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Not gonna happened. Primary reason is Cal doesn't have a medical school for his wife, the family breadwinner. And no, UCSF is not gong to accommodate Cal to provide a new head of their ER.

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Sure. Syracuse offers him 4.5mil to take over from Boeheim, but his wife nixes the deal b/c Syracuse doesn't have a med school (Upstate Med is SUNY, I believe). Chances are real good that he accepts before the Syracuse AD puts a period on the sentence.

With all due respect, some of the most catastrophically dumb statements in print appear on this board. That's not criticism, it's reality.

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It may or may not be a dumb statement, but what is catastrophic about it? That a small school coach loses out on getting a job in P5/P6 school? Heavens to Mergatroid! The sky is falling! I don't disagree that we fans make dumb statements on this board, but as fans we are given to a lot of wild exaggeration as well. The word "fan" is derived from the word "fanatic", after all.

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Frankly, I have no idea what you're talking about.

I think it's unreasonable to suggest that the UCI coach won't accept an offer at a school without a med school (or one with a med school that's unwilling to employ his wife in a leadership role) if that school is proposing to pay him several times what he's making at UCI. I stand corrected if he's said, "Suitors be warned, I won't work for you unless my wife can be head of emergency medicine at the teaching hospital attached to your univeristy, even if you offer me all the money in the world. She's the family breadwinner after all."

If you're looking for "wild exaggeration", I refer you to the original post on this issue.

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She probably is making $2 million or so. *** does Cal giving him $1 million do if she doesn't have a job?

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I'm going out on a limb and say Turner is not being considered for the Cal job.

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wifeisafurd said:

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Not gonna happened. Primary reason is Cal doesn't have a medical school for his wife, the family breadwinner. And no, UCSF is not gong to accommodate Cal to provide a new head of their ER.

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Sure. Syracuse offers him 4.5mil to take over from Boeheim, but his wife nixes the deal b/c Syracuse doesn't have a med school (Upstate Med is SUNY, I believe). Chances are real good that he accepts before the Syracuse AD puts a period on the sentence.

With all due respect, some of the most catastrophically dumb statements in print appear on this board. That's not criticism, it's reality.

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with all due respect, you categorically picked a different scenario than Cal. Cal offering the guy its cheap $1 million salary and his wife makes around $2 million, your comment seems really dumb if she takes a huge salary hit. If Syracuse offers $4.2 million, it is not to this guy (but a proven D! coach), but if they did, wife just gets a nice easy day ER job somewhere so she has time to attend games. That said, thinking anyone is going to offer Turner $4.2 million at this juncture is, with all due respect, the stupidest comment I heard this week by someone not named Donald Trump.

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*** makes you think Cal is paying any basketball coach 1.8 million? They likely can't even afford Jones' buyout. And in case you haven't noticed, new hires in this league like Hopkins get far less. But even if your unrealistic salary view was to hold, the wife still probably makes more money currently. So if she takes a huge hit to her salary and you end up in basically with the same family salary, why bother moving the family?

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Cal can afford $2 million for a coach if they can afford to build a sand volleyball court and a women's softball field with no fundraising. Their cries of poverty ring hollow.

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wifeisafurd said:

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Not gonna happened. Primary reason is Cal doesn't have a medical school for his wife, the family breadwinner. And no, UCSF is not gong to accommodate Cal to provide a new head of their ER.

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If you took out "the family breadwinner," people would have a lot easier time buying this. His wife wants a job she likes and they want jobs in the same general vicinity, and this means he won't come to Cal. I can buy that.

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"Sorry, I can't take a raise from $650K to $1.8M because my ER head wife is the family breadwinner and we can't afford to have her quit her job to take a different one." I call BS. Tell me that he says, "Sorry, I won't leave my $650K job to take a $1.8M job because my wife loves her job and I'm not going to ask her to leave it, and I love my job too, having both of us be happy is more important than me getting more money and only one of us be happy," THAT I'd believe.

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That is my point. If he takes the UCLA job than I think we know what the "she won't leave Irvine" line was - a sad excuse for being typiCAL

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I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that UCLA does not hire the UC Irvine coach as their next Head Basketball Coach.

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Ughhh....they hired a New Mexico Coach.

There are two UCLAs.....the UCLA some living in the past fans and Bill Walton believe in and then the UCLA that is. If Turner makes the sweet 16 Fat Dan G. is going to offer Turner. Bank it.

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wifeisafurd said:

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Northside91 said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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Not gonna happened. Primary reason is Cal doesn't have a medical school for his wife, the family breadwinner. And no, UCSF is not gong to accommodate Cal to provide a new head of their ER.

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Sure. Syracuse offers him 4.5mil to take over from Boeheim, but his wife nixes the deal b/c Syracuse doesn't have a med school (Upstate Med is SUNY, I believe). Chances are real good that he accepts before the Syracuse AD puts a period on the sentence.

With all due respect, some of the most catastrophically dumb statements in print appear on this board. That's not criticism, it's reality.

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It may or may not be a dumb statement, but what is catastrophic about it? That a small school coach loses out on getting a job in P5/P6 school? Heavens to Mergatroid! The sky is falling! I don't disagree that we fans make dumb statements on this board, but as fans we are given to a lot of wild exaggeration as well. The word "fan" is derived from the word "fanatic", after all.

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Frankly, I have no idea what you're talking about.

I think it's unreasonable to suggest that the UCI coach won't accept an offer at a school without a med school (or one with a med school that's unwilling to employ his wife in a leadership role) if that school is proposing to pay him several times what he's making at UCI. I stand corrected if he's said, "Suitors be warned, I won't work for you unless my wife can be head of emergency medicine at the teaching hospital attached to your univeristy, even if you offer me all the money in the world. She's the family breadwinner after all."

If you're looking for "wild exaggeration", I refer you to the original post on this issue.

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She probably is making $2 million or so. *** does Cal giving him $1 million do if she doesn't have a job?

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I'm going out on a limb and say Turner is not be considered for the Cal job.

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Because his wife might say no???!!!???? PLEASE. This is one of the many reasons (apparently because we build CMS on an Indian burial ground) that we can't have nice things. Oh...Randy B might say no. Well, we shouldn't consider him. Mark few would be a reach....so lets put him aside.

I am SO SICK of alumni that have $$ that won't go big. That think that LOSING is somehow a noble exercise. Seriously, either go big or lets just drop to D3, default on the stadium bonds and leave the investors holding the bag and let the regents sort it out.

SMH

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*** makes you think Cal is paying any basketball coach 1.8 million? They likely can't even afford Jones' buyout. And in case you haven't noticed, new hires in this league like Hopkins get far less. But even if your unrealistic salary view was to hold, the wife still probably makes more money currently. So if she takes a huge hit to her salary and you end up in basically with the same family salary, why bother moving the family?

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Cal can afford $2 million for a coach if they can afford to build a sand volleyball court and a women's softball field with no fundraising. Their cries of poverty ring hollow.

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They have to build the facilities. They have no other option.
Title IX compliance dictates it.

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*** makes you think Cal is paying any basketball coach 1.8 million? They likely can't even afford Jones' buyout. And in case you haven't noticed, new hires in this league like Hopkins get far less. But even if your unrealistic salary view was to hold, the wife still probably makes more money currently. So if she takes a huge hit to her salary and you end up in basically with the same family salary, why bother moving the family?

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Wasn't Cuonzo's contract $1.8M per year? I agree that I don't think Cal will go that route, especially given Jones' buyout. But I think Cal would be penny-wise and pound foolish to limit themselves on what they pay. If Jones were to be fired now, he will have effectively cost us $2.5M per year.

Spending $1.8M per year on a qualified coach who can get the job done is cheaper than taking a shot on a guy at $1.0M per year, and having him only last 2 seasons.

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Not gonna happened. Primary reason is Cal doesn't have a medical school for his wife, the family breadwinner. And no, UCSF is not gong to accommodate Cal to provide a new head of their ER.

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If you took out "the family breadwinner," people would have a lot easier time buying this. His wife wants a job she likes and they want jobs in the same general vicinity, and this means he won't come to Cal. I can buy that.

Make his wife being "the family breadwinner" an issue, and people starting asking, "*** are you talking about, wiaf?" Hire a guy for something close to middle of the PAC salary, and there is no way that his wife is THE family breadwinner. "I only make $1.8M, my wife is the breadwinner of the family, I just have a hobby that makes loose change." Um, right. No. He definitely is A family breadwinner if he takes that job.

It also seems likely that he would become the leading breadwinner if he takes a P6 HC job. I have trouble believing that the head of any ER makes as much as a middle of the PAC MBB HC. The head of an ER SHOULD make more than any college men's basketball coach, should make at double what any college MBB HC makes, but the world doesn't work that way. Not because the head of ER makes too little, but because the MBB HC makes way too much. I don't think anyone around here can believe that family income will drop if Turner moves from UCI to a P6 school paying a competitive P6 salarly and his wife has to take a different job than what she has now. A paycut, maybe, not not enough to offset the pay raise Turner gets. A job she doesn't like nearly as much, so family happiness is reduced? THAT I could believe.

"Sorry, I can't take a raise from $650K to $1.8M because my ER head wife is the family breadwinner and we can't afford to have her quit her job to take a different one." I call BS. Tell me that he says, "Sorry, I won't leave my $650K job to take a $1.8M job because my wife loves her job and I'm not going to ask her to leave it, and I love my job too, having both of us be happy is more important than me getting more money and only one of us be happy," THAT I'd believe.

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*** makes you think Cal is paying any basketball coach 1.8 million? They likely can't even afford Jones' buyout. And in case you haven't noticed, new hires in this league like Hopkins get far less. But even if your unrealistic salary view was to hold, the wife still probably makes more money currently. So if she takes a huge hit to her salary and you end up in basically with the same family salary, why bother moving the family?

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If Cal is unwilling/unable to pay $1.8 million for a coach, then the discussion is pointless.

If that's the case, might as well keep Jones and just write off having more fans than we got during the Dick years. And maybe someday in the future we luck into a coach we have hired for cheap who can win, and THEN we can increase the fan base and maybe afford a raise for the coach we lucked into.

Go Coach Jones and thrive.
Go Bears!

This thread is full of know it alls, who might be better informed if they invest in the private site.

First of all, the cost of changing coaches is Jones' severance of several million and what we pay the new coach.

Second, MBB when even doing well barely makes it in the black without severance and it just a plain loser if you add unfunded severance. It is like that at almost every Pac school, not named Arizona or maybe UCLA. The only way to fund new coaches is either a donor funds the transition or football pays for it (Ernie Kent's situation)

Second, that money is paid out of an operating fund that the Chancellor wants to not operate at a deficit. With a good portion of football revenues going to a capital fund, Cal probably has no money to pay fo replace Jones, no less increase the coaching salary. That likely becomes apparent to all of you know it alls as soon as Monday. There has been plenty of discussion on the economics of Pac basketball and Cal basketball, and comments like Cal can afford $2 million (no less $4.8 million) are just clueless, as will become evident in short order..

Third, the ignorant comments that donors being short sighted have no clue why the usual donors are not coming to the table. You can go to the private site and find out why or you can put the money up yourself. In the latter case, you better hurry.

Fourth, there are the remarks about capital projects for Title 9, which are paid out of a capital funds. The upgrades are required to be complaint with a tier that Cal has committed to qualify. With capital projects, you can borrow and then raise funds, and people that are willing to donate for purposes that have a specific use and provide naming rights, but not donate to the operating fund. Another long discussion on the private board. As people who have followed the discussions on the Insiders boards, there is a huge different where Cal sits on operating funds versus capital funds. BTW, the term funds doesn't mean money, but how accounts are organized under GAAP for schools.

Fifth, I don't see why everyone is knocking the original post. Cal will need to look at cheap alternative for a replacement coach. Right idea, but perhaps wrong guy since he wife's career also is an issue. But expect any new coach in th near future to be a former Cal player who is willing to take a low salary, a non-D1 coach who makes a low salary, or an assistant coach somewhere. Reduce the Jones severance and maybe you have more flexibility, but you guys need to start facing some cold, hard economic reality.

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This thread is full of know it alls, who might be better informed if they invest in the private site.

First of all, the cost of changing coaches is Jones' severance of several million and what we pay the new coach.

Second, MBB when even doing well barely makes it in the black without severance and it just a plain loser if you add unfunded severance. It is like that at almost every Pac school, not named Arizona or maybe UCLA. The only way to fund new coaches is either a donor funds the transition or football pays for it (Ernie Kent's situation)

Second, that money is paid out of an operating fund that the Chancellor wants to not operate at a deficit. With a good portion of football revenues going to a capital fund, Cal probably has no money to pay fo replace Jones, no less increase the coaching salary. That likely becomes apparent to all of you know it alls as soon as Monday. There has been plenty of discussion on the economics of Pac basketball and Cal basketball, and comments like Cal can afford $2 million (no less $4.8 million) are just clueless, as will become evident in short order..

Third, the ignorant comments that donors being short sighted have no clue why the usual donors are not coming to the table. You can go to the private site and find out why or you can put the money up yourself. In the latter case, you better hurry.

Fourth, there are the remarks about capital projects for Title 9, which are paid out of a capital funds. The upgrades are required to be complaint with a tier that Cal has committed to qualify. With capital projects, you can borrow and then raise funds, and people that are willing to donate for purposes that have a specific use and provide naming rights, but not donate to the operating fund. Another long discussion on the private board. As people who have followed the discussions on the Insiders boards, there is a huge different where Cal sits on operating funds versus capital funds. BTW, the term funds doesn't mean money, but how accounts are organized under GAAP for schools.

Fifth, I don't see why everyone is knocking the original post. Cal will need to look at cheap alternative for a replacement coach. Right idea, but perhaps wrong guy since he wife's career also is an issue. But expect any new coach in th near future to be a former Cal player who is willing to take a low salary, a non-D1 coach who makes a low salary, or an assistant coach somewhere. Reduce the Jones severance and maybe you have more flexibility, but you guys need to start facing some cold, hard economic reality.

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Based on the picture you paint, it sounds like Justin Labagh of CCSF would meet your criteria. Justin is a former Cal player, and the best JC coach around. He wins championship after championship with a roster that changes every year, makes $65K plus $25K in overtime pay, and $17K in benefits, a total of $107K per year. Is that low enough pay? Maybe too low, so low it might disqualify him, if he wasn't already not being considered by the elite fans who want a multi-million dollar coach.

Years ago, the name of the former CCSF coach, Brad Duggan, was floated as a candidate. Like Labagh, he had been an outstanding coach at CCSF, and at the time was providing the color on Cal broadcasts. He would have been rejected based on his public behavior, at times too crude for an elite school like Cal. In comparison, Duggan would make Campanelli sound like Mother Teresa. Justin Labagh does not have that kind of baggage, in fact, no baggage that I know of. He just wins games.

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This thread is full of know it alls, who might be better informed if they invest in the private site.

First of all, the cost of changing coaches is Jones' severance of several million and what we pay the new coach.

Second, MBB when even doing well barely makes it in the black without severance and it just a plain loser if you add unfunded severance. It is like that at almost every Pac school, not named Arizona or maybe UCLA. The only way to fund new coaches is either a donor funds the transition or football pays for it (Ernie Kent's situation)

Second, that money is paid out of an operating fund that the Chancellor wants to not operate at a deficit. With a good portion of football revenues going to a capital fund, Cal probably has no money to pay fo replace Jones, no less increase the coaching salary. That likely becomes apparent to all of you know it alls as soon as Monday. There has been plenty of discussion on the economics of Pac basketball and Cal basketball, and comments like Cal can afford $2 million (no less $4.8 million) are just clueless, as will become evident in short order..

Third, the ignorant comments that donors being short sighted have no clue why the usual donors are not coming to the table. You can go to the private site and find out why or you can put the money up yourself. In the latter case, you better hurry.

Fourth, there are the remarks about capital projects for Title 9, which are paid out of a capital funds. The upgrades are required to be complaint with a tier that Cal has committed to qualify. With capital projects, you can borrow and then raise funds, and people that are willing to donate for purposes that have a specific use and provide naming rights, but not donate to the operating fund. Another long discussion on the private board. As people who have followed the discussions on the Insiders boards, there is a huge different where Cal sits on operating funds versus capital funds. BTW, the term funds doesn't mean money, but how accounts are organized under GAAP for schools.

Fifth, I don't see why everyone is knocking the original post. Cal will need to look at cheap alternative for a replacement coach. Right idea, but perhaps wrong guy since he wife's career also is an issue. But expect any new coach in th near future to be a former Cal player who is willing to take a low salary, a non-D1 coach who makes a low salary, or an assistant coach somewhere. Reduce the Jones severance and maybe you have more flexibility, but you guys need to start facing some cold, hard economic reality.

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This is fair. You know what also is "fair".....


why in the WORLD would ANYONE invest even the cost of a tall latte in joining (it would be my third time - the prior 2 I just found no value) in the "paid" site for a program that will not even BEGIN to TRY to make the necessary investment to compete? I am sorry. Simple fact.

The idea that Cal would be "OK" with a guy who has won FIVE conference games (out of 36) and keep him on for another year just because of "cold, hard economic reality" will find another cold hard economic reality - that Haas will be only filled by zombie donors who write a check every year without thinking about it, faculty and their kids (ahhh the memories) and the straw Hat band. I know I stopped trying to get up twice a year and schedule my week around catching the 2 conference games. Next step is to get rid of DIsh since the Pac-12 network brings me NO value if it means watching this piss poor product that has no hope of improving. Will try to get up for a football game. Take my $$ and my emotional savings and go grab some tixs for SDSU - which is at least committed to putting a competitive product on the court and which is a lot closer than 500 miles away.

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Not gonna happened. Primary reason is Cal doesn't have a medical school for his wife, the family breadwinner. And no, UCSF is not gong to accommodate Cal to provide a new head of their ER.

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Sure. Syracuse offers him 4.5mil to take over from Boeheim, but his wife nixes the deal b/c Syracuse doesn't have a med school (Upstate Med is SUNY, I believe). Chances are real good that he accepts before the Syracuse AD puts a period on the sentence.

With all due respect, some of the most catastrophically dumb statements in print appear on this board. That's not criticism, it's reality.

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with all due respect, you categorically picked a different scenario than Cal. Cal offering the guy its cheap $1 million salary and his wife makes around $2 million, your comment seems really dumb if she takes a huge salary hit. If Syracuse offers $4.2 million, it is not to this guy (but a proven D! coach), but if they did, wife just gets a nice easy day ER job somewhere so she has time to attend games. That said, thinking anyone is going to offer Turner $4.2 million at this juncture is, with all due respect, the stupidest comment I heard this week by someone not named Donald Trump.

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Who said any base salary offer from Cal would represent Turner's total compensation package? As a Stanford fan, you should know what's represented to the public is not the whole story. Of course Cal has so alienated its donors that a legitimate offer supplemented with private money is probably impossible in any case.

And why would you be surprised if a bona fide basketball school offered Turner (or the equivalent) a big salary? Missouri is paying a worthless coach $3M/year (base). Georgetown is probably paying Ewing, a guy like Cal's current HC with zero head coaching experience, $4M, which is a guess based on what they offered the guy from Xavier. Even Florida is paying a guy with zero top level coaching experience (unless you consider Jacksonville State and La Tech top level) more than $2M (base). Yeah, I'm pretty sure Syracuse would pay Turner, or the equivalent, somewhere in the range of $3M and up if Boeheim rode off into the sunset after this season.

Finally, as another poster suggested, it's not unheard of for spouses to spend some time apart owing to professional opportunities in other geographies. My wife and I were simultaneously based in SF and DC for a while for that very reason. Most professionals seeking career advancement would be willing to make a short term sacrifice for a long term benefit.

If Cal can't attract a guy like Turner, it's not for lack of resources or any crap about his "breadwinner" wife. It'll be b/c Berkeley is becoming an increasingly toxic environment for coaches and players interested in athletic excellence.

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This thread is full of know it alls, who might be better informed if they invest in the private site.

First of all, the cost of changing coaches is Jones' severance of several million and what we pay the new coach.

Second, MBB when even doing well barely makes it in the black without severance and it just a plain loser if you add unfunded severance. It is like that at almost every Pac school, not named Arizona or maybe UCLA. The only way to fund new coaches is either a donor funds the transition or football pays for it (Ernie Kent's situation)

Second, that money is paid out of an operating fund that the Chancellor wants to not operate at a deficit. With a good portion of football revenues going to a capital fund, Cal probably has no money to pay fo replace Jones, no less increase the coaching salary. That likely becomes apparent to all of you know it alls as soon as Monday. There has been plenty of discussion on the economics of Pac basketball and Cal basketball, and comments like Cal can afford $2 million (no less $4.8 million) are just clueless, as will become evident in short order..

Third, the ignorant comments that donors being short sighted have no clue why the usual donors are not coming to the table. You can go to the private site and find out why or you can put the money up yourself. In the latter case, you better hurry.

Fourth, there are the remarks about capital projects for Title 9, which are paid out of a capital funds. The upgrades are required to be complaint with a tier that Cal has committed to qualify. With capital projects, you can borrow and then raise funds, and people that are willing to donate for purposes that have a specific use and provide naming rights, but not donate to the operating fund. Another long discussion on the private board. As people who have followed the discussions on the Insiders boards, there is a huge different where Cal sits on operating funds versus capital funds. BTW, the term funds doesn't mean money, but how accounts are organized under GAAP for schools.

Fifth, I don't see why everyone is knocking the original post. Cal will need to look at cheap alternative for a replacement coach. Right idea, but perhaps wrong guy since he wife's career also is an issue. But expect any new coach in th near future to be a former Cal player who is willing to take a low salary, a non-D1 coach who makes a low salary, or an assistant coach somewhere. Reduce the Jones severance and maybe you have more flexibility, but you guys need to start facing some cold, hard economic reality.

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Based on the picture you paint, it sounds like Justin Labagh of CCSF would meet your criteria. Justin is a former Cal player, and the best JC coach around. He wins championship after championship with a roster that changes every year, makes $65K plus $25K in overtime pay, and $17K in benefits, a total of $107K per year. Is that low enough pay? Maybe too low, so low it might disqualify him, if he wasn't already not being considered by the elite fans who want a multi-million dollar coach.

Years ago, the name of the former CCSF coach, Brad Duggan, was floated as a candidate. Like Labagh, he had been an outstanding coach at CCSF, and at the time was providing the color on Cal broadcasts. He would have been rejected based on his public behavior, at times too crude for an elite school like Cal. In comparison, Duggan would make Campanelli sound like Mother Teresa. Justin Labagh does not have that kind of baggage, in fact, no baggage that I know of. He just wins games.

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I would at least momentarily consider attending games again if they did this. He would need someone on staff to pipeline talent (without getting Cal on probation), but that's probably do-able. Maybe I should save myself the quandary and just go to CCSF games.

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with all due respect, you categorically picked a different scenario than Cal. Cal offering the guy its cheap $1 million salary and his wife makes around $2 million, your comment seems really dumb if she takes a huge salary hit. If Syracuse offers $4.2 million, it is not to this guy (but a proven D! coach), but if they did, wife just gets a nice easy day ER job somewhere so she has time to attend games. That said, thinking anyone is going to offer Turner $4.2 million at this juncture is, with all due respect, the stupidest comment I heard this week by someone not named Donald Trump.

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His wife makes around $2 million? C'mon. The CEO of the entire UC Irvine Health System "only" makes $780,000 and the chief medical officer makes a little more than $500,000.

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wifeisafurd said:

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with all due respect, you categorically picked a different scenario than Cal. Cal offering the guy its cheap $1 million salary and his wife makes around $2 million, your comment seems really dumb if she takes a huge salary hit. If Syracuse offers $4.2 million, it is not to this guy (but a proven D! coach), but if they did, wife just gets a nice easy day ER job somewhere so she has time to attend games. That said, thinking anyone is going to offer Turner $4.2 million at this juncture is, with all due respect, the stupidest comment I heard this week by someone not named Donald Trump.

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His wife makes around $2 million? C'mon. The CEO of the entire UC Irvine Health System "only" makes $780,000 and the chief medical officer makes a little more than $500,000.

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Yeah that doesn't sound right. Especially as a general practitioner. Maybe if she was the head neurosurgeon or something.

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wifeisafurd said:

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with all due respect, you categorically picked a different scenario than Cal. Cal offering the guy its cheap $1 million salary and his wife makes around $2 million, your comment seems really dumb if she takes a huge salary hit. If Syracuse offers $4.2 million, it is not to this guy (but a proven D! coach), but if they did, wife just gets a nice easy day ER job somewhere so she has time to attend games. That said, thinking anyone is going to offer Turner $4.2 million at this juncture is, with all due respect, the stupidest comment I heard this week by someone not named Donald Trump.

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His wife makes around $2 million? C'mon. The CEO of the entire UC Irvine Health System "only" makes $780,000 and the chief medical officer makes a little more than $500,000.

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Jesus, another know it all. UCI salary does not include private practice money. Picking administrators that don't bring patients to UCI is a great way to not benchmark salaries. Sorta like the general manager of the Lakers shockingly has a lower salary than LeBron.

To quote UCI: "Under UC's compensation models, an employee's base pay can differ significantly from gross pay. This pay differential is common in certain fields, including sports, investment management and health care, where workers earn additional compensation based on performance or for seeing patients. Salaries can also reflect research contracts and grants."

Individual doctors make more money that the CEO. For example, there is a surgeon whose total pay was $1.08 million, and he is the top money maker at UCI in terms of base salary. I'm told by the head of orthopedics at UCLA, a personal friend, that a good specialist typically makes about $1 million from private practice. The wife's pay is a little under $1 million and you can do the math on the private practice.

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wifeisafurd said:

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with all due respect, you categorically picked a different scenario than Cal. Cal offering the guy its cheap $1 million salary and his wife makes around $2 million, your comment seems really dumb if she takes a huge salary hit. If Syracuse offers $4.2 million, it is not to this guy (but a proven D! coach), but if they did, wife just gets a nice easy day ER job somewhere so she has time to attend games. That said, thinking anyone is going to offer Turner $4.2 million at this juncture is, with all due respect, the stupidest comment I heard this week by someone not named Donald Trump.

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His wife makes around $2 million? C'mon. The CEO of the entire UC Irvine Health System "only" makes $780,000 and the chief medical officer makes a little more than $500,000.

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Yeah that doesn't sound right. Especially as a general practitioner. Maybe if she was the head neurosurgeon or something.

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she is head of critical care.

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Not gonna happened. Primary reason is Cal doesn't have a medical school for his wife, the family breadwinner. And no, UCSF is not gong to accommodate Cal to provide a new head of their ER.

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Sure. Syracuse offers him 4.5mil to take over from Boeheim, but his wife nixes the deal b/c Syracuse doesn't have a med school (Upstate Med is SUNY, I believe). Chances are real good that he accepts before the Syracuse AD puts a period on the sentence.

With all due respect, some of the most catastrophically dumb statements in print appear on this board. That's not criticism, it's reality.

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with all due respect, you categorically picked a different scenario than Cal. Cal offering the guy its cheap $1 million salary and his wife makes around $2 million, your comment seems really dumb if she takes a huge salary hit. If Syracuse offers $4.2 million, it is not to this guy (but a proven D! coach), but if they did, wife just gets a nice easy day ER job somewhere so she has time to attend games. That said, thinking anyone is going to offer Turner $4.2 million at this juncture is, with all due respect, the stupidest comment I heard this week by someone not named Donald Trump.

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Who said any base salary offer from Cal would represent Turner's total compensation package? As a Stanford fan, you should know what's represented to the public is not the whole story. Of course Cal has so alienated its donors that a legitimate offer supplemented with private money is probably impossible in any case.

And why would you be surprised if a bona fide basketball school offered Turner (or the equivalent) a big salary? Missouri is paying a worthless coach $3M/year (base). Georgetown is probably paying Ewing, a guy like Cal's current HC with zero head coaching experience, $4M, which is a guess based on what they offered the guy from Xavier. Even Florida is paying a guy with zero top level coaching experience (unless you consider Jacksonville State and La Tech top level) more than $2M (base). Yeah, I'm pretty sure Syracuse would pay Turner, or the equivalent, somewhere in the range of $3M and up if Boeheim rode off into the sunset after this season.

Finally, as another poster suggested, it's not unheard of for spouses to spend some time apart owing to professional opportunities in other geographies. My wife and I were simultaneously based in SF and DC for a while for that very reason. Most professionals seeking career advancement would be willing to make a short term sacrifice for a long term benefit.

If Cal can't attract a guy like Turner, it's not for lack of resources or any crap about his "breadwinner" wife. It'll be b/c Berkeley is becoming an increasingly toxic environment for coaches and players interested in athletic excellence.

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Furd doesn't make salaries public. The overall salary of coaches as disclosed by UC includes their total comp. I might add that Jones contract is been posted here several times and he makes $1 million with limited incentives.

I do agree spouse could live apart. But less likely for Cal money. I do agree that the Cal job presently is not desirable.

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Not gonna happened. Primary reason is Cal doesn't have a medical school for his wife, the family breadwinner. And no, UCSF is not gong to accommodate Cal to provide a new head of their ER.

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Sure. Syracuse offers him 4.5mil to take over from Boeheim, but his wife nixes the deal b/c Syracuse doesn't have a med school (Upstate Med is SUNY, I believe). Chances are real good that he accepts before the Syracuse AD puts a period on the sentence.

With all due respect, some of the most catastrophically dumb statements in print appear on this board. That's not criticism, it's reality.

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with all due respect, you categorically picked a different scenario than Cal. Cal offering the guy its cheap $1 million salary and his wife makes around $2 million, your comment seems really dumb if she takes a huge salary hit. If Syracuse offers $4.2 million, it is not to this guy (but a proven D! coach), but if they did, wife just gets a nice easy day ER job somewhere so she has time to attend games. That said, thinking anyone is going to offer Turner $4.2 million at this juncture is, with all due respect, the stupidest comment I heard this week by someone not named Donald Trump.

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Who said any base salary offer from Cal would represent Turner's total compensation package? As a Stanford fan, you should know what's represented to the public is not the whole story. Of course Cal has so alienated its donors that a legitimate offer supplemented with private money is probably impossible in any case.

And why would you be surprised if a bona fide basketball school offered Turner (or the equivalent) a big salary? Missouri is paying a worthless coach $3M/year (base). Georgetown is probably paying Ewing, a guy like Cal's current HC with zero head coaching experience, $4M, which is a guess based on what they offered the guy from Xavier. Even Florida is paying a guy with zero top level coaching experience (unless you consider Jacksonville State and La Tech top level) more than $2M (base). Yeah, I'm pretty sure Syracuse would pay Turner, or the equivalent, somewhere in the range of $3M and up if Boeheim rode off into the sunset after this season.

Finally, as another poster suggested, it's not unheard of for spouses to spend some time apart owing to professional opportunities in other geographies. My wife and I were simultaneously based in SF and DC for a while for that very reason. Most professionals seeking career advancement would be willing to make a short term sacrifice for a long term benefit.

If Cal can't attract a guy like Turner, it's not for lack of resources or any crap about his "breadwinner" wife. It'll be b/c Berkeley is becoming an increasingly toxic environment for coaches and players interested in athletic excellence.

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Furd doesn't make salaries public. The overall salary of coaches as disclosed by UC includes their total comp. I might add that Jones contract is been posted here several times and he makes $1 million with limited incentives.

I do agree spouse could live apart. But less likely for Cal money. I do agree that the Cal job presently is not desirable.

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Interesting discussion, and thanks to you for the load of information.

When you say the Cal job is presently not desirable, do you mean in not desirable to the Turners, or not desirable to D1 coaches in general?

I know one coach who is very interested. His name is Wyking Jones. As far as I have heard, he works his tail off to recruit, to teach, to coach. He started with two proven players, one mostly a substitute at Kentucky.for 3 seasons. Both were seniors. His first season with so little talent was predictably a bad season in wins and losses. Then the two seniors graduated, and the only experienced players he had were two sophomores, and he had to build a team from scratch again. No coach in Cal history was ever given less to start his Cal career with. Again he had a predictably bad season in wins and losses. He has been hammered by the press, and vilified by Cal fans here on the Bear Insider. In spite of all this criticism, some of it from knowledgeable basketball fans or reporters, and some of it from fans who wouldn't know a basketball from a beach ball. All he did was fail to win much so far. He has tried very hard to live up to the contract he signed. He has never complained, never blamed anyone else, as far as I know. He has never faltered in his attempt to make Cal better, and become a successful coach himself. I would say he feels the Cal job is desirable, maybe very much so, because if he can make something out of the mess that he started with, it would be a feather in his coaching cap, and lead him into the salary range of other coaches in the same level job. And if he were to fail at this job so fast, even though he might find an assistant coach job again, he likely never again would be offered a P5/P6 head coach position. So I think he desires the job, wants to keep it, even in the face of all the criticism and mounting pressure to win a lot. A lesser man might have resigned. He may stink as a coach, but he has lived up to the contract he signed, as far as we know. The AD has a lot to think about, all right.

Nothing against anyone posting here, but I'd rather see Cal move to D-3 than try to compete by getting people to donate more money than Phil Knight.

And FWIW I'll root against America in the America's Cup until the cost of the boats is not the deciding factor. FU Larry.

Go Coach Jones and go Cal!

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Less desirable because of budget limits, lack of practice facility, roster has gaps and lacks experience, etc. With Knowlton versus Williams the job got better if I'm a coach. I might add that the job is desirable for an experienced coach sometime in the near future, but probably not in time for making a decision on Jones.

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Not gonna happened. Primary reason is Cal doesn't have a medical school for his wife, the family breadwinner. And no, UCSF is not gong to accommodate Cal to provide a new head of their ER.

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Sure. Syracuse offers him 4.5mil to take over from Boeheim, but his wife nixes the deal b/c Syracuse doesn't have a med school (Upstate Med is SUNY, I believe). Chances are real good that he accepts before the Syracuse AD puts a period on the sentence.

With all due respect, some of the most catastrophically dumb statements in print appear on this board. That's not criticism, it's reality.

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with all due respect, you categorically picked a different scenario than Cal. Cal offering the guy its cheap $1 million salary and his wife makes around $2 million, your comment seems really dumb if she takes a huge salary hit. If Syracuse offers $4.2 million, it is not to this guy (but a proven D! coach), but if they did, wife just gets a nice easy day ER job somewhere so she has time to attend games. That said, thinking anyone is going to offer Turner $4.2 million at this juncture is, with all due respect, the stupidest comment I heard this week by someone not named Donald Trump.

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Who said any base salary offer from Cal would represent Turner's total compensation package? As a Stanford fan, you should know what's represented to the public is not the whole story. Of course Cal has so alienated its donors that a legitimate offer supplemented with private money is probably impossible in any case.

And why would you be surprised if a bona fide basketball school offered Turner (or the equivalent) a big salary? Missouri is paying a worthless coach $3M/year (base). Georgetown is probably paying Ewing, a guy like Cal's current HC with zero head coaching experience, $4M, which is a guess based on what they offered the guy from Xavier. Even Florida is paying a guy with zero top level coaching experience (unless you consider Jacksonville State and La Tech top level) more than $2M (base). Yeah, I'm pretty sure Syracuse would pay Turner, or the equivalent, somewhere in the range of $3M and up if Boeheim rode off into the sunset after this season.

Finally, as another poster suggested, it's not unheard of for spouses to spend some time apart owing to professional opportunities in other geographies. My wife and I were simultaneously based in SF and DC for a while for that very reason. Most professionals seeking career advancement would be willing to make a short term sacrifice for a long term benefit.

If Cal can't attract a guy like Turner, it's not for lack of resources or any crap about his "breadwinner" wife. It'll be b/c Berkeley is becoming an increasingly toxic environment for coaches and players interested in athletic excellence.

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Furd doesn't make salaries public. The overall salary of coaches as disclosed by UC includes their total comp. I might add that Jones contract is been posted here several times and he makes $1 million with limited incentives.

I do agree spouse could live apart. But less likely for Cal money. I do agree that the Cal job presently is not desirable.

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guess the coaching salaries need to be addressed, Cal is not paying anyone 3 o4 million dollars. in fact, only one veteran coach in the Pac (Larry K) makes over $3 million. Sean Miller and Altman can possibly make over $3 million with a good year through bonuses. Miller is not getting a bonus this year. The numbers thrown around here for a UCI coach in his first D1 job at a Pac 12 school which has budget issues are, nicely put, unrealistic.

As for Cuse picking Turner, not gonna happen. Programs like that pick successful D1 coaches, and pay them accordingly.

Martin was paid way too much, but there were reasons. He still actually had plenty of D1 coaching experience and gotten teams deep into the NCAA. Turner has no D1 experience, actually has a GRAND TOTOAL OF ONE NCAA post season wins, and been to the big dance a total of two times. He also doesn't happen to be a local, respected black guy going to a program and campus suffering for racial division, which meant Missouri was willing to dig deep.

Ewing is a hall of fame player who also coached for 15 years in the NBA. He also served as interim head coach for the Bobcats when their coach received from open heart surgery, which most people would consider head coaching experience. Moreover, Georgetown brought in a coach close to the program's roots who also reflects back to the school's former standard of greatness. Let me suggest Turner is deficient in every one of these criteria (he was an assistant at golden state 6 years before they became good). He will actually have to stand on his coaching record and he is not going to Cuse, GT or any other similar program. He probably can go to a decent D1 program, but not the big boys. But then again, the issue is how much is Ewjing paid? You don't know. Yes, maybe it takes $3.6 million to try to get Mack (who unlike Turner actually goes to the NCAA tourney regularly and wins lot's of games) to jump to Georgetown (and he turned them down), but Ewing probably would pay Georgetown to her able to coach there. He made $118 million as a player and more as a coach. He doesn't need the money. But Georgetown being private we are not going to find out his salary.

There is nothing about Florida comparable to Cal, sorry. And Ole Miss thinks it is Division 1 btw.

Just for the record, Mark Few makes under $2 million annually. Think Turner is a better coach? .

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with all due respect, you categorically picked a different scenario than Cal. Cal offering the guy its cheap $1 million salary and his wife makes around $2 million, your comment seems really dumb if she takes a huge salary hit. If Syracuse offers $4.2 million, it is not to this guy (but a proven D! coach), but if they did, wife just gets a nice easy day ER job somewhere so she has time to attend games. That said, thinking anyone is going to offer Turner $4.2 million at this juncture is, with all due respect, the stupidest comment I heard this week by someone not named Donald Trump.

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His wife makes around $2 million? C'mon. The CEO of the entire UC Irvine Health System "only" makes $780,000 and the chief medical officer makes a little more than $500,000.

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Jesus, another know it all. UCI salary does not include private practice money.

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If Dr. Turner is making $200,000 a year from UCI and, as you imply, close to a million a year from a highly successful private practice, then she could make that million a year in the Bay Area as well, regardless of whether she has an affiliation with a UC hospital, or, instead, with another large hospital.

BTW, Dana Altman's revised contract probably makes him the highest paid Pac-12 coach.

For this season, he makes $2.5 million plus gets a $300,000 retention bonus if he is still Oregon's head coach on April 26. He will also get $25,000 for the Ducks' NCAA bid and $40,000 for winning the Pac-12 tournament. He'd get more if the Ducks advance to the sweet 16 or farther.

Starting next season:

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His salary will be $2.9 million next season, $3.225 million in 2020-21, $3.525 million in 2021-22 and $3.775 million annually from 2022-23 through 2025-26. Altman's retention bonus, which is $300,000 at the end of this season, will decline to $200,000 at the end of next season and $100,000 at the completion of each following season.

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https://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/2019/03/details-released-for-oregons-three-year-contract-extension-of-dana-altman.html

If Cal can't pay a well-qualified head coach even half that much... yikes. I suppose we can try to get 5x or 10x value out of a coach who is happy to have a salary that is at the bottom of the Pac, but I wouldn't bet much on that strategy being successful, just as it has been a poor strategy over the past two seasons..

and the guy in Washington was just anounced at 17.5 for 6 years.

3 million is the new 50.

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Nothing against anyone posting here, but I'd rather see Cal move to D-3 than try to compete by getting people to donate more money than Phil Knight.

And FWIW I'll root against America in the America's Cup until the cost of the boats is not the deciding factor. FU Larry.

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Unfortunately Stu, until the stadium debt is retired, I don't think leaving the P12 is a feasible consideration. Check back in 40 years.

Irvine is D1...

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Nothing against anyone posting here, but I'd rather see Cal move to D-3 than try to compete by getting people to donate more money than Phil Knight.

And FWIW I'll root against America in the America's Cup until the cost of the boats is not the deciding factor. FU Larry.

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My Gosh!
Even if it's Sir Larry against the World?

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Irvine is D1...

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yea, I should have been really saying P5. Have to say we all didn't see that.

Moreover, going back to the OP, it was the right idea of who Cal s/b going after though
Turner may be harder fit given you have to figure out the wife angle, and he may have competing offers from better programs.

But I think you are correct in the background of the coach Cal should look for (along with a former player) when they are ready to hire a new coach.

The B-ball program is dead. Won't really matter. Just hope he's not getting an extension.

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Not gonna happened. Primary reason is Cal doesn't have a medical school for his wife, the family breadwinner. And no, UCSF is not gong to accommodate Cal to provide a new head of their ER.

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Sure. Syracuse offers him 4.5mil to take over from Boeheim, but his wife nixes the deal b/c Syracuse doesn't have a med school (Upstate Med is SUNY, I believe). Chances are real good that he accepts before the Syracuse AD puts a period on the sentence.

With all due respect, some of the most catastrophically dumb statements in print appear on this board. That's not criticism, it's reality.

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It may or may not be a dumb statement, but what is catastrophic about it? That a small school coach loses out on getting a job in P5/P6 school? Heavens to Mergatroid! The sky is falling! I don't disagree that we fans make dumb statements on this board, but as fans we are given to a lot of wild exaggeration as well. The word "fan" is derived from the word "fanatic", after all.

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Frankly, I have no idea what you're talking about.

I think it's unreasonable to suggest that the UCI coach won't accept an offer at a school without a med school (or one with a med school that's unwilling to employ his wife in a leadership role) if that school is proposing to pay him several times what he's making at UCI. I stand corrected if he's said, "Suitors be warned, I won't work for you unless my wife can be head of emergency medicine at the teaching hospital attached to your univeristy, even if you offer me all the money in the world. She's the family breadwinner after all."

If you're looking for "wild exaggeration", I refer you to the original post on this issue.

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I don't disagree with anything you said. With all due respect, I was talking about the choice of the word, "catastrophically". I think the use of the word "catastrophic" is quite a stretch. We are talking about a coach who might make millions of dollars coaching kids to play a game of sport, and for whatever reason turns it down. I don't see that as catastrophic, unless we place games and fun far more important in life than most other things that happen. A fire, a flood, a tsumani, hurricane, a tornado, causing tremendous loss of life and property, all are catastrophic. Losing out on a coaching job or making a dumb statement are seldom, if ever catastrophic.

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Not to belabor this, but I'm not suggesting that any catastrophe will result from anything this or any coach does or doesn't do, unless they turn to a life of crime. The term refers to the scale of exaggeration, misstatement of facts and general BS seen on this board. It's huge. Maybe even "stratospherically" so, if you prefer that term.

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That works for me. I was probably too critical. I agree completely with you. I'm guilty of all three from time to time. Much of it is being lazy, just reacting, sometimes getting hot, and posting, not thinking it through before I write it, and not proofreading it before I post it. Do you think it is just on the BI or is it pervasive in society in general in this age of electronic typed communication? I nearly got fired from a good upper management job over an e-mail I sent to a client. Client was taking advantage of my young engineers, getting them to perform extra services outside our contract and not paying us for those services. I ripped him in an e-mail, told him that he would have to stop, or get himself another consulting firm. My boss called late Sunday night and he ripped me for sending such an e-mail, and said if I did it again, i'd be fired. The next day, the client sent me an apologetic e-mail giving in to my demand. Still, I should have chosen better language, maybe a different tack. A face to face meeting would have been a better choice, but the client was a thousand miles away. I don't like electronic communication. I spend at least a quarter of my time on this board defending, revising, or apologizing for some of the stuff I write without thinking things through.

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Yah I can relate on the email. Hot takes on a sports message board are one thing, but it's hard to undo the damage from an email sent in haste. I generally agree that any difficult subjects require either a phone call or face to face. You get better results and the process of getting there isn't sitting in black and white in the cloud forever.

If anything, I'd say the outbursts here help keep them from showing up in places that actually matter. Plus being a Cal fan is far more frustrating than my job - I guess I should count my blessings for that.

The Vandy coach just became available. At 0-18 in conference he just might be a good fit and come cheap.