oskidunker said:
Guys this is one game. We shot the lights out. It was a great win. The body of work over 2 years is whats important. I am sure thats what Knowlton is looking at.
fat_slice said:
There will be a day, I don't know when, or whether it will be in basketball or football, but there will be a day when all Bear fans young and old, Negabears or optimistic bears, will rejoice as one.
I think Vanover is certainly ahead of Imhoff the freshman, and a little closer to Imhoff the sophomore (who barely played at all). He already has an understanding of what he is supposed to do out there, a court awareness pretty good for a frosh. He has a better shooting stroke. I don't like his threes so much, but he is capable of making a 10 or 15 footer anytime. He has to develop defensive/rebounding skills as you said, but I'd add to that a post game, and I'd like to see a hook shot, and shots with either hand. I would also add passing skills to the list, as Imhoff was a fine passer, and the ability to set good screens, which which Vanover may develop as he gets more bulk and strength. Footwork is all-important, and Cal great Bob McKeen worked with Imhoff for two years,, much of it on footwork. Vanover has shown already he has a whole lot of upside, and has the potential to be as good or better than Imhoff. Some day, I may become a believer in the "do" he picked up in Berkeley. I wonder how that plays in Arkansas? Just kidding.59bear said:
Strength and conditioning are the keys to Vanover's development (IMO). This is the first I've seen him since very early and he has shown a great deal of development in his movement, court awareness and aggressiveness to go with his demonstrated shooting ability. I was intrigued by what I saw early; I'm encouraged by what I saw last night. Now I'd like to see him running and jumping better and giving us 25-30 minutes of solid floor time each game. He's taller than Imhoff was and has an infinitely better shooting stroke so if he can develop the defensive/rebounding skills as Darrell did, we have a quality big man
A guy like Vanover, typically you might see progress over years, but we are seeing some in only a matter of months.ducky23 said:
What I like best about his development is that he doesn't hesitate anymore. He's channeling his inner klay. When he's open, just shoot it. When you catch and shoot in rhythm, your percentages go up.
I also love that he's been finishing with no hesitation. In the past, how often have we lamented that our big men go up soft, or take a dribble first, or lower the ball, etc. Vanover has been just catching and quickly finishing strong.
I can't wait to see what he can do in 2-3 years
When our Bears march down Colorado Blvd. in Pasadena or when I can book tixs to a final four. I expect not to rejoice (about the Bears) until I die.fat_slice said:
There will be a day, I don't know when, or whether it will be in basketball or football, but there will be a day when all Bear fans young and old, Negabears or optimistic bears, will rejoice as one.
Who thought Vanover was a joke? I don't think I've ever seen anything like that. There have been a lot of complaints about his defense, but it was clear from Game #1 that he was no stiff. Which is important since Game #1 was the last time I watched.Alkiadt said:
If you fail to see improvement in a guy most here thought was a joke
"Footwork is all-important, and Cal great Bob McKeen worked with Imhoff for two years,, much of it on footwork." Are you sure about this? You and I often differ in recalling specifics of the Newell years and I readily admit my memory is ever less reliable as I age but McKeen graduated in '55 and Imhoff arrived in '56 IIRC. Unless McKeen was a volunteer coach (I don't recall his being on the staff ever), their Cal careers would not have intersected. I remember Imhoff as a frosh doing a couple of drills: one where he stood at one of the tunnels and jumped several times in succession trying to touch the base of the overhead structure with both hands; the other just jumping rope (much as boxers have traditionally done. The goal. I believe, was to build stamina and hone coordination.SFCityBear said:I think Vanover is certainly ahead of Imhoff the freshman, and a little closer to Imhoff the sophomore (who barely played at all). He already has an understanding of what he is supposed to do out there, a court awareness pretty good for a frosh. He has a better shooting stroke. I don't like his threes so much, but he is capable of making a 10 or 15 footer anytime. He has to develop defensive/rebounding skills as you said, but I'd add to that a post game, and I'd like to see a hook shot, and shots with either hand. I would also add passing skills to the list, as Imhoff was a fine passer, and the ability to set good screens, which which Vanover may develop as he gets more bulk and strength. Footwork is all-important, and Cal great Bob McKeen worked with Imhoff for two years,, much of it on footwork. Vanover has shown already he has a whole lot of upside, and has the potential to be as good or better than Imhoff. Some day, I may become a believer in the "do" he picked up in Berkeley. I wonder how that plays in Arkansas? Just kidding.59bear said:
Strength and conditioning are the keys to Vanover's development (IMO). This is the first I've seen him since very early and he has shown a great deal of development in his movement, court awareness and aggressiveness to go with his demonstrated shooting ability. I was intrigued by what I saw early; I'm encouraged by what I saw last night. Now I'd like to see him running and jumping better and giving us 25-30 minutes of solid floor time each game. He's taller than Imhoff was and has an infinitely better shooting stroke so if he can develop the defensive/rebounding skills as Darrell did, we have a quality big man
I never personally saw McKeen work with Imhoff, but according to Denny Fitzpatrick, it did happen, and you can read about it here:59bear said:"Footwork is all-important, and Cal great Bob McKeen worked with Imhoff for two years,, much of it on footwork." Are you sure about this? You and I often differ in recalling specifics of the Newell years and I readily admit my memory is ever less reliable as I age but McKeen graduated in '55 and Imhoff arrived in '56 IIRC. Unless McKeen was a volunteer coach (I don't recall his being on the staff ever), their Cal careers would not have intersected. I remember Imhoff as a frosh doing a couple of drills: one where he stood at one of the tunnels and jumped several times in succession trying to touch the base of the overhead structure with both hands; the other just jumping rope (much as boxers have traditionally done. The goal. I believe, was to build stamina and hone coordination.SFCityBear said:I think Vanover is certainly ahead of Imhoff the freshman, and a little closer to Imhoff the sophomore (who barely played at all). He already has an understanding of what he is supposed to do out there, a court awareness pretty good for a frosh. He has a better shooting stroke. I don't like his threes so much, but he is capable of making a 10 or 15 footer anytime. He has to develop defensive/rebounding skills as you said, but I'd add to that a post game, and I'd like to see a hook shot, and shots with either hand. I would also add passing skills to the list, as Imhoff was a fine passer, and the ability to set good screens, which which Vanover may develop as he gets more bulk and strength. Footwork is all-important, and Cal great Bob McKeen worked with Imhoff for two years,, much of it on footwork. Vanover has shown already he has a whole lot of upside, and has the potential to be as good or better than Imhoff. Some day, I may become a believer in the "do" he picked up in Berkeley. I wonder how that plays in Arkansas? Just kidding.59bear said:
Strength and conditioning are the keys to Vanover's development (IMO). This is the first I've seen him since very early and he has shown a great deal of development in his movement, court awareness and aggressiveness to go with his demonstrated shooting ability. I was intrigued by what I saw early; I'm encouraged by what I saw last night. Now I'd like to see him running and jumping better and giving us 25-30 minutes of solid floor time each game. He's taller than Imhoff was and has an infinitely better shooting stroke so if he can develop the defensive/rebounding skills as Darrell did, we have a quality big man
