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Anyone who makes three threes in a game has the potential to be a decent shooter. I dont care how they went in.

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The part that scared me was after the first or second one, he said he "was really starting to feel it."

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Memo to Coach Fox: Offense will come and go but you can play good defense every game. Tighten up that f'ing D!

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I may be a victim of false advertising, but Fox came in a good defensive coach. Can't he coach "effort"?
I get that inexperienced guys are going to screw up....Well, coach them up.

We have at least two players (JHD and J. Brown ) who play aggressive D but can't shoot worth a damn....for now anyway. I'm for playing JHD more.....there are basically zero wings who have substantially more offensive skills than he does. As far Brown....he, apparently has no offensive skills right now. It's not like Paris does...in all reality. I'd like to be more optimistic but we're are totally screwed at PG. We aren't waiting for our REAL PG to come of the injured list.t So go with the really young guy who can be a disrupter. on D.

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Bradley is playing a wing on this team, isn't he? He has more offensive skills than JHD, I'd say, plenty more.

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I'll say this again. My main issue is those that do not seem to want any standard at all this year. I recognize the difficult job Fox walked into. I'm not saying we should be going to a tournament this year. I am saying you can tell when things are moving in a positive direction. This team needs to show some improvement. We need to keep our key players from transferring. I know some people don't like talking about odds of recruits at a certain level succeeding, but I'll say again, our best recruit is our best player and neither the freshmen or the next class are rated close to him. That needs to change and if it doesn't it is fair of detractors to say the talent level is not likely to get us to the next level as a team. He absolutely may surprise me. My issue is that there are others that have set zero standard. It is not possible for him to do anything to surprise them in the negative because they are literally expecting nothing from him.

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My simple response is this. Did Steve Kerr get really dumb in a year or did he lose nearly all of his top talent to injury or departure?

Subsequent to Fox's hire, three players transferred. Those slots have been filled, but not by guys that are as good as the ones who left. Therefore, there is a serious talent shortage on this year's team.

Additionally, the first recruiting class looks uninspiring, to say the least right now.

I do want to see improvement from the existing players, whatever their talent level, but we probably won't know how extensive that was until the end of the year.

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Cyrus....the lack of good recruiting was my main concern with Fox from the start.....If he can't recruit higher level talent, Cal will never win enough to satisfy me...as Oaktown has said over and over, if you don't have the higher ranked players, you're not going to sustain any satisfactory level of performance....Maybe this is why Fox seems to have hit his ceiling....He hasn't shown the ability to recruit high level talent consistently anywhere he has been.....

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What is the point of us continuing to trash Fox's recruiting? Fox has been at two schools prior to Cal. He has recruited a few high level recruits, but not a lot. Neither Nevada or Georgia is a basketball school with any kind of basketball reputation or history worth talking much about. Not compared to Cal's history. Did you ever consider those schools may be hard to recruit high level recruits to, since other coaches tried and did not recruit a steady stream of highly rated recruits. Neither school is UCLA or Arizona. Maybe Fox can do better with all the things Cal has to offer a player or a student.

Are you already saying he is not bringing in high level recruits at Cal? Many fans do seem to be saying that, or implying it, without seeming to consider the short recruiting season Fox had to work with. Most first year coaches have to deal with this. Their predecessor gets fired or leaves at the end of March, and the earliest the new coach can take over and start looking for recruits is at the end of March. He then has two months of spring and three months of summer to sign recruits, while most of the high level recruits have already been signed. Isn't it rare that a new coach will sign high level recruits in this short recruiting period, no matter what school we are talking about?

Once upon a time Cal fired a coach and hired an up and coming coach, who had just been to a sweet 16, who was reputed to be a good recruiter. He had near full support of the fan base. That coach started at Cal in the middle of April. He had 4 months or so to recruit a class. He signed a recruiting class of Kingsley Okoroh, Brandon Chauca, and Dwight Tarwater. And you can count transfer Stephen Dominigo who had to sit out the coming season, Brandon Glapion, and Cole Welle as part of that class.

In my opinion Fox's first class is better than that class of Cuonzo Martin. Any way you look at it, Fox's class is better than Martin's first class, IMO. Okoroh was a project, very slow, very little athleticism, and no basketball skills, except a decent sense of how and when to block a shot. Chauca was barely a Division 2 or 3 point guard. Tarwater was slow as a turtle. He made one nice shot to win a game, and that is all he did that I can remember. Domingo was Martin's one high level recruit, but a very low level player, who had no offensive skills at all. He was an example of what makes me skeptical about placing all our eggs in the basket of highly rated recruits. He was one who never helped his team. The only player in that class who helped his team at all was Okoroh, and he helped only a little, IMO. I like Thiemann better than I liked Okoroh. He played better in his first preseason than KO played in his, and he already has some skills and moves. Not much, but he is 18. In a couple of years he will be decent, IMO. I think South is better than Chauca by miles. Many miles. Brown has little offensive skill, but looks about equal ot Chauca, and is already a much better defender than Chauca. I'd rather have South than Domingo. The question remains as to whether Kuany and Thorpe are better than Tarwater. I personally think they both may still be hampered by injury. They missed plenty of practice and a few games, so they are behind. Whether they are better than Tarwater or Domingo is a valid question. It is a low bar they have to shoot for. And we must remember that Tarwater was a senior and Domingo a junior when they began play at Cal, while Kuany and Thorpe are freshmen. Not yet a fair comparison

My question is where were all the boo-birds when Cuonzo announced his first class? There were a couple of comments, but not like the many we are hearing now about our current class and current coach. Why wasn't Fox given some slack for not naming a great recruiting class, like Cuonzo was, for naming an even weaker class than Fox did?

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bearmanpg said:

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I'll say this again. My main issue is those that do not seem to want any standard at all this year. I recognize the difficult job Fox walked into. I'm not saying we should be going to a tournament this year. I am saying you can tell when things are moving in a positive direction. This team needs to show some improvement. We need to keep our key players from transferring. I know some people don't like talking about odds of recruits at a certain level succeeding, but I'll say again, our best recruit is our best player and neither the freshmen or the next class are rated close to him. That needs to change and if it doesn't it is fair of detractors to say the talent level is not likely to get us to the next level as a team. He absolutely may surprise me. My issue is that there are others that have set zero standard. It is not possible for him to do anything to surprise them in the negative because they are literally expecting nothing from him.

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My simple response is this. Did Steve Kerr get really dumb in a year or did he lose nearly all of his top talent to injury or departure?

Subsequent to Fox's hire, three players transferred. Those slots have been filled, but not by guys that are as good as the ones who left. Therefore, there is a serious talent shortage on this year's team.

Additionally, the first recruiting class looks uninspiring, to say the least right now.

I do want to see improvement from the existing players, whatever their talent level, but we probably won't know how extensive that was until the end of the year.

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Cyrus....the lack of good recruiting was my main concern with Fox from the start.....If he can't recruit higher level talent, Cal will never win enough to satisfy me...as Oaktown has said over and over, if you don't have the higher ranked players, you're not going to sustain any satisfactory level of performance....Maybe this is why Fox seems to have hit his ceiling....He hasn't shown the ability to recruit high level talent consistently anywhere he has been.....

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What is the point of us continuing to trash Fox's recruiting? Fox has been at two schools prior to Cal. He has recruited a few high level recruits, but not a lot. Neither Nevada or Georgia is a basketball school with any kind of basketball reputation or history worth talking much about. Not compared to Cal's history. Did you ever consider those schools may be hard to recruit high level recruits to, since other coaches tried and did not recruit a steady stream of highly rated recruits. Neither school is UCLA or Arizona. Maybe Fox can do better with all the things Cal has to offer a player or a student.

Are you already saying he is not bringing in high level recruits at Cal? Many fans do seem to be saying that, or implying it, without seeming to consider the short recruiting season Fox had to work with. Most first year coaches have to deal with this. Their predecessor gets fired or leaves at the end of March, and the earliest the new coach can take over and start looking for recruits is at the end of March. He then has two months of spring and three months of summer to sign recruits, while most of the high level recruits have already been signed. Isn't it rare that a new coach will sign high level recruits in this short recruiting period, no matter what school we are talking about?

Once upon a time Cal fired a coach and hired an up and coming coach, who had just been to a sweet 16, who was reputed to be a good recruiter. He had near full support of the fan base. That coach started at Cal in the middle of April. He had 4 months or so to recruit a class. He signed a recruiting class of Kingsley Okoroh, Brandon Chauca, and Dwight Tarwater. And you can count transfer Stephen Dominigo who had to sit out the coming season, Brandon Glapion, and Cole Welle as part of that class.

In my opinion Fox's first class is better than that class of Cuonzo Martin. Any way you look at it, Fox's class is better than Martin's first class, IMO. Okoroh was a project, very slow, very little athleticism, and no basketball skills, except a decent sense of how and when to block a shot. Chauca was barely a Division 2 or 3 point guard. Tarwater was slow as a turtle. He made one nice shot to win a game, and that is all he did that I can remember. Domingo was Martin's one high level recruit, but a very low level player, who had no offensive skills at all. He was an example of what makes me skeptical about placing all our eggs in the basket of highly rated recruits. He was one who never helped his team. The only player in that class who helped his team at all was Okoroh, and he helped only a little, IMO. I like Thiemann better than I liked Okoroh. He played better in his first preseason than KO played in his, and he already has some skills and moves. Not much, but he is 18. In a couple of years he will be decent, IMO. I think South is better than Chauca by miles. Many miles. Brown has little offensive skill, but looks about equal ot Chauca, and is already a much better defender than Chauca. I'd rather have South than Domingo. The question remains as to whether Kuany and Thorpe are better than Tarwater. I personally think they both may still be hampered by injury. They missed plenty of practice and a few games, so they are behind. Whether they are better than Tarwater or Domingo is a valid question. It is a low bar they have to shoot for. And we must remember that Tarwater was a senior and Domingo a junior when they began play at Cal, while Kuany and Thorpe are freshmen. Not yet a fair comparison

My question is where were all the boo-birds when Cuonzo announced his first class? There were a couple of comments, but not like the many we are hearing now about our current class and current coach. Why wasn't Fox given some slack for not naming a great recruiting class, like Cuonzo was, for naming an even weaker class than Fox did?

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Georgia brought in the #10 class in the country this year (the first full year after Fox) according to Scout: https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Season/2019-Basketball/Commits/

One 5 star plus four 4 star players?

5 star Anthony Edwards out of Atlanta was the #1 SG and #2 prospect overall.

They also had good recruits and good NCAA results under Toby Smith and Jim Herrick.

Atlanta produces more college players and future NBA talent than any other city in the SEC footprint.

Fox's reputation as a poor recruiter, especially at Georgia, cannot be blamed on Georgia. For coaches who coached there since the ending of segregation he was more the exception actually.

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Once upon a time Cal fired a coach and hired an up and coming coach, who had just been to a sweet 16, who was reputed to be a good recruiter. He had near full support of the fan base. That coach started at Cal in the middle of April. He had 4 months or so to recruit a class. He signed a recruiting class of Kingsley Okoroh, Brandon Chauca, and Dwight Tarwater. And you can count transfer Stephen Dominigo who had to sit out the coming season, Brandon Glapion, and Cole Welle as part of that class.

In my opinion Fox's first class is better than that class of Cuonzo Martin. Any way you look at it, Fox's class is better than Martin's first class, IMO. Okoroh was a project, very slow, very little athleticism, and no basketball skills, except a decent sense of how and when to block a shot. Chauca was barely a Division 2 or 3 point guard. Tarwater was slow as a turtle. He made one nice shot to win a game, and that is all he did that I can remember. Domingo was Martin's one high level recruit, but a very low level player, who had no offensive skills at all. He was an example of what makes me skeptical about placing all our eggs in the basket of highly rated recruits. He was one who never helped his team. The only player in that class who helped his team at all was Okoroh, and he helped only a little, IMO. I like Thiemann better than I liked Okoroh. He played better in his first preseason than KO played in his, and he already has some skills and moves. Not much, but he is 18. In a couple of years he will be decent, IMO. I think South is better than Chauca by miles. Many miles. Brown has little offensive skill, but looks about equal ot Chauca, and is already a much better defender than Chauca. I'd rather have South than Domingo. The question remains as to whether Kuany and Thorpe are better than Tarwater. I personally think they both may still be hampered by injury. They missed plenty of practice and a few games, so they are behind. Whether they are better than Tarwater or Domingo is a valid question. It is a low bar they have to shoot for. And we must remember that Tarwater was a senior and Domingo a junior when they began play at Cal, while Kuany and Thorpe are freshmen. Not yet a fair comparison

My question is where were all the boo-birds when Cuonzo announced his first class? There were a couple of comments, but not like the many we are hearing now about our current class and current coach. Why wasn't Fox given some slack for not naming a great recruiting class, like Cuonzo was, for naming an even weaker class than Fox did?

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I believe you might want to check when Brown and Thorpe actually signed

https://bearinsider.com/s/908/brown-and-coach-talk-about-commitment-to-cal
https://bearinsider.com/s/884/cal-lands-a-much-needed-big-in-the-2019-class

Brown was pivotal in the signing of fellow Canadian South. South also saw the real value in an MPH. That had as much or more to do with his recruitment than, arguably, Fox did,

Question: Did Fox actually "recruit" these three?

HAPPY NEW DECADE!

Happy New Year, SFCB. I agree that Lars is better than KO but I think the difference is even greater than you state....and Brown is exponentially better than Chauca.

SFCity: Curious why you like Thiemann better than Okoroh. To me, as a freshman they are and were both very raw. But Okoroh seemed to have a better touch and was much stronger defensively. He progressed decently during his 4 years. Like to hear your comments.

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Memo to Coach Fox: Offense will come and go but you can play good defense every game. Tighten up that f'ing D!

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I may be a victim of false advertising, but Fox came in a good defensive coach. Can't he coach "effort"?
I get that inexperienced guys are going to screw up....Well, coach them up.

We have at least two players (JHD and J. Brown ) who play aggressive D but can't shoot worth a damn....for now anyway. I'm for playing JHD more.....there are basically zero wings who have substantially more offensive skills than he does. As far Brown....he, apparently has no offensive skills right now. It's not like Paris does...in all reality. I'd like to be more optimistic but we're are totally screwed at PG. We aren't waiting for our REAL PG to come of the injured list.t So go with the really young guy who can be a disrupter. on D.

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Bradley is playing a wing on this team, isn't he? He has more offensive skills than JHD, I'd say, plenty more.

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I confessed to that particular crime several posts back

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Good point.

Under normal circumstances, I'd say...both.

But CAL is not "normal" right now. My bad, I considered Bradley and South as givens...and sometimes South shows up and sometimes he fades into the background. Another grad-transfer like Grant Mullins would help He was consistent. Also, both he and, apparently South, know the value of an MPH

Thay leaves who? Off the top Cobi (could have been good but it looks like his injury was too much), and Klonaras (I, dumbly, thought he had an upside). Actually maybe he does. Something we may take for granted about international players is that their English is up to game-speed...if you go back to the first interview with Lars, it's quite clear his English was not there....yet. Uh, Erving? Damned if I know....but I'll go with NOT.

So, I'd play JHD.

Please give feedback.

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I would give Brown, Bradley, South, Grant, and Kelly the bulk of the minutes (28-30)

I would sub in JHD here and there for defensive purposes if there was a particular player that I wanted to focus on in one on one defense. Otherwise, his inability to shoot shrinks the floor to much. At minimum, you cannot play him without two of Bradley, South, and Grant out there because there have to be *some* shooters with him.

I would run constant pick and roll/pick and pops with the PG and Grant/Kelly. Either have them pop out to an open space for a jumper or roll to the hoop depending on what the defense is doing. Weak side should screen for each other to get an open look at the top of the key or cut to the hoop if there's an opening. Team is terrible at setting and using screens effectively offensively right now. Tell Brown that he either has to take an open mid-range or go all the way to the basket if they don't switch or fight through the screen to get to him, otherwise,reverse the ball immediately.

Play Thorpe, Klonaras, and Kuany in small stints every game just to get them a little game action. The number of wins doesn't matter this year.

Play Austin in small doses to rest Brown, but give 65% of the PG minutes to Brown. He needs the development and Paris is done developing.

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I definitely agree with most of this, especially regarding the rotation, although I might accept more time for JHD depending on match-ups.

If they are to run constant pick and roll, pick and pop, they need to radically improve how it is run. In the first place, neither Grant, nor Andre consistently set effective screens. Secondly, too often, the screener rolls to the same place the PG is driving, thus effectively clogging the lane. I have seen very few pick an pops, even though both Kelly and Anticevich have shown that they can hit the jumper. I think PnR might work best with South, who has a nice mid-range game. I actually think motion with multiple off-ball screens (run Bradley Grant, and Kareem through double screens to get open looks at a 3) may be an effective tactic. Relying on dribble penetration is a problem with two point guards who can''t dish or finish reliably (as they seem to be doing a lot now) is a recipe for bad offense.

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SFCity: Curious why you like Thiemann better than Okoroh. To me, as a freshman they are and were both very raw. But Okoroh seemed to have a better touch and was much stronger defensively. He progressed decently during his 4 years. Like to hear your comments.

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Very detailed SFCB analysis of Lars in this thread:

Cal v Texas breakdown | Bear Insider


http://bearinsider.com/forums/3/topics/92359
https://bearinsider.com/forums/3/topics/92359/1#discussion

I'd rate Fox's spring 2019 recruiting as OK. The circumstances were not good and he filled immediate needs for rotation and practice players. No high-major impact players but it's too early for me to judge how the 3 freshmen will develop in the long run.

I'm not pleased with Fox's fall 2019 recruiting. It's possible these 2 players are better than their ratings or will develop, but I'm not confident either will be a significant contributor right away. Also he has yet to recruit another PG or C, both urgent needs.

So to date Fox has recruited 5 players who might each stay 4 years. Unless he expects further attrition that doesn't leave many scholarships for the kind of players we need to become competitive in the conference.

Look for more Grad Transfers. Just a hunch.

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Look for more Grad Transfers. Just a hunch.

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The problem is that this is such a challenge for Cal. You have limited programs that take athletes (public health the big one) that is a pretty specialized degree for a kid to want to pursue in their early 20s. You are not going to a proven winner so as to offer you the option of showcasing your wares. It works for Ivy guys because of their rules. But generally speaking this is NOT a route for Cal (one of the multitude of ways that we play on an uneven playing field.)....now Nike U.....

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Memo to Coach Fox: Offense will come and go but you can play good defense every game. Tighten up that f'ing D!

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I may be a victim of false advertising, but Fox came in a good defensive coach. Can't he coach "effort"?
I get that inexperienced guys are going to screw up....Well, coach them up.

We have at least two players (JHD and J. Brown ) who play aggressive D but can't shoot worth a damn....for now anyway. I'm for playing JHD more.....there are basically zero wings who have substantially more offensive skills than he does. As far Brown....he, apparently has no offensive skills right now. It's not like Paris does...in all reality. I'd like to be more optimistic but we're are totally screwed at PG. We aren't waiting for our REAL PG to come of the injured list.t So go with the really young guy who can be a disrupter. on D.

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Bradley is playing a wing on this team, isn't he? He has more offensive skills than JHD, I'd say, plenty more.

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I confessed to that particular crime several posts back

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Sorry,, I apologize. I confess I don't read every single post on the Forum.

Happy New Year.

Totally agree

Sports mgmt is a huge and growing field. It's as legit as entrepreneurship and a real career option for many students

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Look for more Grad Transfers. Just a hunch.

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The problem is that this is such a challenge for Cal. You have limited programs that take athletes (public health the big one) that is a pretty specialized degree for a kid to want to pursue in their early 20s. You are not going to a proven winner so as to offer you the option of showcasing your wares. It works for Ivy guys because of their rules. But generally speaking this is NOT a route for Cal (one of the multitude of ways that we play on an uneven playing field.)....now Nike U.....

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One great improvement would be the addition of a sports management degree, something that has been talked about but nothing beyond the talking stage yet.

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One great improvement would be the addition of a sports management degree, something that has been talked about but nothing beyond the talking stage yet.

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Who's talking? Just BI or also university academic people?

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One great improvement would be the addition of a sports management degree, something that has been talked about but nothing beyond the talking stage yet.

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Who's talking? Just BI or also university academic people?

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Some administration types.

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One great improvement would be the addition of a sports management degree, something that has been talked about but nothing beyond the talking stage yet.

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Who's talking? Just BI or also university academic people?

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Thanks. Sounds good to me.

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Sorry,, I apologize. I confess I don't read every single post on the Forum.

Happy New Year.

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What??? It's required reading.

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The way the forum is swinging, it won't be long before Fox won't get credit for anything, just like his predecessor. We are a hard lot to please.

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And we should be! If I spend a lot of money for a world class meal, I don't brush it aside if the restaurant had a bad day - do you? If you buy a new car, are you pleased if only three of the four wheels functions properly? CalmBball is no longer a low cost diversion from campus stress and alumni memories. It's big business entertainment and all of the participants (coaches, students, Ath Dept) are part of it, much more than they are students, professors or campus administrators.

Back when Pete Newell was coach, I doubt he was one of the highest two paid employees on Campus (the other being the Football coach). Furthermore, the vast majority of players were not national celebrities in their teens (outside of some local support). With the money involved (a not insignificant portion of my personal wealth included), fans should expect a lot and be hard to please. If it was all toned down to even the level of the 80's, I'd be behind the 'give them 5 years' approach. But it simply is so far from that to maintain the same level of scrutiny that seemed fine 20, 30, 60 years ago.

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The way the forum is swinging, it won't be long before Fox won't get credit for anything, just like his predecessor. We are a hard lot to please.

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And we should be! If I spend a lot of money for a world class meal, I don't brush it aside if the restaurant had a bad day - do you? If you buy a new car, are you pleased if only three of the four wheels functions properly? CalmBball is no longer a low cost diversion from campus stress and alumni memories. It's big business entertainment and all of the participants (coaches, students, Ath Dept) are part of it, much more than they are students, professors or campus administrators.

Back when Pete Newell was coach, I doubt he was one of the highest two paid employees on Campus (the other being the Football coach). Furthermore, the vast majority of players were not national celebrities in their teens (outside of some local support). With the money involved (a not insignificant portion of my personal wealth included), fans should expect a lot and be hard to please. If it was all toned down to even the level of the 80's, I'd be behind the 'give them 5 years' approach. But it simply is so far from that to maintain the same level of scrutiny that seemed fine 20, 30, 60 years ago.

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Good points. I got a chuckle about you calling our basketball team "CalmBball". I know you meant "Cal Men's Basketball", but when I read it, it sounded like "Calm Men's B Ball". Our team was anything but calm against Stanford. We looked like a bunch of Nervous Nellies out there, IMO.

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The way the forum is swinging, it won't be long before Fox won't get credit for anything, just like his predecessor. We are a hard lot to please.

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And we should be! If I spend a lot of money for a world class meal, I don't brush it aside if the restaurant had a bad day - do you? If you buy a new car, are you pleased if only three of the four wheels functions properly? CalmBball is no longer a low cost diversion from campus stress and alumni memories. It's big business entertainment and all of the participants (coaches, students, Ath Dept) are part of it, much more than they are students, professors or campus administrators.

Back when Pete Newell was coach, I doubt he was one of the highest two paid employees on Campus (the other being the Football coach). Furthermore, the vast majority of players were not national celebrities in their teens (outside of some local support). With the money involved (a not insignificant portion of my personal wealth included), fans should expect a lot and be hard to please. If it was all toned down to even the level of the 80's, I'd be behind the 'give them 5 years' approach. But it simply is so far from that to maintain the same level of scrutiny that seemed fine 20, 30, 60 years ago.

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Good points. I got a chuckle about you calling our basketball team "CalmBball". I know you meant "Cal Men's Basketball", but when I read it, it sounded like "Calm Men's B Ball". Our team was anything but calm against Stanford. We looked like a bunch of Nervous Nellies out there, IMO.

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FYI, Calmbb is the programs official twitter handle.

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SFCityBear said:

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The way the forum is swinging, it won't be long before Fox won't get credit for anything, just like his predecessor. We are a hard lot to please.

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And we should be! If I spend a lot of money for a world class meal, I don't brush it aside if the restaurant had a bad day - do you? If you buy a new car, are you pleased if only three of the four wheels functions properly? CalmBball is no longer a low cost diversion from campus stress and alumni memories. It's big business entertainment and all of the participants (coaches, students, Ath Dept) are part of it, much more than they are students, professors or campus administrators.

Back when Pete Newell was coach, I doubt he was one of the highest two paid employees on Campus (the other being the Football coach). Furthermore, the vast majority of players were not national celebrities in their teens (outside of some local support). With the money involved (a not insignificant portion of my personal wealth included), fans should expect a lot and be hard to please. If it was all toned down to even the level of the 80's, I'd be behind the 'give them 5 years' approach. But it simply is so far from that to maintain the same level of scrutiny that seemed fine 20, 30, 60 years ago.

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Good points. I got a chuckle about you calling our basketball team "CalmBball". I know you meant "Cal Men's Basketball", but when I read it, it sounded like "Calm Men's B Ball". Our team was anything but calm against Stanford. We looked like a bunch of Nervous Nellies out there, IMO.

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FYI, Calmbb is the programs official twitter handle.

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Thanks. Ignorance is bliss, but not here. I'm forever playing catchup to you young fans.

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SFCityBear said:

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The way the forum is swinging, it won't be long before Fox won't get credit for anything, just like his predecessor. We are a hard lot to please.

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And we should be! If I spend a lot of money for a world class meal, I don't brush it aside if the restaurant had a bad day - do you? If you buy a new car, are you pleased if only three of the four wheels functions properly? CalmBball is no longer a low cost diversion from campus stress and alumni memories. It's big business entertainment and all of the participants (coaches, students, Ath Dept) are part of it, much more than they are students, professors or campus administrators.

Back when Pete Newell was coach, I doubt he was one of the highest two paid employees on Campus (the other being the Football coach). Furthermore, the vast majority of players were not national celebrities in their teens (outside of some local support). With the money involved (a not insignificant portion of my personal wealth included), fans should expect a lot and be hard to please. If it was all toned down to even the level of the 80's, I'd be behind the 'give them 5 years' approach. But it simply is so far from that to maintain the same level of scrutiny that seemed fine 20, 30, 60 years ago.

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Good points. I got a chuckle about you calling our basketball team "CalmBball". I know you meant "Cal Men's Basketball", but when I read it, it sounded like "Calm Men's B Ball". Our team was anything but calm against Stanford. We looked like a bunch of Nervous Nellies out there, IMO.

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FYI, Calmbb is the programs official twitter handle.

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Thanks. Ignorance is bliss, but not here. I'm forever playing catchup to you young fans.

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I love that someone is referring to Ursa and myself as young

BeachedBear said:

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SFCityBear said:

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UrsaMajor said:

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SFCityBear said:

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BeachedBear said:

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The way the forum is swinging, it won't be long before Fox won't get credit for anything, just like his predecessor. We are a hard lot to please.

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And we should be! If I spend a lot of money for a world class meal, I don't brush it aside if the restaurant had a bad day - do you? If you buy a new car, are you pleased if only three of the four wheels functions properly? CalmBball is no longer a low cost diversion from campus stress and alumni memories. It's big business entertainment and all of the participants (coaches, students, Ath Dept) are part of it, much more than they are students, professors or campus administrators.

Back when Pete Newell was coach, I doubt he was one of the highest two paid employees on Campus (the other being the Football coach). Furthermore, the vast majority of players were not national celebrities in their teens (outside of some local support). With the money involved (a not insignificant portion of my personal wealth included), fans should expect a lot and be hard to please. If it was all toned down to even the level of the 80's, I'd be behind the 'give them 5 years' approach. But it simply is so far from that to maintain the same level of scrutiny that seemed fine 20, 30, 60 years ago.

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Good points. I got a chuckle about you calling our basketball team "CalmBball". I know you meant "Cal Men's Basketball", but when I read it, it sounded like "Calm Men's B Ball". Our team was anything but calm against Stanford. We looked like a bunch of Nervous Nellies out there, IMO.

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FYI, Calmbb is the programs official twitter handle.

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Thanks. Ignorance is bliss, but not here. I'm forever playing catchup to you young fans.

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I love that someone is referring to Ursa and myself as young

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Hey, I got told I was in diapers a couple weeks ago.

OaktownBear said:

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BeachedBear said:

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SFCityBear said:

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UrsaMajor said:

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SFCityBear said:

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BeachedBear said:

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The way the forum is swinging, it won't be long before Fox won't get credit for anything, just like his predecessor. We are a hard lot to please.

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And we should be! If I spend a lot of money for a world class meal, I don't brush it aside if the restaurant had a bad day - do you? If you buy a new car, are you pleased if only three of the four wheels functions properly? CalmBball is no longer a low cost diversion from campus stress and alumni memories. It's big business entertainment and all of the participants (coaches, students, Ath Dept) are part of it, much more than they are students, professors or campus administrators.

Back when Pete Newell was coach, I doubt he was one of the highest two paid employees on Campus (the other being the Football coach). Furthermore, the vast majority of players were not national celebrities in their teens (outside of some local support). With the money involved (a not insignificant portion of my personal wealth included), fans should expect a lot and be hard to please. If it was all toned down to even the level of the 80's, I'd be behind the 'give them 5 years' approach. But it simply is so far from that to maintain the same level of scrutiny that seemed fine 20, 30, 60 years ago.

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Good points. I got a chuckle about you calling our basketball team "CalmBball". I know you meant "Cal Men's Basketball", but when I read it, it sounded like "Calm Men's B Ball". Our team was anything but calm against Stanford. We looked like a bunch of Nervous Nellies out there, IMO.

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FYI, Calmbb is the programs official twitter handle.

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Thanks. Ignorance is bliss, but not here. I'm forever playing catchup to you young fans.

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I love that someone is referring to Ursa and myself as young

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Hey, I got told I was in diapers a couple weeks ago.

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That could be construed as young or... not so young.

BeachedBear said:

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SFCityBear said:

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UrsaMajor said:

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SFCityBear said:

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BeachedBear said:

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SFCityBear said:

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The way the forum is swinging, it won't be long before Fox won't get credit for anything, just like his predecessor. We are a hard lot to please.

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And we should be! If I spend a lot of money for a world class meal, I don't brush it aside if the restaurant had a bad day - do you? If you buy a new car, are you pleased if only three of the four wheels functions properly? CalmBball is no longer a low cost diversion from campus stress and alumni memories. It's big business entertainment and all of the participants (coaches, students, Ath Dept) are part of it, much more than they are students, professors or campus administrators.

Back when Pete Newell was coach, I doubt he was one of the highest two paid employees on Campus (the other being the Football coach). Furthermore, the vast majority of players were not national celebrities in their teens (outside of some local support). With the money involved (a not insignificant portion of my personal wealth included), fans should expect a lot and be hard to please. If it was all toned down to even the level of the 80's, I'd be behind the 'give them 5 years' approach. But it simply is so far from that to maintain the same level of scrutiny that seemed fine 20, 30, 60 years ago.

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Good points. I got a chuckle about you calling our basketball team "CalmBball". I know you meant "Cal Men's Basketball", but when I read it, it sounded like "Calm Men's B Ball". Our team was anything but calm against Stanford. We looked like a bunch of Nervous Nellies out there, IMO.

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FYI, Calmbb is the programs official twitter handle.

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Thanks. Ignorance is bliss, but not here. I'm forever playing catchup to you young fans.

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I love that someone is referring to Ursa and myself as young

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Just an attempt to interject a little humor. It was done entirely out of respect for you both.

dimitrig said:

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OaktownBear said:

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BeachedBear said:

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SFCityBear said:

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UrsaMajor said:

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SFCityBear said:

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BeachedBear said:

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SFCityBear said:

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The way the forum is swinging, it won't be long before Fox won't get credit for anything, just like his predecessor. We are a hard lot to please.

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And we should be! If I spend a lot of money for a world class meal, I don't brush it aside if the restaurant had a bad day - do you? If you buy a new car, are you pleased if only three of the four wheels functions properly? CalmBball is no longer a low cost diversion from campus stress and alumni memories. It's big business entertainment and all of the participants (coaches, students, Ath Dept) are part of it, much more than they are students, professors or campus administrators.

Back when Pete Newell was coach, I doubt he was one of the highest two paid employees on Campus (the other being the Football coach). Furthermore, the vast majority of players were not national celebrities in their teens (outside of some local support). With the money involved (a not insignificant portion of my personal wealth included), fans should expect a lot and be hard to please. If it was all toned down to even the level of the 80's, I'd be behind the 'give them 5 years' approach. But it simply is so far from that to maintain the same level of scrutiny that seemed fine 20, 30, 60 years ago.

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Good points. I got a chuckle about you calling our basketball team "CalmBball". I know you meant "Cal Men's Basketball", but when I read it, it sounded like "Calm Men's B Ball". Our team was anything but calm against Stanford. We looked like a bunch of Nervous Nellies out there, IMO.

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FYI, Calmbb is the programs official twitter handle.

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Thanks. Ignorance is bliss, but not here. I'm forever playing catchup to you young fans.

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I love that someone is referring to Ursa and myself as young

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Hey, I got told I was in diapers a couple weeks ago.

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That could be construed as young or... not so young.

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That probably depends on whether one remembers the experience or not, (Pun intended)