The Official Russian Invasion of Ukraine Thread

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cal83dls79
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This war is the longest 3 days since McConaughey went to that planet near the black hole in Interstellar.
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Haloski said:

This war is the longest 3 days since McConaughey went to that planet near the black hole in Interstellar.

Imagine Biden voters trying to declare victory in this thread in 2025

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Aunburdened said:

Haloski said:

This war is the longest 3 days since McConaughey went to that planet near the black hole in Interstellar.

Imagine Biden voters trying to declare victory in this thread in 2025




Imagining that seems to be exactly what you're doing. I didn't vote for Biden.
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Haloski said:

Aunburdened said:

Haloski said:

This war is the longest 3 days since McConaughey went to that planet near the black hole in Interstellar.

Imagine Biden voters trying to declare victory in this thread in 2025




Imagining that seems to be exactly what you're doing. I didn't vote for Biden.

I'm sure you'll be happy to tell us who you did vote for then in 2020.
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Aunburdened said:

Haloski said:

This war is the longest 3 days since McConaughey went to that planet near the black hole in Interstellar.

Imagine Biden voters trying to declare victory in this thread in 2025



What does this have to do with it?
movielover
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Tit, meet tat.

"Russia threatens to confiscate $127 billion worth of Western Companies' assets if EU proceeds with plan to use Frozen Russian Assets to support Ukraine conflict...

"Russia is threatening to seize Western companies' assets if the European Union uses frozen Russian assets to fund Ukraine's war efforts. The Russian central bank has warned it will sue European banks in Russian courts to recover damages caused by the "unlawful blocking and use" of its assets. This move comes as EU leaders consider using around 210 billion ($246 billion) in frozen Russian assets to secure a loan for Ukraine.

The EU is divided on the issue, with Belgium, holding most of the frozen assets, seeking guarantees against potential Russian retaliation."

EU leaders are under pressure to find a solution, but they're tapped out.


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movielover
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Idiots in the UK playing w fire.

Aunburdened
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That dead warmonger may not have been a MAGA Republican, but he sure was a MUGA Republican.

But nothing to see here. The U.S. had nothing to do with the Maidan Coup.




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Aunburdened
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Cal88 said:



Democrats blew a gasket over $100K of horrible Facebook ads. Imagine if Putin had come to the U.S. making speeches like this?

Election interference. Nobody does it better than the U.S.
sycasey
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Well, I guess we'll see who's right!

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sycasey said:

Well, I guess we'll see who's right!



Tulsi better bury that intel.
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bearister said:

sycasey said:

Well, I guess we'll see who's right!



Tulsi better bury that intel.

She's on it!

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The Europeans get to enjoy what we do, write blank checks for the military while shorting social services.
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sycasey said:

Well, I guess we'll see who's right!



Good thing our intelligence services always tell the truth, particularly when it comes to Putin and Russia.


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Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Well, I guess we'll see who's right!



Good thing our intelligence services always tell the truth, particularly when it comes to Putin and Russia.

Did a lot of the same people refuting this also say that Putin would never invade Ukraine and that the "intelligence" claims that he would were all just a NATO misinformation campaign?

Maybe none of us can be too sure who's right here.
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The documents show that Russian president Putin was Bush's close ally in 2001 with their shared anti-terrorism focus, Putin's on Chechnya and Bush's on Al-Qaeda, to the point that Bush exclaimed "You're the type of guy I like to have in the foxhole with me."

But by the end of Bush's time in office, Putin had aired his severe criticisms of U.S. policies such as invading Iraq and expanding NATO in multiple venues including the famous Munich speech in 2007.



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Putin: Okay. Now I'd like to repeat what I said to Condi and Gates in Moscow on NATO enlargement. It won't be new to you and I don't expect a response. I just want to say it out loud. I'd like to emphasize accession to NATO of a country like Ukraine will create for the long-term a field of conflict for you and us, long-term confrontation.

Bush: Why?

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sycasey said:



LOL that you are so desperate for pro-Ukraine war propaganda that you've turned to Tablet magazine, a right-wing Jewish publication.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/tablet-magazine/

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Editorially, Tablet favors a pro-Israel conservative perspective such as this The Most Legitimate State on Earth. Further, they promote Zionism in articles like The Price of Being a Zionist Woman on Twitter. When reporting on USA politics, they were never a fan of former President Trump; however, they frequently report negatively on President Joe Biden, Biden Blames the Jews for His Ukraine Policy and Don't Believe Your Lying Eyesor Joe Biden's Big Mouth. Finally, when covering Covid-19 matters, they hold strong right-leaning opinions, such as How the CDC Abandoned Science. In general, Tablet Magazine has a right-leaning editorial bias and is mostly factual in reporting.

Here's what the author of your piece (which I doubt you read) believes.

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Israel has become the star player in the same neurotic Western ideological drama that we saw grip the US in summer 2020. The drama has Western roots and is *about* Western domestic politics, not anything happening in the Middle East.

The basic structure is the left-wing "white supremacy" narrativethe Israelis have agency and moral responsibility because they are "white," the Palestinians have none because they are nonwhite. Thus the toothlessness of asking why people don't "blame Hamas" or whatever. For Western progressives, that would be like blaming a dog instead of its owner.

Think of the drama over policing here from 2015-2020. No matter what insane **** some black perp did to provoke a response from a white cop, it was always packaged in the media as an ideologically loaded narrative about the made-up problems of "white supremacy" and "systemic racism." It was always the white cop's "fault," the "solution" was always attacking and weakening the police, and anybody observing that the factual basis of the narrative was flawed, or that the solutions wouldn't work, was subject to character assassination, social shunning, and in some cases professional consequences.

Saying now, from the vantage point of 2025, that progressive arguments about white supremacy (or COVID, MeToo, whatever) were "wrong" is to miss the point. These were political campaigns designed to produce political outcomes i.e., using racial resentment as an organizing tool to mobilize Democratic Party constituencies, demonizing white people and supposedly "white" institutions as proxies for the Republican Party and its voters, fracturing the GOP coalition by encouraging defections among elites vulnerable to elite shaming, raising costs of being seen to support "racist" GOP, getting inside GOP's OODA loop, etc.

It's the same now, with the difference being that there's a influential faction of the "New Right" / MAGA influencer world that sees its own domestic angle in joining the op, and has layered all sorts of paranoid fantasies about international Jewish power and rule-by-blackmail-and-conspiracy on top of the basic leftist narrative. A ceasefire in Gaza won't change any of that.


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Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:



LOL that you are so desperate for pro-Ukraine war propaganda that you've turned to Tablet magazine, a right-wing Jewish publication.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/tablet-magazine/

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Editorially, Tablet favors a pro-Israel conservative perspective such as this The Most Legitimate State on Earth. Further, they promote Zionism in articles like The Price of Being a Zionist Woman on Twitter. When reporting on USA politics, they were never a fan of former President Trump; however, they frequently report negatively on President Joe Biden, Biden Blames the Jews for His Ukraine Policy and Don't Believe Your Lying Eyesor Joe Biden's Big Mouth. Finally, when covering Covid-19 matters, they hold strong right-leaning opinions, such as How the CDC Abandoned Science. In general, Tablet Magazine has a right-leaning editorial bias and is mostly factual in reporting.

Here's what the author of your piece (which I doubt you read) believes.

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Israel has become the star player in the same neurotic Western ideological drama that we saw grip the US in summer 2020. The drama has Western roots and is *about* Western domestic politics, not anything happening in the Middle East. The basic structure is the left-wing "white supremacy" narrativethe Israelis have agency and moral responsibility because they are "white," the Palestinians have none because they are nonwhite. Thus the toothlessness of asking why people don't "blame Hamas" or whatever. For Western progressives, that would be like blaming a dog instead of its owner. Think of the drama over policing here from 2015-2020. No matter what insane **** some black perp did to provoke a response from a white cop, it was always packaged in the media as an ideologically loaded narrative about the made-up problems of "white supremacy" and "systemic racism." It was always the white cop's "fault," the "solution" was always attacking and weakening the police, and anybody observing that the factual basis of the narrative was flawed, or that the solutions wouldn't work, was subject to character assassination, social shunning, and in some cases professional consequences. Saying now, from the vantage point of 2025, that progressive arguments about white supremacy (or COVID, MeToo, whatever) were "wrong" is to miss the point. These were political campaigns designed to produce political outcomesi.e., using racial resentment as an organizing tool to mobilize Democratic Party constituencies, demonizing white people and supposedly "white" institutions as proxies for the Republican Party and its voters, fracturing the GOP coalition by encouraging defections among elites vulnerable to elite shaming, raising costs of being seen to support "racist" GOP, getting inside GOP's OODA loop, etc. It's the same now, with the difference being that there's a influential faction of the "New Right" / MAGA influencer world that sees its own domestic angle in joining the op, and has layered all sorts of paranoid fantasies about international Jewish power and rule-by-blackmail-and-conspiracy on top of the basic leftist narrative. A ceasefire in Gaza won't change any of that.



You seem to have a weird belief that if I agree with one thing a person says I have to agree with everything they ever said. You sure that all of your Twitter sources can hold up to that level of scrutiny?
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sycasey said:



The replies to that Telegraph UK tweet are excellent. Thanks for linking it!

Your pro-Ukraine war sources continue to get weaker and weaker.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-telegraph/

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According to The Financial Times, in 2015, The Telegraph urged its readers to vote Conservative via email from its editor Chris Evans. As a result, the paper was fined 30,000 by the data regulator, the independent office that regulates the organization's data use. Further, The Telegraph is strongly biased in favor of the Conservative party, earning the nickname "Daily Torygraph."

During the 2017 elections, The Telegraph backed Theresa May ( Prime Minister and Leader of the Conservative Party since 2016): "Vote Conservative for an independent, prosperous Britain." Here is a quote from the article demonstrating conservative bias "Only Theresa May has the attitude and the experience necessary to get the job done and to get it done in the cleanest, most comprehensive way. Jeremy Corbyn is not only incompetent and wrongheaded but dangerous." They also publish articles strongly biased against the Labor party such as this: "A Corbyn government would be a calamity everything else is just noise."


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The Telegraph regularly utilizes emotionally loaded language in their headlines and sources poorly through quotations or self-referral sourcing. They also routinely publish clickbait tabloid-style news such as "Is this workout the secret to Jennifer Aniston's youthful physique at 50?" and crime stories in their News section: "Libby Squire suspect charged with stealing sex toys and knickers from other women months before the disappearance of student."

In the past, The Telegraph issued an apology letter to Melania Trump for publishing false statements regarding her family and her modeling career and also agreed to pay substantial damages' over the article they published about the First Lady. Further, a Reuters institute survey found that 43% of respondents trust their news coverage and 22% do not, ranking them #9 in trust of the major UK news providers.

Failed Fact Checks



Also, John Spencer, the original tweeter has this tweet.


sycasey
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Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:



The replies to that Telegraph UK tweet are excellent. Thanks for linking it!

Your pro-Ukraine war sources continue to get weaker and weaker.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-telegraph/

Quote:

According to The Financial Times, in 2015, The Telegraph urged its readers to vote Conservative via email from its editor Chris Evans. As a result, the paper was fined 30,000 by the data regulator, the independent office that regulates the organization's data use. Further, The Telegraph is strongly biased in favor of the Conservative party, earning the nickname "Daily Torygraph."

During the 2017 elections, The Telegraph backed Theresa May ( Prime Minister and Leader of the Conservative Party since 2016): "Vote Conservative for an independent, prosperous Britain." Here is a quote from the article demonstrating conservative bias "Only Theresa May has the attitude and the experience necessary to get the job done and to get it done in the cleanest, most comprehensive way. Jeremy Corbyn is not only incompetent and wrongheaded but dangerous." They also publish articles strongly biased against the Labor party such as this: "A Corbyn government would be a calamity everything else is just noise."


Quote:

The Telegraph regularly utilizes emotionally loaded language in their headlines and sources poorly through quotations or self-referral sourcing. They also routinely publish clickbait tabloid-style news such as "Is this workout the secret to Jennifer Aniston's youthful physique at 50?" and crime stories in their News section: "Libby Squire suspect charged with stealing sex toys and knickers from other women months before the disappearance of student."

In the past, The Telegraph issued an apology letter to Melania Trump for publishing false statements regarding her family and her modeling career and also agreed to pay substantial damages' over the article they published about the First Lady. Further, a Reuters institute survey found that 43% of respondents trust their news coverage and 22% do not, ranking them #9 in trust of the major UK news providers.

Failed Fact Checks



Also, John Spencer, the original tweeter has this tweet.




People post ridiculous claims about Ukrainian casualties all the time here. Happy to provide a little balance.
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Cal88
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Haven't watched that vid yet, but this source is pretty reliable and politically unbiased, here is his recent coverage on Kupyansk:

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movielover
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Maybe it's the answer to Z repackaging the same EU proposal to Russia, keeping the Donbas in purgatory, so the EU can keep the region a spur in Russia's side for decades to come.
Cal88
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There are literally hundreds of drone and missile hits on Ukraine every week, but no pattern of random hits on civilian housing beyond some isolated cases.
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movielover
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Yup, war. And Z goes to MAL with some reshuffled EU plan keeping the strife in eastern Ukraine alive.
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Cal88 said:

Haven't watched that vid yet, but this source is pretty reliable and politically unbiased, here is his recent coverage on Kupyansk:



One of my guidelines about videos is to not watch the ones where the thumbnail shows the content creator mugging for the camera. They are almost always misleading.
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All the Kiev nationalist regime has to do to end a war they are certain to lose is to sign what is effectively an "Istanbul Plus" type of arrangement, which they were dissuaded from signing by Boris Johnson and other NATO criminal idiots.

Main terms once again:

  • Russian-occupied territories, populated by a majority of ethnic Russians, annexed to Russia
  • Neurality of Ukraine - no NATO membership
  • Demilitarization of Ukraine
  • Treatment of ethnic minorities in Ukraine similar to that of other civilized European countries (Switzerland, Spain, Belgium etc)
Instead they're going to push another half million Ukrainian men to their death and eventually be deposed by the Russian army, which will force these terms on the next Ukrainian government, with one third of Ukraine getting annexed - the whole Russophone majority parts, and the southwestern edge populated by the Rusyn minority going to Hungary.
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