Yes, Offensive, IMHO
helltopay1 said:
boy did i blow it---I said cavs by 10. Mea Culpas all around. OT---what do the lawyers say??' if you have the facts-argue the facts. If you don't, bang the table." Any lawyers on this cringe-worthy site?
HoopDreams said:
is this a foul on lebron or curry?
https://instagr.am/p/BjtNkWUh4Ui
The officials had three options: O foul, D foul or no-call. If I had to put a weighting to it, it would be 50% no-call, 40% O-foul and 10% D-foul. Bearister is spot on and the fact that a D-foul was called, reflects today's style of play (which I generally enjoy). Curry played him close (which is good D), but the only foul was the arm-hook. That was more likely Lebron chicken-winging him and selling it.bearister said:HoopDreams said:
is this a foul on lebron or curry?
https://instagr.am/p/BjtNkWUh4Ui
In a perfect world that is an O foul because Lebron lunges into Curry and then Curry sells it by overreacting and he hooks Lebron's arm on his way down to break his flopping fall. However, Lebron and Harden usually initiate far more contact than a quick lunge (a shoulder, stiff arm or forearm shove) and it is never called. If they allowed wimps like Curry to stop drives like that, Lebron and Harden would only average 20 points a game.
Curry's feet wasn't set and he tried to tackle LeBron like Deion Sanders out there. D foul. Easy call.BeachedBear said:The officials had three options: O foul, D foul or no-call. If I had to put a weighting to it, it would be 50% no-call, 40% O-foul and 10% D-foul. Bearister is spot on and the fact that a D-foul was called, reflects today's style of play (which I generally enjoy). Curry played him close (which is good D), but the only foul was the arm-hook. That was more likely Lebron chicken-winging him and selling it.bearister said:HoopDreams said:
is this a foul on lebron or curry?
https://instagr.am/p/BjtNkWUh4Ui
In a perfect world that is an O foul because Lebron lunges into Curry and then Curry sells it by overreacting and he hooks Lebron's arm on his way down to break his flopping fall. However, Lebron and Harden usually initiate far more contact than a quick lunge (a shoulder, stiff arm or forearm shove) and it is never called. If they allowed wimps like Curry to stop drives like that, Lebron and Harden would only average 20 points a game.
Perhaps - not sure I would call it an EASY CALL, since at least one of the Refs called it an O foul (and likely why I retired quickly as a basketball ref). But his feet WERE set, until 270 lb James made contact with 180 lb Curry and lifted him off the ground. I'll also admit, that I am a W's fan and am jaded by the calls that players like Harden and James get. After the game, one of the Cavs players made the comment that they thought James got all the calls until they came to the Cavs and realized that James never gets any calls!hanky1 said:Curry's feet wasn't set and he tried to tackle LeBron like Deion Sanders out there. D foul. Easy call.BeachedBear said:The officials had three options: O foul, D foul or no-call. If I had to put a weighting to it, it would be 50% no-call, 40% O-foul and 10% D-foul. Bearister is spot on and the fact that a D-foul was called, reflects today's style of play (which I generally enjoy). Curry played him close (which is good D), but the only foul was the arm-hook. That was more likely Lebron chicken-winging him and selling it.bearister said:HoopDreams said:
is this a foul on lebron or curry?
https://instagr.am/p/BjtNkWUh4Ui
In a perfect world that is an O foul because Lebron lunges into Curry and then Curry sells it by overreacting and he hooks Lebron's arm on his way down to break his flopping fall. However, Lebron and Harden usually initiate far more contact than a quick lunge (a shoulder, stiff arm or forearm shove) and it is never called. If they allowed wimps like Curry to stop drives like that, Lebron and Harden would only average 20 points a game.
hanky1 said:Curry's feet wasn't set and he tried to tackle LeBron like Deion Sanders out there. D foul. Easy call.BeachedBear said:The officials had three options: O foul, D foul or no-call. If I had to put a weighting to it, it would be 50% no-call, 40% O-foul and 10% D-foul. Bearister is spot on and the fact that a D-foul was called, reflects today's style of play (which I generally enjoy). Curry played him close (which is good D), but the only foul was the arm-hook. That was more likely Lebron chicken-winging him and selling it.bearister said:HoopDreams said:
is this a foul on lebron or curry?
https://instagr.am/p/BjtNkWUh4Ui
In a perfect world that is an O foul because Lebron lunges into Curry and then Curry sells it by overreacting and he hooks Lebron's arm on his way down to break his flopping fall. However, Lebron and Harden usually initiate far more contact than a quick lunge (a shoulder, stiff arm or forearm shove) and it is never called. If they allowed wimps like Curry to stop drives like that, Lebron and Harden would only average 20 points a game.
His feet weren't set, but he was going backward. It's not a requirement to stand like a statue and let Lebron drive over you like a tank. He was trying to hold ground but it was Lebron who initiated contact upon Curry's territory, which was yielded with steamrollinghanky1 said:
Curry's feet wasn't set and he tried to tackle LeBron like Deion Sanders out there. D foul. Easy call.
There was nothing subjective about Durant's decisive bomb, hahaha.BeachedBear said:
My original point is that it is pretty subjective and part of the game.
I totally envy Meyers job this offseason. Looks like he is having loads of fun considering they are throwing parades for the team he put together.going4roses said:
Need Magee imo I doubt you can replace him through FA or the draft
Guys that are not scared of lebron are crucial to winning NBA championships
I don't envy Meyers job for this off season
It helps that Gruber/Lakob don't care about the luxury tax.going4roses said:
I was speaking on the numbers part only.
How can he maintain a championship caliber team with the moves that have to be made ... a good position but he will have to be crafty
UrsaMajor said:It helps that Gruber/Lakob don't care about the luxury tax.going4roses said:
I was speaking on the numbers part only.
How can he maintain a championship caliber team with the moves that have to be made ... a good position but he will have to be crafty
I expected no less from you. But I'd definitely prescribe a visit to the ophthalmologist, as your eyesight is questionable.concordtom said:
I continue to be very much intrigued by the debate over all-time best styles of ball, best players.
I was watching video of stars from the 60s and 70s. What a joke. The refereeing is SO different. Rick Barry set a screen and was called for an offensive foul. Ticky tack galore stuff. Unrecognizable game compared to today. We debated the Lebron charge on curry play? Omg, give me a break.
The game where Barry scored 55? He's given wide open j's at the elbow. So soft.
Today we have 7 footers shooting contested 3's.
Lots of unathletic looking teammates out there. Erect, one handed dribbling.
I think any team today would destroy teams of yesteryear. Sorry, sfc.
In choosing my all-time team, I will have to lean heavily to modern players.
A lot of the people on this forum are Warriors fans and they are definitely real hoop fans. Probably paid a lot more attention to the Warriors than they did to last year's train wreck too.bearister said:
The real hoop fans are college fans
Yogi Bear said:A lot of the people on this forum are Warriors fans and they are definitely real hoop fans. Probably paid a lot more attention to the Warriors than they did to last year's train wreck too.bearister said:
The real hoop fans are college fans
This raises an interesting question, though. Records in all individual sports are better than before. In swimming or track and field, I can think of no record that is 20 or 30 years old. Bob Beamon's longjump record stood for a long time, but has since been broken. Certainly training methods and changes in technique are a major factor, but it is likely that other factors are at work as well--improved nutrition, genetics, etc.--that have led to improved physical performance. Example: Mark Spitz set 7 world records in the '72 Olympics. His winning times wouldn't have cracked the top 100 at US Olympic Trials in 2016. In fact, in some events, he wouldn't have won the California State high school meet.gobears said:
The elite athlete of every era would adapt and use the training techniques /rules of the game of that era to be elite in the period they are in. (if a time machine was an option to fast forward or rewind time)
think of it.. 6 or 7 billion people, and each decade, there are 7 or so players that are better than 7 billion other people at the time... each of those 7 players are better than 1 billion other people in the world when they competed in their sport.
Each if placed in a different era would figure out how to excel using that era's training/science available for that period....
The debate how a player of years past would do today..... continues on... my view is they all would be elite of any era would be elite...
goBears
It's been a while, but there were some interesting articles a number of years back about average height in Netherlands (tallest in the world - yet not a basketball powerhouse) and the dramatic changes in average height in Japan since WWII. The Japanese article points out that genetics is much less impactful than previously thought. But epigenetics (in this particular case, nutrition/diet of the mothers during pregnancy and post natal support) have a much bigger impact.UrsaMajor said:This raises an interesting question, though. Records in all individual sports are better than before. In swimming or track and field, I can think of no record that is 20 or 30 years old. Bob Beamon's longjump record stood for a long time, but has since been broken. Certainly training methods and changes in technique are a major factor, but it is likely that other factors are at work as well--improved nutrition, genetics, etc.--that have led to improved physical performance. Example: Mark Spitz set 7 world records in the '72 Olympics. His winning times wouldn't have cracked the top 100 at US Olympic Trials in 2016. In fact, in some events, he wouldn't have won the California State high school meet.gobears said:
The elite athlete of every era would adapt and use the training techniques /rules of the game of that era to be elite in the period they are in. (if a time machine was an option to fast forward or rewind time)
think of it.. 6 or 7 billion people, and each decade, there are 7 or so players that are better than 7 billion other people at the time... each of those 7 players are better than 1 billion other people in the world when they competed in their sport.
Each if placed in a different era would figure out how to excel using that era's training/science available for that period....
The debate how a player of years past would do today..... continues on... my view is they all would be elite of any era would be elite...
goBears
I agree, point made. I find the modern professional game most aggravating for what you've said about traveling, palming, hooking, etc.SFCityBear said:
>"...Gone is the game of Wilt and Russell, or Newell and Imhoff, Wooden and Kareem. Gone are the dominant big men in the paint, who made it so difficult to score inside. Gone are the defenders like KC, or Clyde. All of these started playing in an era where most NBA teams struggled to survive, and many did not. It was the transitional players like Barry and the Doctor, Oscar and West, who made the game a little more popular with their creativity, and over time the league began to be profitable. The owners realized they could make it more profitable by changing the rules to favor offense, and manipulate fans to spend more money. It filtered down to the NCAA to create March Madness, and corresponding college rules to favor offense over defense. And with TV in every home, access to games, kids emulated their idols, practicing the fancy shots and moves, mostly ignoring the hard work of rebounding and defense, and ignoring the development of passing skills and court vision.
When Russell asked Chamberlain what he thought about the modern players, he said there we many very strong and athletic ones around, but "they don't play the correct way." I think basketball needs to find a way to get back to a game that does not tip the scales in favor of offense or defense. And reduce the number and scope of regulations. There are so many lines and semi-circles on the floor now, that players have to keep taking looks at their feet to determine where they are. Endless additional timeouts for advertising, all for making money. I don't watch the NBA much, as it is blatantly commercial. I watch college less now. A great game is being corrupted, and we are buying in. IMHO..."<