Vaccine Redux - Vax up and go to Class

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Cal88
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Brand-approved study of the mechanism of mRNA vaccines causing myocarditis:

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2025/12/myocarditis-vaccine-covid.html

Cal88
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Zippergate
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This one is important. The author is saying that it is the mRNA platform, not the Covid vaccines in particular, that is the problem. And every jab increases the risk. They are rolling out mRNA vaccines for all kinds of viruses like RSV. Imagine getting a jab to lessen the symptoms of the common cold and getting myocarditis. Great tradeoff.
calpoly
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Cal88 said:

Careful there with the all italics response, pretty soon you're going to post random pictures of golf courses and yoga brunettes...

Says the one that continually posts lies on this board.
Cal88
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The spike proteins themselves are toxic, so there is an additional element of risk with the mRNA covid vaccine. These spike proteins do not decompose easily and can cross the blood-brain barrier and behave like the proteins that cause BSE (mad cow disease) or certain neurological ailments caused by the tau protein (Alzheimer and parkinsonian diseases like PSP, CBD).
Cal88
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calpoly said:

Cal88 said:

Careful there with the all italics response, pretty soon you're going to post random pictures of golf courses and yoga brunettes...

Says the one that continually posts lies on this board.


That is a wild exaggeration, I do take breaks from time to time.
calpoly
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Zippergate said:

" Show me the safety data on MMR shots (or ANY of the vaccines on the schedule) tested against an inert placebo over a meaningful period of time and we can begin to talk about risk-benefit."

Why don't you do you figure this out yourself? You are the one railing against vaccines.

Wait, what? We don't have anything resembling reasonable safety data on any of the vaccines but hey, that's okay because vaccines are SAFE AND EFFECTIVE. You can't question that because vaccines are SAFE AND EFFECTIVE and if you do you are a wingnut who is creating vaccine hesitancy. Did I get that right?

MAHA is about data and transparency. We have neither and some people don't even seem to understand why that is important. Clown world.

"We don't have anything resembling reasonable safety data on any of the vaccines but hey, that's okay because vaccines are SAFE AND EFFECTIVE. "

What a bunch of crap. As I understand it, you are not intelligent enough to figure out how to perform a Google search, so you are a rather hopeless case. You can continue living in your anti-vaccine bubble and chasing your favorite influencers. Good day.
Zippergate
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What a bunch of crap. As I understand it, you are not intelligent enough to figure out how to perform a Google search, so you are a rather hopeless case. You can continue living in your anti-vaccine bubble and chasing your favorite influencers. Good day.

Nice personal attacks there. How about you do some primary research instead of relying on Google's wildly biased search results. Read or watch Siri's deposition of Plotkin or his recent testimony in front of the ACIP. I don't think you have any idea what the real facts are. But by all means, prove me wrong by presenting long-term, inert placebo-controlled RCT data from any vaccine on the schedule.
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movielover
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Who's the toolbag in the tank top?
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Quote:

Who's the toolbag in the tank top?

He's okaydo's homeboy.
Eastern Oregon Bear
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PAC-10-BEAR said:



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Who's the toolbag in the tank top?

He's okaydo's homeboy.
Gratuitous potshots at people who haven't posted to this thread in a LONG time that have no repercussions is one reason why I'm posting here less. It's just tiresome.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Gratuitous potshots at people who haven't posted to this thread in a LONG time that have no repercussions is one reason why I'm posting here less. It's just tiresome.

He's my homeboy then. Don't go, I beg you..
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:



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Who's the toolbag in the tank top?

He's okaydo's homeboy.

Gratuitous potshots at people who haven't posted to this thread in a LONG time that have no repercussions is one reason why I'm posting here less. It's just tiresome.

Eastern Oregon Bear
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I see we have more evidence that some of you continue to have problems with reading comprehension.
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Unity over division.
movielover
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Another idiot.

sycasey
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smh
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> The U.S. has surpassed 2,000 measles cases for the first time in more than 30 years, according to data from the CDC.

to the toxic loser temporarily stink'n up the white house.. tnx for nothing
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smh said:

> The U.S. has surpassed 2,000 measles cases for the first time in more than 30 years, according to data from the CDC.

to the toxic loser temporarily stink'n up the white house.. tnx for nothing

Have all the fresh new illegals from the last four years been vaccinated?
Zippergate
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Here we ago again. There's a measles outbreak so therefore what?
First, if you are so concerned about measles, go get the shot for you and yours. Knock yourself out; MAHA isn't stopping you. Choice and transparency. You're against this? If public health is your concern, what does it say about your trusted health authorities who have overseen an explosion in chronic disease in America on top of the highest healthcare costs in the world? MAHA is actually doing something about it.
Second, why is it that these articles about measles never tell you that the there are breakthrough and vaccine-induced cases of measles? The outbreak in Samoa a few years ago was almost certainly vaccine-induced.
Third, look up vaccine rates from the 1980s. Much lower than even today. Was there a measles hysteria then? Look at death rates and hospitalizations from the last hundred years. Sorry, vaccines can't claim credit for the big drop contrary to all the propaganda.
Fourth, where is the risk-benefit for any of the vaccines? There isn't any. Your vaccine advocates assume both the efficacy and the safety and demand that public take their word for it. That isn't science. And btw, did you know that there are numerous benefits from having a measles infection? Really. The immune system is a heckuva lot more complicated than the experts make it out to be. I'm not saying measles prevention is a bad thing or that all vaccines should be banned, but the level of discourse on vaccines pathetically shallow and this is intentional. How about some common sense?

https://substack.com/home/post/p-159592436

https://jonfleetwood.substack.com/p/they-cant-tell-if-measles-infection

sycasey
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RFK Jr. worked to convince the Samoans not to take the measles vaccine, that's a big part of what happened there.

Now he's the HHS secretary.
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movielover
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Tracking autism rates will hopefully be done.
Cal88
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Panic over a dozen measles cases somewhere in the US, and nothing to see there when there are hundreds of thousands of kids becoming autistic.



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In 2023, the DDS system hit several alarming new milestones:

[ol]
  • Even as California's population shrank in 2023, the DDS autism caseload hit an all-time high of more than 177,400, a staggering increase when you consider that statewide DDS counted only about 3,000 cases in the 1980s. This is a nearly 6,000%, or 60-fold, increase (Figure 1).
  • In 2023, 17,563 DDS new autism cases were added in 2023, a one-year onboarding about equal the entire DDS autism caseload as it existed in 2001. The 2023 DDS autism caseload increased a whopping 11% over 2022.
  • The DDS autism caseload nearly doubled over just 7 years. The autism caseload was about 90,000 is 2016.
  • [/ol]

    https://www.ncsautism.org/blog//californias-autism-population-soars-to-new-heights-hits-alarming-milestones


    Pumping millions of babies with neurotoxic agents like aluminum and mercury in order to prevent a few cases of a common infection has its consequences.
    movielover
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    What grade do you give RFK Jr so far?
    Cal88
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    Not sure how much leeway he really has with people like Susie Wiles in charge of the Trump administration.
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    Cal88 said:

    Panic over a dozen measles cases somewhere in the US, and nothing to see there when there are hundreds of thousands of kids becoming autistic.



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    In 2023, the DDS system hit several alarming new milestones:

    [ol]
  • Even as California's population shrank in 2023, the DDS autism caseload hit an all-time high of more than 177,400, a staggering increase when you consider that statewide DDS counted only about 3,000 cases in the 1980s. This is a nearly 6,000%, or 60-fold, increase (Figure 1).
  • In 2023, 17,563 DDS new autism cases were added in 2023, a one-year onboarding about equal the entire DDS autism caseload as it existed in 2001. The 2023 DDS autism caseload increased a whopping 11% over 2022.
  • The DDS autism caseload nearly doubled over just 7 years. The autism caseload was about 90,000 is 2016.
  • [/ol]

    https://www.ncsautism.org/blog//californias-autism-population-soars-to-new-heights-hits-alarming-milestones


    Pumping millions of babies with neurotoxic agents like aluminum and mercury in order to prevent a few cases of a common infection has its consequences.

    100%. The selective outrage is telling.
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    sycasey said:

    RFK Jr. worked to convince the Samoans not to take the measles vaccine, that's a big part of what happened there.

    Now he's the HHS secretary.

    I posted a story about Samoa some time ago and it made a very compelling case that the outbreak was vaccine-induced and a consequence of malnutrition. But I'm guessing that you didn't know about vaccine-induced measles or the role that malnutrition plays in it so I'm not at all surprised that you are propagating the gaslit narrative yet again.
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    movielover said:

    Tracking autism rates will hopefully be done.

    Cal88
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    sycasey said:

    movielover said:

    Tracking autism rates will hopefully be done.




    That's plain dumb. If it was an issue with diagnostics, you wouldn't have had the kind of very high and steady rise in autism cases.

    Misdiagnosis was the argument people were making 20 years ago when autism cases already were rising parabolically. You're making the argument that autism diagnosis is twice as good in 2023 than it was in 2017, which is preposterous. Autism was already a huge issue well before 2017.

    It's just amazing how far people will twist themselves into nonsensical arguments when their sacred cows are being challenged.
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    Cal88 said:

    sycasey said:

    movielover said:

    Tracking autism rates will hopefully be done.




    That's plain dumb. If it was an issue with diagnostics, you wouldn't have had the kind of very high and steady rise in autism cases.

    Misdiagnosis was the argument people were making 20 years ago when autism cases already were rising parabolically. You're making the argument that autism diagnosis is twice as good in 2023 than it was in 2017, which is preposterous. Autism was already a huge issue well before 2017.

    It's just amazing how far people will twist themselves into nonsensical arguments when their sacred cows are being challenged.

    The definition of autism has changed over time. It's a lot more expansive now. People can disagree with that, but it has nothing to do with vaccines.
    Cal88
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    sycasey said:

    Cal88 said:

    sycasey said:

    movielover said:

    Tracking autism rates will hopefully be done.




    That's plain dumb. If it was an issue with diagnostics, you wouldn't have had the kind of very high and steady rise in autism cases.

    Misdiagnosis was the argument people were making 20 years ago when autism cases already were rising parabolically. You're making the argument that autism diagnosis is twice as good in 2023 than it was in 2017, which is preposterous. Autism was already a huge issue well before 2017.

    It's just amazing how far people will twist themselves into nonsensical arguments when their sacred cows are being challenged.

    The definition of autism has changed over time. It's a lot more expansive now. People can disagree with that, but it has nothing to do with vaccines.


    The data completely contradicts that theory. If the huge explosion in autism cases were due to a change in definition, you would have seen a very large one-time step-like increase immediately following the change in methodology/standards, not the gradual, smooth, parabolic steady year to year increase that the data shows:



    I think you're smart enough to understand this, any unbiased and fairly intelligent observer will come to that same conclusion.
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    sycasey
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    Cal88 said:

    sycasey said:

    Cal88 said:

    sycasey said:

    movielover said:

    Tracking autism rates will hopefully be done.




    That's plain dumb. If it was an issue with diagnostics, you wouldn't have had the kind of very high and steady rise in autism cases.

    Misdiagnosis was the argument people were making 20 years ago when autism cases already were rising parabolically. You're making the argument that autism diagnosis is twice as good in 2023 than it was in 2017, which is preposterous. Autism was already a huge issue well before 2017.

    It's just amazing how far people will twist themselves into nonsensical arguments when their sacred cows are being challenged.

    The definition of autism has changed over time. It's a lot more expansive now. People can disagree with that, but it has nothing to do with vaccines.


    The data completely contradicts that theory. If the huge explosion in autism cases were due to a change in definition, you would have seen a very large one-time step-like increase immediately following the change in methodology/standards, not the gradual, smooth, parabolic steady year to year increase that the data shows:

    You don't think that it might take time for new standards to gradually be accepted by doctors on the ground? I do.

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