vegas has made us an 18 1/2 point dog. its deserved. the over/under is 151. the way we shoot the ball the under has a good chance.
Good to hear this. Coach should get a little of the credit for helping to maintain a positive atmosphere in very tough circumstances.805bear said:
I was at UofA game and witnessed the life get sucked out of our guys in the second half to the point of no return. But I saw the guys this morning in Tempe and they were upbeat. ASU folks think this will be a laugher. We need Bradley, Grant and Darius to shoot more....Austin less...JHD not at all. We need to guard men in, entering and leaving our particular area of the zone....not just sitting fat in the middle of the designed area and waving at them as they go by.
Put a body bump on anybody going thru your zone to slow them down and hedge to a player closest to your zone to get a step on him moving thru or leaking out for a three. These kids are close friends and gentlemen.
I'm so proud of these young men and would be thrilled to see them win one.
Go Bears.
if we stick to the motion dribble drive concept we should be good. Do you really think we have a strategy?? I mean beyond this board?SFCityBear said:Good to hear this. Coach should get a little of the credit for helping to maintain a positive atmosphere in very tough circumstances.805bear said:
I was at UofA game and witnessed the life get sucked out of our guys in the second half to the point of no return. But I saw the guys this morning in Tempe and they were upbeat. ASU folks think this will be a laugher. We need Bradley, Grant and Darius to shoot more....Austin less...JHD not at all. We need to guard men in, entering and leaving our particular area of the zone....not just sitting fat in the middle of the designed area and waving at them as they go by.
Put a body bump on anybody going thru your zone to slow them down and hedge to a player closest to your zone to get a step on him moving thru or leaking out for a three. These kids are close friends and gentlemen.
I'm so proud of these young men and would be thrilled to see them win one.
Go Bears.
I'd add that I'd rather not see JHD, Sueing, or Austin (gee, that is 3/5 of the starting five) take another three this season. As to zone, what do you want our player to do when there are two opposing players in his zone, which happens too often? I sure would like us dump the zone, start Kelly and Vanover, and let the players learn how to get better individually, instead of trying to learn how to help each other more than is practical at this stage.
Good post! After first half my impression is , we have nobody who can consistently shoot the ball., But aside from that we seem to give up a good shot for a worse shot. Steve Kerr always preaches to give up a good shot for a great shot. It is a shame that the best we have to remember so far this year is one half. Maybe the new recruits can shoot, but here again they will be first year players which is hard.805bear said:
I was at UofA game and witnessed the life get sucked out of our guys in the second half to the point of no return. But I saw the guys this morning in Tempe and they were upbeat. ASU folks think this will be a laugher. We need Bradley, Grant and Darius to shoot more....Austin less...JHD not at all. We need to guard men in, entering and leaving our particular area of the zone....not just sitting fat in the middle of the designed area and waving at them as they go by.
Put a body bump on anybody going thru your zone to slow them down and hedge to a player closest to your zone to get a step on him moving thru or leaking out for a three. These kids are close friends and gentlemen.
I'm so proud of these young men and would be thrilled to see them win one.
Go Bears.
I like the description. "Motion dribble drive". Same strategy used in playgrounds all over the country, beginning at age 5 onward. Don't think it works well after high school. But if we agree on it, we could terminate the coach, and not hire another one. This way we would save on salary, and the players would have more fun running the team themselves anyway.cal83dls79 said:if we stick to the motion dribble drive concept we should be good. Do you really think we have a strategy?? I mean beyond this board?SFCityBear said:Good to hear this. Coach should get a little of the credit for helping to maintain a positive atmosphere in very tough circumstances.805bear said:
I was at UofA game and witnessed the life get sucked out of our guys in the second half to the point of no return. But I saw the guys this morning in Tempe and they were upbeat. ASU folks think this will be a laugher. We need Bradley, Grant and Darius to shoot more....Austin less...JHD not at all. We need to guard men in, entering and leaving our particular area of the zone....not just sitting fat in the middle of the designed area and waving at them as they go by.
Put a body bump on anybody going thru your zone to slow them down and hedge to a player closest to your zone to get a step on him moving thru or leaking out for a three. These kids are close friends and gentlemen.
I'm so proud of these young men and would be thrilled to see them win one.
Go Bears.
I'd add that I'd rather not see JHD, Sueing, or Austin (gee, that is 3/5 of the starting five) take another three this season. As to zone, what do you want our player to do when there are two opposing players in his zone, which happens too often? I sure would like us dump the zone, start Kelly and Vanover, and let the players learn how to get better individually, instead of trying to learn how to help each other more than is practical at this stage.
I must admit I can't take credit for MDD, another respected basketball strategist on this board came up with it after game 5 or 6 when trying to describe our offensive "scheme". I was like uh ok, whatever. How would you rate our effort on a scale of 1-10?SFCityBear said:I like the description. "Motion dribble drive". Same strategy used in playgrounds all over the country, beginning at age 5 onward. Don't think it works well after high school. But if we agree on it, we could terminate the coach, and not hire another one. This way we would save on salary, and the players would have more fun running the team themselves anyway.cal83dls79 said:if we stick to the motion dribble drive concept we should be good. Do you really think we have a strategy?? I mean beyond this board?SFCityBear said:Good to hear this. Coach should get a little of the credit for helping to maintain a positive atmosphere in very tough circumstances.805bear said:
I was at UofA game and witnessed the life get sucked out of our guys in the second half to the point of no return. But I saw the guys this morning in Tempe and they were upbeat. ASU folks think this will be a laugher. We need Bradley, Grant and Darius to shoot more....Austin less...JHD not at all. We need to guard men in, entering and leaving our particular area of the zone....not just sitting fat in the middle of the designed area and waving at them as they go by.
Put a body bump on anybody going thru your zone to slow them down and hedge to a player closest to your zone to get a step on him moving thru or leaking out for a three. These kids are close friends and gentlemen.
I'm so proud of these young men and would be thrilled to see them win one.
Go Bears.
I'd add that I'd rather not see JHD, Sueing, or Austin (gee, that is 3/5 of the starting five) take another three this season. As to zone, what do you want our player to do when there are two opposing players in his zone, which happens too often? I sure would like us dump the zone, start Kelly and Vanover, and let the players learn how to get better individually, instead of trying to learn how to help each other more than is practical at this stage.
I'm ashamed to admit, I am not watching enough games to rate the effort. I'm time constrained to my physical limits right now, and shouldn't be watching and really shouldn't be posting. Haven't watched a full game all season. And to judge effort, I'd need to be in the arena, close enough to see the players' eyes. I tuned in the game yesterday when Cal was down 6 in the 2nd half. The effort looked OK on TV. From what many posters write, the effort has been there most of the time game to game.cal83dls79 said:I must admit I can't take credit for MDD, another respected basketball strategist on this board came up with it after game 5 or 6 when trying to describe our offensive "scheme". I was like uh ok, whatever. How would you rate our effort on a scale of 1-10?SFCityBear said:I like the description. "Motion dribble drive". Same strategy used in playgrounds all over the country, beginning at age 5 onward. Don't think it works well after high school. But if we agree on it, we could terminate the coach, and not hire another one. This way we would save on salary, and the players would have more fun running the team themselves anyway.cal83dls79 said:if we stick to the motion dribble drive concept we should be good. Do you really think we have a strategy?? I mean beyond this board?SFCityBear said:Good to hear this. Coach should get a little of the credit for helping to maintain a positive atmosphere in very tough circumstances.805bear said:
I was at UofA game and witnessed the life get sucked out of our guys in the second half to the point of no return. But I saw the guys this morning in Tempe and they were upbeat. ASU folks think this will be a laugher. We need Bradley, Grant and Darius to shoot more....Austin less...JHD not at all. We need to guard men in, entering and leaving our particular area of the zone....not just sitting fat in the middle of the designed area and waving at them as they go by.
Put a body bump on anybody going thru your zone to slow them down and hedge to a player closest to your zone to get a step on him moving thru or leaking out for a three. These kids are close friends and gentlemen.
I'm so proud of these young men and would be thrilled to see them win one.
Go Bears.
I'd add that I'd rather not see JHD, Sueing, or Austin (gee, that is 3/5 of the starting five) take another three this season. As to zone, what do you want our player to do when there are two opposing players in his zone, which happens too often? I sure would like us dump the zone, start Kelly and Vanover, and let the players learn how to get better individually, instead of trying to learn how to help each other more than is practical at this stage.
SFCityBear said:
...I'd need to be in the arena, close enough to see the players' eyes....
I think HoopDreams identified it. But even a motion offense where the primary factor is dribble penetration (vs pass and cut) can work if executed well. For effort, I'd give our players a 7. For execution, I'd give them a 3 lately, up from a 1 at beginning of the season. The primary problems with our execution (in order of importance) is inability to finish shots, moving without the ball to be in position to either act if passed to or rebound, poor passing and receiving, poor cutting. The passing has improved in the last few weeks, but the motion and finishing not as much. With all due respect to talent, one does not need to be a 6-7 player with long arms and elite athleticism to move without the ball, pass the ball and catch the ball when passed to. Rebounding and many aspects of defense DO rely on athleticism (among other things).cal83dls79 said:I must admit I can't take credit for MDD, another respected basketball strategist on this board came up with it after game 5 or 6 when trying to describe our offensive "scheme". I was like uh ok, whatever. How would you rate our effort on a scale of 1-10?SFCityBear said:I like the description. "Motion dribble drive". Same strategy used in playgrounds all over the country, beginning at age 5 onward. Don't think it works well after high school. But if we agree on it, we could terminate the coach, and not hire another one. This way we would save on salary, and the players would have more fun running the team themselves anyway.cal83dls79 said:if we stick to the motion dribble drive concept we should be good. Do you really think we have a strategy?? I mean beyond this board?SFCityBear said:Good to hear this. Coach should get a little of the credit for helping to maintain a positive atmosphere in very tough circumstances.805bear said:
I was at UofA game and witnessed the life get sucked out of our guys in the second half to the point of no return. But I saw the guys this morning in Tempe and they were upbeat. ASU folks think this will be a laugher. We need Bradley, Grant and Darius to shoot more....Austin less...JHD not at all. We need to guard men in, entering and leaving our particular area of the zone....not just sitting fat in the middle of the designed area and waving at them as they go by.
Put a body bump on anybody going thru your zone to slow them down and hedge to a player closest to your zone to get a step on him moving thru or leaking out for a three. These kids are close friends and gentlemen.
I'm so proud of these young men and would be thrilled to see them win one.
Go Bears.
I'd add that I'd rather not see JHD, Sueing, or Austin (gee, that is 3/5 of the starting five) take another three this season. As to zone, what do you want our player to do when there are two opposing players in his zone, which happens too often? I sure would like us dump the zone, start Kelly and Vanover, and let the players learn how to get better individually, instead of trying to learn how to help each other more than is practical at this stage.
I meant that the three of them should not shoot any more threes this season. Players can improve their shooting, but that is easier to improve on by practicing alone. Maybe with some coaching. Contact lenses work for some players. I also think JHD should not start. He can only bring a little energy and defense. I'd rather start Anticevich or Kelly. And what is the thinking on Anticevich?. He plays a game or two and then we don't see him for three weeks. I think this team always needs two bigs on the floor at once. It only makes them weaker at both ends to go with only one big. Now Kelly is in the dog house. Why? Have they every tried to post him up for more than one or two shots in a game? I get it that Sueing is the go-to guy on this team, but he takes too many shots. Instead of going 0-6 from three, how about taking maybe 1-2 threes at most, and making a pass instead of the other threes he was taking? Basketball is about height, matchups, moving with or without the ball, and in Cal's case, passing up bad shots for better looks. In defense every man must deny his man the ball and the basket, and in zone, a player must first defend his zone. Too much wasted effort trying to help in helpless situations.805bear said:
SFCitybear....100% in agreement that Dyson, AP should never ever shoot a 3...Suing should be limited to lesser degree because his occassional 3 ball shots draws coverage and increases the effectiveness of his dribble drive. So far as defending two players overloading your zone...you have to depend on communication and quick spontaneous rotations( not happening).. I like your idea of Connor and Kelley on the floor at the same time with a high low game...alot of merit. However, at this precise moment Kelley's confidence is gone from minutes lost to Vanowers brush with success. He's been playing out of position to help the team and getting beaten up on his progress. Vanower did not have good outtings on the Arizona trip. I would start Austin (with a pass first directive), Bradley, Darius( get his hand under the ball, first move in the shot is up and not out and shoot on the way UP not DOWN, Grant ( reward him for good performance at ASU, sharp shooting and great box out rebounds and Kelley or Vanower at the 5. JHD should come in off bench. I wish Jacobi had 2 good wheels.
Go Bears
I was the one who said we were running the dribble drive offense (as part of our motion sets), and no that doesn't just mean our weave (which I've seen at least 3 other teams run this season)cal83dls79 said:if we stick to the motion dribble drive concept we should be good. Do you really think we have a strategy?? I mean beyond this board?SFCityBear said:Good to hear this. Coach should get a little of the credit for helping to maintain a positive atmosphere in very tough circumstances.805bear said:
I was at UofA game and witnessed the life get sucked out of our guys in the second half to the point of no return. But I saw the guys this morning in Tempe and they were upbeat. ASU folks think this will be a laugher. We need Bradley, Grant and Darius to shoot more....Austin less...JHD not at all. We need to guard men in, entering and leaving our particular area of the zone....not just sitting fat in the middle of the designed area and waving at them as they go by.
Put a body bump on anybody going thru your zone to slow them down and hedge to a player closest to your zone to get a step on him moving thru or leaking out for a three. These kids are close friends and gentlemen.
I'm so proud of these young men and would be thrilled to see them win one.
Go Bears.
I'd add that I'd rather not see JHD, Sueing, or Austin (gee, that is 3/5 of the starting five) take another three this season. As to zone, what do you want our player to do when there are two opposing players in his zone, which happens too often? I sure would like us dump the zone, start Kelly and Vanover, and let the players learn how to get better individually, instead of trying to learn how to help each other more than is practical at this stage.
let me clarify, I believe that offense exists, and it was a new concept to me, so I did learn something which is not easy. Was not poo pooing its existence. I'm just not sure we run it and I am pretty confident that if we do run it, we certainly don't run it effectively (51 points last game). Or alternatively, and this may be true, I just can't recognize it when I see it. My major is in football. I took Basketball 10.HoopDreams said:I was the one who said we were running the dribble drive offense (as part of our motion sets), and no that doesn't just mean our weave (which I've seen at least 3 other teams run this season)cal83dls79 said:if we stick to the motion dribble drive concept we should be good. Do you really think we have a strategy?? I mean beyond this board?SFCityBear said:Good to hear this. Coach should get a little of the credit for helping to maintain a positive atmosphere in very tough circumstances.805bear said:
I was at UofA game and witnessed the life get sucked out of our guys in the second half to the point of no return. But I saw the guys this morning in Tempe and they were upbeat. ASU folks think this will be a laugher. We need Bradley, Grant and Darius to shoot more....Austin less...JHD not at all. We need to guard men in, entering and leaving our particular area of the zone....not just sitting fat in the middle of the designed area and waving at them as they go by.
Put a body bump on anybody going thru your zone to slow them down and hedge to a player closest to your zone to get a step on him moving thru or leaking out for a three. These kids are close friends and gentlemen.
I'm so proud of these young men and would be thrilled to see them win one.
Go Bears.
I'd add that I'd rather not see JHD, Sueing, or Austin (gee, that is 3/5 of the starting five) take another three this season. As to zone, what do you want our player to do when there are two opposing players in his zone, which happens too often? I sure would like us dump the zone, start Kelly and Vanover, and let the players learn how to get better individually, instead of trying to learn how to help each other more than is practical at this stage.
I guess that was funny to people
if you don't want to learn anything about basketball. that's your choice.
Yep. Still hilarious.HoopDreams said:
I was the one who said we were running the dribble drive offense (as part of our motion sets), and no that doesn't just mean our weave (which I've seen at least 3 other teams run this season)
I guess that was funny to people
if you don't want to learn anything about basketball. that's your choice.
I am not sure, but I thought the coach who made the offense famous was Calipari at Memphis?cal83dls79 said:let me clarify, I believe that offense exists, and it was a new concept to me, so I did learn something which is not easy. Was not poo pooing its existence. I'm just not sure we run it and I am pretty confident that if we do run it, we certainly don't run it effectively (51 points last game). Or alternatively, and this may be true, I just can't recognize it when I see it. My major is in football. I took Basketball 10.HoopDreams said:I was the one who said we were running the dribble drive offense (as part of our motion sets), and no that doesn't just mean our weave (which I've seen at least 3 other teams run this season)cal83dls79 said:if we stick to the motion dribble drive concept we should be good. Do you really think we have a strategy?? I mean beyond this board?SFCityBear said:Good to hear this. Coach should get a little of the credit for helping to maintain a positive atmosphere in very tough circumstances.805bear said:
I was at UofA game and witnessed the life get sucked out of our guys in the second half to the point of no return. But I saw the guys this morning in Tempe and they were upbeat. ASU folks think this will be a laugher. We need Bradley, Grant and Darius to shoot more....Austin less...JHD not at all. We need to guard men in, entering and leaving our particular area of the zone....not just sitting fat in the middle of the designed area and waving at them as they go by.
Put a body bump on anybody going thru your zone to slow them down and hedge to a player closest to your zone to get a step on him moving thru or leaking out for a three. These kids are close friends and gentlemen.
I'm so proud of these young men and would be thrilled to see them win one.
Go Bears.
I'd add that I'd rather not see JHD, Sueing, or Austin (gee, that is 3/5 of the starting five) take another three this season. As to zone, what do you want our player to do when there are two opposing players in his zone, which happens too often? I sure would like us dump the zone, start Kelly and Vanover, and let the players learn how to get better individually, instead of trying to learn how to help each other more than is practical at this stage.
I guess that was funny to people
if you don't want to learn anything about basketball. that's your choice.
https://ozswoosh.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Dribble-Drive-Motion-Offense.pdfHoopDreams said:I am not sure, but I thought the coach who made the offense famous was Calipari at Memphis?cal83dls79 said:let me clarify, I believe that offense exists, and it was a new concept to me, so I did learn something which is not easy. Was not poo pooing its existence. I'm just not sure we run it and I am pretty confident that if we do run it, we certainly don't run it effectively (51 points last game). Or alternatively, and this may be true, I just can't recognize it when I see it. My major is in football. I took Basketball 10.HoopDreams said:I was the one who said we were running the dribble drive offense (as part of our motion sets), and no that doesn't just mean our weave (which I've seen at least 3 other teams run this season)cal83dls79 said:if we stick to the motion dribble drive concept we should be good. Do you really think we have a strategy?? I mean beyond this board?SFCityBear said:Good to hear this. Coach should get a little of the credit for helping to maintain a positive atmosphere in very tough circumstances.805bear said:
I was at UofA game and witnessed the life get sucked out of our guys in the second half to the point of no return. But I saw the guys this morning in Tempe and they were upbeat. ASU folks think this will be a laugher. We need Bradley, Grant and Darius to shoot more....Austin less...JHD not at all. We need to guard men in, entering and leaving our particular area of the zone....not just sitting fat in the middle of the designed area and waving at them as they go by.
Put a body bump on anybody going thru your zone to slow them down and hedge to a player closest to your zone to get a step on him moving thru or leaking out for a three. These kids are close friends and gentlemen.
I'm so proud of these young men and would be thrilled to see them win one.
Go Bears.
I'd add that I'd rather not see JHD, Sueing, or Austin (gee, that is 3/5 of the starting five) take another three this season. As to zone, what do you want our player to do when there are two opposing players in his zone, which happens too often? I sure would like us dump the zone, start Kelly and Vanover, and let the players learn how to get better individually, instead of trying to learn how to help each other more than is practical at this stage.
I guess that was funny to people
if you don't want to learn anything about basketball. that's your choice.
Note that he hasn't responded to the bolded part.cal83dls79 said:
Interesting strategic choice considering we don't have a PG that can pass (we can all agree on that?). In all my days at Haas ( say 25 years or so) we had many talented 1's that came in and were horrible day 1 and at the end of the year they were better. When they left they were great leaders. Coaching. The kid is there.
it's perplexing that this needs to be argued. The program has been run into the ground and we talk about inexperience and ignore the complete and utter lack of player development.Yogi Bear said:Note that he hasn't responded to the bolded part.cal83dls79 said:
Interesting strategic choice considering we don't have a PG that can pass (we can all agree on that?). In all my days at Haas ( say 25 years or so) we had many talented 1's that came in and were horrible day 1 and at the end of the year they were better. When they left they were great leaders. Coaching. The kid is there.