Another question is whether that level of success would be sustainable with his recruiting. My answer is a resounding NO. Apparently Cuonzo felt the same and bailed out.ducky23 said:
Did he underachieve with the talent? Sure. But again, that's not the issue. The question is how well did cal do that year comparable to other years.
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stu said:Another question is whether that level of success would be sustainable with his recruiting. My answer is a resounding NO. Apparently Cuonzo felt the same and bailed out.ducky23 said:
Did he underachieve with the talent? Sure. But again, that's not the issue. The question is how well did cal do that year comparable to other years.
Make no mistake, Cuonzo left for the money.
I think I found the superior coaching more entertaining than the talent. There are lots to like about both aspects and ONE versus the OTHER is very frustrating, so I'd like a little of both. From experience, I can tell you that inferior coaching and moderate (or inferior) talent is simply unpalatable, but moderate coaching and moderate (or young/inferior) talent is at least palatable. The current staff is the only time in the last 30 years, that I haven't enjoyed Cal Basketball - and we have had a mix of coaching and talent during that time.
Cal's objective should be superior coaching and moderate talent. I would take that over superior talent and moderate coaching. Too much disappointment in the latter scenario, I'm afraid. This is possible, since the coaching in the P12 is generally moderate and we will have a tough time beating out the top programs for talent (not that we can't compete, but we are a very long way off from getting superior talent than UA, OR, UCLA and a few others). Utah is probably a good recent example that we would be ecstatic to emulate at this stage.
That's all from a fan perspective (mine). However, Ducky23 probably has a point that moderate coaching with superior talent may have more success in the tourney and W/L column.
Cal's objective should be superior coaching and moderate talent. I would take that over superior talent and moderate coaching. Too much disappointment in the latter scenario, I'm afraid. This is possible, since the coaching in the P12 is generally moderate and we will have a tough time beating out the top programs for talent (not that we can't compete, but we are a very long way off from getting superior talent than UA, OR, UCLA and a few others). Utah is probably a good recent example that we would be ecstatic to emulate at this stage.
That's all from a fan perspective (mine). However, Ducky23 probably has a point that moderate coaching with superior talent may have more success in the tourney and W/L column.
I'm sure. But that money wouldn't have been available after another season or two at Cal.calumnus said:
Make no mistake, Cuonzo left for the money.
This is a false dichotomy in a league like the Pac-12. The kids that go to Pac-12 schools DESIRE to get PAID to play BB. They may not make it in the show but that is their goal and thus the level of talent in the league is at that. In case you missed it - Kyle Kuzma was a first round pick (albeit very late) and Poetl was the 9th pick when he came out. Both get significant minutes in the show.
To win in the Pac-12 you HAVE to have SOME NBA talent except in very bad years for the conference.
Too many of you, I fear, are old farts who have watched Hoosiers way too many times or are still waxing about Pete N.'s run. Until things change with the one and done rule (and probably even then), to win in the Power 5 you MUST have ELITE talent....and thus if Cal wants to win it needs to find a way to do that.
To win in the Pac-12 you HAVE to have SOME NBA talent except in very bad years for the conference.
Too many of you, I fear, are old farts who have watched Hoosiers way too many times or are still waxing about Pete N.'s run. Until things change with the one and done rule (and probably even then), to win in the Power 5 you MUST have ELITE talent....and thus if Cal wants to win it needs to find a way to do that.
I emailed Jim Knowlton and asked him. Here's his response.randythebear said:
This discussion is a year old. Never reached an authoritative conclusion whether a bachelor's degree is required, or desired but not required.
Yogi,
Thank you for your note! I hope your 2019 is off to a great start.
To answer your question, there isn't an NCAA or Pac-12 rule that requires a coach to have a bachelor's degree. It is an institutional decision, and most institutions have determined that a head coach position requires a bachelor's degree. There have been exceptions around the country like Tony Gwynn, who played at San Diego State but didn't earn a degree, and SDSU hired him as the head coach of the baseball program after he retired from the Padres. This is the exception, not the rule.
Have a great week!
Go Bears!
Jim
He didn't say what Cal's policy is
He didn't, but that wasn't the point. Theoretically, lack of a degree would not be a barrier.UCBerkGrad said:
He didn't say what Cal's policy is
It tells me, that at least he put in the effort to find out. I like the cut of his job!Yogi Bear said:He didn't, but that wasn't the point. Theoretically, lack of a degree would not be a barrier.UCBerkGrad said:
He didn't say what Cal's policy is
Or he already knew the answer, which is what I took from his response.BeachedBear said:It tells me, that at least he put in the effort to find out. I like the cut of his job!Yogi Bear said:He didn't, but that wasn't the point. Theoretically, lack of a degree would not be a barrier.UCBerkGrad said:
He didn't say what Cal's policy is
I hope this is something he would know off the top of his head. It's his job after all.Yogi Bear said:Or he already knew the answer, which is what I took from his response.BeachedBear said:It tells me, that at least he put in the effort to find out. I like the cut of his job!Yogi Bear said:He didn't, but that wasn't the point. Theoretically, lack of a degree would not be a barrier.UCBerkGrad said:
He didn't say what Cal's policy is