Unit2Sucks said:

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Remember that Cal88 was one of the people who fell hook, line and sinker for Didier Raoult and the cult of Hydroxycloroquine. He pushed it harder than anyone else here and used the same condescending tactics accusing people of being provincial and not an international men of science like Cal88.

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Yes, the Cult of Hydroxychloroquine.

I remember that. It was right up there with Mike "My Pillow" Lindell promoting an oleander extract to treat a Covid infection. Lindell said that promoting the extract was what "Jesus has me do."

DiabloWags said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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Remember that Cal88 was one of the people who fell hook, line and sinker for Didier Raoult and the cult of Hydroxycloroquine. He pushed it harder than anyone else here and used the same condescending tactics accusing people of being provincial and not an international men of science like Cal88.

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Yes, the Cult of Hydroxychloroquine.

I remember that. It was right up there with Mike "My Pillow" Lindell promoting an oleander extract to treat a Covid infection. Lindell said that promoting the extract was what "Jesus has me do."

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Just like Forsythia in the movie Contagion.



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There's a new study out about the long-term impacts of COVID. This doesn't sound great and is yet another reason I didn't want to expose unvaccinated children to an experimental coronavirus.

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Worth noting: Researchers found children were twice as likely to develop epilepsy or seizures (260 in 10,000) within two years of a COVID infection, compared to those who'd had other respiratory infections (130 in 10,000).

• The risk of being diagnosed with a psychiatric disorder also increased, though occurrence was still rare 18 in 10,000.

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This is based on the latest sets of British official stats apparently:

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More Cal88 disingenuity. He knows this is fake but won't post his source because it's some BS anti-vaxxer tweet. Remember this any time that Cal88 pretends that he is here to engage in good faith. He's more than happy to cherry-pick multimedia content regardless of whether it's fake magazine covers or "apparently based on" actual data, so long as it supports his narrative.

So Cal88 - either defend this chart and show us the data it's based on or GTFO.

LOL, he's edited his post to add in his disreputable source. OMG this is such brain dead analysis. These clowns somehow think that the person years column refers to all of the people in a category, rather than just the people who have died.

What a joke.

Here's the chart they rely on and you can see that it's nowhere near what they represented in the chart. Classic Cal88 choosing not to dig into results that promote his agenda. What a man of science.

The source of this data represented in the graphs above is from the British Office of National Statistics.

Cal88 said:

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The only question you should consider here is, is the data represented in these graphs above fake or real.

If it turns out it's fake, I will apologize and retract.

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So you knowingly post data that you dont even know is accurate or fake?
Did you really go to Cal?

DiabloWags said:

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Cal88 said:

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The only question you should consider here is, is the data represented in these graphs above fake or real.

If it turns out it's fake, I will apologize and retract.

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So you knowingly post data that you dont even know is accurate or fake?
Did you really go to Cal?

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You actually concluded that his statement means he knowingly posted fake data? Did you really go to Cal? Dumb America!

Cal88 said:

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The only question you should consider here is, is the data represented in these graphs above fake or real.

If it turns out it's fake, I will apologize and retract.

If it turns out to be real, it will mean that the vax mandate is one of the most dangerous and ill-conceived medical experiments of all time. The fact that this is such a troubling perspective explains why that finding could be rejected so vehemently and emotionally.

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The underlying spreadsheet from the ONS is real, the charts created by the obviously fake news conspiracy driven website you relied on for your sourcing is obviously fake. You fell for a hoax and hoaxes like this have been fooling people like you for quite a while. Here's an earlier incarnation of this same hoax.

Thanks for confirming that you just post anything that supports your narrative, facts be damned, as if that's something we hadn't all figured out.

Here's another chart from the ONS data showing deaths by vaccination status for 10-14 year olds. Do you think this supports the ridiculous analysis that you posted earlier?

As DW would say, for those in the way back, this shows that there were 175 total non-COVID deaths among unvaccinated 10-14 year olds and 37 among those who had ever received a jab. The fake data that Cal88 is pretending is real shows that vaccinated kids are 41x as likely to have died for non-COVID reasons. For that to be true, 99.5% of 10-14 year olds in the UK would have had to be unvaccinated, which we know is far from true. Because vaccination status changes over time and particularly during the period cited in the ONS data, I don't have an exact number, but as you can see from this ONS link, it was close to half of children in that age range.

When it comes to deaths from COVID, the data is pretty clear. 9 unvaccinated children 10-14 died of COVID during that time period compared to only one fully vaccinated child.

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Unit2Sucks said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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Remember that Cal88 was one of the people who fell hook, line and sinker for Didier Raoult and the cult of Hydroxycloroquine. He pushed it harder than anyone else here and used the same condescending tactics accusing people of being provincial and not an international men of science like Cal88.

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Yes, the Cult of Hydroxychloroquine.

I remember that. It was right up there with Mike "My Pillow" Lindell promoting an oleander extract to treat a Covid infection. Lindell said that promoting the extract was what "Jesus has me do."

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Just like Forsythia in the movie Contagion.



edited to add:
There's a new study out about the long-term impacts of COVID. This doesn't sound great and is yet another reason I didn't want to expose unvaccinated children to an experimental coronavirus.

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Worth noting: Researchers found children were twice as likely to develop epilepsy or seizures (260 in 10,000) within two years of a COVID infection, compared to those who'd had other respiratory infections (130 in 10,000).

• The risk of being diagnosed with a psychiatric disorder also increased, though occurrence was still rare 18 in 10,000.

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What about the vaccinated that get infected anyway, since the 95% effective mRNA shots only provide protection against infection for a couple months?

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This is a good question and it's unclear whether and to what extent being vaccinated would reduce the risk of COVID impacts including epilepsy/seizures. I have no reason to believe that the vaccines would make children more susceptible to COVID impacts.

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As DW would say, for those in the way back, this shows that there were 175 total non-COVID deaths among unvaccinated 10-14 year olds and 37 among those who had ever received a jab. The fake data that Cal88 is pretending is real shows that vaccinated kids are 41x as likely to have died for non-COVID reasons. For that to be true, 99.5% of 10-14 year olds in the UK would have had to be unvaccinated, which we know is far from true. Because vaccination status changes over time and particularly during the period cited in the ONS data, I don't have an exact number, but as you can see from this ONS link, it was close to half of children in that age range.

When it comes to deaths from COVID, the data is pretty clear. 9 unvaccinated children 10-14 died of COVID during that time period compared to only one fully vaccinated child.

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That statement above in bold is fully consistent with the graph they've provided above, which I will post once again:



It is also, a remarkably tone-deaf exercise in cherry-picking, completely ignoring the elephant in the room, the fact that according to official British data, covid vaccines have resulted in an astoundingly large increase in the death rates among young people.

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Except, as I showed above, it doesn't. You're relying on a brain-dead interpretation of the data which has been offered by a hoax website.

Just to put a finer point on it, their contention that the mortality rate is 48x for triple vaxxed vs unvaxxed is based on 6 total deaths for the triple-vaxxed grouo and 175 for the unvaxxed group. It also shows triple vaxxed kids having a 133x mortality rate vs unvaxxed, because 1 triple vaxxed kid (who likely was immuno-compromised) died of COVID, compared to 9 unvaccinated deaths from COVID.

There is a reason the media hasn't picked this up - it's because it's laughably false.

sycasey said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Cal88 said:

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The only question you should consider here is, is the data represented in these graphs above fake or real.

If it turns out it's fake, I will apologize and retract.

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So you knowingly post data that you dont even know is accurate or fake?

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He's been doing it a long time:

https://bearinsider.com/forums/2/topics/66429/replies/1380719

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To be honest, he reminds me of OdontoBear and BearGoggles.
Same MO.

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Unit2Sucks said:

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Cal88 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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As DW would say, for those in the way back, this shows that there were 175 total non-COVID deaths among unvaccinated 10-14 year olds and 37 among those who had ever received a jab. The fake data that Cal88 is pretending is real shows that vaccinated kids are 41x as likely to have died for non-COVID reasons. For that to be true, 99.5% of 10-14 year olds in the UK would have had to be unvaccinated, which we know is far from true. Because vaccination status changes over time and particularly during the period cited in the ONS data, I don't have an exact number, but as you can see from this ONS link, it was close to half of children in that age range.

When it comes to deaths from COVID, the data is pretty clear. 9 unvaccinated children 10-14 died of COVID during that time period compared to only one fully vaccinated child.

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That statement above in bold is fully consistent with the graph they've provided above, which I will post once again:



It is also, a remarkably tone-deaf exercise in cherry-picking, completely ignoring the elephant in the room, the fact that according to official British data, covid vaccines have resulted in an astoundingly large increase in the death rates among young people.

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Except, as I showed above, it doesn't. You're relying on a brain-dead interpretation of the data which has been offered by a hoax website.

Just to put a finer point on it, their contention that the mortality rate is 48x for triple vaxxed vs unvaxxed is based on 6 total deaths for the triple-vaxxed grouo and 175 for the unvaxxed group. It also shows triple vaxxed kids having a 133x mortality rate vs unvaxxed, because 1 triple vaxxed kid (who likely was immuno-compromised) died of COVID, compared to 9 unvaccinated deaths from COVID.

There is a reason the media hasn't picked this up - it's because it's laughably false.

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The data is consistent across all age groups, so citing that one case above (and even there, you're just speculating about the cause of his death) does not explain why the death rates for the multiply vaxed are consistently higher across all age groups, and higher by orders of magnitude.

I would also note that the size of these death samples is quite large, we're talking about hundreds of deaths from a sample size in the hundreds of thousands, gathered countrywide, so reducing that massive discrepency in death rates to a freak, isolated case is completely misguided and misleading.

I don't think you could snap out from the throes of the cognitive dissonance which are clouding your judgment here, I am posting this info for other members.

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Look at the underlying ONS data. There were 175 total unvaccinated children who died from all causes. 37 with any jabs. We're only talking about hundreds of deaths of unvaccinated. Only a few dozen vaccinated died. The data showing that a 133x higher mortality rate for vaccinated children doesn't pass the smell test.

The garbage conspiracy theory website you are relying on for their alarming charts is purposefully misleading you and others like you. They are using the concept of person-years to reverse engineer the data to make up the number of kids in each group and it's obviously false.

No wonder you keep falling for hoaxes, you don't seem to have any numeracy skills.

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Cal88 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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Cal88 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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As DW would say, for those in the way back, this shows that there were 175 total non-COVID deaths among unvaccinated 10-14 year olds and 37 among those who had ever received a jab. The fake data that Cal88 is pretending is real shows that vaccinated kids are 41x as likely to have died for non-COVID reasons. For that to be true, 99.5% of 10-14 year olds in the UK would have had to be unvaccinated, which we know is far from true. Because vaccination status changes over time and particularly during the period cited in the ONS data, I don't have an exact number, but as you can see from this ONS link, it was close to half of children in that age range.

When it comes to deaths from COVID, the data is pretty clear. 9 unvaccinated children 10-14 died of COVID during that time period compared to only one fully vaccinated child.

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That statement above in bold is fully consistent with the graph they've provided above, which I will post once again:



It is also, a remarkably tone-deaf exercise in cherry-picking, completely ignoring the elephant in the room, the fact that according to official British data, covid vaccines have resulted in an astoundingly large increase in the death rates among young people.

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Except, as I showed above, it doesn't. You're relying on a brain-dead interpretation of the data which has been offered by a hoax website.

Just to put a finer point on it, their contention that the mortality rate is 48x for triple vaxxed vs unvaxxed is based on 6 total deaths for the triple-vaxxed grouo and 175 for the unvaxxed group. It also shows triple vaxxed kids having a 133x mortality rate vs unvaxxed, because 1 triple vaxxed kid (who likely was immuno-compromised) died of COVID, compared to 9 unvaccinated deaths from COVID.

There is a reason the media hasn't picked this up - it's because it's laughably false.

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The data is consistent across all age groups, so citing that one case above (and even there, you're just speculating about the cause of his death) does not explain why the death rates for the multiply vaxed are consistently higher across all age groups, and higher by orders of magnitude.

I would also note that the size of these death samples is quite large, we're talking about hundreds of deaths from a sample size in the hundreds of thousands, gathered countrywide, so reducing that massive discrepency in death rates to a freak, isolated case is completely misguided and misleading.

I don't think you could snap out from the throes of the cognitive dissonance which are clouding your judgment here, I am posting this info for other members.

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Look at the underlying ONS data. There were 175 total unvaccinated children died from all causes. 37 with any jabs. We're only talking about hundreds of deaths of unvaccinated. Only a few dozen vaccinated died.

The garbage conspiracy theory website, bla bla blah, Cal88 BAD!!! ...

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The size of the base from which those hundreds of deaths occurred is massive, maintaining that the size of this base is too small a sample size or somehow insignificant is ridiculous.

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You are relying on a manipulation of data by a conspiracy theory website in order to support an obviously false narrative.

Just to be clear, you feel comfortable concluding that 37 total deaths for 10-14 year old children who have received at least one jab, vs 175 total deaths for unvaccinated children, shows that the vaccine is causing a massive increase in the death rate in the UK? 82% of the total deaths were unvaccinated kids. What percentage of 10-14 year old children do you think had received at least one jab?

The fact that you are continuing to fail to understand how you've been manipulated explains a lot.

By the way, looking up the globalresearch.ca sham website brought me to this Ukrainian blog from 2014 that talks about how the Kremlin uses far right groups (eg nazis) and conspiracy websites like globalresearch.ca to reinforce its propaganda and subvert Ukrainian democracy.

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The current campaign to defame the Euromaidan protests is so far the strongest attack on the Ukrainian civil society and democratic politics.
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In the run-up to the 2004 presidential election, which resulted in a dramatic stand-off between Viktor Yanukovych and Viktor Yushchenko, a certain Eduard Kovalenko, leader of the virtual far right party Ukrainian National Assembly (UNA), declared that he and his party would hold a march in support of Yushchenko as a presidential candidate. Yushchenko's office immediately replied that they never needed that support and did their best to distance from Kovalenko's sordid initiative.


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On 24 November 2004, the BHHRG published a report "Shadow of Anti-Semitism over Ukraine's Disputed Election"
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One of the first web-sites to re-publish the report was the very same Centre for Research on Globalization which has recently re-published Eric Draitser's piece on Ukraine to which I referred in the very beginning.

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So I guess we continue to learn more about how easily manipulated or complicit Cal88 is with Kremlin propaganda.

Unit2Sucks said:

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You are relying on a manipulation of data by a conspiracy theory website in order to support an obviously false narrative.

Just to be clear, you feel comfortable concluding that 37 total deaths for 10-14 year old children who have received at least one jab, vs 175 total deaths for unvaccinated children, shows that the vaccine is causing a massive increase in the death rate in the UK? 82% of the total deaths were unvaccinated kids. What percentage of 10-14 year old children do you think had received at least one jab?

The fact that you are continuing to fail to understand how you've been manipulated explains a lot.

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I truly wonder if he really went to CAL.
It clearly says 100,000 person years!

This is terribly sad.

sycasey said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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So I guess we continue to learn more about how easily manipulated or complicit Cal88 is with Kremlin propaganda.

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LOL, it always comes back here with this guy.

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It's either Kremlin propaganda, hydroxychloroquine being a cure for Covid infections, or studies that no credible person or physician would tout, let alone conflate.

Take your pick.

oski003 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Cal88 said:

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The only question you should consider here is, is the data represented in these graphs above fake or real.

If it turns out it's fake, I will apologize and retract.

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So you knowingly post data that you dont even know is accurate or fake?
Did you really go to Cal?

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You actually concluded that his statement means he knowingly posted fake data? Did you really go to Cal? Dumb America!

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DiabloWags is a Canadian that attended Diablo Valley College. Not that there's anything wrong with that.