sandiegobears said:

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Hasn't DeCuire been hired by another program in the last 6 years? Oh wait...people need to leave DeCuire (and Turner for that matter) out of the discussion. No one else has hired them in 6 or 9 years, respectively, maybe there's a reason?

That being said, this ain't fun.

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No way we have these transfers with Decuire, as classy and respectable person as you can get. Soft spoken but firm when he needed to be. His style is antithetical to that opening speech ushering in the Fox era.

Knowlton just sucks in gauging things -- about to keep Wyking, then rushes to hire a guy that reminds him of someone at the AFA. While he consults the parents for Wyking, he doesn't do it for the hire that will set the tone for years. Good work Mr. Knowlton. Looking crappier every day.

KoreAmBear said:

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Yogi Bear said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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No way we have these transfers with Decuire, as classy and respectable person as you can get.

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How can you possibly know that?

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Yes it's not possible to predict the future, but you have the ability to reason Yogi and determine probabilities and likelihoods.

Decuire is an easy going but firm African American coach who carries himself like a very respectable parental figure you can trust. I thought that when he was here. This is in stark contrast to Fox who came in like the new sheriff in town telling them he's going to correct their bad habits. Hmm which sounds better?

I firmly believe the players would have bought in. At least there would not be an exodus. At a minimum, get some feedback. Ugh.

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Maybe they don't like the university. Maybe they don't like playing for a bad team. Maybe they don't like Fox. I don't know what their reasons are unless they tell us. But there's no way to know that Decuire would have kept them here. That's just a bitter fan who didn't get the coach he wanted hired assuming that everything would've been sun and roses with that guy.

I don't even want Fox as the coach. I don't know if Decuire was the best available guy (I doubt it, but I'd have preferred him to Fox). But I don't know how someone projects that a guy with no established relationships with anyone on the team is going to come in and convince everybody that they'll be happy sticking with him. There's no probability, reasoning, or anything else going on here other than wishcasting.

And at any point, it's pointless at this point. We got who we got and all we can hope is that he gets some good transfers to replace all the guys he's losing and rights this ship quickly.

Yogi Bear said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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Yogi Bear said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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No way we have these transfers with Decuire, as classy and respectable person as you can get.

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How can you possibly know that?

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Yes it's not possible to predict the future, but you have the ability to reason Yogi and determine probabilities and likelihoods.

Decuire is an easy going but firm African American coach who carries himself like a very respectable parental figure you can trust. I thought that when he was here. This is in stark contrast to Fox who came in like the new sheriff in town telling them he's going to correct their bad habits. Hmm which sounds better?

I firmly believe the players would have bought in. At least there would not be an exodus. At a minimum, get some feedback. Ugh.

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Maybe they don't like the university. Maybe they don't like playing for a bad team. Maybe they don't like Fox. I don't know what their reasons are unless they tell us. But there's no way to know that Decuire would have kept them here. That's just a bitter fan who didn't get the coach he wanted hired assuming that everything would've been sun and roses with that guy.

I don't even want Fox as the coach. I don't know if Decuire was the best available guy (I doubt it, but I'd have preferred him to Fox). But I don't know how someone projects that a guy with no established relationships with anyone on the team is going to come in and convince everybody that they'll be happy sticking with him. There's no probability, reasoning, or anything else going on here other than wishcasting.

And at any point, it's pointless at this point. We got who we got and all we can hope is that he gets some good transfers to replace all the guys he's losing and rights this ship quickly.

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I'm not sure what the f____everyone expected. This is the worst team in school history, the fans and university are unsupportive, and besides a losing environment, you actually have to attend a hard school. There were going to be a ton of transfers regardless of coach. Guys were going to leave because they could. Guys were and are going to be moved out because they don't fit (recall last year?). Sure Vanover look like future Pac 12 talent, but let's be serious, why should he stay for a long rebuild with a coaching staff most fans don't even like, when he can he can go to school known for producing big men (Gonzaga comes to mind)? This is a few year process, and probably starts with transfers like Nevada, trying to keep a few good players that fit, while we recruiting foreign talent that actually wants to stay around for a degree. Anybody thinking this was a quick turn around from the worst team in history clearly doesn't understand how limited in number are the game changing players that want an academic school, and the undesirably of the Pac as a basketball conference with its poor visibility and refs that don't allow physical NBA style play even for those few who do think about academics.

When Cuonzo came on board he knew the importance of keeping the roster intact. He had to recruit his own roster. No one left and I'm sure players were suspect of a new coach. You start losing players and the rebuild will get exponentially harder.

And imho, this isn't even a rebuild situation. If fox retains everyone and implements a tough defense then I think the team could be .500

• Definitely a final four team if they could shoot, rebound, distribute and defend.

wifeisafurd said:

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Yogi Bear said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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Yogi Bear said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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No way we have these transfers with Decuire, as classy and respectable person as you can get.

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How can you possibly know that?

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Yes it's not possible to predict the future, but you have the ability to reason Yogi and determine probabilities and likelihoods.

Decuire is an easy going but firm African American coach who carries himself like a very respectable parental figure you can trust. I thought that when he was here. This is in stark contrast to Fox who came in like the new sheriff in town telling them he's going to correct their bad habits. Hmm which sounds better?

I firmly believe the players would have bought in. At least there would not be an exodus. At a minimum, get some feedback. Ugh.

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Maybe they don't like the university. Maybe they don't like playing for a bad team. Maybe they don't like Fox. I don't know what their reasons are unless they tell us. But there's no way to know that Decuire would have kept them here. That's just a bitter fan who didn't get the coach he wanted hired assuming that everything would've been sun and roses with that guy.

I don't even want Fox as the coach. I don't know if Decuire was the best available guy (I doubt it, but I'd have preferred him to Fox). But I don't know how someone projects that a guy with no established relationships with anyone on the team is going to come in and convince everybody that they'll be happy sticking with him. There's no probability, reasoning, or anything else going on here other than wishcasting.

And at any point, it's pointless at this point. We got who we got and all we can hope is that he gets some good transfers to replace all the guys he's losing and rights this ship quickly.

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I'm not sure what the f____everyone expected. This is the worst team in school history, the fans and university are unsupportive, and besides a losing environment, you actually have to attend a hard school. There were going to be a ton of transfers regardless of coach. Guys were going to leave because they could. Guys were and are going to be moved out because they don't fit (recall last year?). Sure Vanover look like future Pac 12 talent, but let's be serious, why should he stay for a long rebuild with a coaching staff most fans don't even like, when he can he can go to school known for producing big men (Gonzaga comes to mind)? This is a few year process, and probably starts with transfers like Nevada, trying to keep a few good players that fit, while we recruiting foreign talent that actually wants to stay around for a degree. Anybody thinking this was a quick turn around from the worst team in history clearly doesn't understand how limited in number are the game changing players that want an academic school, and the undesirably of the Pac as a basketball conference with its poor visibility and refs that don't allow physical NBA style play even for those few who do think about academics.

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WIAF-
Did anybody say they expected a quick turnaround? This is like a surgeon saying "yeah, I left my wristwatch in the patient, but he was having open heart surgery. Did anyone expect him to run a marathon tomorrow?"

Maybe it is precisely because people know that turning around the program would be a long process that we hoped we wouldn't take 20 steps back before we started.

Campanelli wasn't the greatest coach in the world, but I'd look at that as a reference point. Cal had not been relevant in years. The Kuchen era was a joke. The only reason the gym wasn't half empty was because it only seated 6600. We had 4 good players and a bunch of guys that worked hard and you could convince to play defense.

That team went to the NIT twice Cal's first post season in decades. They broke the streak against UCLA. Their accomplishments were modest from an overall standpoint. But they set the tone that brought in the Keith Smith-Roy Fisher-Ryan Drew team. That team got to the first NCAA tournament in 30 years. They got an 8 seed and a victory over Indiana in the opening round. That set the tone that allowed the Jason Kidd team to come in.

Kidd-Murray and beating Duke to go to the Sweet Sixteen does not happen without Kevin Johnson, Leonard Taylor, Chris Washington and David Butler.

2004 and Aaron Rodgers does not happen without 2002 and Kyle Boller.

We are not turning Sueing, McNeil, Vanover and JHD's scholarships into freshman phenom recruits. If we are lucky those 4 scholarships will go to guys who are equivalent talents who will start all over again as freshman. I don't know what the "good riddance" crowd expected from these guys. They come onto a team with virtually no returning viable players and a coach who hasn't even begun to prepare himself to be a head coach, let alone have any experience. And you expect them to do anything but lose as freshman and sophomores? It wasn't going to happen. I am not under any illusions that these guys are destined for the NBA or that Cal was going to develop into a Sweet Sixteen team with that roster. But it was definitely a core that could have brought us back to respectability and set the foundation for better things in the future. I don't think moving up to maybe 10-8 in 2 years with these guys was outlandish. Now it is a total pipe dream.

wifeisafurd said:

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Yogi Bear said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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Yogi Bear said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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No way we have these transfers with Decuire, as classy and respectable person as you can get.

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How can you possibly know that?

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Yes it's not possible to predict the future, but you have the ability to reason Yogi and determine probabilities and likelihoods.

Decuire is an easy going but firm African American coach who carries himself like a very respectable parental figure you can trust. I thought that when he was here. This is in stark contrast to Fox who came in like the new sheriff in town telling them he's going to correct their bad habits. Hmm which sounds better?

I firmly believe the players would have bought in. At least there would not be an exodus. At a minimum, get some feedback. Ugh.

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Maybe they don't like the university. Maybe they don't like playing for a bad team. Maybe they don't like Fox. I don't know what their reasons are unless they tell us. But there's no way to know that Decuire would have kept them here. That's just a bitter fan who didn't get the coach he wanted hired assuming that everything would've been sun and roses with that guy.

I don't even want Fox as the coach. I don't know if Decuire was the best available guy (I doubt it, but I'd have preferred him to Fox). But I don't know how someone projects that a guy with no established relationships with anyone on the team is going to come in and convince everybody that they'll be happy sticking with him. There's no probability, reasoning, or anything else going on here other than wishcasting.

And at any point, it's pointless at this point. We got who we got and all we can hope is that he gets some good transfers to replace all the guys he's losing and rights this ship quickly.

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I'm not sure what the f____everyone expected. This is the worst team in school history, the fans and university are unsupportive, and besides a losing environment, you actually have to attend a hard school. There were going to be a ton of transfers regardless of coach. Guys were going to leave because they could. Guys were and are going to be moved out because they don't fit (recall last year?). Sure Vanover look like future Pac 12 talent, but let's be serious, why should he stay for a long rebuild with a coaching staff most fans don't even like, when he can he can go to school known for producing big men (Gonzaga comes to mind)? This is a few year process, and probably starts with transfers like Nevada, trying to keep a few good players that fit, while we recruiting foreign talent that actually wants to stay around for a degree. Anybody thinking this was a quick turn around from the worst team in history clearly doesn't understand how limited in number are the game changing players that want an academic school, and the undesirably of the Pac as a basketball conference with its poor visibility and refs that don't allow physical NBA style play even for those few who do think about academics.

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My expectations?

A thoughtful search for a new coach who clearly understands the campus culture, how to identify talent, motivate young men, and, of course, is willing to work in an area with extreme housing issues.

Instead, Cal received a slapdash, hurried process that was dominated by a search agency with ulterior motives. Fox is not to blame. He has been put into an untenable situation. He did what most people would do - take the money, plan on hanging around a couple years and then leave a mess for someone else to clean up. The person who screwed up is Cal's completely incompetent "leader" - Knowlton. The job is far above his skill level. He is nothing more than a low level administrator. At the time he was hired, Cal needed a dynamic, revenue sports-focused administrator. They were out there but Cal, displaying their typical smugness, decided to cram a square peg in a round hole. Too bad......