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I'd say he joined a long line of jailbirds that were set up: Jeffrey Dahmer, Whitey Bulger, Father John Geoghan, etc.

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Have you seen The Fall of Minneapolis, Bearister. Could you even attempt to be neutral? It seems like that would be at the least expecyed of a lawyer with a Cal degree.

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bearister said:

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I'd say he joined a long line of jailbirds that were set up: Jeffrey Dahmer, Whitey Bulger, Father John Geoghan, etc.

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Have you seen The Fall of Minneapolis, Bearister. Could you even attempt to be neutral? It seems like that would be at the least expecyed of a lawyer with a Cal degree.

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Provide a few links to your comments on this board that you believe exemplify your neutrality and perhaps I can learn something.

BTW, my comment that you quote is factual and thus neutral. I also find it strange that you would take umbrage to my comment that Chauvin was "set up" to be murdered.

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bearister said:

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C\I'd say he joined a long line of jailbirds that were set up: Jeffrey Dahmer, Whitey Bulger, Father John Geoghan, etc.

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Have you seen The Fall of Minneapolis, Bearister. Could you even attempt to be neutral? It seems like that would be at the least expecyed of a lawyer with a Cal degree.

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Provide a few links to your comments on this board that you believe exemplify your neutrality and perhaps I can learn something.

BTW, my comment that you quote is factual and thus neutral.

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I don't think Chauvin is in the company of Geoghan, Dahmer and Bulger. BTW, I don't alway's disagree with you. I never believed, guilty or not, that Chauvin got anything near a fair trial. The new documentary does not say Chauvin was not guilty. It certainly questions American Jurisprudence when race and politics are the principal motivations in determining guilt or innocence.
Some whites say that OJ was guilty!

I had no choice but to put him in the company of the only others I could think of that were deliberately put into circumstances of danger by the correctional facility operators.

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I had no choice but to put him in the company of the only others I could think of that were deliberately put into circumstances of danger by the correctional facility operators.

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What about Dorothy Day and Charner Gordon?

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Regarding Epstein, tRump was a Lolita Express aficionado, and as POTUS had the most to lose if Epstein got chatty. The Clintons were has beens at the time of his death.

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Is the jail Epstein died at on 5th Ave?
Or, how far away,,, Trump tells us exactly what he's going to do before he does it.

The prisoner who stabbed Derek Chauvin 22 times is an ex-FBI informant.

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The prisoner who stabbed Derek Chauvin 22 times is an ex-FBI informant.

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Which plays into the motive: He had to be working at the behest of the gang that is currently protecting him from his former Mexican gang hermanos that he ratted out to the FBI.

Glenn Loury and John McWhorter discuss the George Floyd case on Glenn Loury's podcast. They seem pretty compelling. I have never followed the George Floyd case. It occurred during a time when I was busy with other things.

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Glenn Loury and John McWhorter discuss the George Floyd case on Glenn Loury's podcast. They seem pretty compelling. I have never followed the George Floyd case. It occurred during a time when I was busy with other things.

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I dunno what that podcast is saying, but I followed the case. It was horrific and I can understand why so many people became outraged.

The prosecution presented video tape overlays to construct a timeline as if you were there, and inserted testimony who were seen on video to help fill in gaps.

Having had many questions before viewing all that, and having felt satisfied with an understanding after, I'm not sure that any podcast (audio) discussion could take the fair place of the video.

Mind you, I could see it from the standpoint of Chauvin and his fellow officers, too. It was just a tragic series of events.

Nonetheless, I came away with a conclusion that Chauvin acted negligently, irresponsibly, dangerously with another human life at a time when common sense should have guided him differently.

Disclaimer: I speak those words knowing they have legal definitions but not exactly understanding how those definitions play in court.

Chauvin was foolish. He accidentally killed Floyd. Yet, I felt, HE (unknowingly when he should have known) clearly killed him. We have to expect much more from police.

The prosecution did a great job, had tons of evidence to help me arrive at that conclusion.
I'd be careful if I were you trying to arrive at a conclusion without the prosecution's video evidence and multiple person testimony, linking it all up.

It's a sad situation all the way around!!!
Chauvin doesn't deserve to be stabbed in prison. I'm not even sure how long he should be in prison for. Probably less than he is!
There was no good execution of law for Floyd, and there's no good justice here for Chauvin, either.

"I dunno what that podcast is saying,"

Well, I thought the podcast was pretty easy to follow. I guess we have nothing further to discuss. I understand being on two different communication paths...having been married for 40 years.

John McWhorter is terrible person, so much self hate his platform is supported by racist people that need brown skin faces to do their dirty work. He is handsomely paid for his full capitulation.

For reference and understanding this dynamic Read Fanons'
Black Skin White Mask

His type are colonizers wet dream

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John McWhorter is terrible person, so much self hate his platform is supported by racist people that need brown skin faces to do their dirty work. He is handsomely paid for his full capitulation.

For reference and understanding this dynamic Read Fanons'
Black Skin White Mask

His type are colonizers wet dream

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Other guy on his podcast too? Terrible person? Racist with a black face?

Don't know the other guy …

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"I dunno what that podcast is saying,"

Well, I thought the podcast was pretty easy to follow. I guess we have nothing further to discuss. I understand being on two different communication paths...having been married for 40 years.

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I didn't know because I haven't listened to it. Maybe it IS easy to follow! Granted.

My saying that was not to oppose you or the podcast, it was only to explain from my perspective.

You're free to state your perspective based on the podcast or whatever else.

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82gradDLSdad said:

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"I dunno what that podcast is saying,"

Well, I thought the podcast was pretty easy to follow. I guess we have nothing further to discuss. I understand being on two different communication paths...having been married for 40 years.

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I didn't know because I haven't listened to it. Maybe it IS easy to follow! Granted.

My saying that was not to oppose you or the podcast, it was only to explain from my perspective.

You're free to state your perspective based on the podcast or whatever else.

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The two prominent guys, podcaster/professor and journalist state that police body cam footage show clearly that Chauvin's knew was on Floyd's shoulder, as is taught. This wasn't disclosed during the trial. There are many, many other pieces of evidence. You might be surprised by the podcast or like G4R you might think that the two prominent black men are well paid by whitey to distort the truth.

https://www.threads.net/@jonstewartdaily/post/C0sP8tTO2zm/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

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https://www.threads.net/@jonstewartdaily/post/C0sP8tTO2zm/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

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Segregation never stopped
Redlining never stopped
Discrimination never stopped
The past due debt still hasn't been paid
Acknowledgment of the systemic terrorism has yet to happen
Shhh so upside down people think being bias/bigoted towards some one is Racism or anything equivalent

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"I dunno what that podcast is saying,"

Well, I thought the podcast was pretty easy to follow. I guess we have nothing further to discuss. I understand being on two different communication paths...having been married for 40 years.

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I didn't know because I haven't listened to it. Maybe it IS easy to follow! Granted.

My saying that was not to oppose you or the podcast, it was only to explain from my perspective.

You're free to state your perspective based on the podcast or whatever else.

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The two prominent guys, podcaster/professor and journalist state that police body cam footage show clearly that Chauvin's knew was on Floyd's shoulder, as is taught. This wasn't disclosed during the trial. There are many, many other pieces of evidence. You might be surprised by the podcast or like G4R you might think that the two prominent black men are well paid by whitey to distort the truth.

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Well, I watched the trial, where prosecutor AND defense both had their chance to lobby their side.

Is the prosecution team back in action on this podcast? Or is it a one sided affair?

It's amazing what skilled presenters can convince people of if there is no rebuttal!


https://www.vox.com/22364721/george-floyd-chauvin-trial-televised

Let me ask you this ?
What have elders or Owen or Thomas or sowell done(tangible gains)for Black people?

Being a certified sellout for white supremacy is quite profitable

George Floyd died undergoing a massive drug overdose

The police tapes were intentionally withheld for to stir a race war again in 🇺🇸 and fuel rapid changes to the law that only benefit criminals

Watch those tapes here:
pic.twitter.com/kaWO4Q4NFo

— NOVA Campaigns (@NoVA_Campaigns) May 25, 2024

Has anyone seen this George Floyd video footage before?

This guy has. He has some thoughts and well reasoned explanations. You probably won't read because what he says runs counter to the RWNJ fascist narrative.

https://radleybalko.substack.com/p/the-retconning-of-george-floyd

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This guy has. He has some thoughts and well reasoned explanations. You probably won't read because what he says runs counter to the RWNJ fascist narrative.

https://radleybalko.substack.com/p/the-retconning-of-george-floyd

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While I enjoyed reading your link, I don't see any mention of what was posted on the video whereas George Floyd said he couldn't breathe numerous times prior to having any pressure put on him at all. Shouldn't it somewhat mitigate the police's ignoring of George Floyd's cries that he couldn't breathe if he said he couldn't breathe earlier in the arrest? Wouldn't this either help prove that either something else was keeping him from breathing or he was crying wolf about the can't breathe claims?

No, but keep spinning and I am sure you will find justification to glorify the killer and shame the victim. It's what your tribe does in matters of police killing people.

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No, but keep spinning and I am sure you will find justification to glorify the killer and shame the victim. It's what your tribe does in matters of police killing people.

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We shouldn't glorify Chauvin. That is ridiculous. What bizarro world do you live in that makes you feel I want to glorify Chauvin? You might be the most biased person on this forum. Definitely top two.

Anyway, if true, the fact that Floyd repeatedly claimed he couldn't breathe prior to being restrained by Chauvin certainly mitigates either the severity or charges of apathy of Chauvin's poor actions.

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What bizarro world do you live in that makes you feel I want to glorify Chauvin?

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A world in which a large percentage of Righteous Righties actively glorify and defend him. Presumably, many of them in your Right Wing media bubble.

oski003 said:

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You might be the most biased person on this forum. Definitely top two.

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It never ceases to amaze me how you can cram so much irony, projection, and general ignorance int to so few words.

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What bizarro world do you live in that makes you feel I want to glorify Chauvin?

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A world in which a large percentage of Righteous Righties actively glorify and defend him. Presumably, many of them in your Right Wing media bubble.

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You might be the most biased person on this forum. Definitely top two.

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It never ceases to amaze me how you can cram so much irony, projection, and general ignorance int to so few words.

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And you are too simple too understand that someone can refuse to buy all your stupid angry doo doo yet still not be a member of some crazy righteous righty tribe. Do better.

This is where you are wrong (well - you're wrong all the time, but I digress): I understand that such a person CAN exist. I also understand that you are not that person.

Your fake questioning, poorly framed as sincere curiosity, only furthers the impression of you as a bend the knee toady. Whether you are rushing eagerly to defend the bigger RWNJ boys on BI, or to excuse bad behavior by Republican politicians and conservative justices, your brand on this forum is well known to all.

I look forward to your whiny follow up post where you trot out your grade school debate tactics and then strut of smugly, convinced you owned the libtards again.


Moron gonna Moron.

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This is where you are wrong (well - you're wrong all the time, but I digress): I understand that such a person CAN exist. I also understand that you are not that person.

Your fake questioning, poorly framed as sincere curiosity, only furthers the impression of you as a bend the knee toady. Whether you are rushing eagerly to defend the bigger RWNJ boys on BI, or to excuse bad behavior by Republican politicians and conservative justices, your brand on this forum is well known to all.

I look forward to your whiny follow up post where you trot out your grade school debate tactics and then strut of smugly, convinced you owned the libtards again.


Moron gonna Moron.

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If posters on this board state inaccurate information on Alito (likely due to a serious misunderstanding or purposeful decit on how the law works), is asking them to explain their inaccurate information a form of fake questioning? No, it isn't. Just because you feel you are on the right side of something, doesn't mean you get to make stuff up and then justify it because the other side is bad. Grow up. You embarrass our great university.

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If posters on this board state inaccurate information on Alito

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Inaccurate according to whom? You? Your opinion is noted. Do you have facts to support your position? Perhaps you should present support for your counter argument before demanding same from others.

oski003 said:

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is asking them to explain their inaccurate information a form of fake questioning?

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Yes. If you aren't willing to first explain why you feel it is inaccurate, than all you are doing is deflecting. Third grade debate tactics - your only tool in your kit.

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If posters on this board state inaccurate information on Alito

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Inaccurate according to whom? You? Your opinion is noted. Do you have facts to support your position? Perhaps you should present support for your counter argument before demanding same from others.

oski003 said:

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is asking them to explain their inaccurate information a form of fake questioning?

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Yes. If you aren't willing to first explain why you feel it is inaccurate, than all you are doing is deflecting. Third grade debate tactics - your only tool in your kit.

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Seriously, you all think a Federal Supreme Court Justice made abortion illegal in certain states? Have you ever taken a civics course?

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Shouldn't it somewhat mitigate the police's ignoring of George Floyd's cries that he couldn't breathe if he said he couldn't breathe earlier in the arrest? Wouldn't this either help prove that either something else was keeping him from breathing or he was crying wolf about the can't breathe claims?

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It's literally the opposite. Google "eggshell rule" if you've never heard of it. You don't get to kill or injure someone and then say "but if they were stronger and healthier it wouldn't have happened or been as bad." Police are no different, as much as they--and you--would like them to be treated differently. If anything, Floyd's prior claims put Chauvin on actual notice that he had breathing issues. It made the use of MRT even more unreasonable because he posed even less of a threat. For everyone except RWNJs this video just makes the case against Chauvin stronger.

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Shouldn't it somewhat mitigate the police's ignoring of George Floyd's cries that he couldn't breathe if he said he couldn't breathe earlier in the arrest? Wouldn't this either help prove that either something else was keeping him from breathing or he was crying wolf about the can't breathe claims?

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It's literally the opposite. Google "eggshell rule" if you've never heard of it. You don't get to kill or injure someone and then say "but if they were stronger and healthier it wouldn't have happened or been as bad." Police are no different, as much as they--and you--would like them to be treated differently. If anything, Floyd's prior claims put Chauvin on actual notice that he had breathing issues. It made the use of MRT even more unreasonable because he posed even less of a threat. For everyone except RWNJs this video just makes the case against Chauvin stronger.

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A manslaughter verdict is fine. Yes, officers are duty bound to deal with an arrestee as they find them. However, before we burn apart cities, we should properly report that Floyd had a previous recent lawful arrest where he had dangerously high blood pressure after swallowing drugs to conceal them AND he had dangerous amounts of fentanyl and other drugs in his system during this arrest AND George Floyd was 6'4 225 pounds.

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Shouldn't it somewhat mitigate the police's ignoring of George Floyd's cries that he couldn't breathe if he said he couldn't breathe earlier in the arrest? Wouldn't this either help prove that either something else was keeping him from breathing or he was crying wolf about the can't breathe claims?

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It's literally the opposite. Google "eggshell rule" if you've never heard of it. You don't get to kill or injure someone and then say "but if they were stronger and healthier it wouldn't have happened or been as bad." Police are no different, as much as they--and you--would like them to be treated differently. If anything, Floyd's prior claims put Chauvin on actual notice that he had breathing issues. It made the use of MRT even more unreasonable because he posed even less of a threat. For everyone except RWNJs this video just makes the case against Chauvin stronger.

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A manslaughter verdict is fine. Yes, officers are duty bound to deal with an arrestee as they find them. However, before we burn apart cities, we should properly report that Floyd had a previous recent lawful arrest where he had dangerously high blood pressure after swallowing drugs to conceal them AND he had dangerous amounts of fentanyl and other drugs in his system during this arrest AND George Floyd was 6'4 225 pounds.

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So many dog whistles damn. Very sad and disturbing post. You should be ashamed.

WalterSobchak said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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oski003 said:

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Shouldn't it somewhat mitigate the police's ignoring of George Floyd's cries that he couldn't breathe if he said he couldn't breathe earlier in the arrest? Wouldn't this either help prove that either something else was keeping him from breathing or he was crying wolf about the can't breathe claims?

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It's literally the opposite. Google "eggshell rule" if you've never heard of it. You don't get to kill or injure someone and then say "but if they were stronger and healthier it wouldn't have happened or been as bad." Police are no different, as much as they--and you--would like them to be treated differently. If anything, Floyd's prior claims put Chauvin on actual notice that he had breathing issues. It made the use of MRT even more unreasonable because he posed even less of a threat. For everyone except RWNJs this video just makes the case against Chauvin stronger.

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A manslaughter verdict is fine. Yes, officers are duty bound to deal with an arrestee as they find them. However, before we burn apart cities, we should properly report that Floyd had a previous recent lawful arrest where he had dangerously high blood pressure after swallowing drugs to conceal them AND he had dangerous amounts of fentanyl and other drugs in his system during this arrest AND George Floyd was 6'4 225 pounds.

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So many dog whistles damn. Very sad and disturbing post. You should be ashamed.

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That says more about you than me. I certainly feel that police officers have a very tough job. Good ones make mistakes and bad ones do bad things. I certainly wish all police officers were good people that never made poor decisions.