bearlyamazing said:
You stooges are pathetic. But what aboutism at it's finest.
We're talking about an impeachment trial and how the Dems have completely corrupted the political process.
He's not capable of having any credibility. He is shown a consistently warped understanding of current events and is unable to separate fact from fiction. I haven't watched either video he posted in this thread, but my assumption is that he's trying to compare something Maxine Waters did with something Donald Trump did. If Maxine waters incited a riot or insurrection to overthrow our government, she should be impeached and removed from office. She should face criminal charges. She hasn't done any of those things. Donald Trump did. Yet bearlyamazing will vote for Trump in the primary and in the general election in 2024 and he believes that Maxine Waters should be in jail right now.sycasey said:bearlyamazing said:
You stooges are pathetic. But what aboutism at it's finest.
We're talking about an impeachment trial and how the Dems have completely corrupted the political process.
When you're wrong enough times, eventually your credibility is shot and people stop listening to what you say. That's what happened to you.
So in October of last year BEFORE the election which you were positive Trump would win I asked:bearlyamazing said:
I know you missed me. Don't worry. I won't be spending much time here.
The gaslighting of the left just doesn't work for anyone paying the slightest bit of attention.
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If Trump loses will you accept that he lost and that the people have spoken?
And if the country stops being less hateful and tense under Biden, except on tv/radio rants by right wing personalities, will you acknowledge that is a good thing?
And as Trump's crimes are shown to be true and prosecuted will you see he was fraudulent and crooked or believe this is a deep state misinformation hit job?
And as COVID gets handled and the economy recovers and racial tensions diminish, these will be good things that you support and give credit to, or will you complain and undermine because your guy failed?
Will you be glad to see our status in the world recover and alliance with allies heal, or will you think our relationship with dictators is suffering?
Will you support this president and wish what is best for America or pine for failure and your next demagogue?
blungld said:So in October of last year BEFORE the election which you were positive Trump would win I asked:bearlyamazing said:
I know you missed me. Don't worry. I won't be spending much time here.
The gaslighting of the left just doesn't work for anyone paying the slightest bit of attention.Quote:
If Trump loses will you accept that he lost and that the people have spoken?
And if the country stops being less hateful and tense under Biden, except on tv/radio rants by right wing personalities, will you acknowledge that is a good thing?
And as Trump's crimes are shown to be true and prosecuted will you see he was fraudulent and crooked or believe this is a deep state misinformation hit job?
And as COVID gets handled and the economy recovers and racial tensions diminish, these will be good things that you support and give credit to, or will you complain and undermine because your guy failed?
Will you be glad to see our status in the world recover and alliance with allies heal, or will you think our relationship with dictators is suffering?
Will you support this president and wish what is best for America or pine for failure and your next demagogue?
Though you never really answered your post here basically answers. You learn nothing. You are still playing the tribal loyalty game and seeing the world through blinders of antagonism and bias. Yes, after 4 years of Trump and how much damage that did to the country, it's really import5ant that you keep hunting for videos or any article that you think makes Liberals look bad. That's what's important, right?
Not really, but I do wonder if you are getting nervous about our bet? Remember, this is what you you wrote:bearlyamazing said:
I know you missed me.
So, you wrote that on May, 29 2020. That means I win the bet on May 29, 2021. That's in 106 days. This is exciting! I wonder if you lose if you will ask yourself if any of the assumptions you made or news you believed were lies, or if you will just stick with your conspiracies? Will you own your words and admit your loss?Quote:
"If Biden is elected and is still serving as president at this time next year, I'll go into self-exile for a month and won't post till July 2021. Anyone else willing to take that bet on the other side?"
You know that just getting mad and incredulous doesn't mean you are correct or making good points, right?bearlyamazing said:
You stooges are pathetic. But what aboutism at it's finest.
We're talking about an impeachment trial and how the Dems have completely corrupted the political process.
See my advice to BA, it might help you too.BearForce2 said:
Trump didn't damage the country, he exposed the hypocrisy of the left. This impeachment trial is bogus and you all know it despite the propaganda machine.
blungld said:Not really, but I do wonder if you are getting nervous about our bet? Remember, this is what you you wrote:bearlyamazing said:
I know you missed me.So, you wrote that on May, 29 2020. That means I win the bet on May 29, 2021. That's in 106 days. This is exciting! I wonder if you lose if you will ask yourself if any of the assumptions you made or news you believed were lies, or if you will just stick with your conspiracies? Will you own your words and admit your loss?Quote:
"If Biden is elected and is still serving as president at this time next year, I'll go into self-exile for a month and won't post till July 2021. Anyone else willing to take that bet on the other side?"
You know, there is a lot of information out there about how to remove yourself from a cult, how to stop believing propaganda and misinformation. It's all out there and literally millions of Americans have been tricked as you have been and many now have extracted themselves and see their old selves with some compassion and clarity. It's only embarrassing if you are given the opportunity to learn and change and you decline it, as it seems you are doing now.
Cult of Victimhood
Governed By a Cult
Smart People Brainwashed
By May 29th. And said he would take a voluntary month off BearInsider (July) if he was wrong. Let's just see if he sticks to his words, admits what he wrote, and takes the consequences like a man.sycasey said:
Didn't bearlyamazing give us a deadline for when Biden would be thrown out of office for corruption, if he managed to win the election? When was that supposed to happen by?
sycasey said:bearlyamazing said:
You stooges are pathetic. But what aboutism at it's finest.
We're talking about an impeachment trial and how the Dems have completely corrupted the political process.
When you're wrong enough times, eventually your credibility is shot and people stop listening to what you say. That's what happened to you.
It should really be named after him.chazzed said:sycasey said:bearlyamazing said:
You stooges are pathetic. But what aboutism at it's finest.
We're talking about an impeachment trial and how the Dems have completely corrupted the political process.
When you're wrong enough times, eventually your credibility is shot and people stop listening to what you say. That's what happened to you.
I believe the condition is named Cal88 syndrome.
I won't dare touch the partisan non-sense argued by both sides on this thread with a ten foot pole.bearlyamazing said:
You people really are a complete waste of time. Either total liars or living in a leftist dystopian dreamworld.
I stand by 99% of my comments posted and linked. If anything, all the unredacted documents released the past couple months incontrovertibly prove most everything I've said but you clowns as usual ignore all of it.
Do yourselves a favor and watch the videos, especially the first one. It will take a whole 3 minutes of your time and completely shreds the Dem's unconstitutional and hypocritical attempts to impeach Trump. It's plain and simple. It was played by Trump's defense team yesterday at the hearing.
Educate yourselves and watch it or just continue to live in your happy world of gaslighted ignorance.
I dare you to defend the hypocrisy exposed in it. You have no leg to stand on whatsoever.
I think you should read the federalist papers from Madison. One of the main debates prior to adoption of the impeachment powers in the constitution was whether the senate should have the power to remove a sitting president but instead should only have the power to disqualify through impeachment conviction after he leaves office. The argument that won out was that, if it was only limited to disqualifying former presidents, impeachment would not deter a sitting president from using unethical means to stay in power. It was never a question of impeaching to disqualify a former president. The debate was whether impeachment power to the senate to remove a sitting president was too much power. It isn't as if impeachment was invented from thin air. It was borrowed from England that had a history of impeaching former leaders. So, no that argument does not stand.bearlyamazing said:
Yes, I'm saying it's unconstitutional to impeach a president who's no longer in office. I'm also saying the basis they're using is a fallacy because if saying they're going to fight like hell against election fraud and questioning election results is sedition, there would be a whole lot less people in office today.
Not sure you have to make bearlyamazing do that much reading. The senate determined by vote just a few days ago that it is constitutional and there is no one with higher authority at the moment to say otherwise. Perhaps a different senate in the future would make a different determination, but with respect to Trump the impeachment trial is constitutional. There is no debate as to the constitutionality. My recollection from our last debate is that you would agree with that sort of analysis.calbear93 said:I think you should read the federalist papers from Madison.bearlyamazing said:
Yes, I'm saying it's unconstitutional to impeach a president who's no longer in office. I'm also saying the basis they're using is a fallacy because if saying they're going to fight like hell against election fraud and questioning election results is sedition, there would be a whole lot less people in office today.
Unit2Sucks said:Not sure you have to make bearlyamazing do that much reading. The senate determined by vote just a few days ago that it is constitutional and there is no one with higher authority at the moment to say otherwise. Perhaps a different senate in the future would make a different determination, but with respect to Trump the impeachment trial is constitutional. There is no debate as to the constitutionality. My recollection from our last debate is that you would agree with that sort of analysis.calbear93 said:I think you should read the federalist papers from Madison.bearlyamazing said:
Yes, I'm saying it's unconstitutional to impeach a president who's no longer in office. I'm also saying the basis they're using is a fallacy because if saying they're going to fight like hell against election fraud and questioning election results is sedition, there would be a whole lot less people in office today.
Unit2Sucks said:Not sure you have to make bearlyamazing do that much reading. The senate determined by vote just a few days ago that it is constitutional and there is no one with higher authority at the moment to say otherwise. Perhaps a different senate in the future would make a different determination, but with respect to Trump the impeachment trial is constitutional. There is no debate as to the constitutionality. My recollection from our last debate is that you would agree with that sort of analysis.calbear93 said:I think you should read the federalist papers from Madison.bearlyamazing said:
Yes, I'm saying it's unconstitutional to impeach a president who's no longer in office. I'm also saying the basis they're using is a fallacy because if saying they're going to fight like hell against election fraud and questioning election results is sedition, there would be a whole lot less people in office today.
blungld said:Unit2Sucks said:Not sure you have to make bearlyamazing do that much reading. The senate determined by vote just a few days ago that it is constitutional and there is no one with higher authority at the moment to say otherwise. Perhaps a different senate in the future would make a different determination, but with respect to Trump the impeachment trial is constitutional. There is no debate as to the constitutionality. My recollection from our last debate is that you would agree with that sort of analysis.calbear93 said:I think you should read the federalist papers from Madison.bearlyamazing said:
Yes, I'm saying it's unconstitutional to impeach a president who's no longer in office. I'm also saying the basis they're using is a fallacy because if saying they're going to fight like hell against election fraud and questioning election results is sedition, there would be a whole lot less people in office today.
How about an even easier and more direct response: he was impeached while in office!
Then those republicans are idiots, just like Qanon boobs, military tribunals dreamers and child trafficking/sacrifice conspiracy moronsUnit2Sucks said:Fair point, but the less smooth brained people were arguing the trial is unconstitutional because he was no longer in office and had been removed. Never mind the fact that some Republicans have been arguing they can still impeach Obama.blungld said:Unit2Sucks said:Not sure you have to make bearlyamazing do that much reading. The senate determined by vote just a few days ago that it is constitutional and there is no one with higher authority at the moment to say otherwise. Perhaps a different senate in the future would make a different determination, but with respect to Trump the impeachment trial is constitutional. There is no debate as to the constitutionality. My recollection from our last debate is that you would agree with that sort of analysis.calbear93 said:I think you should read the federalist papers from Madison.bearlyamazing said:
Yes, I'm saying it's unconstitutional to impeach a president who's no longer in office. I'm also saying the basis they're using is a fallacy because if saying they're going to fight like hell against election fraud and questioning election results is sedition, there would be a whole lot less people in office today.
How about an even easier and more direct response: he was impeached while in office!
You know that just getting mad and incredulous doesn't mean you are correct or making good points, right?blungld said:You know that just getting mad and incredulous doesn't mean you are correct or making good points, right?bearlyamazing said:
You stooges are pathetic. But what aboutism at it's finest.
We're talking about an impeachment trial and how the Dems have completely corrupted the political process.
You were called out on a whole list of things you have said that have been factually wrong. A good starting point would be to acknowledge that you were wrong, and maybe start a new conversation where you consider that those who were right might have something to offer. Maybe have a little humility and self-reflection rather than reaching for the outrage and insults as cover.
I think you'd find we are all really reasonable and ready to talk with anyone who is also reasonable and ready to talk. But that starts with you being able to see reality and admit when you're wrong.
I am so curious. Would you say that you have a lot of friends? What type of person are you off the internet? Mind giving a basic description of yourself? Between 50-60 white male living in Sacramento area, Christian, divorced, didn't go to Cal...that kind of thing? I am so curious what kind of person has come to think the way you do and inhabit the type of internet person that you do. Are you really the same in real life as you are here? Does this caustic antagonism make you happy or do you really believe you are making some important points, changing minds, and making the country a better place? Or is this all a trolling hobby?BearForce2 said:You know that just getting mad and incredulous doesn't mean you are correct or making good points, right?blungld said:You know that just getting mad and incredulous doesn't mean you are correct or making good points, right?bearlyamazing said:
You stooges are pathetic. But what aboutism at it's finest.
We're talking about an impeachment trial and how the Dems have completely corrupted the political process.
You were called out on a whole list of things you have said that have been factually wrong. A good starting point would be to acknowledge that you were wrong, and maybe start a new conversation where you consider that those who were right might have something to offer. Maybe have a little humility and self-reflection rather than reaching for the outrage and insults as cover.
I think you'd find we are all really reasonable and ready to talk with anyone who is also reasonable and ready to talk. But that starts with you being able to see reality and admit when you're wrong.
You were called out on a whole list of things you have said that have been factually wrong. A good starting point would be to acknowledge that you were wrong, and maybe start a new conversation where you consider that those who were right might have something to offer. Maybe have a little humility and self-reflection rather than reaching for the outrage and insults as cover.
I think you'd find we are all really reasonable and ready to talk with anyone who is also reasonable and ready to talk. But that starts with you being able to see reality and admit when you're wrong.
What are you thinking about the bet now?bearlyamazing said:Then those republicans are idiots, just like Qanon boobs, military tribunals dreamers and child trafficking/sacrifice conspiracy moronsUnit2Sucks said:Fair point, but the less smooth brained people were arguing the trial is unconstitutional because he was no longer in office and had been removed. Never mind the fact that some Republicans have been arguing they can still impeach Obama.blungld said:Unit2Sucks said:Not sure you have to make bearlyamazing do that much reading. The senate determined by vote just a few days ago that it is constitutional and there is no one with higher authority at the moment to say otherwise. Perhaps a different senate in the future would make a different determination, but with respect to Trump the impeachment trial is constitutional. There is no debate as to the constitutionality. My recollection from our last debate is that you would agree with that sort of analysis.calbear93 said:I think you should read the federalist papers from Madison.bearlyamazing said:
Yes, I'm saying it's unconstitutional to impeach a president who's no longer in office. I'm also saying the basis they're using is a fallacy because if saying they're going to fight like hell against election fraud and questioning election results is sedition, there would be a whole lot less people in office today.
How about an even easier and more direct response: he was impeached while in office!
How was that a weasel clause? I made no prediction about who would win the election. I predicted that if he was in office he would not be impeached or incapacitated and be gone by May. This all started when you insisted that he had stage 3 dementia or whatever, or that Biden was a shell and there just to get elected and pass presidency to Kamala directly after election. This was your argument and the reason you made the bet. Your bet wasn't who would win the election. I clarified what you meant, but did not weasel.bearlyamazing said:
Now that your weasel clause exempting you if Biden lost is out of the way, if I lose, I'm a man of my word. I took a break for 4 months. I can certainly handle one more.
