“Who’s the Prime Minister of Australia?”

Americans: pic.twitter.com/1wHe7yqAro

— ᴍᴇᴅ ɢᴏʟᴅ 🐒 (@MedGold_) March 1, 2025

Neo-isolationism

Big C said:

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Agree. I was very disappointed in Vance today. And up to this point, I have not been anti-Vance, all things considered. He's been influenced by the wrong people the past few years.

Embarrassing day for America. Worse for Ukraine. Great day for Putin and Russia though, so some posters in this thread are happy!

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nyet, nyet, nyet....

bear2034 said:

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Since when did "isolationist" become a bad word?

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Some time around Pearl Harbor.

sycasey said:

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bear2034 said:

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Since when did "isolationist" become a bad word?

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Some time around Pearl Harbor.

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When did the term "forever wars" begin?

So there's this whole thing that Vancy Pants brought up about a lack of thank you, right?

I didn't have any time to watch any of this yesterday, but just started watching the entire event.

The FIRST THING Zelensky literally, actually, truthfully says is "Thank you very much, Mr. President." Then he says "Thank you for the invitation."

That's really the first thing he says. If you haven't watched it yet and got caught up in the whole thank you thing, I suggest you go watch it now.

Vancy Pants is such a weasel.

What kind of bulls$&t is this?

Haloski said:

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So there's this whole thing that Vancy Pants brought up about a lack of thank you, right?

I didn't have any time to watch any of this yesterday, but just started watching the entire event.

The FIRST THING Zelensky literally, actually, truthfully says is "Thank you very much, Mr. President." Then he says "Thank you for the invitation."

That's really the first thing he says. If you haven't watched it yet and got caught up in the whole thank you thing, I suggest you go watch it now.

Vancy Pants is such a weasel.

What kind of bulls$&t is this?

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They are asking Zelensky to acknowledge and thank them for the support America has given them to defend against Russia.

calpoly said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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What is the alternative?

Is there some amount of funding that lets Ukraine win? If so, is Ukraine winning in our national interest? Is it a good ROI? Would US troops have to be deployed? Is Europe really (finally) step up and spend like it's supposed to? And most importantly, are there other ways to achieve our national interest?

I don't Trust Putin and I am absolutely not an isolationist. But I see no path forward where Ukraine wins or beats back Russia to retake its territory. And a massive Hell No to US boots on the ground.

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Since you are such a fan person of Vance, what do you think of his performance yesterday?

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I prefer a less combative more professional and mature approach to things. I trend toward believing if you have to fight you've already lost. That said, there's plenty of reporting to demonstrate why they had at it with Zelensky. This clearly wasn't a one off with him.

Look, he's in a very tough spot. He wants actual security assurances from the US because he doesn't trust Putin. Completely understandable. Except he is NEVER going to get it from this administration.

This was his 3rd chance to sign the rare earth deal, gain US economic interest in Ukraine and have European troops securing the peace. He insisted on coming to DC to sign the deal then went sideways on it again, this time publicly. Trump/Vance had enough. .

UKRAINE: Norway's largest marine fuel company refused to sell diesel to a US Navy Virginia-Class attack submarine after Zelensky's disastrous Oval Office meeting. While the fuel was only for the USS Delaware's backup diesel engine, this is the first time a NATO member refused a… pic.twitter.com/ryBj4SmKxY

— @amuse (@amuse) March 1, 2025

🇺🇸🇺🇦 ZELENSKY MOCKS TRUMP!

- The TV studio that Zelensky’s founded posted a picture of a piano with the word Trump on it!

- The most famous skit of this studio is Zelensky playing piano with his penis.

-> So, they suggest Zelensky played or will play on Trump with his …🍆

1/ pic.twitter.com/E22sLmjkWa

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) March 1, 2025

🇺🇦🇺🇸🇪🇺EU wants to continue without the US, but with what?

I mean the stockpiles are also empty in many countries. pic.twitter.com/QkBMjllTCd

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) March 1, 2025

Five times Donald Trump looked to side with Russia against the US | The Independent


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-russia-five-times-putin-b2021875.html

bearister said:

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Five times Donald Trump looked to side with Russia against the US | The Independent


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-russia-five-times-putin-b2021875.html

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Little known fact, Trump's given name is really Raymond Floyd.

oski003 said:

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Haloski said:

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So there's this whole thing that Vancy Pants brought up about a lack of thank you, right?

I didn't have any time to watch any of this yesterday, but just started watching the entire event.

The FIRST THING Zelensky literally, actually, truthfully says is "Thank you very much, Mr. President." Then he says "Thank you for the invitation."

That's really the first thing he says. If you haven't watched it yet and got caught up in the whole thank you thing, I suggest you go watch it now.

Vancy Pants is such a weasel.

What kind of bulls$&t is this?

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They are asking Zelensky to acknowledge and thank them for the support America has given them to defend against Russia.

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Which he did at least 3 times. He just wasn't fawning.

socaltownie said:

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oski003 said:

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Haloski said:

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So there's this whole thing that Vancy Pants brought up about a lack of thank you, right?

I didn't have any time to watch any of this yesterday, but just started watching the entire event.

The FIRST THING Zelensky literally, actually, truthfully says is "Thank you very much, Mr. President." Then he says "Thank you for the invitation."

That's really the first thing he says. If you haven't watched it yet and got caught up in the whole thank you thing, I suggest you go watch it now.

Vancy Pants is such a weasel.

What kind of bulls$&t is this?

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They are asking Zelensky to acknowledge and thank them for the support America has given them to defend against Russia.

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Which he did at least 3 times. He just wasn't fawning.

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He challenged them directly about the effectiveness of US diplomacy, saying it has failed since Obama. Rude behavior to do that publicly when you are also asking for more support. And the irony was lost on Z…if US diplomacy under the last 3 administrations failed maybe it is time for a different approach. You know, like Trump is now advocating for.

tequila4kapp said:

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socaltownie said:

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oski003 said:

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Haloski said:

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So there's this whole thing that Vancy Pants brought up about a lack of thank you, right?

I didn't have any time to watch any of this yesterday, but just started watching the entire event.

The FIRST THING Zelensky literally, actually, truthfully says is "Thank you very much, Mr. President." Then he says "Thank you for the invitation."

That's really the first thing he says. If you haven't watched it yet and got caught up in the whole thank you thing, I suggest you go watch it now.

Vancy Pants is such a weasel.

What kind of bulls$&t is this?

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They are asking Zelensky to acknowledge and thank them for the support America has given them to defend against Russia.

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Which he did at least 3 times. He just wasn't fawning.

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He challenged them directly about the effectiveness of US diplomacy, saying it has failed since Obama. Rude behavior to do that publicly when you are also asking for more support. And the irony was lost on Z…if US diplomacy under the last 3 administrations failed maybe it is time for a different approach. You know, like Trump is now advocating for.

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I actually wonder if that was more a language thing.....since his main point wasn't that US diplomacy failed but rather that Putin doesn't keep his word and that diplomacy ALONE (if we take that to mean written agrements) will not stop the conflict.

I am also not sure why Vance needed (other than to suck up) to keep bashing Biden. But I have come to expect that this is the modern conservative movement as we endlessly litigate the last election any chance we can rather than to talk about the future.

Challenged, disrespectful non verbals, closed body language, wants US troops on the ground, and then threatens our country.

Today says - after Starmer gives him a $2 Billion loan - that if the US pulls support, "The UK will have to give him $250 Billion in frozen Russian assets."

Which would mean the war would escalate, he has no backup troops, and Russia takes Odessa and Kiev. Would we even sell him military goods now?

🚨BREAKING: Vladimir Putin hints at offering the U.S. a deal on rare-earth minerals, saying Russia has way more than Ukraine.
pic.twitter.com/8l0B4RoWBK

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) March 1, 2025

Return of the King said:

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Haloski said:

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So there's this whole thing that Vancy Pants brought up about a lack of thank you, right?

I didn't have any time to watch any of this yesterday, but just started watching the entire event.

The FIRST THING Zelensky literally, actually, truthfully says is "Thank you very much, Mr. President." Then he says "Thank you for the invitation."

That's really the first thing he says. If you haven't watched it yet and got caught up in the whole thank you thing, I suggest you go watch it now.

Vancy Pants is such a weasel.

What kind of bulls$&t is this?

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Mostly I shifted from criticizing the last administration to criticizing this one, without taking too much time to savor liberal meltdowns, because mostly they’re right about this crew, even if for the wrong reasons and with the cringiest critiques. But seeing how deep the…

— Russell Dobular (@russelldobular) February 28, 2025

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Mostly I shifted from criticizing the last administration to criticizing this one, without taking too much time to savor liberal meltdowns, because mostly they're right about this crew, even if for the wrong reasons and with the cringiest critiques. But seeing how deep the brainwashing on Russia and Ukraine goes is kind of amazing. These generally silent and demoralized little dummies rouse themselves to, of all things, perform their outrage about a conflict they don't even have the barest bit of a clue about beyond what they heard on CNN. These same dummies said nothing when Netanyahu got the most standing ovations in history in Congress, and they never have much to say about our alliance with Saudi Arabia, which committed a far more brutal campaign against its neighbor Yemen, than Putin has waged in Ukraine. The media has told them to care about the one and not the other, and never do these brainwashed puppets stop for a moment to ask, "Why?"

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Acrtually......

I think there has been strong concern about Saudis. And last time I checked the right went ape**** about a bunch of college kids being college kids last spring about Gaza (which I am not defending cause they were so simplistic in their understanding of that **** conflict).

movielover said:

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Challenged, disrespectful non verbals, closed body language, wants US troops on the ground, and then threatens our country.

Today says - after Starmer gives him a $2 Billion loan - that if the US pulls support, "The UK will have to give him $250 Billion in frozen Russian assets."

Which would mean the war would escalate, he has no backup troops, and Russia takes Odessa and Kiev. Would we even sell him military goods now?

🚨BREAKING: Vladimir Putin hints at offering the U.S. a deal on rare-earth minerals, saying Russia has way more than Ukraine.
pic.twitter.com/8l0B4RoWBK

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) March 1, 2025

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You really are on a roll. How is the weather in Moscow?

pic.twitter.com/MEUPYTt13f

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) March 1, 2025

Return of the King said:

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bearister said:

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What your face looks like when you come to the realization that you have sold out and gone against all of your core beliefs and violated your moral and ethical code, in exchange for power:



……and you could really use a drink of water to wash down the shame:

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Whoops!

🚨Sec Rubio just brought the hammer down on Zelenskyy:

"There was no need for him to go in there and become antagonistic."

“You start to perceive that maybe Zelenskyy doesn't want a peace deal. He says he does, but maybe he doesn't. And that active, open undermining of efforts… pic.twitter.com/hlcDBzVYC5

— Western Lensman (@WesternLensman) March 1, 2025

Trump Hangs Up Sign In White House 'You Must Be This Tall To Receive Foreign Aid' https://t.co/AZBqzMskIt pic.twitter.com/IfnKbFXNhM

— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) February 28, 2025

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If Trump doesn't wear his elevator shoes, does he risk losing control of the purse?

oski003 said:

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Haloski said:

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So there's this whole thing that Vancy Pants brought up about a lack of thank you, right?

I didn't have any time to watch any of this yesterday, but just started watching the entire event.

The FIRST THING Zelensky literally, actually, truthfully says is "Thank you very much, Mr. President." Then he says "Thank you for the invitation."

That's really the first thing he says. If you haven't watched it yet and got caught up in the whole thank you thing, I suggest you go watch it now.

Vancy Pants is such a weasel.

What kind of bulls$&t is this?

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They are asking Zelensky to acknowledge and thank them for the support America has given them to defend against Russia.

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Hold up. He thanked them. Furthermore, even if he hadn't, they personally want to be thanked for something that they themselves state that they wouldn't have provided and are adamantly against?

It was a perfunctory, insincere thank you - with a request for more, and USA troops on the ground.

Look at Zelensky today, same thing.

Starmer gives him a $2 Billion loan; then Zelensky says if the US cuts him off, Europe must give him $250 Billion in frozen Russian assets. He wants the war to continue. His own aides claim he is "messianic" in his beliefs.

Where will he get the ammunition and fresh meat?

Yes, Trump is arrogant, just like Biden and Obama. President Trump, however, has opened up dialog, and wants peace. He's also protecting American men and bringing hostages home.

tequila4kapp said:

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calpoly said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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What is the alternative?

Is there some amount of funding that lets Ukraine win? If so, is Ukraine winning in our national interest? Is it a good ROI? Would US troops have to be deployed? Is Europe really (finally) step up and spend like it's supposed to? And most importantly, are there other ways to achieve our national interest?

I don't Trust Putin and I am absolutely not an isolationist. But I see no path forward where Ukraine wins or beats back Russia to retake its territory. And a massive Hell No to US boots on the ground.

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Since you are such a fan person of Vance, what do you think of his performance yesterday?

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I prefer a less combative more professional and mature approach to things. I trend toward believing if you have to fight you've already lost. That said, there's plenty of reporting to demonstrate why they had at it with Zelensky. This clearly wasn't a one off with him.

Look, he's in a very tough spot. He wants actual security assurances from the US because he doesn't trust Putin. Completely understandable. Except he is NEVER going to get it from this administration.

This was his 3rd chance to sign the rare earth deal, gain US economic interest in Ukraine and have European troops securing the peace. He insisted on coming to DC to sign the deal then went sideways on it again, this time publicly. Trump/Vance had enough. .

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They had it with Zelensky because he is a true leader that was not going to cave into putin/trump/vance. Rather sad to think that this administration only cares about rare earth mineral rights and not the freedom of Ukrainians.

President Trump has seen the $16 Trillion dollars the neocons wasted, which also unsettled the Middle East, and is attempting to recoup some dollars as a businessman.

calpoly said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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calpoly said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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What is the alternative?

Is there some amount of funding that lets Ukraine win? If so, is Ukraine winning in our national interest? Is it a good ROI? Would US troops have to be deployed? Is Europe really (finally) step up and spend like it's supposed to? And most importantly, are there other ways to achieve our national interest?

I don't Trust Putin and I am absolutely not an isolationist. But I see no path forward where Ukraine wins or beats back Russia to retake its territory. And a massive Hell No to US boots on the ground.

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Since you are such a fan person of Vance, what do you think of his performance yesterday?

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I prefer a less combative more professional and mature approach to things. I trend toward believing if you have to fight you've already lost. That said, there's plenty of reporting to demonstrate why they had at it with Zelensky. This clearly wasn't a one off with him.

Look, he's in a very tough spot. He wants actual security assurances from the US because he doesn't trust Putin. Completely understandable. Except he is NEVER going to get it from this administration.

This was his 3rd chance to sign the rare earth deal, gain US economic interest in Ukraine and have European troops securing the peace. He insisted on coming to DC to sign the deal then went sideways on it again, this time publicly. Trump/Vance had enough. .

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They had it with Zelensky because he is a true leader that was not going to cave into putin/trump/vance. Rather sad to think that this administration only cares about rare earth mineral rights and not the freedom of Ukrainians.

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I watched all 50 minutes and especially the question from the Polish press person that set this horrific fall out in motion.

I don't think that. I think that it is critically important for trump to "cut a deal". This motivation is so dominant. The flip side is that politics (domestic) bores the **** ouf of him. But in IR he engages. Then you have to see that he very much views things as Zero sum. Someone wins and the other guy is a sucker. There is no "win win". So it is all this dominance crap.

tequila4kapp said:

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bearister said:

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Five times Donald Trump looked to side with Russia against the US | The Independent


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-russia-five-times-putin-b2021875.html

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Little known fact, Trump's given name is really Raymond Floyd.

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Too bad. The real Raymond Floyd didn't cheat playing golf.

"They are asking Zelensky to acknowledge and thank them for the support America has given them to defend against Russia."

He thanked Biden. Get to the part where Putin's best friend, who is trying to chop his nuts off and mob boss minerals out of the Ukraine has done anything to be thanked for.
Zelensky should have looked at Vance and said, "If I need any sh@it out of you, I'll squeeze your head."

Return of the King said:

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bearister said:

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What your face looks like when you come to the realization that you have sold out and gone against all of your core beliefs and violated your moral and ethical code, in exchange for power:



……and you could really use a drink of water to wash down the shame:

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Whoops!

🚨Sec Rubio just brought the hammer down on Zelenskyy:

"There was no need for him to go in there and become antagonistic."

“You start to perceive that maybe Zelenskyy doesn't want a peace deal. He says he does, but maybe he doesn't. And that active, open undermining of efforts… pic.twitter.com/hlcDBzVYC5

— Western Lensman (@WesternLensman) March 1, 2025

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Why the "Whoops?" He has always been a Hawk on Russia and still is, intellectually. This just shows he is continuing to sell out for power.

Every vicious thing he ever said about Trump is true and he now knows more than ever that it's true.

He has a Catholic conscience and sense of guilt so you know he can feel his soul rotting doing the bidding of a man without morals, ethics or a Code of Honor.

Someday he may feel as low as Harvey Keitel in The Bad Lieutenant and seek redemption.

Homeboy is all over the place.

BREAKING — Zelensky stated in a series of posts on X that he is now ready to sign the mineral deal. However, he claims the deal is insufficient, demands security guarantees, and urges America to support Ukraine more strongly. pic.twitter.com/bpeBAW18De

— Election Wizard (@ElectionWiz) March 1, 2025

Zelensky is Europe and Canada's problem now.

— Catturd ™ (@catturd2) March 1, 2025

bearister said:

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"They are asking Zelensky to acknowledge and thank them for the support America has given them to defend against Russia."

He thanked Biden. Get to the part where Putin's best friend, who is trying to chop his nuts off and mob boss minerals out of the Ukraine has done anything to be thanked for.
Zelensky should have looked at Vance and said, "If I need any sh@it out of you, I'll squeeze your head."

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Might be worth noting now that during his first term, Trump tried to withhold aid to Ukraine on the demand that Zelenskyy dig up dirt on Joe Biden. That was kind of what his whole first impeachment was about. So again, if you were him, how much stock would you put in Trump to hold to his promises?

movielover said:

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Homeboy is all over the place.

BREAKING — Zelensky stated in a series of posts on X that he is now ready to sign the mineral deal. However, he claims the deal is insufficient, demands security guarantees, and urges America to support Ukraine more strongly. pic.twitter.com/bpeBAW18De

— Election Wizard (@ElectionWiz) March 1, 2025

Zelensky is Europe and Canada's problem now.

— Catturd ™ (@catturd2) March 1, 2025

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Soon enough, Trump will be the devil's problem given his age and health habits. Until Father Time takes him, he's ours.

I don't get why some of you just can't say Putin's an ******* for invading a sovereign nation.

Y'all afraid of windows or something?

"Sidestepping Carlson's opening question, Putin launched into a rambling half-hour lecture covering more than a thousand years of Russian and Ukrainian history that placed the roots of today's war firmly in the distant past. His core message was chillingly simple: Ukraine has no right to exist and he is fully justified in waging a war of aggression to reclaim historically Russian lands.

…. At the same time, the real takeaway from the interview was Putin's apparently genuine belief that his antiquated historical arguments could serve as plausible justification for a major war in twenty-first century Europe. This is perhaps the clearest indication yet of the dangerous delusions and imperial ambitions that led Putin to invade Ukraine.

….. How far could Putin go? Throughout his reign, he has consistently lamented the fall of the USSR, which he has referred to as the demise of "historical Russia." After the events of the past two years, it should be painfully apparent that anywhere Putin regards as "historical Russia" is potentially at risk.

In theory, at least, the same bogus historical arguments that have been used to justify the invasion of Ukraine could easily be applied to other parts of the former Soviet Union, or to the Russian Empire of the Czarist era. This would create an array of possible targets for Russian aggression including Finland, Poland, the Baltic states, Belarus, Moldova, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Alaska, and the whole of Central Asia. A maximalist interpretation could even see all of Central Europe's former Soviet satellite states besides Poland added to the list."


Putin's history lecture reveals his dreams of a new Russian Empire - Atlantic Council


https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/putins-history-lecture-reveals-his-dreams-of-a-new-russian-empire/



Putin's new Ukraine essay reveals imperial ambitions - Atlantic Council


https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/putins-new-ukraine-essay-reflects-imperial-ambitions/

Article by Vladimir Putin "On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians" President of Russia


http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181

Britain purposefully undermining us?

Britain has signed a hundred year agreement to support Ukraine militarily and financially. This includes providing Ukraine £3 billion a year until 2031 and to support Ukraine “for as long as needed,” and establishing military bases along the Sea of Azov, which Russia controls. pic.twitter.com/stY36mV6rd

— Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) March 1, 2025

So we fund a giant portion of the war, and Britain gains the spoils - while we protect them?

POTUS may have been forcing the hand to get the alleged 100-year-deal published.

Some believe the IC wants us in the 'neutral zone', so a false flag operation is launched, to drag us deeper into the war. There are allegations our MIC / Pentagon have plans to completely dismantle and extract wealth from Russia. These plans include, if needed, a nuclear war that we 'survive' even though 90% may perish.

bearister said:

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"They are asking Zelensky to acknowledge and thank them for the support America has given them to defend against Russia."

He thanked Biden. Get to the part where Putin's best friend, who is trying to chop his nuts off and mob boss minerals out of the Ukraine has done anything to be thanked for.
Zelensky should have looked at Vance and said, "If I need any sh@it out of you, I'll squeeze your head."

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Good luck F'ing with a Marine. Even Zelensky isn't that stupid.

"These plans include, if needed, a nuclear war that we 'survive' even though 90% may perish."

That will be deferred until Musk, his 50 kids, the techno-oligarchs and several hundred of the most beautiful women on earth are ready to seed the Martian Colony.