The NBA is basically a stupid money circus. In the end the fans (or corporations) pick up the tab. The Warriors will bring more congestion to what is already a ****hole city. Besides the NBA is really boring.
concordtom said:I was just wondering how much it amounted to. Thxbearister said:
KD left $56 million on the table.
He left money on the table by leaving OKC for GS, and then again by signing short term deals.
It all adds up to a lot of dough, though less so after taxes.
caltagjohnson said:
The NBA is basically a stupid money circus. In the end the fans (or corporations) pick up the tab. The Warriors will bring more congestion to what is already a ****hole city. Besides the NBA is really boring.
caltagjohnson said:
The NBA is basically a stupid money circus. In the end the fans (or corporations) pick up the tab. The Warriors will bring more congestion to what is already a ****hole city. Besides the NBA is really boring.
Good grief.caltagjohnson said:
The NBA is basically a stupid money circus. In the end the fans (or corporations) pick up the tab. The Warriors will bring more congestion to what is already a ****hole city. Besides the NBA is really boring.
caltagjohnson said:
The NBA is basically a stupid money circus. In the end the fans (or corporations) pick up the tab. The Warriors will bring more congestion to what is already a ****hole city. Besides the NBA is really boring.
You play them on the court. Klay is 6-7, can easily qualify as a 3 in the NBA where its all about perimeter shooting.75bear said:
Warriors sign D'Angelo Russell and trade Andre Iguodala. Very weird to now have 3 max salary guards - how does that work? I realize Klay is out for the year, but how do you play all 3 when healthy?
RedlessWardrobe said:You play them on the court. Klay is 6-7, can easily qualify as a 3 in the NBA where its all about perimeter shooting.75bear said:
Warriors sign D'Angelo Russell and trade Andre Iguodala. Very weird to now have 3 max salary guards - how does that work? I realize Klay is out for the year, but how do you play all 3 when healthy?
Well put!gobears said:
KD is a generational player... when done, will be in discussion to be on basketball's Mount Rushmore.. but so is Steph.... Steph's ability to shoot the 3 better than any player who has shot a basketball is also a generational player.... and yes, will also be in disussion to be on basketball's Mount Rushmore... sure maybe at base looking up, but again, both have the skills and body of work to be considered.
Even with 2 finals MVP's.. the GSW were Steph's team before, during, and now after KD's departure...
that was a key reason KD decided to move on... he would always be "1B"...
The heated aurgument with Draymond even as the emotions cooled down... it was never forgotton by KD either... in the heat of the moment, the inner feelings are spoken...it is what it is.
I am glad KD signed with GSW and a key reason GSW has 2 rings and 3 finals... Did not want KD to move on... but sign back on to continue this great run... but it was his decision to go... I was a KD fan before he came to GSW, while at GSW, and will continue to be a fan of KD now that he has left.
Thanks for the 3 great years at GSW and deicison to come to GSW.
goGSW
goBears
Russell can't be traded until Dec 15. Those are basically the roster limitations.ColoradoBear said:
I'm replying to myself, but with the help of spotrac, I'm becoming a cap expert overnight...
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/cap/
With Russell, they are at $118.8 million for their top 4 players and have an additional guaranteed $6.23 million (Livinston is included at $2 million dead cap money unless they can trade him).
So that's ~$125 million.
They are also listing the the Russell trade as one involving Durant.
Luxury Tax kicks in at 132.6million and the apron (aka hard cap for the warriors) is 138.6 million.
Veteran min is around $1.6 million, so filling out the roster with all league min veterans is the only way to go forward.
Unless they trade Russell...
Would be interesting if they could get a couple of low $10 million/salary veterans in a trade, they regain the mid-level exception and sign another veteran at the tune of ~$ 8 million. (If I understand the rules correctly, the warriors technically have a mid level exception IF they are below the apron, but right now they can't spend it and fill out their roster with minumum salary).
Guess they have to trade Curry then! It's an ugly cap situation. Should just pull a Jed York and cash in at the new arena but cheap out and get under the lux tax level. It's too bad they couldn't win one more for the Town, but winning in SF will be tough.philbert said:Russell can't be traded until Dec 15. Those are basically the roster limitations.ColoradoBear said:
I'm replying to myself, but with the help of spotrac, I'm becoming a cap expert overnight...
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/cap/
With Russell, they are at $118.8 million for their top 4 players and have an additional guaranteed $6.23 million (Livinston is included at $2 million dead cap money unless they can trade him).
So that's ~$125 million.
They are also listing the the Russell trade as one involving Durant.
Luxury Tax kicks in at 132.6million and the apron (aka hard cap for the warriors) is 138.6 million.
Veteran min is around $1.6 million, so filling out the roster with all league min veterans is the only way to go forward.
Unless they trade Russell...
Would be interesting if they could get a couple of low $10 million/salary veterans in a trade, they regain the mid-level exception and sign another veteran at the tune of ~$ 8 million. (If I understand the rules correctly, the warriors technically have a mid level exception IF they are below the apron, but right now they can't spend it and fill out their roster with minumum salary).
They play Russell until Klay comes back, since they will need Russell to make the playoffs, then they trade him. Russell and Curry don't work together in the playoffs as neither is a good defender, but defense matter sless in the regular season. The trade I would like to see is Russell plus Draymond Green for something big.ColoradoBear said:Guess they have to trade Curry then! It's an ugly cap situation. Should just pull a Jed York and cash in at the new arena but cheap out and get under the lux tax level. It's too bad they couldn't win one more for the Town, but winning in SF will be tough.philbert said:Russell can't be traded until Dec 15. Those are basically the roster limitations.ColoradoBear said:
I'm replying to myself, but with the help of spotrac, I'm becoming a cap expert overnight...
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/cap/
With Russell, they are at $118.8 million for their top 4 players and have an additional guaranteed $6.23 million (Livinston is included at $2 million dead cap money unless they can trade him).
So that's ~$125 million.
They are also listing the the Russell trade as one involving Durant.
Luxury Tax kicks in at 132.6million and the apron (aka hard cap for the warriors) is 138.6 million.
Veteran min is around $1.6 million, so filling out the roster with all league min veterans is the only way to go forward.
Unless they trade Russell...
Would be interesting if they could get a couple of low $10 million/salary veterans in a trade, they regain the mid-level exception and sign another veteran at the tune of ~$ 8 million. (If I understand the rules correctly, the warriors technically have a mid level exception IF they are below the apron, but right now they can't spend it and fill out their roster with minumum salary).
Now if Russell actually plays above the contract value... does anyone foresee that?
sluggo said:They play Russell until Klay comes back, since they will need Russell to make the playoffs, then they trade him. Russell and Curry don't work together in the playoffs as neither is a good defender, but defense matter sless in the regular season. The trade I would like to see is Russell plus Draymond Green for something big.ColoradoBear said:Guess they have to trade Curry then! It's an ugly cap situation. Should just pull a Jed York and cash in at the new arena but cheap out and get under the lux tax level. It's too bad they couldn't win one more for the Town, but winning in SF will be tough.philbert said:Russell can't be traded until Dec 15. Those are basically the roster limitations.ColoradoBear said:
I'm replying to myself, but with the help of spotrac, I'm becoming a cap expert overnight...
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/cap/
With Russell, they are at $118.8 million for their top 4 players and have an additional guaranteed $6.23 million (Livinston is included at $2 million dead cap money unless they can trade him).
So that's ~$125 million.
They are also listing the the Russell trade as one involving Durant.
Luxury Tax kicks in at 132.6million and the apron (aka hard cap for the warriors) is 138.6 million.
Veteran min is around $1.6 million, so filling out the roster with all league min veterans is the only way to go forward.
Unless they trade Russell...
Would be interesting if they could get a couple of low $10 million/salary veterans in a trade, they regain the mid-level exception and sign another veteran at the tune of ~$ 8 million. (If I understand the rules correctly, the warriors technically have a mid level exception IF they are below the apron, but right now they can't spend it and fill out their roster with minumum salary).
Now if Russell actually plays above the contract value... does anyone foresee that?
In any case, I think getting Russell is great both as a Klay replacement and as a trading chip.
Sluggo
Yeah, that was the stupidest thing I ever heard a boss say.gobears said:
One more cannot put the toothpaste back in the tube:
Knowing KD is very sensitive... (leaving OKC, cupcake, etc) not the best comment when trying to make a joke on the parade stage... but again... it is what it is...
Plans to get KD began years before KD was a FA... next focus will be: 2021/Giannis.
goGSW
goBears
Good luck with that.sluggo said:
The trade I would like to see is Russell plus Draymond Green for something big.
Sluggo
The whole point is a max player for a max player. Kevin Love, Blake Griffith, DeMar Derozan, there are plenty of guys who don't fit in and might be available. Could be a free agent who they can sign-and-trade with in the summer, like the reverse of the Durant-Russell trade. It is all over the internet that Russell is temporary.75bear said:sluggo said:They play Russell until Klay comes back, since they will need Russell to make the playoffs, then they trade him. Russell and Curry don't work together in the playoffs as neither is a good defender, but defense matter sless in the regular season. The trade I would like to see is Russell plus Draymond Green for something big.ColoradoBear said:Guess they have to trade Curry then! It's an ugly cap situation. Should just pull a Jed York and cash in at the new arena but cheap out and get under the lux tax level. It's too bad they couldn't win one more for the Town, but winning in SF will be tough.philbert said:Russell can't be traded until Dec 15. Those are basically the roster limitations.ColoradoBear said:
I'm replying to myself, but with the help of spotrac, I'm becoming a cap expert overnight...
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/cap/
With Russell, they are at $118.8 million for their top 4 players and have an additional guaranteed $6.23 million (Livinston is included at $2 million dead cap money unless they can trade him).
So that's ~$125 million.
They are also listing the the Russell trade as one involving Durant.
Luxury Tax kicks in at 132.6million and the apron (aka hard cap for the warriors) is 138.6 million.
Veteran min is around $1.6 million, so filling out the roster with all league min veterans is the only way to go forward.
Unless they trade Russell...
Would be interesting if they could get a couple of low $10 million/salary veterans in a trade, they regain the mid-level exception and sign another veteran at the tune of ~$ 8 million. (If I understand the rules correctly, the warriors technically have a mid level exception IF they are below the apron, but right now they can't spend it and fill out their roster with minumum salary).
Now if Russell actually plays above the contract value... does anyone foresee that?
In any case, I think getting Russell is great both as a Klay replacement and as a trading chip.
Sluggo
It's not easy to trade max players because you need the salaries to match. As you approach an expiring max contract, there is often action. But how many max guys have been traded with 3 or more years remaining on their contract? I'm guessing the list isn't very big.
It doesn't make sense for Draymond to sign this summer. He would take a big pay cut over what he can get at the end of the season.concordtom said:
Does anyone know if the Ws can extend Draymond's contract in a way that enable them to loosen up room this summer to bring in yet more players (or simply resign kevon Looney, something which has been rumored to be in trouble due to lack of hard cap space)?
The guy I want for the Warriors is Ben Simmons. I think he could play the Draymond role better than Draymond and he is younger. And Philly is a bad shooting team where Simmons does not fit in. Plus Philly is trying to win right now and probably does not want to max Simmons. However, the trade does not work in terms of salaries. And maybe Green can't coexist with Horford and Embiid.concordtom said:Good luck with that.sluggo said:
The trade I would like to see is Russell plus Draymond Green for something big.
Sluggo
Draymond is in the last year of his contract, and by the time Klay comes back, he'll have another month or two.
Not much of a market. Unless they extend him now.
And it would seem to be 2 separate team trades rather than a combo pack.
And who would you think is going to be available in such a big trade, that makes sense for the warriors?
It's okay, you're dreaming and scheming. Doesn't have to make sense or be complete right now.
Current Lakers retired numbers, and the number of Finals MVPs on a Championship Team they won with the Lakers:oski003 said:
If the Lakers retired players' jerseys for winning 2 championships, there'd be no numbers left.
I could see him wanting to sign after seeing Durant and Thompson go down in consecutive games. While they were not hurt contractually, he would be. But whatever they signed him for would be a raise and thus would make the salary situation even worse (if that is possible).OaktownBear said:It doesn't make sense for Draymond to sign this summer. He would take a big pay cut over what he can get at the end of the season.concordtom said:
Does anyone know if the Ws can extend Draymond's contract in a way that enable them to loosen up room this summer to bring in yet more players (or simply resign kevon Looney, something which has been rumored to be in trouble due to lack of hard cap space)?
1. Yes the Warriors are in a bind on the cap, but they are doing everything they can to free up money to keep Looney. People are making a lot of assumptions about what they can and can't do.ClayK said:
Winning doesn't come cheaply ... in a lot of ways.
The system is purposely designed to bring the leaders back to the pack, and once again, it's working as designed. The Warriors are destined for several years on the margins, at the least. After all, there are 30 teams, and in an ideal world from the league's perspective, 28 teams would in titles before the Warriors and Raptors won again..
Presumably a healthy revenue stream and a well-above-average front office can get the Dubs back in the title hunt sooner than the law of averages suggest, but really, expecting another NBA title before 2030 or so is not only greedy, but really improbable.
Re 2: Before this trade, I wasn't sure if the Warriors had a playoff team next year, let alone a very good team like you argue. On paper, a playoff team, certainly. But, and I say this as a big Curry fan, I was concerned about the load the Klay injury would put on him for 82 games. He's tough, but he is small and he does get tired. And now he needs to carry a team to the playoffs with what other offensive firepower? It would have been bleak. So, I love the Russell move because it allows Curry to give some of that offensive burden to another star.OaktownBear said:1. Yes the Warriors are in a bind on the cap, but they are doing everything they can to free up money to keep Looney. People are making a lot of assumptions about what they can and can't do.ClayK said:
Winning doesn't come cheaply ... in a lot of ways.
The system is purposely designed to bring the leaders back to the pack, and once again, it's working as designed. The Warriors are destined for several years on the margins, at the least. After all, there are 30 teams, and in an ideal world from the league's perspective, 28 teams would in titles before the Warriors and Raptors won again..
Presumably a healthy revenue stream and a well-above-average front office can get the Dubs back in the title hunt sooner than the law of averages suggest, but really, expecting another NBA title before 2030 or so is not only greedy, but really improbable.
2. I have felt all along that the Warriors fans are spoiled by the super team phenomenon. They will have a really good team next year. If they find a way to keep Looney and if Klay is healthy by playoff time, they will challenge for a title next year. The difference is they will be one of 6 or so teams to challenge instead of being the clear favorite. I think there is an overreaction that comes from comparing them with what they were. They are still in good shape. My opinion is they are going to see if the line up works with Russell and if so, he is here long term. If not, they trade him next offseason. Personally, I like the lineup. Kerr needs to get to work.
3. Once I saw the slow motion replay of Durant's injury, I was hoping for a sign and trade. That isn't a tear. That is a complete rupture. He will come back a very good player, but he will not be what he was. His skill will remain, but his mobility won't. Investing in him for 5 years at supermax is a bad investment. I would have hated this move before the injury (or more specifically the necessity of the move) but after the injury, I think the Warriors are much better off than if Durant stayed.
oski003 said:
If the Lakers retired players' jerseys for winning 2 championships, there'd be no numbers left.
OaktownBear said:1. Yes the Warriors are in a bind on the cap, but they are doing everything they can to free up money to keep Looney. People are making a lot of assumptions about what they can and can't do.ClayK said:
Winning doesn't come cheaply ... in a lot of ways.
The system is purposely designed to bring the leaders back to the pack, and once again, it's working as designed. The Warriors are destined for several years on the margins, at the least. After all, there are 30 teams, and in an ideal world from the league's perspective, 28 teams would in titles before the Warriors and Raptors won again..
Presumably a healthy revenue stream and a well-above-average front office can get the Dubs back in the title hunt sooner than the law of averages suggest, but really, expecting another NBA title before 2030 or so is not only greedy, but really improbable.
2. I have felt all along that the Warriors fans are spoiled by the super team phenomenon. They will have a really good team next year. If they find a way to keep Looney and if Klay is healthy by playoff time, they will challenge for a title next year. The difference is they will be one of 6 or so teams to challenge instead of being the clear favorite. I think there is an overreaction that comes from comparing them with what they were. They are still in good shape. My opinion is they are going to see if the line up works with Russell and if so, he is here long term. If not, they trade him next offseason. Personally, I like the lineup. Kerr needs to get to work.
3. Once I saw the slow motion replay of Durant's injury, I was hoping for a sign and trade. That isn't a tear. That is a complete rupture. He will come back a very good player, but he will not be what he was. His skill will remain, but his mobility won't. Investing in him for 5 years at supermax is a bad investment. I would have hated this move before the injury (or more specifically the necessity of the move) but after the injury, I think the Warriors are much better off than if Durant stayed.