OT. Warriors in trouble?

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MoragaBear
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It's easy to forget because the Warriors have largely seemed in control all along and ended up cruising to victories but it was a 10 point game with 11 minutes left in the opener and an 11 point game with 3 minutes left in the 3rd in Game 2.

Not super close but certainly a decent amount closer than how the games ended.

Personally, I don't think any Cavs lineup will be especially effective in crunch time when the Warriors really get it done, though they can certainly pull out a game in Cleveland.
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MoragaBear;842698875 said:

It's easy to forget because the Warriors have largely seemed in control all along and ended up cruising to victories but it was a 10 point game with 11 minutes left in the opener and an 11 point game with 3 minutes left in the 3rd in Game 2.

Not super close but certainly a decent amount closer than how the games ended.

Personally, I don't think any Cavs lineup will be especially effective in crunch time when the Warriors really get it done, though they can certainly pull out a game in Cleveland.


Well, I don't consider 11 and 15 minutes left the end of the game, hence my confusion.
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MoragaBear;842698866 said:

I think that has more to do with who's on the floor late in the game when the Warriors are hardest to control and have been making their runs all postseason.


Yeah, so why do you suppose it seems that the W's have so much more streak ability at the end of games?
Like, I've psychological cone to assume that we will win any tie game comfortably.

Is is the depth and sub pattern? Starters get back in fresh with opponents who were busy guarding our deep bench?
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concordtom;842698887 said:

Yeah, so why do you suppose it seems that the W's have so much more streak ability at the end of games?
Like, I've psychological cone to assume that we will win any tie game comfortably.

Is is the depth and sub pattern? Starters get back in fresh with opponents who were busy guarding our deep bench?


I'll take a shot here...The W's subs have been so effective especially against the Cavs 2nd string that Cleveland has to play Lebron and other starters more minutes just to keep it close. Come the end of the games, Cleveland's starters have played a few minutes and are not as fresh. Then they have to chase the W's offense all over the court because, as we know, the ball is movingall over the place. That leaves the shooters open on top or leaves a breaking W free under the basket.
gobears
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GSW the past two season has had more problems when the other teams have gone big vs small. This does not mean GSW has not adjusted and prevailed, but just going big creates more problems than if the other team goes small.

Grizz with Gasol/Zach gave GSW 2 losses in row, going down "2-1".
Cavs 2015 finals, with Tristan/Mozgof (with Lebron) gave 2 losses in row going down "2-1"
OKC, with Adams/Ibaka (and Durant at the 3, Roberson at the 2), going down "3-1"

OKC which was the longest team GSW has played in the playoffs the past 2 years gave them the most problems..


The problem with Cavs going big in game 3, Mozgof has not been mix during this playoff run... so, dropping him into SL or upping his PT on short notice, not sure how much he will contribute.

Good news for GSW is Lebron is not playing that well now..(TO's in paint, traveling, stolen balls, charges)


Add that Bogut's 1st quarter in game 2, was that his best quarter as a GSW? 4 blocks in 1st 9 minutes of game, set tone for rest of game..

goGSW (2 more wins)
goBears
bearister
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Curry channeling Chris Paul tonight. Last time I saw a game like this is when UNLV tanked the game to Duke in the NCAA Semis.
mikecohen
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I think Curry may well be seriously limited by injury. I don't think I've ever seen him playing so badly - especially the number of WIDE open shots that he's been missing; and the high number of turnovers rivals earlier years in which he was just learning how not to do that s**t (and his mother was penalizing him for each one) - that feels like distraction from too much energy expended in fighting off injury effects in an ongoing way.
concordtom
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So, I was thinking earlier today about that thread/post that said the W's finals tickets prices for lower corner bowl were $1300 each. I realize that's not EVERY ticket, but some floor tickets are much more, I imagine and the upper nosebleed is, how much?

Let's say the average ticket price is, what, $500?
19,500 seating capacity
That's nearly $10,000,000 in ticket prices.
Add in another million in concessions and parking and what have you and
that would just about pay for the entire year's salary of Curry or Iguodala.
In one game.

So, maybe the Warriors have a little extra incentive to NOT sweep.
Win game 4, bring it back to Oakland and close it out at home.
mikecohen
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concordtom;842699608 said:

So, I was thinking earlier today about that thread/post that said the W's finals tickets prices for lower corner bowl were $1300 each. I realize that's not EVERY ticket, but some floor tickets are much more, I imagine and the upper nosebleed is, how much?

Let's say the average ticket price is, what, $500?
19,500 seating capacity
That's nearly $10,000,000 in ticket prices.
Add in another million in concessions and parking and what have you and
that would just about pay for the entire year's salary of Curry or Iguodala.
In one game.

So, maybe the Warriors have a little extra incentive to NOT sweep.
Win game 4, bring it back to Oakland and close it out at home.


If I understand correctly: Problem is: The team doesn't get the premium, which goes to the RE-sellers.
philbert
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mikecohen;842699610 said:

If I understand correctly: Problem is: The team doesn't get the premium, which goes to the RE-sellers.


The Dubs priced their tix very high and essentially made it almost impossible to resell for profit.
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mikecohen;842699591 said:

I think Curry may well be seriously limited by injury. I don't think I've ever seen him playing so badly - especially the number of WIDE open shots that he's been missing; and the high number of turnovers rivals earlier years in which he was just learning how not to do that s**t (and his mother was penalizing him for each one) - that feels like distraction from too much energy expended in fighting off injury effects in an ongoing way.


You may be on to the explanation for Curry's far less than stellar play. Though he was pretty much himself in the 3rd quarter last night.
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Curry, Thompson and Green had their lowest combined scoring output in a single game since 2014.
joe amos yaks
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LeBron's message was clear. When you destroy us on your home court you should show more humility and sportsmanship instead of giggling and asz-jacking sophomoric behavior. If you don't you better be prepared or you'll be merciless destroyed on our home court.
gobears
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The home crowd does help... contrast how both teams played in games 2 and 3. Cavs 3 point shooting woke up... Lebron looked like Lebron.
Jefferson inserted into SL for Love had efficient PT.

No more need for "GSW in 4" talk, and back to the "get 1 in Cleveland".

Curry did not play well, but before finals began, I felt Cavs O plan should get Curry on bigs on low block (Lebron) and make him defend the bigs in paint. (and try to get Curry in foul trouble/off court) If Lebron "crab dribbles" and not settle for step backs/pull ups.. he is a monster when no weak side help pestering him..

When Curry goes "crazy", GSW is a hard stop.. same goes for Lebron.. tip your cap to Lebron/Cavs and on to game 4.

goGSW (2 more wins)
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south bender;842699651 said:

You may be on to the explanation for Curry's far less than stellar play. Though he was pretty much himself in the 3rd quarter last night.


Curry took himself out of the game with his poor decisions and TO'S and his attempts to play a strong physical game.
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concordtom;842699608 said:

So, I was thinking earlier today about that thread/post that said the W's finals tickets prices for lower corner bowl were $1300 each. I realize that's not EVERY ticket, but some floor tickets are much more, I imagine and the upper nosebleed is, how much?

Let's say the average ticket price is, what, $500?
19,500 seating capacity
That's nearly $10,000,000 in ticket prices.
Add in another million in concessions and parking and what have you and
that would just about pay for the entire year's salary of Curry or Iguodala.
In one game.

So, maybe the Warriors have a little extra incentive to NOT sweep.
Win game 4, bring it back to Oakland and close it out at home.


My neighbor has gone to a couple of playoff games at Oracle and he mentioned $18 bear (12oz Bud) the first couple of games.

Then after OKC got ahead there was an email blast to come to Oracle early (3 hours ahead) and beer would be reasonably priced/normal.
oskigobears
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KNBR 5 am sports talk this morning strongly stated, his opinion of course, that Head of NBA/Silver?... more than likely talked to Kerr and advised him to cool it last nite, thus giving the advertisers, and NBA, and all others in the picture, a very lucrative Game 5 in Oakland.

And yes I know about corruption/cheating in other sports/soccer. Olympics etc., but this, if true, annoys me to death!

Big sigh!

...went back to sleep for 2+ hours....still annoyed.
concordtom
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oskigobears;842699680 said:

KNBR 5 am sports talk this morning strongly stated, his opinion of course, that Head of NBA/Silver?... more than likely talked to Kerr and advised him to cool it last nite, thus giving the advertisers, and NBA, and all others in the picture, a very lucrative Game 5 in Oakland.

And yes I know about corruption/cheating in other sports/soccer. Olympics etc., but this, if true, annoys me to death!

Big sigh!

...went back to sleep for 2+ hours....still annoyed.


Well, it is all very odd, these huge blowouts in either direction these playoffs...
I highlighted just ticket sales above, but how much is the game worth on TV? It would be very hard to turn that all down. And surely the refs and players get wrapped up in it somehow, even though there is no direct contract/pay for extending various series.

How did Toronto win those 2 in Toronto after getting blown out in Chicago?
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oskigobears;842699680 said:

KNBR 5 am sports talk this morning strongly stated, his opinion of course, that Head of NBA/Silver?... more than likely talked to Kerr and advised him to cool it last nite, thus giving the advertisers, and NBA, and all others in the picture, a very lucrative Game 5 in Oakland.

And yes I know about corruption/cheating in other sports/soccer. Olympics etc., but this, if true, annoys me to death!

Big sigh!

...went back to sleep for 2+ hours....still annoyed.


c'mon dude. i mean I'm sure there's corruption. but there's no way Silver approaches Kerr and Kerr just goes with it.

I mean, how would Kerr even be able to throw a game. Come up with a bad gameplan? Tell his players not to try?
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a blurb from the comicle on reselling:

Finals ticket prices: The profit in reselling tickets to games 1 and 2 of the NBA Finals in Oakland were way down this year compared with the same matchup — Golden State Warriors vs. Cleveland Cavaliers — last year.
The Warriors charged more for playoff tickets this year, while prices paid on the resale market were down, according to online ticket marketplaces.
Games 1 and 2 were played in Oakland Thursday and Sunday. Games 3 and 4 move to Cleveland Wednesday and Friday.
On StubHub, the median price paid for Game 1 at Oracle Arena was $637 this year versus $908 last year, a 30 percent drop. The median price for Game 2 was $790 versus $917 last year, down 14 percent.
“I think it’s entirely due to the fact that it’s the second year in a row the Warriors have made the Finals. That’s not to say there still isn’t demand, there clearly is. But whenever a team goes through a long drought without a Finals appearance then makes it, fans often flood the market and will pay almost anything to get in. That’s what happened last year,” StubHub spokesman Cameron Papp said in an email. Before last year, the Warriors had not been in the Finals since 1975.
Other marketplaces, which calculate average prices, also saw a drop. The average is calculated by adding up all the prices paid and dividing the the number of tickets sold. It can be skewed upward by a few very expensive tickets.
SeatGeek reported that average ticket prices were $1,026 for Game 1 this year vs. $1,306 last year, a 21 percent drop. For Game 2, the average resale price was $1,161 versus 1,377 last year, down 16 percent.
Rukkus, another online marketplace, said that average prices for Game 1 dropped to $1,329 this year from $1,479 last year. For Game 2, they rose slightly to $1,576 from $1,502.
Historically speaking, these prices are still astronomical. Rukkus notes that last year’s ticket prices were nearly double what they had been for the prior three finals, and Warriors tickets were selling for almost 20 percent more than Cavaliers tickets. “This year that margin is even larger with Warriors Game 1 tickets selling for 51 percent more than Game 3 in Cleveland, and Game 2 selling for 46 percent more than Game 4,” said Jake Adelman, Rukkus‘ digital marketing manager.
A group of season ticket holders I wrote about last week, who paid $1,000 for each of their seats, for games 1 and 2 and resold them, got only $750 net of fees for Game 1 and $950 for Game 2.
“So we lost $600 on two games of the NBA Finals,” said Steve Itelson, one of the ticket partners. “I saw there were still over 300 seats available on the Warriors website at 4 p.m. Sunday, one hour before the game started, including some in our section.”
One of the group’s partners will attend Game 5, if there is one. If there is a Game 7, the group plans to sell tickets and, with luck, will end up with an overall profit for the finals.
For the entire playoff series to date, “We ended up plus $8 per partner because the last game against Oklahoma City sold well above $380 face price,” Itelson said.
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The moon landing was faked. 9/11 was a false flag operation. Oswald did not act alone. Chemtrails. The NBA fixes NBA finals games to enhance revenue. Oh, and two "injuries" to key Cal players right before the Hawaii NCAA tournament game--coincidence? Just saying...
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ducky23;842699684 said:

c'mon dude. i mean I'm sure there's corruption. but there's no way Silver approaches Kerr and Kerr just goes with it.

I mean, how would Kerr even be able to throw a game. Come up with a bad gameplan? Tell his players not to try?


The Warriors have "thrown" every Game 3 this postseason, if that's what you mean. In the offseason the coaching staff is going to be looking at initial away-game prep because it is lacking.
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fify

Strykur;842699691 said:

The Warriors have "thrown" every Game 3 this postseason, if that's what you mean. In the offseason the coaching staff is going to be looking at initial playoff away-game prep because they only lost 9 regular season games this year and there's nothing else to look at.
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ducky23;842699684 said:

I mean, how would Kerr even be able to throw a game. Come up with a bad gameplan? Tell his players not to try?


I don't think he's actually throwing the game, but I hope he now realizes that Bogut, Varejao, and the other big men are a bad matchup when the Cavs don't have Love or Mozgov on the floor. Just go small when they go small. That should win the series.
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oskigobears;842699680 said:

KNBR 5 am sports talk this morning strongly stated, his opinion of course, that Head of NBA/Silver?... more than likely talked to Kerr and advised him to cool it last nite, thus giving the advertisers, and NBA, and all others in the picture, a very lucrative Game 5 in Oakland.

And yes I know about corruption/cheating in other sports/soccer. Olympics etc., but this, if true, annoys me to death!

Big sigh!

...went back to sleep for 2+ hours....still annoyed.


Please. Warriors got their asses handed to them, and spoiled brats try to rationalize that the fix is in. Unbelievable. Go Cavs.
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GRRAAH;842699704 said:

Please. Warriors got their asses handed to them, and spoiled brats try to rationalize that the fix is in. Unbelievable. Go Cavs.


Cav's will now win the series.. Warriors look like Washington State. Thompson dreamed he was still there and played like it.Right..........
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Cleveland played a whole lot better in game 3 than they had in 1 or 2. Warriors can plan and play better to keep Irving from going off, reduce Smith's open looks and cut down on their turnovers.

Looking like a good, competitive series now.
joe amos yaks
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Go W's!
mikecohen
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Except for the most heroic performance I can recall, in Game 6 vs, OKC, Klay has not been as consistent (and dominant) as Curry. Now Curry is neither. Klay often goes through streaks of missing wide open 3s. That is now Curry's default mode. I've attributed Curry's decreased production to ongoing effects of unspoken injury or injuries. That is the difference here. There were more than one instance yesterday when otherwise automatic 3s by one of the splash brothers could have trimmed the score to 3 or 6, which, if followed up by one of their patented streaks that occurred regularly during the regular season, could have turned yesterday's game completely around. But there was nothing like that in yesterday's game; and it is the major difference between yesterday and what was regular all season long.
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mikecohen;842699738 said:

Klay often goes through streaks of missing wide open 3s. That is now Curry's default mode.


So far in the thee finals games Curry is:
3 for 8
4 for 8
3 for 9

That's well within normal for Curry. He's shooting a bit less often since Cleveland has been focused on stopping him.

In the regular season he was:
5.1 for 11.2
and in the playoffs so far:
4.1 for 10.2


He's been good on the open ones in this series. He hasn't done well on the Steph ones where he takes tough long shots off the dribble.
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ducky23;842699684 said:

c'mon dude. i mean I'm sure there's corruption. but there's no way Silver approaches Kerr and Kerr just goes with it.

I mean, how would Kerr even be able to throw a game. Come up with a bad gameplan? Tell his players not to try?


Not saying Warriors tanked game but how it is done in point shaving and how UNLV did it vs. Duke is quite rudimentary: the players deliberately miss shots. You can fix a football game by getting to a QB or a linebacker. You "miss" throws and key tackles.
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MSaviolives;842699689 said:

Just saying...


The moon landing was faked. Wrong
9/11 was a false flag operation. Wrong
Oswald did not act alone. Who knows?
Chemtrails. Say what?
The NBA fixes NBA finals games to enhance revenue. Not "fixes", but yeah.
Oh, and two "injuries" to key Cal players right before the Hawaii NCAA tournament game--[U]coincidence[/U]? Correct.
concordtom
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Strykur;842699691 said:

The Warriors have "thrown" every Game 3 this postseason, if that's what you mean.


Good way to make sure you get that extra revenue for FOUR "game 3's" this post-season!
Fo-Fo-Fo sounds great, but doesn't make you so much money. Well, at least it leaves a lot on the table.
If you want to make history, go 73-9 in the regular season. Been there, done that.
It's the best of both worlds: History and Income!
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Sharks?
concordtom
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oskidunker;842699814 said:

Sharks?


Looks like Penguins wrap it up in Game 5 in Pittsburgh, no?
Not much more to talk about.
 
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