OT-Canada women defeat USA, 81-73, for Pan Am games gold medal (link)

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Schroeder71
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http://www.canada.com/sports/Roundup+Canada+adds+silver+medal+rhythmic+gymnastics/11229242/story.html

Teenager, Kia Nurse (age 19), who plays for UConn led the Canadians to their first ever gold medal over the US in Pan Am women's bball.
I predicted that Canada would upset the US after watching the latter's uninspiring opening two wins. Team USA was fortunate to
make the final, nipping Cuba, 65-64. This was the weakest US entry that I can remember...
BearBint
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Wow, that's still a shocker. I don't think the U.S. team is particularly weak, but I hadn't paid attention to how strong the Canadians had become: lots of fine players there.
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Was very impressed by Nurse as a freshman for UConn last year. They got a steal in signing her. If not for her and perhaps the 6'5" transfer, there would have been a likely drop off after Breanna Stewart graduated.

Not surprised by the loss either. Whoever was the "casting director" for the USA Pan Am team will not be winning an Oscar.
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This will probably cause a review of the whole national team process because the USA doesn't like to lose, and the flaws will be exposed.
bearinsocal
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Eh, this was Canada's senior national team with lots of experience. They finished 5th in the World Championship in 2014. They were easily favorites. US struggled to beat an experienced Cuba team despite having more talent. This wasn't even our B/C/D team. No pro's, all collegiate players, and even then, it wasn't a particularly strong team outside of Stewert/Jefferson (Mitchell was injured). There was that WUG team a few years back with Delle Donne, Ogwumike Sisters, Diggins, etc that may done much better. The overall collegiate talent was much stronger then.
Schroeder71
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Ditto. The US team was built around the two UConn stars, Stewart & Jefferson. Stewart is not fleet of foot so she had difficulty when her opponents doubled her. It does show the power of UConn, however, when the three top stars in the Pan Am championship game were all starters there.
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bearinsocal;842516350 said:

Eh, this was Canada's senior national team with lots of experience. They finished 5th in the World Championship in 2014. They were easily favorites. US struggled to beat an experienced Cuba team despite having more talent. This wasn't even our B/C/D team. No pro's, all collegiate players, and even then, it wasn't a particularly strong team outside of Stewert/Jefferson (Mitchell was injured). There was that WUG team a few years back with Delle Donne, Ogwumike Sisters, Diggins, etc that may done much better. The overall collegiate talent was much stronger then.
califan
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Canada played a great game and I thought that they were the better team from day 1. Lots of unselfish players, who share the ball. They also struggled with Cuba however. Canada is a great example of how you can play smart unselfish basketball and beat the US athletes who show no signs of basketball IQ. I also think the make up of the team was strange, Stewart and Jefferson were clearly the best and carried a heavy load but wore down and it shows you need a squad of good team players to win.
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califan;842516394 said:

Canada played a great game and I thought that they were the better team from day 1. Lots of unselfish players, who share the ball. They also struggled with Cuba however. Canada is a great example of how you can play smart unselfish basketball and beat the US athletes who show no signs of basketball IQ. I also think the make up of the team was strange, Stewart and Jefferson were clearly the best and carried a heavy load but wore down and it shows you need a squad of good team players to win.


I have a really hard time imagining Breanna Stewart showing no bball IQ... Do she and Jefferson just tranform into geniuses when they put on the UConn uniform?

Assuming you just meant that the U.S. system didn't allow the players to display much bball IQ, it should be noted that the Canadian system helped its players' IQ (I have definitely seen Nirra Fields play a little more "selfish" bball in a different role at UCLA at times).

Bearinsocal's point that this was not really an upset is well taken. Most of Canada's players in this game were on that 2014 world chmpnshp team, so have had plenty of time to play and practice together - as opposed to the U.S., thrown together with a few weeks to prepare. Canada has several players who've played professionally and are much older, which gives them a big strength advantage in addition to the extra skill development. Stewart's talent is usually best contained by being physical (i don't see why speed would help her as much), especially when the refs call games very rough - as they were thru the whole tournament.

I don't disagree that the U.S. process could use some improving, but as far as just the PanAm gms, I don't think this loss necessarily triggers any uprising. The U.S. lost in the last PanAm gms as well, in 2011, and actually finished well back - I think 7th or so. That team was a much weaker entry than this, made up mostly of kids from mid-major colleges, with no really memorable names other than Breanna Stewart when she was still in HS. I think 2011 was the yr the WUG team had Delle Donne, Ogwumike and Diggins. This year the U.S. sent more talent to the PanAm gms - but still had to siphon off some of its best talent -- and still only drawing from the college pool.
ClayK
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A young team got to the finals and lost to a very solid international, experienced group playing at home ... hard to criticize this.

Now if that was the American Olympic/World Championship team that got torched by Kia Nurse, maybe there would be discussions. But expecting Taya Reimer (to name just one) to be able to outplay Kim Gaucher (nee Smith), a 31-year-old WNBA veteran, is simply wishful thinking.
califan
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really;842516689 said:

I have a really hard time imagining Breanna Stewart showing no bball IQ... Do she and Jefferson just tranform into geniuses when they put on the UConn uniform?

Assuming you just meant that the U.S. system didn't allow the players to display much bball IQ, it should be noted that the Canadian system helped its players' IQ (I have definitely seen Nirra Fields play a little more "selfish" bball in a different role at UCLA at times)

Bearinsocal's point that this was not really an upset is well taken. Most of Canada's players in this game were on that 2014 world chmpnshp team, so have had plenty of time to play and practice together - as opposed to the U.S., thrown together with a few weeks to prepare. Canada has several players who've played professionally and are much older, which gives them a big strength advantage in addition to the extra skill development. Stewart's talent is usually best contained by being physical (i don't see why speed would help her as much), especially when the refs call games very rough - as they were thru the whole tournament.

I don't disagree that the U.S. process could use some improving, but as far as just the PanAm gms, I don't think this loss necessarily triggers any uprising. The U.S. lost in the last PanAm gms as well, in 2011, and actually finished well back - I think 7th or so. That team was a much weaker entry than this, made up mostly of kids from mid-major colleges, with no really memorable names other than Breanna Stewart when she was still in HS. I think 2011 was the yr the WUG team had Delle Donne, Ogwumike and Diggins. This year the U.S. sent more talent to the PanAm gms - but still had to siphon off some of its best talent -- and still only drawing from the college pool.


Where did I say Stewart had no IQ, I said Stewart and Jefferson carried the team?

Re Fields, she showed much maturity from her days playing with UCLA. Probably the biggest surprise and showed how well Canada got their players to buy into the team concept.
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califan;842516745 said:

Where did I say Stewart had no IQ, I said Stewart and Jefferson carried the team?

Re Fields, she showed much maturity from her days playing with UCLA. Probably the biggest surprise and showed how well Canada got their players to buy into the team concept.


You said "Canada is a great example of how you can play smart unselfish basketball and beat the US athletes who show no signs of basketball IQ." Seemed like you might be saying all the US athletes show no sign of bball IQ. As I thought that would be a stretch, especially as it relates to Stewart (and Jefferson as well), I went on to assume that you really meant that the U.S. system was responsible for limiting how much IQ the players showed .
califan
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really;842517011 said:

You said "Canada is a great example of how you can play smart unselfish basketball and beat the US athletes who show no signs of basketball IQ." Seemed like you might be saying all the US athletes show no sign of bball IQ. As I thought that would be a stretch, especially as it relates to Stewart (and Jefferson as well), I went on to assume that you really meant that the U.S. system was responsible for limiting how much IQ the players showed .


Just shows where assumptions can get you. I prefer my own eyes and those of the people I trust. I don't assume, I gather information from everywhere. There is some information I would never post as I would never throw people under the bus, so I give my opinion, to which we are all entitled.
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