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Perhaps, I didn't follow it all that closely. If you are implying that there was no vaccine inquisition, then I think you're wrong. There clearly was. But again, the bigger issue is, Rogers made the unpopular, correct choice. The scoffers in the press were wrong.

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He would have been better served standing by his choice from the beginning, rather than lying about it.

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He gave a misleading answer because he didn't want to risk his job and have to sit because of a stupid vax Nazi policy.

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He was never going to lose his job, that's paranoid thinking.

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Risk... He would miss multiple games because of the vax nazis.

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Perhaps, I didn't follow it all that closely. If you are implying that there was no vaccine inquisition, then I think you're wrong. There clearly was. But again, the bigger issue is, Rogers made the unpopular, correct choice. The scoffers in the press were wrong.

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He would have been better served standing by his choice from the beginning, rather than lying about it.

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The people who lied and deceived are the ones behind the creation of Covid and the vaccines and those who enforced mandates and publicly shamed others who didn't take the vax.

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Kaepernick was a mediocre QB who refused to be a backup.

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Colin Kaepernick's settlement with NFL reportedly worth less than $10m | Colin Kaepernick | The Guardian


https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/mar/21/colin-kaepernick-settlement-nfl-value-collusion

Colin Kaepernick says he's willing to be backup QB if an NFL team will give him shot at returning - ESPN


https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33761632/colin-kaepernick-says-willing-backup-qb-nfl-team-give-shot-returning

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Kaepernick was a mediocre QB who refused to be a backup. Rodgers has better QB stats than Tom Brady, who is considered the GOAT.

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Right. You're not wrong about that.

However: he was cancelled.

Aaron Rodgers was not.

Aaron Rodgers, at the age of 40, will be playing as starting QB:

Aaron Rodgers is not cancelled.

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Are you saying the NFL canceled Kaepernick? Because Nike still endorsed him even though he wasn't playing.

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Kaepernick was a mediocre QB who refused to be a backup.

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Colin Kaepernick says he's willing to be backup QB if an NFL team will give him shot at returning - ESPN

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KAEPERNICK COMPARES NFL DRAFT TO SLAVE AUCTION: Colin Kaepernick's new limited series #ColinInBlackandWhite uses imagery that compares the NFL draft to the slave trade and some are outraged — the co-hosts guest co-host #MicheleTafoya react. https://t.co/cVclFZQmjA pic.twitter.com/xYDwFyKwsz

— The View (@TheView) November 3, 2021

Colin Kaepernick also compared the NFL draft to the slave trade.

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Kaepernick was a mediocre QB who refused to be a backup.

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Colin Kaepernick's settlement with NFL reportedly worth less than $10m | Colin Kaepernick | The Guardian


https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/mar/21/colin-kaepernick-settlement-nfl-value-collusion

Colin Kaepernick says he's willing to be backup QB if an NFL team will give him shot at returning - ESPN


https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33761632/colin-kaepernick-says-willing-backup-qb-nfl-team-give-shot-returning

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He agreed to be a backup FIVE YEARS after he left the NFL. He shouldn't have refused to be a backup when he was actually playing.

Where were the signs?

HHS Secretary Becerra just issued a PREP Act declaration for bird flu. This allows the FDA Commissioner to issue EUAs for bird flu vaccines, with no liability.

The US government has ordered 4.8 million doses of bird flu from the CSL Sequirus company, produced in dog kidney…

— Robert F. Kennedy Jr (@RobertKennedyJr) July 26, 2024

It's happening again

With a case mortality rate of 52% for bird flu, the macho factor of being anti vax just got blown up exponentially.

I personally may wait to peruse the body count in a hardcore Red state before taking the plunge.

Why did the league pay him at least $5M to settle his collusion claim if it had evidence that the only reason no team in the NFL would touch him is that he refused to be a backup?

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Why did the league pay him at least $5M to settle his collusion claim if it had evidence that the only reason no team in the NFL would touch him is that he refused to be a backup?

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They didn't have evidence that the only reason no team in the NFL would touch him is that he refused to be a backup. Who made that claim?

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Why did the league pay him at least $5M to settle his collusion claim if it had evidence that the only reason no team in the NFL would touch him is that he refused to be a backup?

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They didn't have evidence that the only reason no team in the NFL would touch him is that he refused to be a backup. Who made that claim?

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My bad. I thought when you posted this:

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"Kaepernick was a mediocre QB who refused to be a backup."

…that you were suggesting it was relevant to why he wasn't playing in the NFL.

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It is relevant to why he was not playing in the NFL. Regardless of anything else, a talent like Tom Brady can get away with a lot more than a mediocre QB like Kaepernick.

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Perhaps, I didn't follow it all that closely. If you are implying that there was no vaccine inquisition, then I think you're wrong. There clearly was. But again, the bigger issue is, Rogers made the unpopular, correct choice. The scoffers in the press were wrong.

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He would have been better served standing by his choice from the beginning, rather than lying about it.

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He gave a misleading answer because he didn't want to risk his job and have to sit because of a stupid vax Nazi policy.

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He was never going to lose his job, that's paranoid thinking.

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Risk... He would miss multiple games because of the vax nazis.

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What? The NFL knew his vaccination status the whole time. They don't reveal it publicly unless something happens. He chose to lie about it, but Rodgers would have missed the same amount of time regardless.

It's not like the Packers were going to voluntarily bench their star QB for longer than they had to.

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Perhaps, I didn't follow it all that closely. If you are implying that there was no vaccine inquisition, then I think you're wrong. There clearly was. But again, the bigger issue is, Rogers made the unpopular, correct choice. The scoffers in the press were wrong.

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He would have been better served standing by his choice from the beginning, rather than lying about it.

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He gave a misleading answer because he didn't want to risk his job and have to sit because of a stupid vax Nazi policy.

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He was never going to lose his job, that's paranoid thinking.

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Risk... He would miss multiple games because of the vax nazis.

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What? The NFL knew his vaccination status the whole time. They don't reveal it publicly unless something happens. He chose to lie about it, but Rodgers would have missed the same amount of time regardless.

It's not like the Packers were going to voluntarily bench their star QB for longer than they had to.

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Are you sure about this? I am guessing he was flying under the radar, or at least trying to.

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Why did the league pay him at least $5M to settle his collusion claim if it had evidence that the only reason no team in the NFL would touch him is that he refused to be a backup?

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They didn't have evidence that the only reason no team in the NFL would touch him is that he refused to be a backup. Who made that claim?

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My bad. I thought when you posted this:

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"Kaepernick was a mediocre QB who refused to be a backup."

…that you were suggesting it was relevant to why he wasn't playing in the NFL.

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It is relevant to why he was not playing in the NFL. Regardless of anything else, a talent like Tom Brady can get away with a lot more than a mediocre QB like Kaepernick.

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So Tom Brady would have gotten away with kneeling during the National Anthem? You're probably right.
The most relevant fact as to why Kap isn't playing in the NFL is the same reason the NFL paid him $5M+ to settle a collusion claim.

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Perhaps, I didn't follow it all that closely. If you are implying that there was no vaccine inquisition, then I think you're wrong. There clearly was. But again, the bigger issue is, Rogers made the unpopular, correct choice. The scoffers in the press were wrong.

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He would have been better served standing by his choice from the beginning, rather than lying about it.

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He gave a misleading answer because he didn't want to risk his job and have to sit because of a stupid vax Nazi policy.

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He was never going to lose his job, that's paranoid thinking.

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Risk... He would miss multiple games because of the vax nazis.

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What? The NFL knew his vaccination status the whole time. They don't reveal it publicly unless something happens. He chose to lie about it, but Rodgers would have missed the same amount of time regardless.

It's not like the Packers were going to voluntarily bench their star QB for longer than they had to.

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Are you sure about this? I am guessing he was flying under the radar, or at least trying to.

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He was trying to fly under the radar in the media, but yes the NFL knew the whole time. How do I know? Because when he caught COVID the league applied the standard that would apply to unvaccinated players. That's how everyone found out he was not vaccinated.

Honestly surprised you're even arguing this point.

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Why did the league pay him at least $5M to settle his collusion claim if it had evidence that the only reason no team in the NFL would touch him is that he refused to be a backup?

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They didn't have evidence that the only reason no team in the NFL would touch him is that he refused to be a backup. Who made that claim?

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My bad. I thought when you posted this:

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"Kaepernick was a mediocre QB who refused to be a backup."

…that you were suggesting it was relevant to why he wasn't playing in the NFL.

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It is relevant to why he was not playing in the NFL. Regardless of anything else, a talent like Tom Brady can get away with a lot more than a mediocre QB like Kaepernick.

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So Tom Brady would have gotten away with kneeling during the National Anthem? You're probably right.
The most relevant fact as to why Kap isn't playing in the NFL is the same reason the NFL paid him $5M+ to settle a collusion claim.

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No football player should be wearing socks mocking the police while on the job. A mediocre one puts his job at risk in doing so, especially when asked not to. Kneeling during the anthem further draws attention to his childish antics. He should act like a professional. He is welcome to wear pig socks on his own time. As you are aware, there are many reasons to settle a lawsuit. As you are also aware, juries can nullify the law with their verdicts.

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Perhaps, I didn't follow it all that closely. If you are implying that there was no vaccine inquisition, then I think you're wrong. There clearly was. But again, the bigger issue is, Rogers made the unpopular, correct choice. The scoffers in the press were wrong.

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He would have been better served standing by his choice from the beginning, rather than lying about it.

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He gave a misleading answer because he didn't want to risk his job and have to sit because of a stupid vax Nazi policy.

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He was never going to lose his job, that's paranoid thinking.

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Risk... He would miss multiple games because of the vax nazis.

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What? The NFL knew his vaccination status the whole time. They don't reveal it publicly unless something happens. He chose to lie about it, but Rodgers would have missed the same amount of time regardless.

It's not like the Packers were going to voluntarily bench their star QB for longer than they had to.

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Are you sure about this? I am guessing he was flying under the radar, or at least trying to.

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He was trying to fly under the radar in the media, but yes the NFL knew the whole time. How do I know? Because when he caught COVID the league applied the standard that would apply to unvaccinated players. That's how everyone found out he was not vaccinated.

Honestly surprised you're even arguing this point.

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Got it. The team knew, and he was trying to fly under the radar as opposed to be stigmatized by the heckling vaccine nazis. Great.

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Perhaps, I didn't follow it all that closely. If you are implying that there was no vaccine inquisition, then I think you're wrong. There clearly was. But again, the bigger issue is, Rogers made the unpopular, correct choice. The scoffers in the press were wrong.

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He would have been better served standing by his choice from the beginning, rather than lying about it.

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He gave a misleading answer because he didn't want to risk his job and have to sit because of a stupid vax Nazi policy.

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He was never going to lose his job, that's paranoid thinking.

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Risk... He would miss multiple games because of the vax nazis.

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What? The NFL knew his vaccination status the whole time. They don't reveal it publicly unless something happens. He chose to lie about it, but Rodgers would have missed the same amount of time regardless.

It's not like the Packers were going to voluntarily bench their star QB for longer than they had to.

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Are you sure about this? I am guessing he was flying under the radar, or at least trying to.

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He was trying to fly under the radar in the media, but yes the NFL knew the whole time. How do I know? Because when he caught COVID the league applied the standard that would apply to unvaccinated players. That's how everyone found out he was not vaccinated.

Honestly surprised you're even arguing this point.

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Got it. The team knew, and he was trying to fly under the radar as opposed to be stigmatized by the heckling vaccine nazis. Great.

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Yes, and IMO he got more stigmatized than he otherwise would have because of the lie.

Not that it really affected his career prospects much. He still got a huge contract from the Jets at age 40.

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Perhaps, I didn't follow it all that closely. If you are implying that there was no vaccine inquisition, then I think you're wrong. There clearly was. But again, the bigger issue is, Rogers made the unpopular, correct choice. The scoffers in the press were wrong.

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He would have been better served standing by his choice from the beginning, rather than lying about it.

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He gave a misleading answer because he didn't want to risk his job and have to sit because of a stupid vax Nazi policy.

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He was never going to lose his job, that's paranoid thinking.

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Risk... He would miss multiple games because of the vax nazis.

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What? The NFL knew his vaccination status the whole time. They don't reveal it publicly unless something happens. He chose to lie about it, but Rodgers would have missed the same amount of time regardless.

It's not like the Packers were going to voluntarily bench their star QB for longer than they had to.

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Are you sure about this? I am guessing he was flying under the radar, or at least trying to.

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He was trying to fly under the radar in the media, but yes the NFL knew the whole time. How do I know? Because when he caught COVID the league applied the standard that would apply to unvaccinated players. That's how everyone found out he was not vaccinated.

Honestly surprised you're even arguing this point.

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Got it. The team knew, and he was trying to fly under the radar as opposed to be stigmatized by the heckling vaccine nazis. Great.

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Yes, and IMO he got more stigmatized than he otherwise would have because of the lie.

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You can't win with the vaccine nazis. It is a crusade. Awful narrow-minded folks.

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Dude, all of those rules are gone now. Let it go.

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. Thanks for kind of sort of admitting that those rules were crazy. Even if our current lying vaccine Nazi government administration won't admit they messed up and were dishonest, hopefully we will have learned from their mistakes.

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Perhaps, I didn't follow it all that closely. If you are implying that there was no vaccine inquisition, then I think you're wrong. There clearly was. But again, the bigger issue is, Rogers made the unpopular, correct choice. The scoffers in the press were wrong.

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He would have been better served standing by his choice from the beginning, rather than lying about it.

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He gave a misleading answer because he didn't want to risk his job and have to sit because of a stupid vax Nazi policy.

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He was never going to lose his job, that's paranoid thinking.

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Risk... He would miss multiple games because of the vax nazis.

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What? The NFL knew his vaccination status the whole time. They don't reveal it publicly unless something happens. He chose to lie about it, but Rodgers would have missed the same amount of time regardless.

It's not like the Packers were going to voluntarily bench their star QB for longer than they had to.

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Are you sure about this? I am guessing he was flying under the radar, or at least trying to.

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He was trying to fly under the radar in the media, but yes the NFL knew the whole time. How do I know? Because when he caught COVID the league applied the standard that would apply to unvaccinated players. That's how everyone found out he was not vaccinated.

Honestly surprised you're even arguing this point.

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Got it. The team knew, and he was trying to fly under the radar as opposed to be stigmatized by the heckling vaccine nazis. Great.

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Yes, and IMO he got more stigmatized than he otherwise would have because of the lie.

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You can't win with the vaccine nazis. It is a crusade. Awful narrow-minded folks.

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Dude, all of those rules are gone now. Let it go.

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. Thanks for kind of sort of admitting that those rules were crazy. Even if our current lying vaccine Nazi government administration won't admit they messed up and were dishonest, hopefully we will have learned from their mistakes.

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I think the rules were being made up as knowledge about the virus and/or the vaccines was changing and people were mostly just doing their best. The government should have been more straight with people, but it was hardly Nazi level by any stretch. You guys are way too obsessed with this.

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The results would have been better if we didn't have a senile elderly president advised weekly by the CEO of Pfizer while the NHI had a financial stake in Moderna while the FDA head had a job offer waiting at Moderna's biotech seed fund after forcing the FDA vaccine chief to resign over the safety of the vaccine on kids. The evidence was there. It was just ignored, seemingly purposely.

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Perhaps, I didn't follow it all that closely. If you are implying that there was no vaccine inquisition, then I think you're wrong. There clearly was. But again, the bigger issue is, Rogers made the unpopular, correct choice. The scoffers in the press were wrong.

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He would have been better served standing by his choice from the beginning, rather than lying about it.

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He gave a misleading answer because he didn't want to risk his job and have to sit because of a stupid vax Nazi policy.

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He was never going to lose his job, that's paranoid thinking.

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Risk... He would miss multiple games because of the vax nazis.

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What? The NFL knew his vaccination status the whole time. They don't reveal it publicly unless something happens. He chose to lie about it, but Rodgers would have missed the same amount of time regardless.

It's not like the Packers were going to voluntarily bench their star QB for longer than they had to.

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Are you sure about this? I am guessing he was flying under the radar, or at least trying to.

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He was trying to fly under the radar in the media, but yes the NFL knew the whole time. How do I know? Because when he caught COVID the league applied the standard that would apply to unvaccinated players. That's how everyone found out he was not vaccinated.

Honestly surprised you're even arguing this point.

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Got it. The team knew, and he was trying to fly under the radar as opposed to be stigmatized by the heckling vaccine nazis. Great.

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Yes, and IMO he got more stigmatized than he otherwise would have because of the lie.

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You can't win with the vaccine nazis. It is a crusade. Awful narrow-minded folks.

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Dude, all of those rules are gone now. Let it go.

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. Thanks for kind of sort of admitting that those rules were crazy. Even if our current lying vaccine Nazi government administration won't admit they messed up and were dishonest, hopefully we will have learned from their mistakes.

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I think the rules were being made up as knowledge about the virus and/or the vaccines was changing and people were mostly just doing their best. The government should have been more straight with people, but it was hardly Nazi level by any stretch. You guys are way too obsessed with this.

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The results would have been better if we didn't have a senile elderly president advised weekly by the CEO of Pfizer while the NHI had a financial stake in Moderna while the FDA head had a job offer waiting at Moderna's biotech seed fund after forcing the FDA vaccine chief to resign over the safety of the vaccine on kids. The evidence was there. It was just ignored, seemingly purposely.

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Ummm ... You do realize that the Covid vaccine was developed under Trump's watch? YES. AND IT WAS AN EXCELLENT DEVELOPMENT THAT SAVED LIVES.

Wait a minute. Senile? Elderly? YES, SENILE AND ELDERLY.

Nevermind. SURE, WHATEVER.

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Answers above in caps.

How quickly we forget. Vaccine Nazis were ubiquitous on MSM and social media. The anti-vaxxer rants were constant; vaccine hesitant were told they shouldn't be allowed to shop, dine, wouldn't be treated at hospitals. They were insulted and ridiculed constantly by regime officials, health "experts", media personalities, and random authoritarians on the internet.
Forgive and move on? Yes. Forget? Never.

I'm not sure why Trump still likes to take credit for the vaccines. He was not well-advised at the time, and now that we know more about the vaccines and the corners that were cut to get them to market, he should distance himself from them. It's not a political winner for him anyway.

But the big problem with the vaccines has always been twofold.
1. They were oversold. They said the vaccines prevented transmission. That was a lie. They also made many claims about safety and efficacy that have proved to be completely untrue.
2. The mandates.

Trump had nothing to do with either one of these problems.

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Perhaps, I didn't follow it all that closely. If you are implying that there was no vaccine inquisition, then I think you're wrong. There clearly was. But again, the bigger issue is, Rogers made the unpopular, correct choice. The scoffers in the press were wrong.

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He would have been better served standing by his choice from the beginning, rather than lying about it.

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He gave a misleading answer because he didn't want to risk his job and have to sit because of a stupid vax Nazi policy.

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He was never going to lose his job, that's paranoid thinking.

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I don't think it was paranoid at all. See Novak / Australian Open just for one very public example.

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His career is still doing fine too.

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That's not the point. He stood by his choice, and for that he was expelled from the tournament and the country. It's pretty analogous.

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How quickly we forget. Vaccine Nazis were ubiquitous on MSM and social media. The anti-vaxxer rants were constant; vaccine hesitant were told they shouldn't be allowed to shop, dine, wouldn't be treated at hospitals. They were insulted and ridiculed constantly by regime officials, health "experts", media personalities, and random authoritarians on the internet.
Forgive and move on? Yes. Forget? Never.

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I saw those people too and disagreed with them at times (especially when it came to reopening schools). Nazis though? I think it was just a public argument happening in a free society and things changed as circumstances and opinions changed. The Nazis did not allow such arguments.

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Perhaps, I didn't follow it all that closely. If you are implying that there was no vaccine inquisition, then I think you're wrong. There clearly was. But again, the bigger issue is, Rogers made the unpopular, correct choice. The scoffers in the press were wrong.

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He would have been better served standing by his choice from the beginning, rather than lying about it.

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He gave a misleading answer because he didn't want to risk his job and have to sit because of a stupid vax Nazi policy.

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He was never going to lose his job, that's paranoid thinking.

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I don't think it was paranoid at all. See Novak / Australian Open just for one very public example.

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His career is still doing fine too.

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Novak lost a chance to win three major tournaments that he was a heavy favorite for. Now, he is older and young guns have caught up. This effects his record and legacy and may prevent him from being the best tennis player ever. Serena and Federer are grateful.