going4roses said:

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"A challenge to ALL the Rittenhouse trolls. Name for me 3 times that a Wisconsin judge has allowed a defendant to select which jurors get excluded from deliberation.
Schroeder's been on the bench 40 years, when has he EVER done this before?"

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Can you provide more context? What does a judge excluding a juror actually mean? You post 2-3 tik Tok videos a day, so I generally don't watch them. Can you please use your words?

going4roses said:

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"A challenge to ALL the Rittenhouse trolls. Name for me 3 times that a Wisconsin judge has allowed a defendant to select which jurors get excluded from deliberation.
Schroeder's been on the bench 40 years, when has he EVER done this before?"

Answer away …

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https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM8baxqwg/

Apparently the prosecutors are a bunch of corrupt azzwipes, hope they get disbarred. They gave the defense a crappy low res version of the video their prosecution is based around, and kept a high def version to themselves.

🚨BREAKING NEW MOTION: Kenosha prosecutors WITHELD VIDEO EVIDENCE from Kyle Rittenhouse Defense Team pic.twitter.com/pqk86hhqqu

— Jacek Posobiec 🇺🇸🇵🇱 (@JackPosobiec) November 17, 2021

ALERT: @JackPosobiec reporting two jurors are holding up the #Rittenhouse decision, citing backlash, per US Marshal in Kenosha.

— Election Wizard (@ElectionWiz) November 16, 2021

Breaking: jurors are being threatened

— George Papadopoulos (@GeorgePapa19) November 16, 2021

Totally not a racist judge. Our institutions definitely aren't biased.

Judge Schroeder in the Kyle Rittenhouse case just referred to a black person as “A black. The black.” pic.twitter.com/2WXFeKV5bb

— maxx thee arnold (@ArnoldMaxx) November 17, 2021

Unit2Sucks said:

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Totally not a racist judge. Our institutions definitely aren't biased.

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Bruce Schroeder, 75, has a been a judge for 38 years. Until 2 weeks ago, almost nobody outside Wisconsin heard of him. Based on a few snippets spread online, the national media created a consensus that he's a hardened racist, bigot and white supremacist.https://t.co/73Yqtdddrd

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) November 17, 2021

Ama Kasparian of the Young Turks sides with Kyle Rittenhouse and in the words of Glen Greenwald, "sh8t-libs pretend not to notice, OF COURSE.".

Bricks once again seem to show up at the right moment when a riot is fixing to kick off. Pisses me off 💯 pic.twitter.com/lT1xANJyop

— Restricted Daily (@Restricted1900) November 17, 2021

It's not a problem, BF.
Just find him guilty!

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going4roses said:

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"A challenge to ALL the Rittenhouse trolls. Name for me 3 times that a Wisconsin judge has allowed a defendant to select which jurors get excluded from deliberation.
Schroeder's been on the bench 40 years, when has he EVER done this before?"

Answer away …

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Can you provide more context? What does a judge excluding a juror actually mean? You post 2-3 tik Tok videos a day, so I generally don't watch them. Can you please use your words?

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Yeah, I have to say, I don't click on links either.
Surfing needs to be made easy. Youtube embeds. Can tiktoks? I don't think so.

I need to ask BG or Moraga about that .

In case anyone is wondering, this is how you are treated when you exercise self-defense as a black woman in Georgia.

The jury was told that she brought the abuse upon herself because she liked "bad boys." It was a travesty, and the judge did something quote rare. He granted her a new trial because he believed she was not guilty. /2 pic.twitter.com/I7kLsjyBVD

— Andrew Fleischman (@ASFleischman) November 16, 2021

The opinion documents the serious abuse she faced:

/4https://t.co/in9GfMpQD2 pic.twitter.com/EPC2s85PKY

— Andrew Fleischman (@ASFleischman) November 16, 2021

So then the State goes and REPROSECUTED THE WOMAN AFTER THE JUDGE SAID HE WOULD GRANT AN IMMUNITY MOTION.

And they lose.

And they appeal again, claiming that the judge abused his discretion by relying on the sworn testimony at trial to find she acted in self-defense. /6 pic.twitter.com/ev3t4SEvIu

— Andrew Fleischman (@ASFleischman) November 16, 2021

And I have to add that Justice Warren is incredibly kind and civil to litigants so the bench-slap she delivers here is both rare and astonishingly well-earned. /8

— Andrew Fleischman (@ASFleischman) November 16, 2021

As far as I know, Hamilton, who spent years in prison for protecting herself from an abusive rapist, has never sought compensation for that time.

I hope we figure out a way to give it to her. /f

— Andrew Fleischman (@ASFleischman) November 16, 2021

Unit2, what do you think of the issue of the defense being provided a lower resolution version of the drone video. The process of discovery is incredibly important to the defense. In your opinion, is the video issue:
- Not material
- Worthy of a mistrial
- Worthy of a mistrial with prejudice (it would be hard to convince me of this)
- Something else

Thanks in advance

MSNBC has just been banned from the court because a reporter for MSNBC was arrested last night for following the juror bus. bwhahahahah He also received a citation for going thru a red light.

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Unit2, what do you think of the issue of the defense being provided a lower resolution version of the drone video. The process of discovery is incredibly important to the defense. In your opinion, is the video issue:
- Not material
- Worthy of a mistrial
- Worthy of a mistrial with prejudice (it would be hard to convince me of this)
- Something else

Thanks in advance

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A couple of thoughts.

First, the facts. It sounds like the drone footage came to the prosecutors after the trial started. That's pretty unusual and may have been a reason to exclude it. The prosecutors then tried to airdrop it to the defense but the defense counsel had Android phones so they couldn't do it that way. Instead they emailed from their iPhone which automatically compressed the video.

So I don't think it's fair to characterize this as some sort of intentional attempt to provide inferior footage to hamstring the defense. On the other hand, video footage is commonly used and there are norms that are typically adhered to, which they didn't do here. Likely because of the timing.

I won't address the technical legal aspects because I'm not a criminal defense lawyer in Wisconsin and haven't researched the law. I'm also not knowledgeable enough about why the judge allowed the footage to be used and whether the defense tried to strike it originally because it came in late. From a "justice" standpoint, I would want to know whether the defense was really disadvantaged by the compression. What were they unable to see from the video footage they received? Without having seen the evidence, I have a hard time believing the compression in and of itself was a difference maker in this trial because I don't remember anyone saying the drone footage was critical to the prosecution's case.

I'm honestly a bit surprised that the defense would want to risk a new trial given how slanted the trial has been in their favor. I understand why they would want a mistrial with prejudice because that's as good as an acquittal, but risking a whole new trial is iffy. The prosecution didn't exactly do a perfect job and they may want to have a do over if they could.

😂😂😂😂 pic.twitter.com/N5WukwYO7m

— Blak Up In Yah (@blakupinyah) November 17, 2021

going4roses said:

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😂😂😂😂 pic.twitter.com/N5WukwYO7m

— Blak Up In Yah (@blakupinyah) November 17, 2021

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For those who don't know, the kid and his neglectful mother went to a bar together after his not guilty plea.

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Prosecutors are seeking to modify the bond agreement of Kyle Rittenhouse the teen charged with killing two people during protests in Kenosha, Wisconsin, last summer after they said he flashed white power signs and was "loudly serenaded" the Proud Boys' anthem at a bar.

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According to prosecutors, the request came after Rittenhouse was spotted with his mother at a local bar in Mount Pleasant, Wisconsin, on Jan. 5 the same day he pleaded not guilty to felony homicide charges and other crimes in connection to the killing of two protesters and injuring one other.

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At Pudgy's Pub, Rittenhouse was seen wearing a T-shirt with the words, "Free as F***," while flashing the "OK" sign a gesture that has been co-opted by known white supremacist groups, the motion said. In his 90-minute visit to the bar, which was captured on security footage, the teen was seen consuming alcohol while being serenaded by a group of adult men who sang the Proud Boys' anthem, according to the motion.

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But sure, deplorables will tell us there is no reason to believe the kid is racist.

He also said ""Brah, I wish I had my ****ing AR. I'd start shooting rounds at them" on video talking about shoplifters a few weeks prior to his murder rampage but the judge wouldn't let them show the video at trial.

Unit2Sucks said:

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going4roses said:

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😂😂😂😂 pic.twitter.com/N5WukwYO7m

— Blak Up In Yah (@blakupinyah) November 17, 2021

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For those who don't know, the kid and his neglectful mother went to a bar together after his not guilty plea.

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Prosecutors are seeking to modify the bond agreement of Kyle Rittenhouse the teen charged with killing two people during protests in Kenosha, Wisconsin, last summer after they said he flashed white power signs and was "loudly serenaded" the Proud Boys' anthem at a bar.

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According to prosecutors, the request came after Rittenhouse was spotted with his mother at a local bar in Mount Pleasant, Wisconsin, on Jan. 5 the same day he pleaded not guilty to felony homicide charges and other crimes in connection to the killing of two protesters and injuring one other.

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At Pudgy's Pub, Rittenhouse was seen wearing a T-shirt with the words, "Free as F***," while flashing the "OK" sign a gesture that has been co-opted by known white supremacist groups, the motion said. In his 90-minute visit to the bar, which was captured on security footage, the teen was seen consuming alcohol while being serenaded by a group of adult men who sang the Proud Boys' anthem, according to the motion.

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But sure, deplorables will tell us there is no reason to believe the kid is racist.

He also said ""Brah, I wish I had my ****ing AR. I'd start shooting rounds at them" on video talking about shoplifters a few weeks prior to his murder rampage but the judge wouldn't let them show the video at trial.

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That Judge is leaning hard on the scales for the murderer.

MinotStateBeav said:

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MSNBC has just been banned from the court because a reporter for MSNBC was arrested last night for following the juror bus. bwhahahahah He also received a citation for going thru a red light.

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Establishment Republican organizations like MSNBC always think they are above the law.

MinotStateBeav said:

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MSNBC has just been banned from the court because a reporter for MSNBC was arrested last night for following the juror bus. bwhahahahah He also received a citation for going thru a red light.

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MSNBC crossed state lines? lol.

MSNBC producer Irene Byon just deleted both her Twitter and Linkedin accounts.

— 🇺🇸 Lowkey Rey 2.0 🇺🇸 (@AtlRey) November 18, 2021

MSNBC's statement tried to make it appear as if it were just some random coincidence that he got a "traffic infraction". He was following the van and ran a red light to keep up. This whole thing is a clown show:

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NBC News statement: "Last night, a freelancer received a traffic citation. While the traffic violation took place near the jury van, the freelancer never contacted or intended to contact the jurors during deliberations, and never photographed or intended to photograph them"

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MinotStateBeav said:

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MSNBC has just been banned from the court because a reporter for MSNBC was arrested last night for following the juror bus. bwhahahahah He also received a citation for going thru a red light.

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Who cares?
Rittenhouse still shot these people foolishly.

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MinotStateBeav said:

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MSNBC has just been banned from the court because a reporter for MSNBC was arrested last night for following the juror bus. bwhahahahah He also received a citation for going thru a red light.

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Who cares?
Rittenhouse still shot these people foolishly.

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Alec Baldwin shot people foolishly.

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MinotStateBeav said:

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MSNBC has just been banned from the court because a reporter for MSNBC was arrested last night for following the juror bus. bwhahahahah He also received a citation for going thru a red light.

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MSNBC crossed state lines? lol.

MSNBC producer Irene Byon just deleted both her Twitter and Linkedin accounts.

— 🇺🇸 Lowkey Rey 2.0 🇺🇸 (@AtlRey) November 18, 2021

MSNBC's statement tried to make it appear as if it were just some random coincidence that he got a "traffic infraction". He was following the van and ran a red light to keep up. This whole thing is a clown show:

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NBC News statement: "Last night, a freelancer received a traffic citation. While the traffic violation took place near the jury van, the freelancer never contacted or intended to contact the jurors during deliberations, and never photographed or intended to photograph them"

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I have a good idea.
Let's try to get people to focus on something other than the fact our guy recklessly shot 3 people, killing 2.

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MSNBC has just been banned from the court because a reporter for MSNBC was arrested last night for following the juror bus. bwhahahahah He also received a citation for going thru a red light.

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MSNBC crossed state lines? lol.

MSNBC producer Irene Byon just deleted both her Twitter and Linkedin accounts.

— 🇺🇸 Lowkey Rey 2.0 🇺🇸 (@AtlRey) November 18, 2021

MSNBC's statement tried to make it appear as if it were just some random coincidence that he got a "traffic infraction". He was following the van and ran a red light to keep up. This whole thing is a clown show:

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NBC News statement: "Last night, a freelancer received a traffic citation. While the traffic violation took place near the jury van, the freelancer never contacted or intended to contact the jurors during deliberations, and never photographed or intended to photograph them"

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I have a good idea.
Let's try to get people to focus on something other than the fact our guy recklessly shot 3 people, killing 2.

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"HEY!!!! LOOK OVER THERE!!1!! SEE WHAT THAT GUY DID!!!!1!"

MinotStateBeav said:

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MSNBC has just been banned from the court because a reporter for MSNBC was arrested last night for following the juror bus. bwhahahahah He also received a citation for going thru a red light.

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What was your point ? What is the connection?

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concordtom said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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MSNBC has just been banned from the court because a reporter for MSNBC was arrested last night for following the juror bus. bwhahahahah He also received a citation for going thru a red light.

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MSNBC crossed state lines? lol.



MSNBC's statement tried to make it appear as if it were just some random coincidence that he got a "traffic infraction". He was following the van and ran a red light to keep up. This whole thing is a clown show:

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NBC News statement: "Last night, a freelancer received a traffic citation. While the traffic violation took place near the jury van, the freelancer never contacted or intended to contact the jurors during deliberations, and never photographed or intended to photograph them"

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I have a good idea.
Let's try to get people to focus on something other than the fact our guy recklessly shot 3 people, killing 2.

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"HEY!!!! LOOK OVER THERE!!1!! SEE WHAT THAT GUY DID!!!!1!"

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I turned on AM radio while driving earlier today and they kept saying "the media, the media".
I thought to myself (yelled rather) - hey, you know, you idiots on the radio - YOU ARE 'the media'".

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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concordtom said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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MSNBC has just been banned from the court because a reporter for MSNBC was arrested last night for following the juror bus. bwhahahahah He also received a citation for going thru a red light.

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MSNBC crossed state lines? lol.



MSNBC's statement tried to make it appear as if it were just some random coincidence that he got a "traffic infraction". He was following the van and ran a red light to keep up. This whole thing is a clown show:

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NBC News statement: "Last night, a freelancer received a traffic citation. While the traffic violation took place near the jury van, the freelancer never contacted or intended to contact the jurors during deliberations, and never photographed or intended to photograph them"

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I have a good idea.
Let's try to get people to focus on something other than the fact our guy recklessly shot 3 people, killing 2.

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"HEY!!!! LOOK OVER THERE!!1!! SEE WHAT THAT GUY DID!!!!1!"

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I turned on AM radio

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That mistake is all on you

New York Post tweeted "Rumor is verdict is in, will be read in court in 1 hour" So we'll see if its true. If it is true, I'm going to say its a hung jury.

edit: Posobiec says he just spoke to a guy at the court house and they haven't heard that yet.

edit #2: He's now saying people are heading into the court.

edit #3, Family of those killed being told to go in. So this looks like its the verdict coming.

Watching on Rekeita Law's channel (Bout 10 lawyers talking while the trial has been going on)


NOT GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS!

So, this means that all anyone needs to do is display a fear and we get to start shooting?

concordtom said:

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So, this means that all anyone needs to do is display a fear and we get to start shooting?

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12 strangers spent 4 days going over evidence and found him not guilty. You have to accept that. They found he had a right to self defense.

MinotStateBeav said:

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concordtom said:

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So, this means that all anyone needs to do is display a fear and we get to start shooting?

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12 strangers spent 4 days going over evidence and found him not guilty. You have to accept that. They found he had a right to self defense.

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I accept it.
The first guy was chasing him. That was stupid.
The 2nd and 3rd guys were chasing and hitting. Stupid. Tackle the ****er and wrestle him if he has a long gun, don't allow distance for shooting. All 3 victims were stupid.

But what I don't accept is that people can roam the streets with guns.
Whatever. I suppose I have the good sense to stay away from those people.

Hoping for guilty in Georgia. That's more clear cut!!!

concordtom said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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concordtom said:

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So, this means that all anyone needs to do is display a fear and we get to start shooting?

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12 strangers spent 4 days going over evidence and found him not guilty. You have to accept that. They found he had a right to self defense.

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I accept it.
The first guy was chasing him. That was stupid.
The 2nd and 3rd guys were chasing and hitting. Stupid. Tackle the ****er and wrestle him if he has a long gun, don't allow distance for shooting. All 3 victims were stupid.

But what I don't accept is that people can roam the streets with guns.
Whatever. I suppose I have the good sense to stay away from those people.

Hoping for guilty in Georgia. That's more clear cut!!!

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I think Georgia will be guilty, the evidence points to that.

MinotStateBeav said:

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concordtom said:

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So, this means that all anyone needs to do is display a fear and we get to start shooting?

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12 strangers spent 4 days going over evidence and found him not guilty. You have to accept that. They found he had a right to self defense.

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Not quite. You should look into what "reasonable doubt" means. Just because he wasn't found guilty doesn't mean they thought he was innocent, just that they had at least a reasonable doubt.

I hope this causes people to re-think self-defense laws because decisions like this will not discourage violence and will not make our society safer.

concordtom said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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concordtom said:

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So, this means that all anyone needs to do is display a fear and we get to start shooting?

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12 strangers spent 4 days going over evidence and found him not guilty. You have to accept that. They found he had a right to self defense.

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I accept it.
The first guy was chasing him. That was stupid.
The 2nd and 3rd guys were chasing and hitting. Stupid. Tackle the ****er and wrestle him if he has a long gun, don't allow distance for shooting. All 3 victims were stupid.

But what I don't accept is that people can roam the streets with guns.
Whatever. I suppose I have the good sense to stay away from those people.

Hoping for guilty in Georgia. That's more clear cut!!!

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Yes concordtom, I agree with you. I think the threshold should be higher for going to lethal force in self defense. I think this verdict will result in more public gun use and more deaths. Not good for society.

Unit2Sucks said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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concordtom said:

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So, this means that all anyone needs to do is display a fear and we get to start shooting?

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12 strangers spent 4 days going over evidence and found him not guilty. You have to accept that. They found he had a right to self defense.

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Not quite. You should look into what "reasonable doubt" means. Just because he wasn't found guilty doesn't mean they thought he was innocent, just that they had at least a reasonable doubt.

I hope this causes people to re-think self-defense laws because decisions like this will not discourage violence and will not make our society safer.

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Hrm did I use the word innocent? No, I used the words not guilty. Maybe don't put words in my mouth. I'm glad I don't live in your world of defending yourself makes you guilty of murder.