dajo9 said:
Bipartisan Senate bill passes with $60 billion in aid to Ukraine. Will House Republicans vote to lose Ukraine just like they decided not to secure the border?
https://www.voanews.com/a/us-senate-advances-stand-alone-95-billion-foreign-aid-bill/7479825.html
Dajo and the neocons think we own it.oski003 said:
What do you mean by lose Ukraine?
The house is a mess and couldn't pass gas after eating a plate of beans.dajo9 said:
Bipartisan Senate bill passes with $60 billion in aid to Ukraine. Will House Republicans vote to lose Ukraine just like they decided not to secure the border?
https://www.voanews.com/a/us-senate-advances-stand-alone-95-billion-foreign-aid-bill/7479825.html
Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk slams Senate Republicans for blocking aid for Ukraine:
— Republicans against Trump (@RpsAgainstTrump) February 8, 2024
"Dear Republican Senators of America. Ronald Reagan, who helped millions of us to win back our freedom and independence, must be turning in his grave today. Shame on you."
Thanks to MAGA… pic.twitter.com/pH8M9fvxZe
I met with General Valerii Zaluzhnyi.
— Volodymyr Zelenskyy / Володимир Зеленський (@ZelenskyyUa) February 8, 2024
I thanked him for the two years of defending Ukraine.
We discussed the renewal that the Armed Forces of Ukraine require.
We also discussed who could be part of the renewed leadership of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
The time for such a renewal… pic.twitter.com/tMnUEZ3BCX
dajo9 said:Quote:You're going to drop that bomb without a link to support it?Quote:
Mikhail Gorbachev disagrees with you about promising not to move NATO eastward.
Jeffrey Sachs -- who was there, as part of the U.S. delegation -- said that the "Not One Inch Eastward" was the underlying premise for the entire negotiation. Otherwise, the former Soviet republics, like Ukraine, would not have given up their nuclear missiles.
Besides, Gorbachev was 91 when he died in 2022. Did he get railroaded in an interview? Was he still competent?
Sure, there have been NeoCon revisionists who've tried to deny reality, and claim that U.S./NATO leaders didn't really promise anything.... Obvious B.S.: "De-bunking Russian disinformation on NATO"
But through the magic of FOIA requests, many previously classified notes have been declassified, and they reveal exactly what Jeffrey Sachs and many others have been saying for years -- that everyone's understanding was Not. One. Inch. Eastward.
NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard
I didn't provide a link because Yogi and I have already been down that path. Here is the link for you.
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/did-nato-promise-not-to-enlarge-gorbachev-says-no/
Of course, dumbo9 knows I posted the actual transcript of the talks between Baker and Gorbachev, which trumps anything posted by the leftwing Brookings Institution, but he doesn't want to talk about that. Still, I wonder how all those U.S. weapons got there since 2022. Must have been magic.Quote:
Gorbachev continued that "The agreement on a final settlement with Germany said that no new military structures would be created in the eastern part of the country; no additional troops would be deployed; no weapons of mass destruction would be placed there. It has been obeyed all these years." To be sure, the former Soviet president criticized NATO enlargement and called it a violation of the spirit of the assurances given Moscow in 1990, but he made clear there was no promise regarding broader enlargement.
Genocide Joe said:dajo9 said:
c.Quote:You're going to drop that bomb without a link to support it?Quote:
Mikhail Gorbachev disagrees with you about promising not to move NATO eastward.
Jeffrey Sachs -- who was there, as part of the U.S. delegation -- said that the "Not One Inch Eastward" was the underlying premise for the entire negotiation. Otherwise, the former Soviet republics, like Ukraine, would not have given up their nuclear missiles.
Besides, Gorbachev was 91 when he died in 2022. Did he get railroaded in an interview? Was he still competent?
Sure, there have been NeoCon revisionists who've tried to deny reality, and claim that U.S./NATO leaders didn't really promise anything.... Obvious B.S.: "De-bunking Russian disinformation on NATO"
But through the magic of FOIA requests, many previously classified notes have been declassified, and they reveal exactly what Jeffrey Sachs and many others have been saying for years -- that everyone's understanding was Not. One. Inch. Eastward.
NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard
I didn't provide a link because Yogi and I have already been down that path. Here is the link for you.
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/did-nato-promise-not-to-enlarge-gorbachev-says-no/Of course, dumbo9 knows I posted the actual transcript of the talks between Baker and Gorbachev, which trumps anything posted by the leftwing Brookings Institution, but he doesn't want to talk about that. Still, I wonder how all those U.S. weapons got there since 2022. Must have been magic.Quote:
Gorbachev continued that "The agreement on a final settlement with Germany said that no new military structures would be created in the eastern part of the country; no additional troops would be deployed; no weapons of mass destruction would be placed there. It has been obeyed all these years." To be sure, the former Soviet president criticized NATO enlargement and called it a violation of the spirit of the assurances given Moscow in 1990, but he made clear there was no promise regarding broader enlargement.
But then, Putin never promised the United States that it would never invade Ukraine, so it's OK.
dajo9 said:Genocide Joe said:dajo9 said:
c.Quote:You're going to drop that bomb without a link to support it?Quote:
Mikhail Gorbachev disagrees with you about promising not to move NATO eastward.
Jeffrey Sachs -- who was there, as part of the U.S. delegation -- said that the "Not One Inch Eastward" was the underlying premise for the entire negotiation. Otherwise, the former Soviet republics, like Ukraine, would not have given up their nuclear missiles.
Besides, Gorbachev was 91 when he died in 2022. Did he get railroaded in an interview? Was he still competent?
Sure, there have been NeoCon revisionists who've tried to deny reality, and claim that U.S./NATO leaders didn't really promise anything.... Obvious B.S.: "De-bunking Russian disinformation on NATO"
But through the magic of FOIA requests, many previously classified notes have been declassified, and they reveal exactly what Jeffrey Sachs and many others have been saying for years -- that everyone's understanding was Not. One. Inch. Eastward.
NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard
I didn't provide a link because Yogi and I have already been down that path. Here is the link for you.
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/did-nato-promise-not-to-enlarge-gorbachev-says-no/Of course, dumbo9 knows I posted the actual transcript of the talks between Baker and Gorbachev, which trumps anything posted by the leftwing Brookings Institution, but he doesn't want to talk about that. Still, I wonder how all those U.S. weapons got there since 2022. Must have been magic.Quote:
Gorbachev continued that "The agreement on a final settlement with Germany said that no new military structures would be created in the eastern part of the country; no additional troops would be deployed; no weapons of mass destruction would be placed there. It has been obeyed all these years." To be sure, the former Soviet president criticized NATO enlargement and called it a violation of the spirit of the assurances given Moscow in 1990, but he made clear there was no promise regarding broader enlargement.
But then, Putin never promised the United States that it would never invade Ukraine, so it's OK.
The transcripts don't say what you claim they say but you dont want to talk about that
Cal88 said:
Is Putin still dead?? Was he resurrected especially for Tucker Carlson?
Ep. 73 The Vladimir Putin Interview pic.twitter.com/67YuZRkfLL
— Tucker Carlson (@TuckerCarlson) February 8, 2024
bearister said:
Putin, in rambling interview, barely lets Tucker Carlson get a word in
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/02/08/tucker-carlson-putin-interview-released/
"Russian President Vladimir Putin spent the first 30 minutes of his two-hour-long interview with former Fox News host Tucker Carlson giving a revisionist historical tirade on the founding myths of Russia and Ukraine, the breakup of the Soviet Union and NATO expansionism.
…. By the end of the conversation, it was clear that Putin had no intention of ending his brutal war against Ukraine. But Carlson, who was sacked from Fox last year, seemed ready to surrender. Putin offered to keep talking. Carlson, evidently exhausted by the Russian leader's long-winded conspiracy theories and grievances against the West, thanked him and called it quits far short of the media coup that he had been touting.
Instead, analysts said, the choice to talk to Carlson was based partly on his perceived sympathy the former Fox host has repeatedly dismissed criticism of Putin over the years and the opportunity to appeal to the more MAGA reaches of the Republican Party during an election year. That could boost Donald Trump's chances of reelection and convince Republicans to continue to block U.S. military aid to Ukraine.
… He did not ask a single question about Russia's attacks on civilian areas or critical infrastructure in Ukraine, which have killed thousands. There was no mention of the war crimes facing the Russian leader, for the forced deportation of Ukrainian children. Absent too were questions on Russia's sweeping political crackdowns on Putin's critics or the long jail sentences meted out to ordinary Russians staging antiwar protests.
… At several moments, when Carlson tried to interject, he was chastised by the president.
… I'm not exactly sure what I thought of the interview … It's going to take me a year to decide what that was," said Carlson in a video published on his website."
"Carlson spent most of the interview in silence, or looking confounded."
oski003 said:bearister said:
Putin, in rambling interview, barely lets Tucker Carlson get a word in
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/02/08/tucker-carlson-putin-interview-released/
"Russian President Vladimir Putin spent the first 30 minutes of his two-hour-long interview with former Fox News host Tucker Carlson giving a revisionist historical tirade on the founding myths of Russia and Ukraine, the breakup of the Soviet Union and NATO expansionism.
…. By the end of the conversation, it was clear that Putin had no intention of ending his brutal war against Ukraine. But Carlson, who was sacked from Fox last year, seemed ready to surrender. Putin offered to keep talking. Carlson, evidently exhausted by the Russian leader's long-winded conspiracy theories and grievances against the West, thanked him and called it quits far short of the media coup that he had been touting.
Instead, analysts said, the choice to talk to Carlson was based partly on his perceived sympathy the former Fox host has repeatedly dismissed criticism of Putin over the years and the opportunity to appeal to the more MAGA reaches of the Republican Party during an election year. That could boost Donald Trump's chances of reelection and convince Republicans to continue to block U.S. military aid to Ukraine.
… He did not ask a single question about Russia's attacks on civilian areas or critical infrastructure in Ukraine, which have killed thousands. There was no mention of the war crimes facing the Russian leader, for the forced deportation of Ukrainian children. Absent too were questions on Russia's sweeping political crackdowns on Putin's critics or the long jail sentences meted out to ordinary Russians staging antiwar protests.
… At several moments, when Carlson tried to interject, he was chastised by the president.
… I'm not exactly sure what I thought of the interview … It's going to take me a year to decide what that was," said Carlson in a video published on his website."
"Carlson spent most of the interview in silence, or looking confounded."
Here is the BBC version.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68247956
I have never seen Biden do anything but condemn Russia and say Russia will not gain anything from their aggression and has conditioned peace on a full withdrawal from Ukraine. Given those circumstances, what would Putin say?
It is pretty clear, especially when he is winning the war territory and manpower wise, that it is bad negotiation strategy to offer concessions to make peace when the other side is doing the opposite.
Sounds like it was an infomercial for a fascist war criminal and bowtie boy showed what a lightweight he is.bearister said:
Putin, in rambling interview, barely lets Tucker Carlson get a word in
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/02/08/tucker-carlson-putin-interview-released/
Preparing for my interview with @TuckerCarlson pic.twitter.com/iTGF2hMROJ
— Darth Putin (@DarthPutinKGB) February 7, 2024
A man who thinks the USA is being invaded has come to Russia to interview me about why Ukraine isn’t being invaded.
— Darth Putin (@DarthPutinKGB) February 8, 2024
46 minutes into his history lesson, Putin stops to mock Tucker for applying to the CIA when he was younger and getting rejected. pic.twitter.com/oyoADwytpI
— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) February 9, 2024
At the beginning of the interview, Putin launches into a 25 minute rant of historical reasons why Ukraine should be part of Russia. Tucker tries to interrupt, and is smacked down by Putin who mocks him like his little child. pic.twitter.com/mr2ivN5cXh
— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) February 9, 2024
I feel sorry for the Washington Post journalists who get stuck with writing the CIA's hitpieces.bearister said:
Putin, in rambling interview, barely lets Tucker Carlson get a word in
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/02/08/tucker-carlson-putin-interview-released/
The best part about the Putin interview is how neocons in the western media will be scrambling to debunk what Putin says but will not be able to because his argument against the west is rock solid
— Revolutionary Blackout Network🥋 (@SocialistMMA) February 9, 2024
Putin just destroyed the entire western narrative with one interview https://t.co/aafTN8UAtj
oski003 said:bearister said:
Putin, in rambling interview, barely lets Tucker Carlson get a word in
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/02/08/tucker-carlson-putin-interview-released/
"Russian President Vladimir Putin spent the first 30 minutes of his two-hour-long interview with former Fox News host Tucker Carlson giving a revisionist historical tirade on the founding myths of Russia and Ukraine, the breakup of the Soviet Union and NATO expansionism.
…. By the end of the conversation, it was clear that Putin had no intention of ending his brutal war against Ukraine. But Carlson, who was sacked from Fox last year, seemed ready to surrender. Putin offered to keep talking. Carlson, evidently exhausted by the Russian leader's long-winded conspiracy theories and grievances against the West, thanked him and called it quits far short of the media coup that he had been touting.
Instead, analysts said, the choice to talk to Carlson was based partly on his perceived sympathy the former Fox host has repeatedly dismissed criticism of Putin over the years and the opportunity to appeal to the more MAGA reaches of the Republican Party during an election year. That could boost Donald Trump's chances of reelection and convince Republicans to continue to block U.S. military aid to Ukraine.
… He did not ask a single question about Russia's attacks on civilian areas or critical infrastructure in Ukraine, which have killed thousands. There was no mention of the war crimes facing the Russian leader, for the forced deportation of Ukrainian children. Absent too were questions on Russia's sweeping political crackdowns on Putin's critics or the long jail sentences meted out to ordinary Russians staging antiwar protests.
… At several moments, when Carlson tried to interject, he was chastised by the president.
… I'm not exactly sure what I thought of the interview … It's going to take me a year to decide what that was," said Carlson in a video published on his website."
"Carlson spent most of the interview in silence, or looking confounded."
Here is the BBC version.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68247956
I have never seen Biden do anything but condemn Russia and say Russia will not gain anything from their aggression and has conditioned peace on a full withdrawal from Ukraine. Given those circumstances, what would Putin say?
It is pretty clear, especially when he is winning the war territory and manpower wise, that it is bad negotiation strategy to offer concessions to make peace when the other side is doing the opposite.
The United States could have just not couped the government of Ukraine in 2014sycasey said:oski003 said:bearister said:
Putin, in rambling interview, barely lets Tucker Carlson get a word in
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/02/08/tucker-carlson-putin-interview-released/
"Russian President Vladimir Putin spent the first 30 minutes of his two-hour-long interview with former Fox News host Tucker Carlson giving a revisionist historical tirade on the founding myths of Russia and Ukraine, the breakup of the Soviet Union and NATO expansionism.
…. By the end of the conversation, it was clear that Putin had no intention of ending his brutal war against Ukraine. But Carlson, who was sacked from Fox last year, seemed ready to surrender. Putin offered to keep talking. Carlson, evidently exhausted by the Russian leader's long-winded conspiracy theories and grievances against the West, thanked him and called it quits far short of the media coup that he had been touting.
Instead, analysts said, the choice to talk to Carlson was based partly on his perceived sympathy the former Fox host has repeatedly dismissed criticism of Putin over the years and the opportunity to appeal to the more MAGA reaches of the Republican Party during an election year. That could boost Donald Trump's chances of reelection and convince Republicans to continue to block U.S. military aid to Ukraine.
… He did not ask a single question about Russia's attacks on civilian areas or critical infrastructure in Ukraine, which have killed thousands. There was no mention of the war crimes facing the Russian leader, for the forced deportation of Ukrainian children. Absent too were questions on Russia's sweeping political crackdowns on Putin's critics or the long jail sentences meted out to ordinary Russians staging antiwar protests.
… At several moments, when Carlson tried to interject, he was chastised by the president.
… I'm not exactly sure what I thought of the interview … It's going to take me a year to decide what that was," said Carlson in a video published on his website."
"Carlson spent most of the interview in silence, or looking confounded."
Here is the BBC version.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68247956
I have never seen Biden do anything but condemn Russia and say Russia will not gain anything from their aggression and has conditioned peace on a full withdrawal from Ukraine. Given those circumstances, what would Putin say?
It is pretty clear, especially when he is winning the war territory and manpower wise, that it is bad negotiation strategy to offer concessions to make peace when the other side is doing the opposite.
Putin could have just not started a war, of course.
The U.S. would have done the same if they were in that position and would probably have acted much earlier.sycasey said:
Putin could have just not started a war, of course.
Putin on Western Media:
— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) February 8, 2024
“The United States controls all the world's media and many European media." pic.twitter.com/uO8vH0aqs7
bear2034 said:Putin on Western Media:
— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) February 8, 2024
“The United States controls all the world's media and many European media." pic.twitter.com/uO8vH0aqs7
The U.S. propaganda machine is the best in the world.
But Russian Facebook ads.....
bear2034 said:The U.S. would have done the same if they were in that position and would probably have acted much earlier.sycasey said:
Putin could have just not started a war, of course.
That's unfortunate. I liked the Powell/Pottery Barn Doctrine -- "You break it, you bought it."Zippergate said:Dajo and the neocons think we own it.oski003 said:
What do you mean by lose Ukraine?
Carlson is a journalist. There was a time when journalists reported on things and interviewed public figures with a purpose to inform. It's hard to that time even existed now that corporate media has merged with the state.Big C said:
That Tucker Carlson is so stupid, he probably thought Putin was going to make an effort to make him look good, just because he's been Putin's b****. Problem is, Putin could give a crap about Tucker Carlson.
This is an exceptional aftermath analysis of the @TuckerCarlson interview w/ Putin given by Tucker himself. It is worth every minute watching and listening to (9:30 min).
— General Mike Flynn (@GenFlynn) February 9, 2024
This interview will be dissected by many (and rightly so) who need to better understand the drivers of war… https://t.co/TFdMgS6aiV
Prof. Jeffrey Sachs: It's all dishonest, basically.
— Ignorance, the root and stem of all evil (@ivan_8848) February 8, 2024
Biden, Nuland, Sullivan, Blinken CIA gambled.
They gambled with the Ukrainian lives.
They gambled with Ukrainian territory and they gambled with our money.
It was a disastrous gamble.
Clearly.
I've been saying so for years.… pic.twitter.com/pSlzJyzlAO
Say what you want about Putin, but I am just glad that we live in a country where the government isn’t trying to lock up dissidents and political opponents, throw them off ballots, have free elections, and we are allowed to say whatever we want on the Internet
— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) February 9, 2024
Not even Fox News could pretend that Tucker was a journalist. He's indistinguishable from the character SC played on the Colbert Report.Big C said:
That Tucker Carlson is so stupid, he probably thought Putin was going to make an effort to make him look good, just because he's been Putin's b****. Problem is, Putin could give a crap about Tucker Carlson.
He continues: “Hitler had no remaining choice but to begin the realization of his plans with [the attack on] on Poland.” Poor Hitler was boxed in by those unreasonable Poles!
— Ilya Somin (@IlyaSomin) February 9, 2024
Unfortunately for Putin, his military is a hot mess so he will not make it nearly as far in realizing his revanchist dreams as his inspiration Hitler did.Quote:
The National WWII Museum in New Orleans writes "Hitler was determined to make it look as if the Poles had provoked the hostilities and the SS obliged by staging numerous false-flag operations and 'Polish provocations' against Germans."
It adds "According to the testimony of Sturmbannfhrer Alfred Naujocks at Nuremberg, Reinhard Heydrich and Heinrich "Gestapo" Mller ordered Operation Himmler to make the Poles appear to be the aggressors and to justify the coming war."
The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum says that to justify the invasion, Nazi propagandists accused Poland of persecuting ethnic Germans living in Poland.
"They also falsely claimed that Poland was planning, with its allies Great Britain and France, to encircle and dismember Germany. The SS, in collusion with the German military, staged a phony attack on a German radio station. The Germans falsely accused the Poles of this attack. Hitler then used the action to launch a 'retaliatory' campaign against Poland."
I remember that moment too but look how their careers changed since then. Stewart isn't funny anymore after having turned into an angry old man. But he did have that one moment on Colbert's show when he exposed the gaslighters about Covid.dajo9 said:
Tucker Carlson as a "journalist" is hilarious. I'm old enough to remember when Jon Steward permanently smacked the bow tie off him and the permascowl onto him.
Unit2Sucks said:He continues: “Hitler had no remaining choice but to begin the realization of his plans with [the attack on] on Poland.” Poor Hitler was boxed in by those unreasonable Poles!
— Ilya Somin (@IlyaSomin) February 9, 2024
EDIT: Adding a fact check on this statement.
How boring, another moron Biden supporter talking about Hitler again.Unit2Sucks said:
This is the most interesting part. It shows just how closely Putin is following Hitler's playbook.
Tucker: "Twice now, you've described US presidents making decisions and then being undercut by their agency heads. So it sounds like you're describing a system that's not run by the people who are elected."
— System Update (@SystemUpdate_) February 9, 2024
Putin: "That's right."https://t.co/fkqwl46iit pic.twitter.com/KcpreIgIQt
Putin is a moron Biden supporter?Genocide Joe said:How boring, another moron Biden supporter talking about Hitler again.Unit2Sucks said:
This is the most interesting part. It shows just how closely Putin is following Hitler's playbook.
Yeah really solid take here. Putin’s feelings were hurt because he wanted to be our friend but we were mean to him. Very clear-eyed analysis. pic.twitter.com/impjLmGs5T
— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) February 9, 2024
Russian Telegram channels reported that the interview with Carlson and Carlson himself was not to Putin's liking, and the interview itself was considered a failure:
— Anton Gerashchenko (@Gerashchenko_en) February 9, 2024
"The Kovalchuk clan sharply criticizes the idea of an interview with the American journalist Carlson. They say… https://t.co/sCql6QuhkW pic.twitter.com/iyPZDTP2JW
Unit2Sucks said:
It's funny that pro Putin shills worldwide are struggling with how to pain this in a positive light for Tucker and Putin. Maybe they will just pretend it never happened. Meanwhile, Tucker's juvenile take is as dumb as you would expect and Putin sees Tucker for what he is - an overpaid useful idiot.
“Ich bin ein Berliner.”
— George Conway (@gtconway3d) February 11, 2024
—John F. Kennedy,
June 26, 1963
“Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall.”
—Ronald Reagan,
June 12, 1987
“I would encourage [the Russians] to do whatever the hell they want.”
—Donald Trump,
April 10, 2024
