Per Raoul
Cal WBB grad transfer Evelien Lutje Schipholt (6-2 SR forward, The Hague, Netherlands) is headed to South Florida, who've also landed Auburn transfer forward Romi Levy.

When Cal WBB loses players that have been and would a starters at Cal, to lesser academic and lesser athletic schools in lesser conferences, there is a big indication of how Cal WBB is doing.

Go Bears!

calbear80 said:

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When Cal WBB loses players that have been and would a starters at Cal, to lesser academic and lesser athletic schools in lesser conferences, there is a big indication of how Cal WBB is doing.

Go Bears!

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Not sure if I understand lesser athletic as it relates to here, but South Florida was 27-7, beat 2 ranked teams out of conference, and lost in the 2nd round of the tournament to a pretty decent (so I hear) South Carolina program...so right here, right now, they are a doing pretty well. Playing in the American, yeah okay, not Pac-12 women's basketball, but not D-II either...
Didn't she get her degree, or am I mistaken?

How does it work with grad students and playing a 5th year? If you got your degree at Cal in 4 years are you still able to play a 5th year at Cal or do you have to transfer out to be able to play the 5th year? What if you haven't gotten your degree after 4 years? And how does a Covid year affect all of this regarding whether someone can still play at at Cal?

mbBear said:

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calbear80 said:

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When Cal WBB loses players that have been and would a starters at Cal, to lesser academic and lesser athletic schools in lesser conferences, there is a big indication of how Cal WBB is doing.

Go Bears!

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Not sure if I understand lesser athletic as it relates to here, but South Florida was 27-7, beat 2 ranked teams out of conference, and lost in the 2nd round of the tournament to a pretty decent (so I hear) South Carolina program...so right here, right now, they are a doing pretty well. Playing in the American, yeah okay, not Pac-12 women's basketball, but not D-II either...
Didn't she get her degree, or am I mistaken?

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Yes, she did.

I believe her time at South Florida will be to pursue a PhD.
Plus, she has the Covid year to use just like Leilani who chose to stay at Cal.

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mbBear said:

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calbear80 said:

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When Cal WBB loses players that have been and would a starters at Cal, to lesser academic and lesser athletic schools in lesser conferences, there is a big indication of how Cal WBB is doing.

Go Bears!

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Not sure if I understand lesser athletic as it relates to here, but South Florida was 27-7, beat 2 ranked teams out of conference, and lost in the 2nd round of the tournament to a pretty decent (so I hear) South Carolina program...so right here, right now, they are a doing pretty well. Playing in the American, yeah okay, not Pac-12 women's basketball, but not D-II either...
Didn't she get her degree, or am I mistaken?

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Yes, she did.

I believe her time at South Florida will be to pursue a PhD.
Plus, she has the Covid year to use just like Leilani who chose to stay at Cal.

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Thanks...so basically, if people want to lose their **** over Charmin losing players, probably not the best example, but that's just my take...

mbBear said:

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SFCALBear72 said:

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mbBear said:

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calbear80 said:

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When Cal WBB loses players that have been and would a starters at Cal, to lesser academic and lesser athletic schools in lesser conferences, there is a big indication of how Cal WBB is doing.

Go Bears!

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Not sure if I understand lesser athletic as it relates to here, but South Florida was 27-7, beat 2 ranked teams out of conference, and lost in the 2nd round of the tournament to a pretty decent (so I hear) South Carolina program...so right here, right now, they are a doing pretty well. Playing in the American, yeah okay, not Pac-12 women's basketball, but not D-II either...
Didn't she get her degree, or am I mistaken?

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Yes, she did.

I believe her time at South Florida will be to pursue a PhD.
Plus, she has the Covid year to use just like Leilani who chose to stay at Cal.

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Thanks...so basically, if people want to lose their **** over Charmin losing players, probably not the best example, but that's just my take...

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Agreed.

It's easier to point fingers than do a little research (doesn't a Cal education teach those skills? hmmm). My original post said, "grad transfer". There was talk about her pursuing either a pro career or academics after Cal. We all know what an outstanding scholar-athlete Evelien is. Being on the East Coast for grad school will also make it easier for her parents to visit from the Netherlands.

calbear80 said:

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When Cal WBB loses players that have been and would a starters at Cal, to lesser academic and lesser athletic schools in lesser conferences, there is a big indication of how Cal WBB is doing.

Go Bears!

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You post without doing any research or knowing anything

SBGold said:

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calbear80 said:

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When Cal WBB loses players that have been and would a starters at Cal, to lesser academic and lesser athletic schools in lesser conferences, there is a big indication of how Cal WBB is doing.

Go Bears!

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You post without doing any research or knowing anything

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This is a sports board. Reed thu rume.

mbBear said:

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calbear80 said:

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When Cal WBB loses players that have been and would a starters at Cal, to lesser academic and lesser athletic schools in lesser conferences, there is a big indication of how Cal WBB is doing.

Go Bears!

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Not sure if I understand lesser athletic as it relates to here, but South Florida was 27-7, beat 2 ranked teams out of conference, and lost in the 2nd round of the tournament to a pretty decent (so I hear) South Carolina program...so right here, right now, they are a doing pretty well. Playing in the American, yeah okay, not Pac-12 women's basketball, but not D-II either...
Didn't she get her degree, or am I mistaken?

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The WNBA considered two South Florida players, and Fankam-Mendjiadeu is now on the Storm roster: https://gousfbulls.com/news/2023/4/10/womens-basketball-former-usf-standouts-elena-tsineke-and-dulcy-fankam-mendjiadeu-go-back-to-back-in-the-2023-wnba-draft-taken-by-washington-and-seattle-in-the-second-round.aspx

They don't sound bad academically, either: https://www.usf.edu/news/2022/usf-increases-number-of-graduate-programs-ranked-among-the-nation-best-by-us-news-and-world-.aspx

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mbBear said:

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calbear80 said:

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When Cal WBB loses players that have been and would a starters at Cal, to lesser academic and lesser athletic schools in lesser conferences, there is a big indication of how Cal WBB is doing.

Go Bears!

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Not sure if I understand lesser athletic as it relates to here, but South Florida was 27-7, beat 2 ranked teams out of conference, and lost in the 2nd round of the tournament to a pretty decent (so I hear) South Carolina program...so right here, right now, they are a doing pretty well. Playing in the American, yeah okay, not Pac-12 women's basketball, but not D-II either...
Didn't she get her degree, or am I mistaken?

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The WNBA considered two South Florida players, and Fankam-Mendjiadeu is now on the Storm roster: https://gousfbulls.com/news/2023/4/10/womens-basketball-former-usf-standouts-elena-tsineke-and-dulcy-fankam-mendjiadeu-go-back-to-back-in-the-2023-wnba-draft-taken-by-washington-and-seattle-in-the-second-round.aspx

They don't sound bad academically, either: https://www.usf.edu/news/2022/usf-increases-number-of-graduate-programs-ranked-among-the-nation-best-by-us-news-and-world-.aspx

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Good info! So actually, the moral of the story is it wasn't really any monster step "down" to South Florida...

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mbBear said:

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calbear80 said:

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When Cal WBB loses players that have been and would a starters at Cal, to lesser academic and lesser athletic schools in lesser conferences, there is a big indication of how Cal WBB is doing.

Go Bears!

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Not sure if I understand lesser athletic as it relates to here, but South Florida was 27-7, beat 2 ranked teams out of conference, and lost in the 2nd round of the tournament to a pretty decent (so I hear) South Carolina program...so right here, right now, they are a doing pretty well. Playing in the American, yeah okay, not Pac-12 women's basketball, but not D-II either...
Didn't she get her degree, or am I mistaken?

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The WNBA considered two South Florida players, and Fankam-Mendjiadeu is now on the Storm roster: https://gousfbulls.com/news/2023/4/10/womens-basketball-former-usf-standouts-elena-tsineke-and-dulcy-fankam-mendjiadeu-go-back-to-back-in-the-2023-wnba-draft-taken-by-washington-and-seattle-in-the-second-round.aspx

They don't sound bad academically, either: https://www.usf.edu/news/2022/usf-increases-number-of-graduate-programs-ranked-among-the-nation-best-by-us-news-and-world-.aspx

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Good info! So actually, the moral of the story is it wasn't really any monster step "down" to South Florida...

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Right. Cal is a world-class university, but schools that aren't can still have a lot to offer.

SBGold said:

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calbear80 said:

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When Cal WBB loses players that have been and would a starters at Cal, to lesser academic and lesser athletic schools in lesser conferences, there is a big indication of how Cal WBB is doing.

Go Bears!

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You post without doing any research or knowing anything

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Actually, I have done some research and calculations.

We are in a Power 5 conference and a very prestigious academic school in a great location. Our WBB staff has the worst conference winning percentage of any coaching staff in the conference who still remain on the job.

The current WBB coaching staff wins 15% and loses 85% of its conference games.

Do you think if the coaching staff was winning 70 or 80% of the conference games, more quality players would choose to stay at Cal rather than abondeniug ship (as some of our best players with eligibility remaining are doing)?

Bring Back Respect To Cal FB, MBB And WBB!

Go Bears!

calbear80 said:

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SBGold said:

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calbear80 said:

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When Cal WBB loses players that have been and would a starters at Cal, to lesser academic and lesser athletic schools in lesser conferences, there is a big indication of how Cal WBB is doing.

Go Bears!

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You post without doing any research or knowing anything

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Actually, I have done some research and calculations.

We are in a Power 5 conference and a very prestigious academic school in a great location. Our WBB staff has the worst conference winning percentage of any coaching staff in the conference who still remain on the job.

The current WBB coaching staff wins 15% and loses 85% of its conference games.

Do you think if the coaching staff was winning 70 or 80% of the conference games, more quality players would choose to stay at Cal rather than abondeniug ship (as some of our best players with eligibility remaining are doing)?

Bring Back Respect To Cal FB, MBB And WBB!

Go Bears!

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I just read a report that said if Dawn Staley took the Cal job tomorrow, the Cal women's program would overnight double their season ticket holders, and would in fact make the tournament within one season.
You reacted to one specific person, going to a winning program and getting a degree that she can't get at Cal...and some of us responded accordingly. So now you want to do some research to broaden the discussion? I certainly care a lot more about Curry leaving than a decent player leaving to get a degree elsewhere...
Programs, in the new world, have players leaving even from really good schools (winning and academically.) Cal specifically will lose players who don't want to do the grad programs available(which is a better situation than it was), and/or don't want the challenge of balancing athletics/academics at a place like Cal.
I get it-if there is a chance to bash Charmin, you aren't going to miss it, no matter the specifics of the situation. No one is going to get you off of that, I'm not sure why I responded to the post in the first place, and who knows, in less than a year from now, you might get your wish anyway, you can do lots of "I told you so posts," and at the very minimum, win the board for the day.

mbBear said:

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calbear80 said:

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SBGold said:

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calbear80 said:

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When Cal WBB loses players that have been and would a starters at Cal, to lesser academic and lesser athletic schools in lesser conferences, there is a big indication of how Cal WBB is doing.

Go Bears!

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You post without doing any research or knowing anything

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Actually, I have done some research and calculations.

We are in a Power 5 conference and a very prestigious academic school in a great location. Our WBB staff has the worst conference winning percentage of any coaching staff in the conference who still remain on the job.

The current WBB coaching staff wins 15% and loses 85% of its conference games.

Do you think if the coaching staff was winning 70 or 80% of the conference games, more quality players would choose to stay at Cal rather than abondeniug ship (as some of our best players with eligibility remaining are doing)?

Bring Back Respect To Cal FB, MBB And WBB!

Go Bears!

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I just read a report that said if Dawn Staley took the Cal job tomorrow, the Cal women's program would overnight double their season ticket holders, and would in fact make the tournament within one season.
You reacted to one specific person, going to a winning program and getting a degree that she can't get at Cal...and some of us responded accordingly. So now you want to do some research to broaden the discussion? I certainly care a lot more about Curry leaving than a decent player leaving to get a degree elsewhere...
Programs, in the new world, have players leaving even from really good schools (winning and academically.) Cal specifically will lose players who don't want to do the grad programs available(which is a better situation than it was), and/or don't want the challenge of balancing athletics/academics at a place like Cal.
I get it-if there is a chance to bash Charmin, you aren't going to miss it, no matter the specifics of the situation. No one is going to get you off of that, I'm not sure why I responded to the post in the first place, and who knows, in less than a year from now, you might get your wish anyway, you can do lots of "I told you so posts," and at the very minimum, win the board for the day.

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mbBear, thank you for your post and comments.

I have been a die hard Cal fan who bleeds Blue and Gold for more than 45 years. Over the years, I have supported the Cal WBB by attending some (admittedly not a lot) games and donating to the WBB program (again, admittedly, not as much as FB or MBB).

After LG left (which now I believe was another AD mistake), I was happy that Charmin was hired and I made a donation to WBB program. I thought Charmin would be what LG was plus having playing experience in the PAC-12 and being a good (excellent) recruiter. The hope was that Charmin could improve LG's typical 11-7/12-6 conference record to 14-5/15-3 and challenge her former coach for PAC-12 supremacy. When Charmin's first recruiting class included three five stars, I was felt that we have turned the corner. I was so excited that I made another donation to Cal WBB with special thank you note for bringing in three five star recruits.

Unfortunately, things have not gone according to any of our hopes. It seems like each and every year we have lost two or three good key players who had eligibility remaining. And, there is the win-loss conference record. On top of that, some of the non-conference loses (e.g. to Bakersfield State and San Jose State) are simply hard to comprehend.

I think this year losing Curry was devastating. Losing Evalien Lutje Schipholt will also hurt the team.

I sincerely hope our WBB can turn it around with some of the new players they have brought in and produce at least a .500 conference record. However, I am not optimistic that will happen.

Go Bears!

calbear80 said:

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mbBear said:

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calbear80 said:

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SBGold said:

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calbear80 said:

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When Cal WBB loses players that have been and would a starters at Cal, to lesser academic and lesser athletic schools in lesser conferences, there is a big indication of how Cal WBB is doing.

Go Bears!

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You post without doing any research or knowing anything

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Actually, I have done some research and calculations.

We are in a Power 5 conference and a very prestigious academic school in a great location. Our WBB staff has the worst conference winning percentage of any coaching staff in the conference who still remain on the job.

The current WBB coaching staff wins 15% and loses 85% of its conference games.

Do you think if the coaching staff was winning 70 or 80% of the conference games, more quality players would choose to stay at Cal rather than abondeniug ship (as some of our best players with eligibility remaining are doing)?

Bring Back Respect To Cal FB, MBB And WBB!

Go Bears!

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I just read a report that said if Dawn Staley took the Cal job tomorrow, the Cal women's program would overnight double their season ticket holders, and would in fact make the tournament within one season.
You reacted to one specific person, going to a winning program and getting a degree that she can't get at Cal...and some of us responded accordingly. So now you want to do some research to broaden the discussion? I certainly care a lot more about Curry leaving than a decent player leaving to get a degree elsewhere...
Programs, in the new world, have players leaving even from really good schools (winning and academically.) Cal specifically will lose players who don't want to do the grad programs available(which is a better situation than it was), and/or don't want the challenge of balancing athletics/academics at a place like Cal.
I get it-if there is a chance to bash Charmin, you aren't going to miss it, no matter the specifics of the situation. No one is going to get you off of that, I'm not sure why I responded to the post in the first place, and who knows, in less than a year from now, you might get your wish anyway, you can do lots of "I told you so posts," and at the very minimum, win the board for the day.

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mbBear, thank you for your post and comments.

I have been a die hard Cal fan who bleeds Blue and Gold for more than 45 years. Over the years, I have supported the Cal WBB by attending some (admittedly not a lot) games and donating to the WBB program (again, admittedly, not as much as FB or MBB).

After LG left (which now I believe was another AD mistake), I was happy that Charmin was hired and I made a donation to WBB program. I thought Charmin would be what LG was plus having playing experience in the PAC-12 and being a good (excellent) recruiter. The hope was that Charmin could improve LG's typical 11-7/12-6 conference record to 14-5/15-3 and challenge her former coach for PAC-12 supremacy. When Charmin's first recruiting class included three five stars, I was felt that we have turned the corner. I was so excited that I made another donation to Cal WBB with special thank you note for bringing in three five star recruits.

Unfortunately, things have not gone according to any of our hopes. It seems like each and every year we have lost two or three good key players who had eligibility remaining. And, there is the win-loss conference record. On top of that, some of the non-conference loses (e.g. to Bakersfield State and San Jose State) are simply hard to comprehend.

I think this year losing Curry was devastating. Losing Evalien Lutje Schipholt will also hurt the team.

I sincerely hope our WBB can turn it around with some of the new players they have brought in and produce at least a .500 conference record. However, I am not optimistic that will happen.

Go Bears!

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Nothing but respect for the time and money that you have given to the program...and if that has lead to some recent frustrations, it's understandable, no doubt.

Congratulations to ELS for graduating from Cal.! I recently saw a photo of her standing with the Student Athletes in the stadium during the graduation ceremonies shown in the feed on my cell phone. She majored in Molecular Biology, and it has been said on this site she will be in a PHD program at the University of South Florida and playing on the WBB team. It's great she is taking advantage of the extra year given to student /athletes because of Covid. USF has several PHD programs that would match her undergraduate degree. Also, I read the cost of a graduate degree is less then other universities. ELS is very deserving of a promising career as she has shown by being an excellent student /athlete, and playing all four years with determination and grit. She has been a loyal asset to the WBB Program. USF has seven out of ten players, including ELS from overseas.

In response to the rather negative article in the Chronicle about Cal losing many players to the transfer portal: I personally do not like counting grad-transfers. The player has graduated with a degree, and can continue playing at another school if one has eligibilty left. Plus, it has been a unique situation with the extra year for Covid. The article did not name players, but the number of transfers did not add up for me. I stand to be corrected.

After last season Dalayah Daniels and Fatou Samb transferred. D.D. played at a Pac-12 school(Washington) and had a good season. She is from the Seattle area. She was dealing with back problems on and off during her sophomore season at Cal. Fatou( from Houston) is at Rice, and saw almost no playing time at all. Cailyn Crocker graduated in three years with a degree from Haas school of business. Her playing time after her freshman year was limited after re-injrying a foot from highschool. The injury occurred during the summer before her sophomore year. I miss Cailyn, and am pleased to know she had a good year playing for Colorado State WBB team.

Jayda Curry and Amaya Bonner transferred after this last season. Sela Heide graduated in three years, after very limited playing time. I assume she re-injured the knee that required surgery befor the summer of her senior year in highschool. I read it kept dislocating is the reason why she had surgery.. As i have stated, ELS graduated and has moved on using the extra year for Covid. Sela has transferred to Oregon State, where both of her parents were athletes

Louisville is hoping Jayda will give them scoring power after their transfers, mainly, their best player, Haley Van Lithe, who graduated in three years, and transferred to the NCAA Champion, LSU(Mega NIL School). Amaya Bonner, who saw limited playing time in her freshman year transferred to Florida State.

Granted, Cal shoulda, coulda, woulda won more games the last two seasons, especially in 2022-2023, but just could not close in and win very close games. There was no mention in the article of Charmin being named HC after LG left for the NBA with a depleted roster, the injuries, and Covid restrictions, which were much stricter than many of the Pac-12 teams. Plus, an article I read today said the Pac-12 is not going to make it past next year.........Who knows the outcome, but things look pretty dismal.

I can't see players wanting to commit to Cal because of the uncertainty of the league. The ACC is going through a major alignment, and college sports, especially football and basketball have changed due to NIL. The University of Miami has said their men and women's basketball teams were competitive in the NCAA tournament due to transfer players reaping benefits from NIL contracts. The WBB coach got into trouble over recruiting the twins from Fresno State due to her relationship with a Billionare supporter.

I too, was happy and hopeful when Charmin became the HC. I feel she thinks she can win at Cal, and at times, seems overly optimistic. She runs a good program, and has the student athletes best interest in mind. However, you have to recruit excellent players to win, and make it to the tournament, in order to keep your position. Despite all, I continue to like and have respect for Charmin.

calbear80 said:

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SBGold said:

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calbear80 said:

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When Cal WBB loses players that have been and would a starters at Cal, to lesser academic and lesser athletic schools in lesser conferences, there is a big indication of how Cal WBB is doing.

Go Bears!

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You post without doing any research or knowing anything

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Actually, I have done some research and calculations.

We are in a Power 5 conference and a very prestigious academic school in a great location. Our WBB staff has the worst conference winning percentage of any coaching staff in the conference who still remain on the job.

The current WBB coaching staff wins 15% and loses 85% of its conference games.

Do you think if the coaching staff was winning 70 or 80% of the conference games, more quality players would choose to stay at Cal rather than abondeniug ship (as some of our best players with eligibility remaining are doing)?

Bring Back Respect To Cal FB, MBB And WBB!

Go Bears!

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Possibly? Why did Hunter Dickinson leave UMich? Why did Tramon Marks leave Houston? Why did Kaedin Shedrick leave UVa?

Players are abandoning ship right and left at any number of institutions….even the highly successful ones. Grass is always greener it seems these days… https://theathletic.com/4482375/2023/05/03/womens-college-basketball-transfer-portal-column/?amp=1

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Players are abandoning ship right and left at any number of institutions….even the highly successful ones. Grass is always greener it seems these days… https://theathletic.com/4482375/2023/05/03/womens-college-basketball-transfer-portal-column/?amp=1

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correct, even when they are starters at strong, winning programs. That was my point

The grad transfer market will diminish significantly with the end of the extra Covid year. After that, teams will need to recruit well out of high school and attract some transfers to supplement that. Winning and post season appearances will continue to attract the best players. A few programs at the highest level will also be putting out significant NIL. This past year, PAC12 teams brought in three of the ESPN Top 35 transfers, but also lost seven others. So far, UCLA has been the PAC12 team best able to handle this new environment, pending their own transfer to the B1G.

Do have to wonder how fans of teams that are constantly raided or who fail to land top players will eventually react to all of this.