oski003 said:
I'm not one who thinks Wyking is a bust because I think the jury is still out. The team had hardly any carry over from last year, and the better players are mostly freshmen. With that being said, if Jason wants to come here and make Cal his home, fire Wyking and hire Jason. As far as the graduation requirement, he can take some part time classes to work towards a degree.
I think a Bachelors degree should normally be required. However, there are times when the rest of your experience qualifies you for the job. If a many time NBA All Star with several years of NBA head coaching experience wanted to be your basketball coach, let's just say I'm not thinking finishing a degree in social welfare or physical education is going to make him more qualified.wifeisafurd said:How about a honorary degree? heck, the California State Supreme Court has had justices with honorary law degrees.oski003 said:
I'm not one who thinks Wyking is a bust because I think the jury is still out. The team had hardly any carry over from last year, and the better players are mostly freshmen. With that being said, if Jason wants to come here and make Cal his home, fire Wyking and hire Jason. As far as the graduation requirement, he can take some part time classes to work towards a degree.
Indirect Sports Illustrated jinx, since the bobble was based on that SI cover?SFCALBear72 said:
Blame it on the bobblehead.
MSaviolives said:
It appears that Milwaukee fans were not JKidd fans
https://www.brewhoop.com/2018/1/23/16923484/worthwhile-the-legacy-of-jason-kidd-in-milwaukee-bucks-giannis-antetokounmpo
Or if Bill Gates wanted to teach at Haas, except in this case, Kidd would be further ahead of Gates or London, having already performed at the position, 6 years as an NBA head coach, with a serviceable.500 record (.491 exactly).OaktownBear said:I think a Bachelors degree should normally be required. However, there are times when the rest of your experience qualifies you for the job. If a many time NBA All Star with several years of NBA head coaching experience wanted to be your basketball coach, let's just say I'm not thinking finishing a degree in social welfare or physical education is going to make him more qualified.wifeisafurd said:How about a honorary degree? heck, the California State Supreme Court has had justices with honorary law degrees.oski003 said:
I'm not one who thinks Wyking is a bust because I think the jury is still out. The team had hardly any carry over from last year, and the better players are mostly freshmen. With that being said, if Jason wants to come here and make Cal his home, fire Wyking and hire Jason. As far as the graduation requirement, he can take some part time classes to work towards a degree.
By the way, had Jack London, who never came close to graduating, had wanted to be an English professor at Cal, I would have wholeheartedly supported that as well.
This is incorrect. You have to have a PhD or an equivalent degree to be a Professor at Cal.Big C said:Yeah because there are no academic requirements to be a professor at Cal (or at least, there weren't when I was there). Sure, they all end up having PhDs, but, in theory, they could become a professor while being a HS drop-outChapman_is_Gone said:Can you (or someone else) provide more concrete information on this rule? Where did it come from? Who enforces it?71Bear said:Yes.Yogi Bear said:
Isn't there a requirement at Cal that the coach have a bachelor's degree?
A lot of that same logic could have been used to justify Chris Mullin's hire and his first three years, he has had a losing record. To date this year, he is 14-3, but 2-3 in conference.UCBerkGrad said:
Would he be a risk-free hire? Not at all.
Would he be a no-brainer hire? In my opinion yes
The guy coached 5 seasons in the best basketball league in the world. Of those 5 seasons, he only had one losing season.
Clearly this isn't the NBA so it isn't so obvious he would be a better college coach. However, not possible to be worse than the current guy so the bar is low.
Kidd would likely open recruiting doors instantly. Players that wouldn't have thought twice about Cal would probably take a call or meeting with Jason just because of his Hall of Fame credentials. He could probably make a connection to top talent that few coaches could because he went through it himself.
The other reasons are obvious....local guy, went to Cal, well connected in the NBA, etc. are all reasons in his favor above other possible candidates.
If Cal wants to make a splash with their new hire, Kidd would be the perfect man for the job. Only question is if he is interested and is willing to grind on the recruiting front. Oh, and can Cal afford him?
We need to a coach that's more technique heavy. Cuonzo could coach one side of the ball. Wyking does not have the chops to coach either side at this point. We don't need another coach -- even if they can recruit like I would think JK could -- who is not heavy on Xs and Os. I'd rather go the Justin Wilcox type direction - not a sexy hire but someone who installs good fundamentals and a way of doing things (well OK so far only one side as well, but you know what I'm saying).randythebear said:
This discussion is a year old. Never reached an authoritative conclusion whether a bachelor's degree is required, or desired but not required.
I agree with the camp that says JK's professional experience meets the requirement. Lot's of job post with the requirement to have a degree OR equivalent experience. No question JK has the experience. I'd put JK's experience up against Cuonzo's or WJ's qualifications any time.
I think JK is still available. And we need a new coach.
JK personally created the need to upgrade Harmon to Haas. We started selling out Harmon when JK came to Cal as a player. We certainly need to start selling tickets again.
Like I said, not risk free, but totally worth a shot.Yogi Bear said:A lot of that same logic could have been used to justify Chris Mullin's hire and his first three years, he has had a losing record. To date this year, he is 14-3, but 2-3 in conference.UCBerkGrad said:
Would he be a risk-free hire? Not at all.
Would he be a no-brainer hire? In my opinion yes
The guy coached 5 seasons in the best basketball league in the world. Of those 5 seasons, he only had one losing season.
Clearly this isn't the NBA so it isn't so obvious he would be a better college coach. However, not possible to be worse than the current guy so the bar is low.
Kidd would likely open recruiting doors instantly. Players that wouldn't have thought twice about Cal would probably take a call or meeting with Jason just because of his Hall of Fame credentials. He could probably make a connection to top talent that few coaches could because he went through it himself.
The other reasons are obvious....local guy, went to Cal, well connected in the NBA, etc. are all reasons in his favor above other possible candidates.
If Cal wants to make a splash with their new hire, Kidd would be the perfect man for the job. Only question is if he is interested and is willing to grind on the recruiting front. Oh, and can Cal afford him?
Cal88 said:Or if Bill Gates wanted to teach at Haas, except in this case, Kidd would be further ahead of Gates or London, having already performed at the position, 6 years as an NBA head coach, with a serviceable.500 record (.491 exactly).OaktownBear said:I think a Bachelors degree should normally be required. However, there are times when the rest of your experience qualifies you for the job. If a many time NBA All Star with several years of NBA head coaching experience wanted to be your basketball coach, let's just say I'm not thinking finishing a degree in social welfare or physical education is going to make him more qualified.wifeisafurd said:How about a honorary degree? heck, the California State Supreme Court has had justices with honorary law degrees.oski003 said:
I'm not one who thinks Wyking is a bust because I think the jury is still out. The team had hardly any carry over from last year, and the better players are mostly freshmen. With that being said, if Jason wants to come here and make Cal his home, fire Wyking and hire Jason. As far as the graduation requirement, he can take some part time classes to work towards a degree.
By the way, had Jack London, who never came close to graduating, had wanted to be an English professor at Cal, I would have wholeheartedly supported that as well.
Given the premium on recruiting in college BB, he has a whole lot of upside, a program with two strong classes turns into a contender.
Kidd is a no-brainer for the position.
I can see that class attendance when you were 18 and 19 years old is a very important qualification for you in a Head Coach candidate.Northside91 said:
How did Ben do with his talent? How about Cuonzo? It takes more than recruiting. And for a university that recently shyt a big red brick over the academic performance of some if its athletic programs, JK's hiring would truly be a no-brainer in that you'd have to have no brains to consider it. The man never went to class for f*ck's sake.
UCBerkGrad said:I can see that class attendance when you were 18 and 19 years old is a very important qualification for you in a Head Coach candidate.Northside91 said:
How did Ben do with his talent? How about Cuonzo? It takes more than recruiting. And for a university that recently shyt a big red brick over the academic performance of some if its athletic programs, JK's hiring would truly be a no-brainer in that you'd have to have no brains to consider it. The man never went to class for f*ck's sake.
"Why do you think you should be the next Cal Head Coach?"
"I'm a hall of fame basketball player, coached five years in the greatest basketball league in the world, only had one losing season as a head coach, NBA World Champs, first team all-american at Cal, jersey hanging in Haas, local kid."
"Great great....impressive. Tell me about how often you went to class 25 years ago?"
Kidd needs to rehab his coaching star. Cal is a great place to do so.UCBerkGrad said:
If Cal wants to make a splash with their new hire, Kidd would be the perfect man for the job. Only question is if he is interested and is willing to grind on the recruiting front. Oh, and can Cal afford him?
oskidunker said:
I bet he would not just stand there when no defense is being played
Northside91 said:Cal88 said:Or if Bill Gates wanted to teach at Haas, except in this case, Kidd would be further ahead of Gates or London, having already performed at the position, 6 years as an NBA head coach, with a serviceable.500 record (.491 exactly).OaktownBear said:I think a Bachelors degree should normally be required. However, there are times when the rest of your experience qualifies you for the job. If a many time NBA All Star with several years of NBA head coaching experience wanted to be your basketball coach, let's just say I'm not thinking finishing a degree in social welfare or physical education is going to make him more qualified.wifeisafurd said:How about a honorary degree? heck, the California State Supreme Court has had justices with honorary law degrees.oski003 said:
I'm not one who thinks Wyking is a bust because I think the jury is still out. The team had hardly any carry over from last year, and the better players are mostly freshmen. With that being said, if Jason wants to come here and make Cal his home, fire Wyking and hire Jason. As far as the graduation requirement, he can take some part time classes to work towards a degree.
By the way, had Jack London, who never came close to graduating, had wanted to be an English professor at Cal, I would have wholeheartedly supported that as well.
Given the premium on recruiting in college BB, he has a whole lot of upside, a program with two strong classes turns into a contender.
Kidd is a no-brainer for the position.
How did Ben do with his talent? How about Cuonzo? .
Northside91 said:
He didn't do fine. His 4 seed got worked by a 13 seed, which led virtually the entire game in their first round matchup. He also didn't do squat with his greatest talent (JB). You can have all the talent in the world, if you can't develop it, it's worthless.
At least Cuonzo didn't come with the massive baggage you'd have with Kidd. It's hard to fathom the extent of the desperation right now. Hopefully, rational minds will prevail when Cal decides to make a change, IF Cal decides to make a change.
ducky23 said:Northside91 said:
He didn't do fine. His 4 seed got worked by a 13 seed, which led virtually the entire game in their first round matchup. He also didn't do squat with his greatest talent (JB). You can have all the talent in the world, if you can't develop it, it's worthless.
At least Cuonzo didn't come with the massive baggage you'd have with Kidd. It's hard to fathom the extent of the desperation right now. Hopefully, rational minds will prevail when Cal decides to make a change, IF Cal decides to make a change.
And they were missing their starting backcourt (both guys who would eventually play in the nba).
You don't think that would've made a difference if they had played? Cmon man. You can't argue that was a bad year of cal b-ball. Disappointing. But not bad.
bearister said:
Question: Who do you think was the first person to tell Jaylen Brown it probably was not a good idea to dribble in a straight line down the middle of the key bowling over defenders and getting called for offensive fouls?
I'm kinda thinking it was someone on the Celtic coaching staff.
Meanwhile our coaching staff was water bottle and clipboard heavy.
The End
Northside91 said:ducky23 said:Northside91 said:
He didn't do fine. His 4 seed got worked by a 13 seed, which led virtually the entire game in their first round matchup. He also didn't do squat with his greatest talent (JB). You can have all the talent in the world, if you can't develop it, it's worthless.
At least Cuonzo didn't come with the massive baggage you'd have with Kidd. It's hard to fathom the extent of the desperation right now. Hopefully, rational minds will prevail when Cal decides to make a change, IF Cal decides to make a change.
And they were missing their starting backcourt (both guys who would eventually play in the nba).
You don't think that would've made a difference if they had played? Cmon man. You can't argue that was a bad year of cal b-ball. Disappointing. But not bad.
Beating Oregon and UofA with some bad losses mixed in. Brown didn't develop. All things considered, disappointing. Of course, if 2017-2019 is your measuring stick, sure....It shouldn't be, BTW.
ducky23 said:Northside91 said:ducky23 said:Northside91 said:
He didn't do fine. His 4 seed got worked by a 13 seed, which led virtually the entire game in their first round matchup. He also didn't do squat with his greatest talent (JB). You can have all the talent in the world, if you can't develop it, it's worthless.
At least Cuonzo didn't come with the massive baggage you'd have with Kidd. It's hard to fathom the extent of the desperation right now. Hopefully, rational minds will prevail when Cal decides to make a change, IF Cal decides to make a change.
And they were missing their starting backcourt (both guys who would eventually play in the nba).
You don't think that would've made a difference if they had played? Cmon man. You can't argue that was a bad year of cal b-ball. Disappointing. But not bad.
Beating Oregon and UofA with some bad losses mixed in. Brown didn't develop. All things considered, disappointing. Of course, if 2017-2019 is your measuring stick, sure....It shouldn't be, BTW.
Actually, the entire history of modern cal b-ball is my measuring stick.
Cal was a 4 seed (highest in modern program history) Which means it was arguably the best regular season in modern cal b-ball history.
Yes they lost in the tournament. But without their starting back court. So I don't see how that supports the argument cuonzo didn't have a good year.
Did he underachieve with the talent? Sure. But again, that's not the issue. The question is how well did cal do that year comparable to other years.
