Vaccine Redux - Vax up and go to Class

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Cal88
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^That's garbage. I thought you guys were into peer-reviewed studies. This is just one pundit engaging in mathematical punditry. He states that "0% of the rise in autism diagnoses is due to autism becoming more common", which any honest older pediatrician or school teacher would laugh at.
sycasey
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Cal88 said:

^That's garbage. I thought you guys were into peer-reviewed studies. This is just one pundit engaging in mathematical punditry. He states that "0% of the rise in autism diagnoses is due to autism becoming more common", which any honest older pediatrician or school teacher would laugh at.


Well, I posted the study and you rejected that as well. Seems like you just want to believe vaccines cause autism.
Cal88
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sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

^That's garbage. I thought you guys were into peer-reviewed studies. This is just one pundit engaging in mathematical punditry. He states that "0% of the rise in autism diagnoses is due to autism becoming more common", which any honest older pediatrician or school teacher would laugh at.


Well, I posted the study and you rejected that as well. Seems like you just want to believe vaccines cause autism.


That would be a more valid statement than claiming that autism cases have not increased and the massive recorded increases are merely a result of bad diagnoses.
sycasey
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Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

^That's garbage. I thought you guys were into peer-reviewed studies. This is just one pundit engaging in mathematical punditry. He states that "0% of the rise in autism diagnoses is due to autism becoming more common", which any honest older pediatrician or school teacher would laugh at.


Well, I posted the study and you rejected that as well. Seems like you just want to believe vaccines cause autism.


That would be a more valid statement than claiming that autism cases have not increased and the massive recorded increases are merely a result of bad diagnoses.

"Bad diagnoses" are not the claim. Expansion of the diagnostic criteria for autism is. This has definitely happened. More people are being put on the "spectrum" than there used to be.
Zippergate
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The definition of autism has changed over time. It's a lot more expansive now. People can disagree with that, but it has nothing to do with vaccines.

It's easy for you to say that. Try telling that to the parent of an ASD child. Your casual, callous dismissal of their suffering is quite frankly disgusting.
sycasey
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Zippergate said:

The definition of autism has changed over time. It's a lot more expansive now. People can disagree with that, but it has nothing to do with vaccines.

It's easy for you to say that. Try telling that to the parent of an ASD child. Your casual, callous dismissal of their suffering is quite frankly disgusting.

I am a parent of an autistic child.
Zippergate
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You have my sympathies. Not too severe, I hope. But I stand by my statement. Are we supposed to pretend that there hasn't been an explosion in allergies, asthma, ADHD, diabetes, speech disorders, developmental disabilities, etc as well? I guess we don't need MAHA because Americans are just as healthy as they've always been.

Vaccines may not be the only cause but they are certainly a major cause and that has been demonstrated in many studies posted to this board. But you or anyone else are welcome to prove me wrong.

Watch the Siri deposition of Plotkin, the godfather of vaccines. Ask yourself if Plotkin's answers line up with the Narrative everyone is required to believe without question.
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sycasey
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Not too severe. He is verbal but also clearly "different" from his peers and a bit developmentally behind.

It's because I have autism in my family (growing up I had a first cousin who was diagnosed some 30 years ago, so I know about how the diagnostic criteria have changed) that I'm actually offended at this idea that vaccines cause it. I've looked into this for years. The evidence isn't there. It's all cherry-picking and debunked nonsense. To try to solve a non-existent thing we now have people choosing to expose themselves to potentially much deadlier diseases. It is obscene.
Zippergate
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The research I've read suggests that there is a genetic component which makes some more susceptible to ASD, but this alone cannot explain the ASD epidemic; without an environmental trigger of some sort, this predisposition is unlikely to result in ASD. This is why the narrative has shifted and they no longer make the genetic argument anymore.

I know dozens of parents of children with moderate to severe ASD and I bet every one of them would trade their child's ASD for a bout of measles, pertussis, etc, let alone the potential for diseases like Hep B where the risk can be stratified and controlled.
sycasey
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Zippergate said:

I know dozens of parents of children with moderate to severe ASD and I bet every one of them would trade their child's ASD for a bout of measles, pertussis, etc, let alone the potential for diseases like Hep B where the risk can be stratified and controlled.

I'm sure they would, but they can't. It doesn't work that way.

Zippergate
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Regarding the diagnostic drift, the question isn't whether it's happening, it's whether it can explain the huge increase in ASD diagnoses. It can't and there are explanations with far more explanatory power.

https://www.thefocalpoints.com/p/new-study-infant-vaccine-intensity

As for the youtube video, this is very surface-level and straw man's the anti-vax case.
She cites the Wakefield case and makes a big deal about the payments he received indicating a conflict of interest. Interesting. I must have missed the part in her video where she revealed her own conflicts. In all likelihood, she is receiving very large bonuses for hitting vaccination rate targets across her patient pool. Furthermore, her entire practice is predicated on the patient visits that would never happen if not for the vaccine schedule which requires them. But getting back to Wakefield, throw him out if you like. That doesn't help you with Verstraeten or Thompson. You can't gloss over the tip of the iceberg and pretend that the rest of the iceberg doesn't exist.

She cites a few studies which she claims prove that vaccines don't cause autism. Actually, many of these studies have been completely debunked.

https://www.trialsitenews.com/a/flawed-science-bought-conclusions-the-aluminum-vaccine-study-the-media-wont-question-aaec2793

https://substack.com/home/post/p-179856514

Also, since this video was put out, the CDC put out a news release acknowledging that there is insufficient evidence to make the claim that vaccines don't cause autism and the previous such claims were unfounded.

And she fails to fails to address the numerous studies which do show a positive link, especially the vaccinated-unvaccinated population studies.



Over and over again, it's the same modus operandi from the vaccine industry apologists: overstating the benefits of vaccines, failing to disclose conflicts, cherry-picking, straw-manning and ignoring the mechanisms of action which prove a link between vaccination and not only autism but SIDS, allergies, etc.

https://popularrationalism.substack.com/p/johns-hopkins-continues-to-mislead

No one gets it right all the time. But when a supposed authority repeatedly uses easily refutable arguments that have been called out numerous times, at what point does one cease to view that authority as credible?
movielover
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The Hill: RFK Jr., CDC, in seismic shift, reduce number of recommended vaccines for children

"The CDC will now recommend children receive 11 vaccines, rather than the current list of 17, putting it line with the much smaller country of Denmark.

"The CDC said it will recommend all children are vaccinated against diseases "for which there is international consensus." "

"...The HHS assessment of 20 other developed nations found the U.S. is a "global outlier among developed nations in both the number of diseases addressed in its routine childhood vaccination schedule and the total number of recommended doses." "

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5673251-cdc-reduces-childhood-vaccines/

MAHA
Zippergate
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More winning...

https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/breaking-federal-government-will


"In a Dec. 30, 2025, memo to state health officials, the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services said it "does not tie payment to performance on immunization quality measures in Medicaid and CHIP at the federal level." U.S. Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said the new policy protects medical freedom and informed consent."

The federal government will stop paying physicians based on the number of patients they vaccinate, and is urging state health agencies to stop using similar financial incentives.
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""Parents have complained for years that financial incentives distort medical judgment, leading to high-pressure tactics around childhood vaccinations. Some say doctors push shots parents believe are unnecessary or unsafe. Others report being dismissed from pediatric practices altogether if they decline vaccines," Sherman wrote.
According to Sherman, the system of financial incentives for vaccinating children "could be surprisingly lucrative." She cited CMS data showing that the agency paid physicians about $45 for each dose of the COVID-19 vaccine administered to a child through Medicare.
"Administer the shot at home, and that came with another $40. All told, a doctor could earn around $85 for a single COVID-19 shot, with the shot itself supplied at no cost by the federal government," Sherman wrote.
"Roughly half of doctors" are beneficiaries of these incentives, "known as value-based contracts." "They reward physicians with lump-sum payments for hitting specific metrics, such as vaccination rates. Because those rates are calculated as percentages, doctors who want to keep their numbers high sometimes avoid seeing unvaccinated children altogether."
Pressure on physicians to accept such financial incentives is strong, according to a 2021 paper co-authored by Lyons-Weiler and Dr. Paul Thomas, published in the International Journal of Vaccine Theory, Practice, and Research.
According to Lyons-Weiler, that paper, based on a 30-day billing analysis at a large pediatric practice in Oregon, "where informed consent is genuinely respected," showed that "refusal of CDC-scheduled vaccines by patients resulted in projected annual losses exceeding one million dollars in one practice primarily from forgone administrative fees."
"This was not hypothetical. It was a documented, measurable penalty for practicing medicine with integrity," Lyons-Weiler wrote."
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