where will the AD end up after discovering 'that he needs more time to spend with his family'? deCuire was thge obvious hire, but, like so many people, the AD wanted be "his own man" and to show the world that he could land a terrific coach without getting input from Monty, et al. This has the potential to be the greatest blunder in Cal history. This is what happens when an AD with a Hockey background from the Air Force suddenly becomes the Ad at Cal. mike Williams.......please come back......all is forgiven. my admiration for Chancellor Crist has just dropped a couple of notches. if i weren't a grown man, i would start to cry. what the heck....I'm going to cry anyway.

There are some things that should never be said. Welcome back Mike Williams (or Sonny Dykes) is one of them.

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where will the AD end up after discovering 'that he needs more time to spend with his family'? deCuire was thge obvious hire, but, like so many people, the AD wanted be "his own man" and to show the world that he could land a terrific coach without getting input from Monty, et al. This has the potential to be the greatest blunder in Cal history. This is what happens when an AD with a Hockey background from the Air Force suddenly becomes the Ad at Cal. mike Williams.......please come back......all is forgiven. my admiration for Chancellor Crist has just dropped a couple of notches. if i weren't a grown man, i would start to cry. what the heck....I'm going to cry anyway.

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If you're crying over this, were you on suicide watch the last 2 years? Oh wait, you kinda dug the last guy's act.

Nevermind. Cal rules are being applied. Trying to make sense of it is a futile pursuit.

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Nevermind. Cal rules are being applied. Trying to make sense of it is a futile pursuit.

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Even Cal grads can't understand Cal rules.

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where will the AD end up after discovering 'that he needs more time to spend with his family'? deCuire was thge obvious hire, but, like so many people, the AD wanted be "his own man" and to show the world that he could land a terrific coach without getting input from Monty, et al. This has the potential to be the greatest blunder in Cal history. This is what happens when an AD with a Hockey background from the Air Force suddenly becomes the Ad at Cal. mike Williams.......please come back......all is forgiven. my admiration for Chancellor Crist has just dropped a couple of notches. if i weren't a grown man, i would start to cry. what the heck....I'm going to cry anyway.

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Decuire was the obvious hire? What was so obvious about it?

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Northside91 said:

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Nevermind. Cal rules are being applied. Trying to make sense of it is a futile pursuit.

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Even Cal grads can't understand Cal rules.

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That's the beauty of Cal

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where will the AD end up after discovering 'that he needs more time to spend with his family'? deCuire was thge obvious hire, but, like so many people, the AD wanted be "his own man" and to show the world that he could land a terrific coach without getting input from Monty, et al. This has the potential to be the greatest blunder in Cal history. This is what happens when an AD with a Hockey background from the Air Force suddenly becomes the Ad at Cal. mike Williams.......please come back......all is forgiven. my admiration for Chancellor Crist has just dropped a couple of notches. if i weren't a grown man, i would start to cry. what the heck....I'm going to cry anyway.

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Decuire was the obvious hire? What was so obvious about it?

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1. He was cheap
2. Our most successful (recent) basketball coach endorsed him
3. He had some success as a lower level head coach

82gradDLSdad said:

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Yogi Bear said:

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helltopay1 said:

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where will the AD end up after discovering 'that he needs more time to spend with his family'? deCuire was thge obvious hire, but, like so many people, the AD wanted be "his own man" and to show the world that he could land a terrific coach without getting input from Monty, et al. This has the potential to be the greatest blunder in Cal history. This is what happens when an AD with a Hockey background from the Air Force suddenly becomes the Ad at Cal. mike Williams.......please come back......all is forgiven. my admiration for Chancellor Crist has just dropped a couple of notches. if i weren't a grown man, i would start to cry. what the heck....I'm going to cry anyway.

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Decuire was the obvious hire? What was so obvious about it?

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1. He was cheap
2. Our most successful (recent) basketball coach endorsed him
3. He had some success as a lower level head coach

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And he wasn't hired. Sort of a variation on the "grass is always greener" outlook.

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82gradDLSdad said:

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Yogi Bear said:

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where will the AD end up after discovering 'that he needs more time to spend with his family'? deCuire was thge obvious hire, but, like so many people, the AD wanted be "his own man" and to show the world that he could land a terrific coach without getting input from Monty, et al. This has the potential to be the greatest blunder in Cal history. This is what happens when an AD with a Hockey background from the Air Force suddenly becomes the Ad at Cal. mike Williams.......please come back......all is forgiven. my admiration for Chancellor Crist has just dropped a couple of notches. if i weren't a grown man, i would start to cry. what the heck....I'm going to cry anyway.

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Decuire was the obvious hire? What was so obvious about it?

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1. He was cheap
2. Our most successful (recent) basketball coach endorsed him
3. He had some success as a lower level head coach

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And he wasn't hired. Sort of a variation on the "grass is always greener" outlook.

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More of a variation on "the backup QB should get more playing time"
While I would have liked to have seen DeCuire hired, there must be some reason he has not been lured away from Montana as yet. Maybe he'll replace Haas on the Farm...

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where will the AD end up after discovering 'that he needs more time to spend with his family'? deCuire was thge obvious hire, but, like so many people, the AD wanted be "his own man" and to show the world that he could land a terrific coach without getting input from Monty, et al. This has the potential to be the greatest blunder in Cal history. This is what happens when an AD with a Hockey background from the Air Force suddenly becomes the Ad at Cal. mike Williams.......please come back......all is forgiven. my admiration for Chancellor Crist has just dropped a couple of notches. if i weren't a grown man, i would start to cry. what the heck....I'm going to cry anyway.

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Decuire was the obvious hire? What was so obvious about it?

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1. He was cheap
2. Our most successful (recent) basketball coach endorsed him
3. He had some success as a lower level head coach

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3a. Some success, recruiting to Missoula = 3 Big Sky titles, 2 NCAA bids, 1 NIT bid
4. African American
5. Knows Cal, its culture and challenges
6. Has a recruiting network already established in LA and the Bay Area

Look, I am not saying Decuire was a no-brainer against the field. But he was v. Fox. And like OTB said, it's not Fox's fault, and I hope he can work a miracle here (judging by past performance, it's unlikely and esp. when he is a poor recruiter). But this is all on Knowlton, and now we are clearly seeing that he does not have the chops to be power conference AD.

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where will the AD end up after discovering 'that he needs more time to spend with his family'? deCuire was thge obvious hire, but, like so many people, the AD wanted be "his own man" and to show the world that he could land a terrific coach without getting input from Monty, et al. This has the potential to be the greatest blunder in Cal history. This is what happens when an AD with a Hockey background from the Air Force suddenly becomes the Ad at Cal. mike Williams.......please come back......all is forgiven. my admiration for Chancellor Crist has just dropped a couple of notches. if i weren't a grown man, i would start to cry. what the heck....I'm going to cry anyway.

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Decuire was the obvious hire? What was so obvious about it?

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I don't think he was necessarily THE obvious hire. He was AN obvious hire and made a helluva lot more sense than what we did. I looked at Decuire as baseline. I would have been happy with that hire and it seemed entirely achievable. If we went better, great. Going worse (much worse) was unacceptable.

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Yogi Bear said:

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where will the AD end up after discovering 'that he needs more time to spend with his family'? deCuire was thge obvious hire, but, like so many people, the AD wanted be "his own man" and to show the world that he could land a terrific coach without getting input from Monty, et al. This has the potential to be the greatest blunder in Cal history. This is what happens when an AD with a Hockey background from the Air Force suddenly becomes the Ad at Cal. mike Williams.......please come back......all is forgiven. my admiration for Chancellor Crist has just dropped a couple of notches. if i weren't a grown man, i would start to cry. what the heck....I'm going to cry anyway.

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Decuire was the obvious hire? What was so obvious about it?

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1. He was cheap
2. Our most successful (recent) basketball coach endorsed him
3. He had some success as a lower level head coach

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And he wasn't hired. Sort of a variation on the "grass is always greener" outlook.

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More of a variation on "the backup QB should get more playing time"
While I would have liked to have seen DeCuire hired, there must be some reason he has not been lured away from Montana as yet. Maybe he'll replace Haas on the Farm...

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I don't see why you say that. It's not like he has been at Montana for a long time. He's been there 5 years and it is his first head coach job.

Montgomery should refuse to be the color guy on any Cal games. The permanent guy should be Walton and his "breakfast of champions, Sorry I meant "conference of champions".

Montgomery should refuse to be the color guy on any Cal games. The permanent guy should be Walton and his "breakfast of champions, Sorry I meant "conference of champions".

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Travis is a friggin' legend on this board!!!!
Further proof of how bad Cal and PAC 12 are in basketball.

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He is compared to Cuonzo, Wyking and Fox.

KoreAmBear said:

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89Bear said:

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Travis is a friggin' legend on this board!!!!
Further proof of how bad Cal and PAC 12 are in basketball.

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He is compared to Cuonzo, Wyking and Fox.

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If you look at coaching records I believe both Fox and Cuonzo have outperformed Travis.
Heck, Cuonzo got a 4 seed in the tourney.

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where will the AD end up after discovering 'that he needs more time to spend with his family'? deCuire was thge obvious hire, but, like so many people, the AD wanted be "his own man" and to show the world that he could land a terrific coach without getting input from Monty, et al. This has the potential to be the greatest blunder in Cal history. This is what happens when an AD with a Hockey background from the Air Force suddenly becomes the Ad at Cal. mike Williams.......please come back......all is forgiven. my admiration for Chancellor Crist has just dropped a couple of notches. if i weren't a grown man, i would start to cry. what the heck....I'm going to cry anyway.

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Decuire was the obvious hire? What was so obvious about it?

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I don't think he was necessarily THE obvious hire. He was AN obvious hire and made a helluva lot more sense than what we did. I looked at Decuire as baseline. I would have been happy with that hire and it seemed entirely achievable. If we went better, great. Going worse (much worse) was unacceptable.

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This was obvious to many of us, without drawing Knowlton's salary and even without the benefit of a search firm.

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89Bear said:

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Travis is a friggin' legend on this board!!!!
Further proof of how bad Cal and PAC 12 are in basketball.

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He is compared to Cuonzo, Wyking and Fox.

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If you look at coaching records I believe both Fox and Cuonzo have outperformed Travis.
Heck, Cuonzo got a 4 seed in the tourney.

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Not really. For the talent Cuonzo he has had in his coaching career, he has under performed badly. How many games close games did he lose down the stretch with a team of NBA guys? You've heard the argument with Fox, yes he was kick ass at Nevada but there is Exhibit A (his 9 years at Georgia) he is not kick ass at a power conference. Cannot compare just straight up records in different settings with different resources.

KoreAmBear said:

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89Bear said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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89Bear said:

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Travis is a friggin' legend on this board!!!!
Further proof of how bad Cal and PAC 12 are in basketball.

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He is compared to Cuonzo, Wyking and Fox.

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If you look at coaching records I believe both Fox and Cuonzo have outperformed Travis.
Heck, Cuonzo got a 4 seed in the tourney.

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Not really. For the talent Cuonzo he has had in his coaching career, he has under performed badly. How many games close games did he lose down the stretch with a team of NBA guys? You've heard the argument with Fox, yes he was kick ass at Nevada but there is Exhibit A (his 9 years at Georgia) he is not kick ass at a power conference. Cannot compare just straight up records in different settings with different resources.

It can be argued his Nevada success was at least equal to, perhaps better than, Travis at Montana.
He had 9 years at a Power 5 football school, which Travis has not. You sure Travis would light the world on fire at Georgia.
With Cuonzo, I respect the fact that he could land an NBA-like roster. You absolutely sure Travis could bring guys like that in as a head coach of a program? You seem to make the assumption that Travis will enjoy success in a Power 5 conference.

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KoreAmBear said:

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89Bear said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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89Bear said:

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Travis is a friggin' legend on this board!!!!
Further proof of how bad Cal and PAC 12 are in basketball.

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He is compared to Cuonzo, Wyking and Fox.

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If you look at coaching records I believe both Fox and Cuonzo have outperformed Travis.
Heck, Cuonzo got a 4 seed in the tourney.

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Not really. For the talent Cuonzo he has had in his coaching career, he has under performed badly. How many games close games did he lose down the stretch with a team of NBA guys? You've heard the argument with Fox, yes he was kick ass at Nevada but there is Exhibit A (his 9 years at Georgia) he is not kick ass at a power conference. Cannot compare just straight up records in different settings with different resources.

It can be argued his Nevada success was at least equal to, perhaps better than, Travis at Montana.
He had 9 years at a Power 5 football school, which Travis has not. You sure Travis would light the world on fire at Georgia.
With Cuonzo, I respect the fact that he could land an NBA-like roster. You absolutely sure Travis could bring guys like that in as a head coach of a program? You seem to make the assumption that Travis will enjoy success in a Power 5 conference.

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Of course no one knows for sure. Your arguments are valid. I just hope we can salvage something for next season. Getting some of these guys in the portal to stay and maybe something huge like landing Brown -- would go a long way in reversing this tide of depression. Go Bears. *Sigh*

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With Cuonzo, I respect the fact that he could land an NBA-like roster.

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Personally, I don't want an NBA roster. I want a roster of good (4-star) players who plan to stay at Cal 4 years and graduate. I think after a few missteps Jones was well on the way to assembling such a roster. Unfortunately in just two weeks Fox has managed to set that back a year or two.

Equally important I want a coach who can get the most out of the players, both individually and as a team. I think that requires, among other things, relationship skills such as communication, motivation, flexibility, understanding, respect, etc. I'm on the outside but so far I have seen no evidence Fox is strong in these areas.

89Bear said:

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Travis is a friggin' legend on this board!!!!
Further proof of how bad Cal and PAC 12 are in basketball.

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Man how I wish this wasn't true.

Go Bears!

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While I would have liked to have seen DeCuire hired, there must be some reason he has not been lured away from Montana as yet.

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Maybe Montana is a better job than Cal.

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There's no maybe in this statement.

82gradDLSdad said:

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Yogi Bear said:

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helltopay1 said:

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where will the AD end up after discovering 'that he needs more time to spend with his family'? deCuire was thge obvious hire, but, like so many people, the AD wanted be "his own man" and to show the world that he could land a terrific coach without getting input from Monty, et al. This has the potential to be the greatest blunder in Cal history. This is what happens when an AD with a Hockey background from the Air Force suddenly becomes the Ad at Cal. mike Williams.......please come back......all is forgiven. my admiration for Chancellor Crist has just dropped a couple of notches. if i weren't a grown man, i would start to cry. what the heck....I'm going to cry anyway.

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Decuire was the obvious hire? What was so obvious about it?

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1. He was cheap
2. Our most successful (recent) basketball coach endorsed him
3. He had some success as a lower level head coach

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The same was all true of Russell Turner.

OaktownBear said:

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Yogi Bear said:

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helltopay1 said:

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where will the AD end up after discovering 'that he needs more time to spend with his family'? deCuire was thge obvious hire, but, like so many people, the AD wanted be "his own man" and to show the world that he could land a terrific coach without getting input from Monty, et al. This has the potential to be the greatest blunder in Cal history. This is what happens when an AD with a Hockey background from the Air Force suddenly becomes the Ad at Cal. mike Williams.......please come back......all is forgiven. my admiration for Chancellor Crist has just dropped a couple of notches. if i weren't a grown man, i would start to cry. what the heck....I'm going to cry anyway.

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Decuire was the obvious hire? What was so obvious about it?

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I don't think he was necessarily THE obvious hire. He was AN obvious hire and made a helluva lot more sense than what we did. I looked at Decuire as baseline. I would have been happy with that hire and it seemed entirely achievable. If we went better, great. Going worse (much worse) was unacceptable.

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If we want to say we'd rather have Decuire than Fox, I'm in line with that. However I'd rather have Mick Cronin than Decuire. Would Cronin have come here? No, but that's just to say that the field that we limited ourselves to didn't need to be the field.

And I still maintain that my guy was a way better choice than anybody on the common Cal wishlists and certainly better than Fox.

I can certainly say this for Jim Knowlton, he has certainly provided BearInsider with enough content to carry us through the off-season. So, thanks?

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I can certainly say this for Jim Knowlton, he has certainly provided BearInsider with enough content to carry us through the off-season. So, thanks?

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I wonder what he likes in his burritos?

He's indecisive when ordering and ends up settling for something middle menu.

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He's indecisive when ordering and ends up settling for something middle menu.

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Rice and beans, no meat. Definitely no guac.

Yogi Bear said:

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Rice and beans, no meat. Definitely no guac.

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Mild salsa. Or none. Let me think about that ...

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where will the AD end up after discovering 'that he needs more time to spend with his family'? deCuire was thge obvious hire, but, like so many people, the AD wanted be "his own man" and to show the world that he could land a terrific coach without getting input from Monty, et al. This has the potential to be the greatest blunder in Cal history. This is what happens when an AD with a Hockey background from the Air Force suddenly becomes the Ad at Cal. mike Williams.......please come back......all is forgiven. my admiration for Chancellor Crist has just dropped a couple of notches. if i weren't a grown man, i would start to cry. what the heck....I'm going to cry anyway.

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Decuire was the obvious hire? What was so obvious about it?

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I don't think he was necessarily THE obvious hire. He was AN obvious hire and made a helluva lot more sense than what we did. I looked at Decuire as baseline. I would have been happy with that hire and it seemed entirely achievable. If we went better, great. Going worse (much worse) was unacceptable.

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Exactly. I felt the same way when Monty retired and Decuire has only improved his status as a HC at Montana. He would have satisfied everyone.

Yogi Bear said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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Yogi Bear said:

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helltopay1 said:

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where will the AD end up after discovering 'that he needs more time to spend with his family'? deCuire was thge obvious hire, but, like so many people, the AD wanted be "his own man" and to show the world that he could land a terrific coach without getting input from Monty, et al. This has the potential to be the greatest blunder in Cal history. This is what happens when an AD with a Hockey background from the Air Force suddenly becomes the Ad at Cal. mike Williams.......please come back......all is forgiven. my admiration for Chancellor Crist has just dropped a couple of notches. if i weren't a grown man, i would start to cry. what the heck....I'm going to cry anyway.

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Decuire was the obvious hire? What was so obvious about it?

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1. He was cheap
2. Our most successful (recent) basketball coach endorsed him
3. He had some success as a lower level head coach

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The same was all true of Russell Turner.

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When they were brought up, Monty endorsed DeCuire.