An athlete being considered a BMOC at Cal gave me the giggles, even after spitting coffee all over my poor iPad, AGAIN, BEAR INSIDER should consider selling "device insurance" as a side business.

...and on the subject of ROI max contracts, how would you like to be on the paying end of the contracts of Derek Carr, Chucky and now the potentially forever compromised Steph Curry? That is some serious scratch with question marks attached. I predict Carr is baked, Chucky overrated and Curry?

That's a pretty reasonable scenario. The biggest unknown, in my view, is TV. Regardless of the G League or anything that the NBA or NCAA do regarding eligibility, TV is changing radically. Cable (and satellite) is on its way out and what the financial model will be moving forward is not known yet.

After the Top-40, the rest of the players who are good enough for D-1 presumably go to college. IMO, this is a good thing, as most of them won't ever sniff the NBA and will likely stay 4 years. Hopefully, they learn something along the way and are better equipped for the rest of their lives. I look at the Ball brothers and shake my head. Lonzo is a talent and will be fine. By all accounts, LiAngelo has little or no chance to make the NBA, and he has all of a couple of weeks of college behind him. Then what? And LaMelo only has 2 years of high school; if he doesn't make it in basketball, he's probably not even qualified for McDonalds.

What you envision is probably on balance a more rational system than what exists today--even if the NCAA doesn't rake in quite as many billions as now. And I'll try to cope with my sadness over coaches who will have to survive on $1 million a year instead of 5.

Syracuse in February is lovely.

the best way to fix things with the one and done is not to restrict the player if he comes to college for 1 or 2 or 3 years like some conferences are proposing

the best way is to move more to a market driven system

the G league is one of the good alternatives ... all they need to do is lower the age to 18 (even if they don't lower the NBA age)

Also, waiting for the Ball League to startup to give players another option

Then players can choose between:

College
G League
Ball League
International
Or sitting out a year to work exclusively on their game with a trainer and then go straight to the nba

This will also truly test what college is worth, and in my opinion it's worth more than the '$40,000' that some site. No better place right now to get high level basketball, S&C, and BRAND marketing and exposure than college + the cost of scholarship/room&board/Stipend (which at many schools is MUCH higher than $40,000. I think Stanford is around twice that much for a full ride

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the best way to fix things with the one and done is not to restrict the player if he comes to college for 1 or 2 or 3 years like some conferences are proposing

the best way is to move more to a market driven system

the G league is one of the good alternatives ... all they need to do is lower the age to 18 (even if they don't lower the NBA age)

Also, waiting for the Ball League to startup to give players another option

Then players can choose between:

College
G League
Ball League
International
Or sitting out a year to work exclusively on their game with a trainer and then go straight to the nba

This will also truly test what college is worth, and in my opinion it's worth more than the '$40,000' that some site. No better place right now to get high level basketball, S&C, and BRAND marketing and exposure than college + the cost of scholarship/room&board/Stipend (which at many schools is MUCH higher than $40,000. I think Stanford is around twice that much for a full ride

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Will he be paid in the G league? The reason I ask is that if he's not paid (or declines payment), he could theoretically maintain his NCAA eligibility. Hypothetically, if he has a bad year in the G league, he could then go to college.

I realize that's not his plan - he wants to get drafted. But conceptually it seems like a reasonable hedge.

Bottom line is that if you're a one and done, you're better off honing your craft/skills full time at a higher level than pretending to be a student athlete.

What happened to Don Coleman gone??? maybe rename the thread

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Anfernee Simons, a top 15 HS recruit, is going straight from HS to the NBA as well except Simons is doing a fifth year at a college prep school, so he's actually draft eligible.

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This is an option I believe we will see more and more until the rules change.

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Here we go.

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Interesting! And on queue for the prior discussion.
So, how does it work? Who gets his rights? He's not eligible for the NBA draft yet per their age requirement, so which team could he be assigned to and what kind of salary can he draw?

Why can't the NBA open it up to 7 rounds again and allow drafting of kids at age 14? If they choose not to pay a kid some small amount annually then they lose his rights? I guess the NBA would never want to force themselves collectively to be on the $ hook for additional expenditures. Interesting concept, though.

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Absolutely depends and none of us know what will happen (Note the "probably" in my statement). But, this is what I think.

Ultimately, the G-League will start taking roughly 40 top players a year out of high school. The top players will get a significant signing bonus. The amount of the bonus will drop precipitously as you move down the list. For kids that see education as an annoyance, and let's be honest that is probably most of them, this is a better deal. But my feeling has been that when people talk about paying players, they only think of the stars, not the 6th man on Cal who wouldn't make squat. As for players that go to college, once you get out of the top 40 or so, recruiting becomes less important. It's a bell curve. The difference in players #41 and 200 is probably not as great as the difference between #1 and 40.

Coaches are already overpaid at most schools. No way Cuonzo is a good ROI for Missouri. We'll see about TV money. I think it will go down. But I also think with the best players going straight to the NBA or G-League, the impact of coach's ability to recruit is going to drop. There will be more parity. I think a lot of schools in that environment will question whether it makes sense to pay a coach $3M-$5M compared to $1M. It will always make sense for the top ten revenue producing programs, but not for most of them. I think the race is already almost at the breaking point as it is. I think we are going to see the escalation end and things start to go the other way.

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good thoughts.
In order to bolded:
1. I'd like to see that!
2. I agree.
3. I'd like to see that!

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...and on the subject of ROI max contracts, how would you like to be on the paying end of the contracts of Derek Carr, Chucky and now the potentially forever compromised Steph Curry? That is some serious scratch with question marks attached. I predict Carr is baked, Chucky overrated and Curry?

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Chucky, I get your saying that.... that seems like a MASSIVE swindle! Stupid f'ing Raiders!
But why you say Carr and Curry?
Carr is not injured, is he? And he's a good QB, no?
And you think Curry's latest injury affects his playing THAT much? For the rest of his career?

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the best way to fix things with the one and done is not to restrict the player if he comes to college for 1 or 2 or 3 years like some conferences are proposing

the best way is to move more to a market driven system

the G league is one of the good alternatives ... all they need to do is lower the age to 18 (even if they don't lower the NBA age)

Also, waiting for the Ball League to startup to give players another option

Then players can choose between:

College
G League
Ball League
International
Or sitting out a year to work exclusively on their game with a trainer and then go straight to the nba

This will also truly test what college is worth, and in my opinion it's worth more than the '$40,000' that some site. No better place right now to get high level basketball, S&C, and BRAND marketing and exposure than college + the cost of scholarship/room&board/Stipend (which at many schools is MUCH higher than $40,000. I think Stanford is around twice that much for a full ride

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LOL, the Ball League.
Good one.
Seriously, lol !!!!

I don't mean to say that the college experience isn't good. For 99%
I'm saying that it's a joke that coaches make a million while the players make *only* the scholarship, and PARTICULARLY SO for the 1% who are denied additional income via either NBA earlier entry or via marketing their likeness, signatures, or just free market pricing due to NCAA anti-payment rules.

Actually, it's more than 1% who are denied! Way more! It's monopolistic behavior by both the NCAA and the NBA. Clearly. If they opened the rules, you'd see that to be true!

But, yes, I'm not saying college basketball as a whole is a bad deal.

The Ball league is just an example. If there is a market opportunity, someone will fill it.

here is an article where the NCAA says we need a pro option for players, which is my basic point:

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/22960136/ncaa-president-mark-emmert-says-nba-created-way-basketball-players-pursue-professional-opportunities

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Interesting! And on queue for the prior discussion.
So, how does it work? Who gets his rights? He's not eligible for the NBA draft yet per their age requirement, so which team could he be assigned to and what kind of salary can he draw?

Why can't the NBA open it up to 7 rounds again and allow drafting of kids at age 14? If they choose not to pay a kid some small amount annually then they lose his rights? I guess the NBA would never want to force themselves collectively to be on the $ hook for additional expenditures. Interesting concept, though.

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I believe that there are still a few G-league teams that are not affiliated.

I think economically disadvantaged people have always had a tougher time going to sporting events. I do agree that it's becoming exacerbated with the increase in spending on intercollegiate athletics. That said, the revenues are also increasing, with the media deals that certain schools and conferences have. Positively or negatively, coaching salaries also have dramatically increased in the past decade. In that case, I can see how is it sounding off an alarm. But should coaching salaries be capped? The market is the market. It will bear what it can. I'm of the opinion that players should be allowed to monetize their ability( which is another discussion), as well, since we all know this is no longer "amateur".

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What's wrong about it? That university determined that Martin was worth that much to them.

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How long you figure it takes Missouri to figure out that they ain't getting $5,000,000 worth of annual product? Problem is Cuonzo is bullet proof until April 30, 2021.

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I thought Cuonzo's contract was 7 years for $21 million, or about $3 M per year.

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Yeah, that's about right. It's nowhere near $35 million.

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Explain to me why I have a hard time imagining a basketball getting a monthly paycheck of $250,000. And for seven years at that. Ka-ching, Ka-ching.

Relative value aside, doesn't that just seem "not right"?

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What's wrong about it? Well, maybe it is the fact that as salaries go up astronomically, so does the price of a ticket. Fewer lower class and lower middle class fans will be able to afford the tickets, which means a lot of kids who might want to see their teams and favorite players play the game in person, won't see them except on TV. And as the salaries and the ticket prices go up, so does the price of that cable or dish sports package you have to subscribe to in order to see your favorite team play a good portion of their games. How many of Berkeley's young black kids do you see at Cal games now? Professional basketball is even worse, when you add in player salaries. Next time you go to an NBA game at Oracle, look around the audience and count how many black faces you see in the audience. Right across the street from Oracle live hundreds of potential future basketball stars who can't get in to the arena, except through the charity of those who might give them a ticket. College basketball isn't the NBA, but it is inching closer with each season. That is what might be wrong about it.

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Interesting. I'm admittedly a little surprised to see the P6 interest, but good for him. Hope he lands in a good spot.

Not surprised at all to see Nevada on that list though. In a different thread, I mentioned how Bill Self targets transfers as an increasingly major part of his recruiting strategy. It's even more the case with Bill Musselman. This year's Nevada's roster is packed with TEN transfers and accounts for the their top 4 scorers. It's not the way I'd want to build a team at Cal but it seems to be working for him (and for Self). Yesterday, I saw an early 2018-19 ranking which had Nevada at #10, so good for them, I guess.

Transfers on current Nevada roster:

Caleb Martin (NC State)
Jordan Caroline (Southern Illinois)
Cody Martin (NC State)
Kendall Stephens (Purdue)
Hallice Cook (Oregon State and Iowa State)
Darien Williams (St. John's)
Corey Henson (Wagner)
Jazz Johnson (Portland)
Tre'Shawn Thurman (Nebraska-Omaha)
Nisre Zouzoua (Bryant)

There are pro options. They're overseas.

These kids have tons of options if being an NCAA athlete is unappealing to them. To say otherwise seems ridiculous to me.

What do they pay in the G-League? (avg salary about $25K per SI). What is the monetary value of an athletic scholarship at some of these elite private schools annually? Can you develop better and faster in the G League than under Jay Wright just because you don't have 15 hours of class a week? Maybe, maybe not. It's certainly not definitive.

This kid Bazley is going to get mopped up in the G-League, IMO. Small Forward body with PF/C skills. Kid is a toothpick.

The NCAA is still the best option for 99% of athletes, and 99% of athletes who have professional aspirations in their sport.

Haha. Very fitting.

No offer from Conzo?

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This kid Bazley is going to get mopped up in the G-League, IMO. Small Forward body with PF/C skills. Kid is a toothpick.

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Let's revisit this in 1 year!

Who cares. He is gone which is a +

Anyone know if Don is still attending classes?
Or did he bag this semester?

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He is attending classes. Trips are scheduled for after the conclusion of the semester.

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Sounds like he is doing it right. Good luck to Don.

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That's a pretty reasonable scenario. The biggest unknown, in my view, is TV. Regardless of the G League or anything that the NBA or NCAA do regarding eligibility, TV is changing radically. Cable (and satellite) is on its way out and what the financial model will be moving forward is not known yet.

After the Top-40, the rest of the players who are good enough for D-1 presumably go to college. IMO, this is a good thing, as most of them won't ever sniff the NBA and will likely stay 4 years. Hopefully, they learn something along the way and are better equipped for the rest of their lives. I look at the Ball brothers and shake my head. Lonzo is a talent and will be fine. By all accounts, LiAngelo has little or no chance to make the NBA, and he has all of a couple of weeks of college behind him. Then what? And LaMelo only has 2 years of high school; if he doesn't make it in basketball, he's probably not even qualified for McDonalds.

What you envision is probably on balance a more rational system than what exists today--even if the NCAA doesn't rake in quite as many billions as now. And I'll try to cope with my sadness over coaches who will have to survive on $1 million a year instead of 5.

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Honestly, their best bet is for big bro to bankroll them and keep them training hard to see if they can get bigger and stronger and their skills up for gleague/overseas play.

Good to hear that DC is keeping the academic bases covered.

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He is attending classes. Trips are scheduled for after the conclusion of the semester.

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Thank you, and good for him!!!