.
Well, it's clear that Sluggo thinks he knows a lot more about coaching and recruiting than Martin and his staff do.
It is too bad Cal couldn't have gotten Azubuike,since he listed Cal and Auburn as favorites for awhile. The lure of Rock Chalk Jayhawk land was too much to overcome I guess.
sluggo_Cal;842658113 said:
If you are going to play pressure man-to-man defense and freelance offense the number one thing you need is quickness. This is why Chauca never gets on the floor, and I don't see how Coleman will be any different.
Sluggo
Well then it's a good thing cal doesn't play pressure man to man defense.
That's not their defensive scheme at all
CalEnviroLaw;842658110 said:
Actually, watching Oregon now, he looks a little like Dillon Brooks, but more athletic. That would be nice. I hope this is like an Allen Crabbe situation where he is a late bloomer. Like Crabbe, who was not even recruited by ucla, as I recall.
Allen Crabbe was a top 100 player and the CA state player of the year. His recruiting standing was light years better than Coleman as was his film. Coleman's a "nice" player but he's not in the same class as Crabbe, Dillon Brooks (who has 4" and 25lbs on Coleman) or Tyler Dorsey.
Right now his downside is Emerson Murray, his upside is ??? but it's not Allen Crabbe, Brooks, Dorsey or anyone else with a possible NBA career. Let's manage expectations here
ducky23;842658158 said:
Well then it's a good thing cal doesn't play pressure man to man defense.
That's not their defensive scheme at all
You are right. I should have left it at man-to-man.
What do you think of him based on his film?
Sluggo
Vol70;842658151 said:
Well, it's clear that Sluggo thinks he knows a lot more about coaching and recruiting than Martin and his staff do.
Please. I know infinitely less about coaching. And I know nothing about the mechanics of recruiting. But anyone can watch tape.
Sluggo
sluggo_Cal;842658113 said:
If you are going to play pressure man-to-man defense and freelance offense the number one thing you need is quickness. This is why Chauca never gets on the floor, and I don't see how Coleman will be any different.
Sluggo
Coleman's way bigger and not as much of a liability on D. He will get minutes next year behind Singer. We'll go hard after a PG in the next class too.
CalHoopFan;842658557 said:
Allen Crabbe was a top 100 player and the CA state player of the year. His recruiting standing was light years better than Coleman as was his film. Coleman's a "nice" player but he's not in the same class as Crabbe, Dillon Brooks (who has 4" and 25lbs on Coleman) or Tyler Dorsey.
Right now his downside is Emerson Murray, his upside is ??? but it's not Allen Crabbe, Brooks, Dorsey or anyone else with a possible NBA career. Let's manage expectations here
OK now, revisionist history on Crabbe. He became all that you listed during his senior year, AFTER he signed with Cal. That was the comparison since Coleman has grown a lot and improved a lot since he was rated. I remember another guy by the name of Jorge who improved a lot after he signed. No need to put a ceiling on Dontae, because I am sure he is not doing that to himself.
And your facts are way off on Brooks, who is 6'5" (about 1" taller than Coleman) and was a 4*. The comparison is totally valid. And I am sure that Dontae is a lot smarter.
CalEnviroLaw;842658577 said:
OK now, revisionist history on Crabbe. He became all that you listed during his senior year, AFTER he signed with Cal. That was the comparison since Coleman has grown a lot and improved a lot since he was rated. I remember another guy by the name of Jorge who improved a lot after he signed. No need to put a ceiling on Dontae, because I am sure he is not doing that to himself.
And your facts are way off on Brooks, who is 6'5" (about 1" taller than Coleman) and was a 4*. The comparison is totally valid. And I am sure that Dontae is a lot smarter.
Jorge signed out of Findlay Prep. He competed on a national level in HS.
Coleman doesn't look to be taller than 6'2", so no, he's not only an 1" shorter than Brooks. There's no comparison--Brooks is a wing, whereas Coleman seems to be a combo guard.
tsubamoto2001;842658590 said:
Jorge signed out of Findlay Prep. He competed on a national level in HS.
Coleman doesn't look to be taller than 6'2", so no, he's not only an 1" shorter than Brooks. There's no comparison--Brooks is a wing, whereas Coleman seems to be a combo guard.
I know that you know that Jorge was a lightly recruited late signee.
Man, nobody does a fact check. He is 6'3.5" and apparently still growing. Are you looking at his HS video? Check Moraga's story. He is a good shooting PG, so comparison to SG/PG Brooks is valid.
CalEnviroLaw;842658592 said:
I know that you know that Jorge was a lightly recruited late signee.
Man, nobody does a fact check. He is 6'3.5" and apparently still growing. Are you looking at his HS video? Check Moraga's story. He is a good shooting PG, so comparison to SG/PG Brooks is valid.
Dillon Brooks is a 6'7" forward and possible Pac12 POY. Are you thinking of 6' Aaron Brooks that played for Oregon 10 years ago? Regardless, it is puzzling were you are seeing probable pro level type talent from Coleman in his videos.
Maybe hoping for Justin Cobbs type upside would be more reasonable.
Civil Bear;842658623 said:
Dillon Brooks is a 6'7" forward and possible Pac12 POY. Are you thinking of 6' Aaron Brooks that played for Oregon 10 years ago? Regardless, it is puzzling were you are seeing probable pro level type talent from Coleman in his videos.
Maybe hoping for Justin Cobbs type upside would be more reasonable.
From 247Sports.com:
"Player Background
Dillon Brooks is a 6-5, 185-pound Small Forward from Mississauga, Canada. Brooks has a 247Sports rating of 89, making him a 3-star prospect."
Not thinking of Aaron Brooks, who is 4" shorter than Coleman. That would not be a good comparison. If you have seen Oregon play this year, you know that Dillon Brooks is a guard who handles the ball a lot since their point guard was injured and out for the season.
Sometimes listed as a forward, in Oregon's system he is a guard. From the Pac 12 website, for example:
"Oregon's Dillon Brooks talks win over Utah in men's basketball
Jan 15, 2016
Pac-12 Networks' Lewis Johnson talks with Oregon guard Dillon Brooks after his team's 77-59 victory over Utah in men's basketball."
That said, I would be very happy to have another player as good as Justin Cobbs.
Not sure why so many are so negative on Coleman. He looks like a baller who is blowing up physically and skill-wise. Good scouting by our coaching staff to get on him before the rest of the big boys come calling.
sluggo_Cal;842658568 said:
Please. I know infinitely less about coaching. And I know nothing about the mechanics of recruiting. But anyone can watch tape.
Sluggo
And have an opinion. Plenty of those around here.
sluggo_Cal;842658567 said:
You are right. I should have left it at man-to-man.
What do you think of him based on his film?
Sluggo
I thought you were a prominent bball player from a few decades ago?
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