The guy that Jim Knowlton hired has won an average of 18 games in the last 9 years as a power conference coach and has a losing record in conference.calbear80 said:
Mark Fox won an average 24+ games in Nevada (9 years) and an average 20+ games in his 14 years as D-1 Head Coach. That is a pretty strong resume.
I have and will continue donating to Cal Athletics and all things Cal.
Go Bears!
OaktownBear said:The guy that Jim Knowlton hired has won an average of 18 games in the last 9 years as a power conference coach and has a losing record in conference.calbear80 said:
Mark Fox won an average 24+ games in Nevada (9 years) and an average 20+ games in his 14 years as D-1 Head Coach. That is a pretty strong resume.
I have and will continue donating to Cal Athletics and all things Cal.
Go Bears!
That is a strong resume for a low to mid major. That is a crap resume for a power conference team that cares about winning.
Look around the internet. Everyone is laughing at us.
The ceiling is set, and it's low. If he wasn't able to win at a school with way more money and support or any academic restrictions, it's unfathomable that he will do so here.calbear80 said:OaktownBear said:The guy that Jim Knowlton hired has won an average of 18 games in the last 9 years as a power conference coach and has a losing record in conference.calbear80 said:
Mark Fox won an average 24+ games in Nevada (9 years) and an average 20+ games in his 14 years as D-1 Head Coach. That is a pretty strong resume.
I have and will continue donating to Cal Athletics and all things Cal.
Go Bears!
That is a strong resume for a low to mid major. That is a crap resume for a power conference team that cares about winning.
Look around the internet. Everyone is laughing at us.
How many games a year did Turner, Smith and DeCuire won in a power conference in the last whatever years? Oh, they were not in a power conference. Do you ever wonder why? To compare apple to apple, Fox won an average of 24+ in a mid-major Conference.
calbear80 said:OaktownBear said:The guy that Jim Knowlton hired has won an average of 18 games in the last 9 years as a power conference coach and has a losing record in conference.calbear80 said:
Mark Fox won an average 24+ games in Nevada (9 years) and an average 20+ games in his 14 years as D-1 Head Coach. That is a pretty strong resume.
I have and will continue donating to Cal Athletics and all things Cal.
Go Bears!
That is a strong resume for a low to mid major. That is a crap resume for a power conference team that cares about winning.
Look around the internet. Everyone is laughing at us.
How many games a year did Turner, Smith and DeCuire won in a power conference in the last whatever years? Oh, they were not in a power conference. Do you ever wonder why? To compare apples to apples, Fox won an average of 24+ in a mid-major Conference.
If we had hired him based on his Nevada resume, it looks a lot like the profile of a DeCuire or Turner. Reasonable risk to take for a hire if you decide you don't want to pay a premium for an established major conference coach.Bear19 said:
Yogi, what's wrong with Fox?
The support is debatable. Georgia's commitment to basketball has mostly been like USC. But he still should have been able to make the tournament more than twice in nine years.socaliganbear said:The ceiling is set, and it's low. If he wasn't able to win at a school with way more money and support or any academic restrictions, it's unfathomable that he will do so here.calbear80 said:OaktownBear said:The guy that Jim Knowlton hired has won an average of 18 games in the last 9 years as a power conference coach and has a losing record in conference.calbear80 said:
Mark Fox won an average 24+ games in Nevada (9 years) and an average 20+ games in his 14 years as D-1 Head Coach. That is a pretty strong resume.
I have and will continue donating to Cal Athletics and all things Cal.
Go Bears!
That is a strong resume for a low to mid major. That is a crap resume for a power conference team that cares about winning.
Look around the internet. Everyone is laughing at us.
How many games a year did Turner, Smith and DeCuire won in a power conference in the last whatever years? Oh, they were not in a power conference. Do you ever wonder why? To compare apple to apple, Fox won an average of 24+ in a mid-major Conference.
Oh, and a well deserved LOL for the aboveOaktownBear said:The guy that Jim Knowlton hired has won an average of 18 games in the last 9 years as a power conference coach and has a losing record in conference.calbear80 said:
Mark Fox won an average 24+ games in Nevada (9 years) and an average 20+ games in his 14 years as D-1 Head Coach. That is a pretty strong resume.
I have and will continue donating to Cal Athletics and all things Cal.
Go Bears!
That is a strong resume for a low to mid major. That is a crap resume for a power conference team that cares about winning.
Look around the internet. Everyone is laughing at us.
Alkiadt said:
I hate this hire
OaktownBear said:
...The guy that Jim Knowlton hired ...
I would have absolutely loved to have hired Fox when Georgia did. That is the kind of mid major coaching record you take a chance on when you are a program like Georgia or Cal. Sometimes the guy does great. Sometimes you find out he exceeded his level. Tough to know which coach will be which. We don't know what Turner and Decuire might do at the next level. We know what Fox did. That is like saying I'd rather have had Ryan Leaf because he was a top 2 pick who had played in NFL games than Aaron Rodgers as a rookie because he was a 20 something pick who hadn't played a game yet.calbear80 said:OaktownBear said:The guy that Jim Knowlton hired has won an average of 18 games in the last 9 years as a power conference coach and has a losing record in conference.calbear80 said:
Mark Fox won an average 24+ games in Nevada (9 years) and an average 20+ games in his 14 years as D-1 Head Coach. That is a pretty strong resume.
I have and will continue donating to Cal Athletics and all things Cal.
Go Bears!
That is a strong resume for a low to mid major. That is a crap resume for a power conference team that cares about winning.
Look around the internet. Everyone is laughing at us.
How many games a year did Turner, Smith and DeCuire won in a power conference in the last whatever years? Oh, they were not in a power conference. Do you ever wonder why? To compare apples to apples, Fox won an average of 24+ in a mid-major Conference.
Tell her all you want. She'd be elated to know you hate this. You're not part of her primary constituency. In fact, you're probably the type of person she'd like to see disappear permanently.Yogi Bear said:
Tell her that your wallet is closed for all things Cal until they stop doing stupid stuff like this.
Because if you don't, then they will assume that they can keep selling you a **** product and charge you premium prices to support it.
Yah he is such a strong coach that he's been out of D1 basketball for a year and we're acting like he's a hot commodity.OaktownBear said:The guy that Jim Knowlton hired has won an average of 18 games in the last 9 years as a power conference coach and has a losing record in conference.calbear80 said:
Mark Fox won an average 24+ games in Nevada (9 years) and an average 20+ games in his 14 years as D-1 Head Coach. That is a pretty strong resume.
I have and will continue donating to Cal Athletics and all things Cal.
Go Bears!
That is a strong resume for a low to mid major. That is a crap resume for a power conference team that cares about winning.
Look around the internet. Everyone is laughing at us.
He started at UGA in 2009-10, right? Vandy finished even with or above UGA in the SEC in 5 out of 9 of Fox's seasons. Is Vandy a shadier program than UGA? Doubt it.BearGreg said:
One consideration (that we heard in talking to folks close to the Georgia program when Fox was there) was the self-imposed limitation Fox placed on recruiting by playing things clean. The SEC and the region in which it recruits basketball players is not one that is known for success without cutting more than a few corners.
While the Pac-12 has its share of shady programs, by and large, most programs are not following the Arizona, Kansas path.
A quote from one of the best college hoops TV analysts on Fox, "What this guy did at GEORGIA is remarkable. GEORGIA! And without cheating. He'll kill it at Cal."
calbear80 said:
Mark Fox won an average 24+ games in Nevada (9 years) and an average 20+ games in his 14 years as D-1 Head Coach. That is a pretty strong resume.
I have and will continue donating to Cal Athletics and all things Cal.
Go Bears!
P.S. Cal just repalced a coach who won an average of 8 games a year with a coach who won an average of 20+ games a year (250%+ improvement). That seems like a major step in the right direction to me.
P.S.S. OK, I, like most, would have been happier with DeCuire, but, now Fox is our guy and he seems ok to me.
And on that note, LOL at Calipari endorsing him when he cuts corners just as much as anyone else.BearGreg said:
One consideration (that we heard in talking to folks close to the Georgia program when Fox was there) was the self-imposed limitation Fox placed on recruiting by playing things clean. The SEC and the region in which it recruits basketball players is not one that is known for success without cutting more than a few corners.
It would be funny how Cal trips all over themselves to talk about how we do it better and cleaner than everyone else, until you start listing the programs that appear to be just as clean, care just as much about academics, and win a hell of a lot more than Cal.Quote:
While the Pac-12 has its share of shady programs, by and large, most programs are not following the Arizona, Kansas path.
A quote from one of the best college hoops TV analysts on Fox, "What this guy did at GEORGIA is remarkable. GEORGIA! And without cheating. He'll kill it at Cal."
