Off Topic
Sponsored by

The Official Russian Invasion of Ukraine Thread

2,363,020 Views | 14170 Replies | Last: 1 day ago by sycasey
movielover
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Israeli PM Bennett believed they were serious and had at least a 50% chance of success.

Now Europe heads towards war with small stockpiles now depleted; no defensive missile capabilities; China limiting the export of rare earth's for weapons; minimal standing armies; and NATO / USA manufacturing capacity at 1/4 of Mother Russia.

FWIW, it looks like Russia is holding back the Oreshnik hypersonic midrange missile w 36 programmable submissiles for Europe / NATO.
sycasey
How long do you want to ignore this user?
movielover said:

Israeli PM Bennett believed they were serious and had at least a 50% chance of success.

Which negotiation are you talking about? As far as I know the only one he was involved in was the mid-war negotiation that you guys love to say was killed by Boris Johnson. I'm sure Boris didn't help, but one thing Bennett also says was that what really killed the negotiation was when Ukraine found out about Bucha.

https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-bennett-walks-back-claim-west-blocked-ukraine-russia-peace-deal-2023-2

I also find it very interesting that the same people who will dismiss any claims made by the awful genocidal state of Israel are also very eager to accept this partial assessment by an Israeli PM when it helps their narrative about Russia. Curious, that.
Cal88
How long do you want to ignore this user?
sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

cbbass1 said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

bearister said:

I like to get your take on articles like this. What say you?

Russia Said These Foreigners Wouldn't Have to Fight. Then It Sent Them to the Frontlines. - POLITICO https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2026/09/25/latin-america-russia-ukraine-war-peru-01091907

"As Russian President Vladimir Putin's war in Ukraine grinds on, Moscow is looking abroad to find soldiers to send into battle.
With recruitment becoming harder in some countries it previously relied on, predominantly in Africa and Asia, its war machine is increasingly turning to Latin America including Peru, a country of about 35 million people where testimonies from recruits and their relatives indicate that hundreds traveled to Moscow in the first half of this year alone.

The widening of the Kremlin's recruitment drive suggests that as Russian President Vladimir Putin hesitates to launch another round of military mobilization at home, the war is reaching deeper into the Western Hemisphere…"

I look forward to Politico's first article on Ukraine kidnapping their citizens off the street for their army, which will happen never.

But anyway, the war sounds bad. Probably should negotiate an end to it.

Problem is that Putin also needs to want to end it.


Putin has already made 3 serious diplomatic efforts to end the SMO:

  • Before the start of the SMO -- Putin proposed talks between NATO & Russia to negotiate a security framework for Eastern Europe and Ukraine, in order to avoid Ukraine joining NATO;
  • In April 2022, weeks after the start of the SMO, Russia & Ukraine reached a tentative agreement & initialed it. The agreement kept the Donbass in Ukraine, and ensured the safety of ethnic Russians there. Unfortunately, UK PM Boris Johnson & Biden & Blinken from the U.S. convinced Zelenskyy to "keep fighting";
  • In late 2025, Putin & Trump met in Anchorage to discuss Ukraine & potential cooperation & common interests in the Arctic. Russia accepted a U.S. peace proposal, but the U.S. abandoned it later.
    https://news.antiwar.com/2026/02/09/russias-lavrov-says-us-no-longer-wants-to-pursue-its-own-ukraine-peace-proposal/


It's hard to keep arguing with people who are living in a fantasy world where Russia has no ill intent and never does anything wrong.




Your perception of this conflict is something out of the WWF, entirely based on a cartoonish Cold War stereotype of Russians.

It is based on Russia doing invasions.


"Bad guy" invades "Good guy" is the level of your interpretation here.

Complete refusal and inability to process basic geopolitical facts presented by reliable sources like Burns, Matlock and others:






Aunburdened
How long do you want to ignore this user?
cbbass1 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

1-Ukraine has long been using ambulances and other civilian vehicles and buildings for military purposes.

Wow, this sounds exactly like Israel's justification for targeting civilian areas in Gaza. Yet you don't accept their explanations when they do it. I wonder why?

Because over 98% of Ukrainian KIAs were military. The Russians have used over 10 million shells, tens of thousands of drones and missiles yet only around 2% of their victims were civilians. They clearly do not target civilians.

This war is nothing like the Gaza war, where the Israelis have not only targeted and killed thousands of health workers, first aid workers, journalists, but even went out of their way to killing these civilian workers along with their families.

Look, if the Russians were anywhere near as bad as the Israelis, I would have been the first to denounce them. The difference between your perception of the conflict and mine is that you have a cultural bias against Russia and Russian culture that has been ingrained since the Cold War days. This is not unlike pro-zionists who buy into the Israeli narrative because they are culturally biased against Arabs and Muslims.

The difference between my perception of the conflict and yours is that I'm actually looking at what Russia is doing and you are relying on preconceptions about American foreign policy being bad.





And yeah, American foreign policy often is bad! But not everything is our fault. Russia makes choices too.

Your political memory is short.

The U.S. / Ukraine sent a pack of drones to assassinate Putin.

...and the U.S. & Israel kill foreign leaders without hesitation, like Supreme Leader Khaminei.

Democrats believe in nothing and remember even less
Aun "unburdened by what has been" Bear is the OG legend
- DaddyLegend 9/6/2026
cbbass1
How long do you want to ignore this user?
sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

cbbass1 said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

bearister said:

I like to get your take on articles like this. What say you?

Russia Said These Foreigners Wouldn't Have to Fight. Then It Sent Them to the Frontlines. - POLITICO https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2026/09/25/latin-america-russia-ukraine-war-peru-01091907

"As Russian President Vladimir Putin's war in Ukraine grinds on, Moscow is looking abroad to find soldiers to send into battle.
With recruitment becoming harder in some countries it previously relied on, predominantly in Africa and Asia, its war machine is increasingly turning to Latin America including Peru, a country of about 35 million people where testimonies from recruits and their relatives indicate that hundreds traveled to Moscow in the first half of this year alone.

The widening of the Kremlin's recruitment drive suggests that as Russian President Vladimir Putin hesitates to launch another round of military mobilization at home, the war is reaching deeper into the Western Hemisphere…"

I look forward to Politico's first article on Ukraine kidnapping their citizens off the street for their army, which will happen never.

But anyway, the war sounds bad. Probably should negotiate an end to it.

Problem is that Putin also needs to want to end it.


Putin has already made 3 serious diplomatic efforts to end the SMO:

  • Before the start of the SMO -- Putin proposed talks between NATO & Russia to negotiate a security framework for Eastern Europe and Ukraine, in order to avoid Ukraine joining NATO;
  • In April 2022, weeks after the start of the SMO, Russia & Ukraine reached a tentative agreement & initialed it. The agreement kept the Donbass in Ukraine, and ensured the safety of ethnic Russians there. Unfortunately, UK PM Boris Johnson & Biden & Blinken from the U.S. convinced Zelenskyy to "keep fighting";
  • In late 2025, Putin & Trump met in Anchorage to discuss Ukraine & potential cooperation & common interests in the Arctic. Russia accepted a U.S. peace proposal, but the U.S. abandoned it later.
    https://news.antiwar.com/2026/02/09/russias-lavrov-says-us-no-longer-wants-to-pursue-its-own-ukraine-peace-proposal/


It's hard to keep arguing with people who are living in a fantasy world where Russia has no ill intent and never does anything wrong.

hxxps://x.com/NatalkaKyiv/status/2105162405542023397?s=20


Your perception of this conflict is something out of the WWF, entirely based on a cartoonish Cold War stereotype of Russians.

It is based on Russia doing invasions.


For the last few months, Zelenskyy, the Ukrainian military, and their U.S. & EU cheerleaders have been rejoicing over the damage being done by their drone attacks on civilian targets, deep inside Russia. All over Western media, we've seen proclamations that "Ukraine is winning!", and "Victory is just around the corner!"

This was Zelenskyy's 'Hail Mary pass' -- using the last of its money & munitions to cause maximum damage to Russia's refineries & consumer product warehouses.

The underlying assumption was that the ensuing chaos would cause Russian voters to reject Putin and his United Russia in the first Duma (parliament) elections since the 2022 SMO. Instead -- as anyone with a functioning brain could easily predict -- Russian voters rallied around the flag, and gave Putin & the United Russia Party 355 seats out of the 450 seats possible. (That's 79%, in case you were wondering.)


The one question that no one in the U.S. / EU media seems to ask is, "How might Russia respond to Ukraine's drone attacks on civilian targets in Russia?"

Western media always treats any attack by Russia in Ukraine as "unprovoked", or "aggression". There is never a connection made between cause and effect.


Q: How would the U.S. respond if China or Russia engineered a popular anti-U.S. movement in Mexico, staged a coup d'etat, funded, equipped, and trained anti-U.S. militias to form an army, and helped them launch missile & drone attacks to kill the U.S. President, and severely damage oil refineries & Amazon in the Southern U.S.?

A: I think we can agree that Russia's response has been mild compared to what the U.S. would've done in a similar situation.


As Ukrainian Iullia Mendel (former Zelenskyy spokesperson) said to Western warmongers in the U.S. & Europe last week,
  • "If you want to fight Russia, go to the front lines..."
  • "... the western establishment would rather see Russia burn than Ukraine saved."
Mendel has been sanctioned by Ukraine for favoring a negotiated end to the war. She is now in exile, outside Ukraine.
sycasey
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

cbbass1 said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

bearister said:

I like to get your take on articles like this. What say you?

Russia Said These Foreigners Wouldn't Have to Fight. Then It Sent Them to the Frontlines. - POLITICO https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2026/09/25/latin-america-russia-ukraine-war-peru-01091907

"As Russian President Vladimir Putin's war in Ukraine grinds on, Moscow is looking abroad to find soldiers to send into battle.
With recruitment becoming harder in some countries it previously relied on, predominantly in Africa and Asia, its war machine is increasingly turning to Latin America including Peru, a country of about 35 million people where testimonies from recruits and their relatives indicate that hundreds traveled to Moscow in the first half of this year alone.

The widening of the Kremlin's recruitment drive suggests that as Russian President Vladimir Putin hesitates to launch another round of military mobilization at home, the war is reaching deeper into the Western Hemisphere…"

I look forward to Politico's first article on Ukraine kidnapping their citizens off the street for their army, which will happen never.

But anyway, the war sounds bad. Probably should negotiate an end to it.

Problem is that Putin also needs to want to end it.


Putin has already made 3 serious diplomatic efforts to end the SMO:

  • Before the start of the SMO -- Putin proposed talks between NATO & Russia to negotiate a security framework for Eastern Europe and Ukraine, in order to avoid Ukraine joining NATO;
  • In April 2022, weeks after the start of the SMO, Russia & Ukraine reached a tentative agreement & initialed it. The agreement kept the Donbass in Ukraine, and ensured the safety of ethnic Russians there. Unfortunately, UK PM Boris Johnson & Biden & Blinken from the U.S. convinced Zelenskyy to "keep fighting";
  • In late 2025, Putin & Trump met in Anchorage to discuss Ukraine & potential cooperation & common interests in the Arctic. Russia accepted a U.S. peace proposal, but the U.S. abandoned it later.
    https://news.antiwar.com/2026/02/09/russias-lavrov-says-us-no-longer-wants-to-pursue-its-own-ukraine-peace-proposal/


It's hard to keep arguing with people who are living in a fantasy world where Russia has no ill intent and never does anything wrong.




Your perception of this conflict is something out of the WWF, entirely based on a cartoonish Cold War stereotype of Russians.

It is based on Russia doing invasions.


"Bad guy" invades "Good guy" is the level of your interpretation here.

How is this any different from how you evaluate Israel?

Besides, I have acknowledged plenty of "bad" stuff on "my side." I don't think American diplomatic policy has always been great on this. I don't like the Ukrainian practice of aggressively forced conscriptions. I just think Russia's invasions kind of outweigh all that. It's frankly astounding to me that anyone disagrees on that point.
cbbass1
How long do you want to ignore this user?
sycasey said:

movielover said:

Israeli PM Bennett believed they were serious and had at least a 50% chance of success.

Which negotiation are you talking about? As far as I know the only one he was involved in was the mid-war negotiation that you guys love to say was killed by Boris Johnson. I'm sure Boris didn't help, but one thing Bennett also says was that what really killed the negotiation was when Ukraine found out about Bucha.

https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-bennett-walks-back-claim-west-blocked-ukraine-russia-peace-deal-2023-2

I also find it very interesting that the same people who will dismiss any claims made by the awful genocidal state of Israel are also very eager to accept this partial assessment by an Israeli PM when it helps their narrative about Russia. Curious, that.

This was only a short time after the discovery of the Bucha massacre. Of course, the Ukrainians claimed that the victims were aligned with Ukrainian nationalists, and killed by Russian troops.

But even in Western Ukraine, there have been a significant number of ethnic Russians and Russian speakers who favored Ukrainian neutrality; and were not in favor of their nation being taken over by neo-Nazi anti-Russian militias who wanted to outlaw the Russian language and ethnically cleanse Ukraine of all ethnic Russians.

So -- simple question: Were the victims ethnic Ukrainians who were killed by Russian troops? OR, were the victims ethnic Russians, or sympathetic to Russia, who were killed by the Ukrainian neo-Nazi / anti-Russian ultra-nationalists? IF there were any actual journalists in the Western Media, we would know.

That question can be narrowed down, at least, by a simple look at the timeline.

  • Wed, 3/30 - Russia's Ministry of Defense reports the departure of Russian troops from Bucha.
  • Thurs, 3/31 - Bucha's Mayor Fedoruk creates a selfie video that announces Bucha's "Liberation Day", celebrating the departure of Russian troops from Bucha.
    "This day will go down in the glorious history of Bucha and the entire Bucha community as a day of liberation by the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the Russian occupiers."
    Note: Bucha is a small suburb of Kyiv, about 2 miles across; smaller than Moraga or Mountain View, CA. 40+ bodies in the streets would, presumably, be hard to miss.
  • Sat, 4/2 - The New York Times reports from Bucha. There is no mention of any dead bodies. NYT also reports that the withdrawal of Russian troops was "completed" on Saturday, 4/2 -- 2 days after the Mayor's video, and 3 days after the report by Russia's MOD
  • Sat, 4/2 - The U.S./EU-funded Gorshenin Institute's Ukrainian language site, Left Bank, announces:
    'Special forces have begun a clearing operation in the city of Bucha in the Kyiv region, which has been liberated by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The city is being cleared from saboteurs and accomplices of Russian forces.'
  • Sun, 4/3 - The NYT runs the Bucha Massacre story, blaming Russian troops.
Check out the story, follow the links. Think for yourself.
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/04/04/questions-abound-about-bucha-massacre/
Aunburdened
How long do you want to ignore this user?
cbbass1 said:

Check out the story, follow the links. Think for yourself.
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/04/04/questions-abound-about-bucha-massacre/

You're asking him for something he cannot do.
Aun "unburdened by what has been" Bear is the OG legend
- DaddyLegend 9/6/2026
sycasey
How long do you want to ignore this user?
cbbass1 said:

sycasey said:

movielover said:

Israeli PM Bennett believed they were serious and had at least a 50% chance of success.

Which negotiation are you talking about? As far as I know the only one he was involved in was the mid-war negotiation that you guys love to say was killed by Boris Johnson. I'm sure Boris didn't help, but one thing Bennett also says was that what really killed the negotiation was when Ukraine found out about Bucha.

https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-bennett-walks-back-claim-west-blocked-ukraine-russia-peace-deal-2023-2

I also find it very interesting that the same people who will dismiss any claims made by the awful genocidal state of Israel are also very eager to accept this partial assessment by an Israeli PM when it helps their narrative about Russia. Curious, that.

This was only a short time after the discovery of the Bucha massacre. Of course, the Ukrainians claimed that the victims were aligned with Ukrainian nationalists, and killed by Russian troops.

But even in Western Ukraine, there have been a significant number of ethnic Russians and Russian speakers who favored Ukrainian neutrality; and were not in favor of their nation being taken over by neo-Nazi anti-Russian militias who wanted to outlaw the Russian language and ethnically cleanse Ukraine of all ethnic Russians.

So -- simple question: Were the victims ethnic Ukrainians who were killed by Russian troops? OR, were the victims ethnic Russians, or sympathetic to Russia, who were killed by the Ukrainian neo-Nazi / anti-Russian ultra-nationalists? IF there were any actual journalists in the Western Media, we would know.

That question can be narrowed down, at least, by a simple look at the timeline.

  • Wed, 3/30 - Russia's Ministry of Defense reports the departure of Russian troops from Bucha.
  • Thurs, 3/31 - Bucha's Mayor Fedoruk creates a selfie video that announces Bucha's "Liberation Day", celebrating the departure of Russian troops from Bucha.
    "This day will go down in the glorious history of Bucha and the entire Bucha community as a day of liberation by the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the Russian occupiers."
    Note: Bucha is a small suburb of Kyiv, about 2 miles across; smaller than Moraga or Mountain View, CA. 40+ bodies in the streets would, presumably, be hard to miss.
  • Sat, 4/2 - The New York Times reports from Bucha. There is no mention of any dead bodies. NYT also reports that the withdrawal of Russian troops was "completed" on Saturday, 4/2 -- 2 days after the Mayor's video, and 3 days after the report by Russia's MOD
  • Sat, 4/2 - The U.S./EU-funded Gorshenin Institute's Ukrainian language site, Left Bank, announces:
    'Special forces have begun a clearing operation in the city of Bucha in the Kyiv region, which has been liberated by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The city is being cleared from saboteurs and accomplices of Russian forces.'
  • Sun, 4/3 - The NYT runs the Bucha Massacre story, blaming Russian troops.
Check out the story, follow the links. Think for yourself.
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/04/04/questions-abound-about-bucha-massacre/

They were Ukrainians killed by the Russians. This was confirmed in multiple international outlets.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-retreat-leaves-trail-slain-civilians-town-near-kyiv-2022-04-02/

No, I will not be reading your conspiracy websites. I've seen enough of Consortium News' bulls**t.
cbbass1
How long do you want to ignore this user?
sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

cbbass1 said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

bearister said:

I like to get your take on articles like this. What say you?

Russia Said These Foreigners Wouldn't Have to Fight. Then It Sent Them to the Frontlines. - POLITICO https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2026/09/25/latin-america-russia-ukraine-war-peru-01091907

"As Russian President Vladimir Putin's war in Ukraine grinds on, Moscow is looking abroad to find soldiers to send into battle.
With recruitment becoming harder in some countries it previously relied on, predominantly in Africa and Asia, its war machine is increasingly turning to Latin America including Peru, a country of about 35 million people where testimonies from recruits and their relatives indicate that hundreds traveled to Moscow in the first half of this year alone.

The widening of the Kremlin's recruitment drive suggests that as Russian President Vladimir Putin hesitates to launch another round of military mobilization at home, the war is reaching deeper into the Western Hemisphere…"

I look forward to Politico's first article on Ukraine kidnapping their citizens off the street for their army, which will happen never.

But anyway, the war sounds bad. Probably should negotiate an end to it.

Problem is that Putin also needs to want to end it.


Putin has already made 3 serious diplomatic efforts to end the SMO:

  • Before the start of the SMO -- Putin proposed talks between NATO & Russia to negotiate a security framework for Eastern Europe and Ukraine, in order to avoid Ukraine joining NATO;
  • In April 2022, weeks after the start of the SMO, Russia & Ukraine reached a tentative agreement & initialed it. The agreement kept the Donbass in Ukraine, and ensured the safety of ethnic Russians there. Unfortunately, UK PM Boris Johnson & Biden & Blinken from the U.S. convinced Zelenskyy to "keep fighting";
  • In late 2025, Putin & Trump met in Anchorage to discuss Ukraine & potential cooperation & common interests in the Arctic. Russia accepted a U.S. peace proposal, but the U.S. abandoned it later.
    https://news.antiwar.com/2026/02/09/russias-lavrov-says-us-no-longer-wants-to-pursue-its-own-ukraine-peace-proposal/


It's hard to keep arguing with people who are living in a fantasy world where Russia has no ill intent and never does anything wrong.

hxxps://x.com/NatalkaKyiv/status/2105162405542023397?s=20


Your perception of this conflict is something out of the WWF, entirely based on a cartoonish Cold War stereotype of Russians.

It is based on Russia doing invasions.


"Bad guy" invades "Good guy" is the level of your interpretation here.

How is this any different from how you evaluate Israel?

Besides, I have acknowledged plenty of "bad" stuff on "my side." I don't think American diplomatic policy has always been great on this. I don't like the Ukrainian practice of aggressively forced conscriptions. I just think Russia's invasions kind of outweigh all that. It's frankly astounding to me that anyone disagrees on that point.

It's frankly astounding that anyone sees Putin & Russia as the aggressor, rather than the U.S. & NATO -- by their own admission, in their own writings.

The drone attacks by Ukraine on Russia are the culmination of a 35+ year dream among U.S. NeoConservatives.
bearister
How long do you want to ignore this user?
"It's frankly astounding that anyone sees ….."

Yeah, that added a lot of iron to all the words that followed.
“Cancel my subscription to the Resurrection
Send my credentials to the House of Detention
I got some friends inside”
—Jim Morrison

“I love Cal deeply, by the way, what are the directions to The Portal from Sproul Plaza?”
sycasey
How long do you want to ignore this user?
cbbass1 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

cbbass1 said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

bearister said:

I like to get your take on articles like this. What say you?

Russia Said These Foreigners Wouldn't Have to Fight. Then It Sent Them to the Frontlines. - POLITICO https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2026/09/25/latin-america-russia-ukraine-war-peru-01091907

"As Russian President Vladimir Putin's war in Ukraine grinds on, Moscow is looking abroad to find soldiers to send into battle.
With recruitment becoming harder in some countries it previously relied on, predominantly in Africa and Asia, its war machine is increasingly turning to Latin America including Peru, a country of about 35 million people where testimonies from recruits and their relatives indicate that hundreds traveled to Moscow in the first half of this year alone.

The widening of the Kremlin's recruitment drive suggests that as Russian President Vladimir Putin hesitates to launch another round of military mobilization at home, the war is reaching deeper into the Western Hemisphere…"

I look forward to Politico's first article on Ukraine kidnapping their citizens off the street for their army, which will happen never.

But anyway, the war sounds bad. Probably should negotiate an end to it.

Problem is that Putin also needs to want to end it.


Putin has already made 3 serious diplomatic efforts to end the SMO:

  • Before the start of the SMO -- Putin proposed talks between NATO & Russia to negotiate a security framework for Eastern Europe and Ukraine, in order to avoid Ukraine joining NATO;
  • In April 2022, weeks after the start of the SMO, Russia & Ukraine reached a tentative agreement & initialed it. The agreement kept the Donbass in Ukraine, and ensured the safety of ethnic Russians there. Unfortunately, UK PM Boris Johnson & Biden & Blinken from the U.S. convinced Zelenskyy to "keep fighting";
  • In late 2025, Putin & Trump met in Anchorage to discuss Ukraine & potential cooperation & common interests in the Arctic. Russia accepted a U.S. peace proposal, but the U.S. abandoned it later.
    https://news.antiwar.com/2026/02/09/russias-lavrov-says-us-no-longer-wants-to-pursue-its-own-ukraine-peace-proposal/


It's hard to keep arguing with people who are living in a fantasy world where Russia has no ill intent and never does anything wrong.

hxxps://x.com/NatalkaKyiv/status/2105162405542023397?s=20


Your perception of this conflict is something out of the WWF, entirely based on a cartoonish Cold War stereotype of Russians.

It is based on Russia doing invasions.


"Bad guy" invades "Good guy" is the level of your interpretation here.

How is this any different from how you evaluate Israel?

Besides, I have acknowledged plenty of "bad" stuff on "my side." I don't think American diplomatic policy has always been great on this. I don't like the Ukrainian practice of aggressively forced conscriptions. I just think Russia's invasions kind of outweigh all that. It's frankly astounding to me that anyone disagrees on that point.

It's frankly astounding that anyone sees Putin & Russia as the aggressor, rather than the U.S. & NATO -- by their own admission, in their own writings.

I struggle to see how anyone would find it "astounding" that the country that sent its army into another country to topple its government is considered "the aggressor," but I suppose up is down in the left-wing tankie world these days.
Aunburdened
How long do you want to ignore this user?
There is no path to victory for Ukraine

Aun "unburdened by what has been" Bear is the OG legend
- DaddyLegend 9/6/2026
cbbass1
How long do you want to ignore this user?
sycasey said:

cbbass1 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

cbbass1 said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

bearister said:

I like to get your take on articles like this. What say you?

Russia Said These Foreigners Wouldn't Have to Fight. Then It Sent Them to the Frontlines. - POLITICO https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2026/09/25/latin-america-russia-ukraine-war-peru-01091907

"As Russian President Vladimir Putin's war in Ukraine grinds on, Moscow is looking abroad to find soldiers to send into battle.
With recruitment becoming harder in some countries it previously relied on, predominantly in Africa and Asia, its war machine is increasingly turning to Latin America including Peru, a country of about 35 million people where testimonies from recruits and their relatives indicate that hundreds traveled to Moscow in the first half of this year alone.

The widening of the Kremlin's recruitment drive suggests that as Russian President Vladimir Putin hesitates to launch another round of military mobilization at home, the war is reaching deeper into the Western Hemisphere…"

I look forward to Politico's first article on Ukraine kidnapping their citizens off the street for their army, which will happen never.

But anyway, the war sounds bad. Probably should negotiate an end to it.

Problem is that Putin also needs to want to end it.


Putin has already made 3 serious diplomatic efforts to end the SMO:

  • Before the start of the SMO -- Putin proposed talks between NATO & Russia to negotiate a security framework for Eastern Europe and Ukraine, in order to avoid Ukraine joining NATO;
  • In April 2022, weeks after the start of the SMO, Russia & Ukraine reached a tentative agreement & initialed it. The agreement kept the Donbass in Ukraine, and ensured the safety of ethnic Russians there. Unfortunately, UK PM Boris Johnson & Biden & Blinken from the U.S. convinced Zelenskyy to "keep fighting";
  • In late 2025, Putin & Trump met in Anchorage to discuss Ukraine & potential cooperation & common interests in the Arctic. Russia accepted a U.S. peace proposal, but the U.S. abandoned it later.
    https://news.antiwar.com/2026/02/09/russias-lavrov-says-us-no-longer-wants-to-pursue-its-own-ukraine-peace-proposal/


It's hard to keep arguing with people who are living in a fantasy world where Russia has no ill intent and never does anything wrong.

hxxps://x.com/NatalkaKyiv/status/2105162405542023397?s=20


Your perception of this conflict is something out of the WWF, entirely based on a cartoonish Cold War stereotype of Russians.

It is based on Russia doing invasions.


"Bad guy" invades "Good guy" is the level of your interpretation here.

How is this any different from how you evaluate Israel?

Besides, I have acknowledged plenty of "bad" stuff on "my side." I don't think American diplomatic policy has always been great on this. I don't like the Ukrainian practice of aggressively forced conscriptions. I just think Russia's invasions kind of outweigh all that. It's frankly astounding to me that anyone disagrees on that point.

It's frankly astounding that anyone sees Putin & Russia as the aggressor, rather than the U.S. & NATO -- by their own admission, in their own writings.

I struggle to see how anyone would find it "astounding" that the country that sent its army into another country to topple its government is considered "the aggressor," but I suppose up is down in the left-wing tankie world these days.

That's why the U.S. didn't use its own armed forces to attack the Donbass separatists, slaughtering 11,000, & then proceed to attack Russia; it built Ukraine's proxy army from a collection of neo-Nazi militia anti-Russian zealots, and spent $billions arming & training them, with the CIA providing intelligence & weapons expertise. After the violent overthrow of Ukraine's democratically-elected government, of course.

IF the U.S. hadn't sponsored & engineered the Orange Revolution (2004) and the Maidan coup (2014), and encouraged the Ukrainian militias to attempt their military takeover in the Donbass, there would've been no reason for Russia to attack.

You're still in denial about WHY Putin attacked Ukraine in the first place. The corporate media repeated the word "unprovoked" 20+ times, in every article & every news segment, so that you would firmly believe that the SMO was unprovoked & 100% out of the blue.

The reason why they said "unprovoked" ad nauseum was because they knew that WE (the U.S.) provoked it, but they HAD to blame it on Russia, so that $hundreds of $billions would keep flowing.

And they STILL are trying to maintain the fantasy that Putin is going to conquer all of Ukraine (he won't), and embark on a military conquest of Europe (he would be impeached if he did) -- in a futile attempt to justify the U.S. & EU aggression.

sycasey
How long do you want to ignore this user?
cbbass1 said:

sycasey said:

cbbass1 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

cbbass1 said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

bearister said:

I like to get your take on articles like this. What say you?

Russia Said These Foreigners Wouldn't Have to Fight. Then It Sent Them to the Frontlines. - POLITICO https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2026/09/25/latin-america-russia-ukraine-war-peru-01091907

"As Russian President Vladimir Putin's war in Ukraine grinds on, Moscow is looking abroad to find soldiers to send into battle.
With recruitment becoming harder in some countries it previously relied on, predominantly in Africa and Asia, its war machine is increasingly turning to Latin America including Peru, a country of about 35 million people where testimonies from recruits and their relatives indicate that hundreds traveled to Moscow in the first half of this year alone.

The widening of the Kremlin's recruitment drive suggests that as Russian President Vladimir Putin hesitates to launch another round of military mobilization at home, the war is reaching deeper into the Western Hemisphere…"

I look forward to Politico's first article on Ukraine kidnapping their citizens off the street for their army, which will happen never.

But anyway, the war sounds bad. Probably should negotiate an end to it.

Problem is that Putin also needs to want to end it.


Putin has already made 3 serious diplomatic efforts to end the SMO:

  • Before the start of the SMO -- Putin proposed talks between NATO & Russia to negotiate a security framework for Eastern Europe and Ukraine, in order to avoid Ukraine joining NATO;
  • In April 2022, weeks after the start of the SMO, Russia & Ukraine reached a tentative agreement & initialed it. The agreement kept the Donbass in Ukraine, and ensured the safety of ethnic Russians there. Unfortunately, UK PM Boris Johnson & Biden & Blinken from the U.S. convinced Zelenskyy to "keep fighting";
  • In late 2025, Putin & Trump met in Anchorage to discuss Ukraine & potential cooperation & common interests in the Arctic. Russia accepted a U.S. peace proposal, but the U.S. abandoned it later.
    https://news.antiwar.com/2026/02/09/russias-lavrov-says-us-no-longer-wants-to-pursue-its-own-ukraine-peace-proposal/


It's hard to keep arguing with people who are living in a fantasy world where Russia has no ill intent and never does anything wrong.

hxxps://x.com/NatalkaKyiv/status/2105162405542023397?s=20


Your perception of this conflict is something out of the WWF, entirely based on a cartoonish Cold War stereotype of Russians.

It is based on Russia doing invasions.


"Bad guy" invades "Good guy" is the level of your interpretation here.

How is this any different from how you evaluate Israel?

Besides, I have acknowledged plenty of "bad" stuff on "my side." I don't think American diplomatic policy has always been great on this. I don't like the Ukrainian practice of aggressively forced conscriptions. I just think Russia's invasions kind of outweigh all that. It's frankly astounding to me that anyone disagrees on that point.

It's frankly astounding that anyone sees Putin & Russia as the aggressor, rather than the U.S. & NATO -- by their own admission, in their own writings.

I struggle to see how anyone would find it "astounding" that the country that sent its army into another country to topple its government is considered "the aggressor," but I suppose up is down in the left-wing tankie world these days.

That's why the U.S. didn't use its own armed forces to attack the Donbass separatists, slaughtering 11,000, & then proceed to attack Russia; it built Ukraine's proxy army from a collection of neo-Nazi militia anti-Russian zealots, and spent $billions arming & training them, with the CIA providing intelligence & weapons expertise. After the violent overthrow of Ukraine's democratically-elected government, of course.

IF the U.S. hadn't sponsored & engineered the Orange Revolution (2004) and the Maidan coup (2014), and encouraged the Ukrainian militias to attempt their military takeover in the Donbass, there would've been no reason for Russia to attack.

You're still in denial about WHY Putin attacked Ukraine in the first place. The corporate media repeated the word "unprovoked" 20+ times, in every article & every news segment, so that you would firmly believe that the SMO was unprovoked & 100% out of the blue.

The reason why they said "unprovoked" ad nauseum was because they knew that WE (the U.S.) provoked it, but they HAD to blame it on Russia, so that $hundreds of $billions would keep flowing.

And they STILL are trying to maintain the fantasy that Putin is going to conquer all of Ukraine (he won't), and embark on a military conquest of Europe (he would be impeached if he did) -- in a futile attempt to justify the U.S. & EU aggression.

I wouldn't say it was fully "unprovoked," but the fact remains that Russia was not under attack and they chose to invade Ukraine. That makes Russia the aggressor.

I could walk up to you and say all kinds of provocative insults and that would be bad behavior by me. But if you take out a gun and shoot me in the head, you're still guilty of murder.
Aunburdened
How long do you want to ignore this user?
sycasey said:

I wouldn't say it was fully "unprovoked," but the fact remains that Russia was not under attack and they chose to invade Ukraine. That makes Russia the aggressor.

I could walk up to you and say all kinds of provocative insults and that would be bad behavior by me. But if you take out a gun and shoot me in the head, you're still guilty of murder.

LOL at comparing what Ukraine and NATO were doing to shouting insults across the border.

Aun "unburdened by what has been" Bear is the OG legend
- DaddyLegend 9/6/2026
cbbass1
How long do you want to ignore this user?
sycasey said:

cbbass1 said:

sycasey said:

cbbass1 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

cbbass1 said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

bearister said:

I like to get your take on articles like this. What say you?

Russia Said These Foreigners Wouldn't Have to Fight. Then It Sent Them to the Frontlines. - POLITICO https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2026/09/25/latin-america-russia-ukraine-war-peru-01091907

"As Russian President Vladimir Putin's war in Ukraine grinds on, Moscow is looking abroad to find soldiers to send into battle.
With recruitment becoming harder in some countries it previously relied on, predominantly in Africa and Asia, its war machine is increasingly turning to Latin America including Peru, a country of about 35 million people where testimonies from recruits and their relatives indicate that hundreds traveled to Moscow in the first half of this year alone.

The widening of the Kremlin's recruitment drive suggests that as Russian President Vladimir Putin hesitates to launch another round of military mobilization at home, the war is reaching deeper into the Western Hemisphere…"

I look forward to Politico's first article on Ukraine kidnapping their citizens off the street for their army, which will happen never.

But anyway, the war sounds bad. Probably should negotiate an end to it.

Problem is that Putin also needs to want to end it.


Putin has already made 3 serious diplomatic efforts to end the SMO:

  • Before the start of the SMO -- Putin proposed talks between NATO & Russia to negotiate a security framework for Eastern Europe and Ukraine, in order to avoid Ukraine joining NATO;
  • In April 2022, weeks after the start of the SMO, Russia & Ukraine reached a tentative agreement & initialed it. The agreement kept the Donbass in Ukraine, and ensured the safety of ethnic Russians there. Unfortunately, UK PM Boris Johnson & Biden & Blinken from the U.S. convinced Zelenskyy to "keep fighting";
  • In late 2025, Putin & Trump met in Anchorage to discuss Ukraine & potential cooperation & common interests in the Arctic. Russia accepted a U.S. peace proposal, but the U.S. abandoned it later.
    https://news.antiwar.com/2026/02/09/russias-lavrov-says-us-no-longer-wants-to-pursue-its-own-ukraine-peace-proposal/


It's hard to keep arguing with people who are living in a fantasy world where Russia has no ill intent and never does anything wrong.

hxxps://x.com/NatalkaKyiv/status/2105162405542023397?s=20


Your perception of this conflict is something out of the WWF, entirely based on a cartoonish Cold War stereotype of Russians.

It is based on Russia doing invasions.


"Bad guy" invades "Good guy" is the level of your interpretation here.

How is this any different from how you evaluate Israel?

Besides, I have acknowledged plenty of "bad" stuff on "my side." I don't think American diplomatic policy has always been great on this. I don't like the Ukrainian practice of aggressively forced conscriptions. I just think Russia's invasions kind of outweigh all that. It's frankly astounding to me that anyone disagrees on that point.

It's frankly astounding that anyone sees Putin & Russia as the aggressor, rather than the U.S. & NATO -- by their own admission, in their own writings.

I struggle to see how anyone would find it "astounding" that the country that sent its army into another country to topple its government is considered "the aggressor," but I suppose up is down in the left-wing tankie world these days.

That's why the U.S. didn't use its own armed forces to attack the Donbass separatists, slaughtering 11,000, & then proceed to attack Russia; it built Ukraine's proxy army from a collection of neo-Nazi militia anti-Russian zealots, and spent $billions arming & training them, with the CIA providing intelligence & weapons expertise. After the violent overthrow of Ukraine's democratically-elected government, of course.

IF the U.S. hadn't sponsored & engineered the Orange Revolution (2004) and the Maidan coup (2014), and encouraged the Ukrainian militias to attempt their military takeover in the Donbass, there would've been no reason for Russia to attack.

You're still in denial about WHY Putin attacked Ukraine in the first place. The corporate media repeated the word "unprovoked" 20+ times, in every article & every news segment, so that you would firmly believe that the SMO was unprovoked & 100% out of the blue.

The reason why they said "unprovoked" ad nauseum was because they knew that WE (the U.S.) provoked it, but they HAD to blame it on Russia, so that $hundreds of $billions would keep flowing.

And they STILL are trying to maintain the fantasy that Putin is going to conquer all of Ukraine (he won't), and embark on a military conquest of Europe (he would be impeached if he did) -- in a futile attempt to justify the U.S. & EU aggression.

I wouldn't say it was fully "unprovoked," but the fact remains that Russia was not under attack and they chose to invade Ukraine. That makes Russia the aggressor.

I could walk up to you and say all kinds of provocative insults and that would be bad behavior by me. But if you take out a gun and shoot me in the head, you're still guilty of murder.

However, if you'd been planning the entire scenario for the last 20 years, and publishing papers about your plans to carry out your attack, it's a different story. Putin & the Russians know all about your plan to wipe them out.

That's why they attacked.
sycasey
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

I wouldn't say it was fully "unprovoked," but the fact remains that Russia was not under attack and they chose to invade Ukraine. That makes Russia the aggressor.

I could walk up to you and say all kinds of provocative insults and that would be bad behavior by me. But if you take out a gun and shoot me in the head, you're still guilty of murder.

LOL at comparing what Ukraine and NATO were doing to shouting insults across the border.

Relative to an actual military invasion? Yes.

Everything Russia does is an insane escalation on whatever the "West" was doing (as intentional provocation or not).
sycasey
How long do you want to ignore this user?
cbbass1 said:

sycasey said:

cbbass1 said:

sycasey said:

cbbass1 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

cbbass1 said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

bearister said:

I like to get your take on articles like this. What say you?

Russia Said These Foreigners Wouldn't Have to Fight. Then It Sent Them to the Frontlines. - POLITICO https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2026/09/25/latin-america-russia-ukraine-war-peru-01091907

"As Russian President Vladimir Putin's war in Ukraine grinds on, Moscow is looking abroad to find soldiers to send into battle.
With recruitment becoming harder in some countries it previously relied on, predominantly in Africa and Asia, its war machine is increasingly turning to Latin America including Peru, a country of about 35 million people where testimonies from recruits and their relatives indicate that hundreds traveled to Moscow in the first half of this year alone.

The widening of the Kremlin's recruitment drive suggests that as Russian President Vladimir Putin hesitates to launch another round of military mobilization at home, the war is reaching deeper into the Western Hemisphere…"

I look forward to Politico's first article on Ukraine kidnapping their citizens off the street for their army, which will happen never.

But anyway, the war sounds bad. Probably should negotiate an end to it.

Problem is that Putin also needs to want to end it.


Putin has already made 3 serious diplomatic efforts to end the SMO:

  • Before the start of the SMO -- Putin proposed talks between NATO & Russia to negotiate a security framework for Eastern Europe and Ukraine, in order to avoid Ukraine joining NATO;
  • In April 2022, weeks after the start of the SMO, Russia & Ukraine reached a tentative agreement & initialed it. The agreement kept the Donbass in Ukraine, and ensured the safety of ethnic Russians there. Unfortunately, UK PM Boris Johnson & Biden & Blinken from the U.S. convinced Zelenskyy to "keep fighting";
  • In late 2025, Putin & Trump met in Anchorage to discuss Ukraine & potential cooperation & common interests in the Arctic. Russia accepted a U.S. peace proposal, but the U.S. abandoned it later.
    https://news.antiwar.com/2026/02/09/russias-lavrov-says-us-no-longer-wants-to-pursue-its-own-ukraine-peace-proposal/


It's hard to keep arguing with people who are living in a fantasy world where Russia has no ill intent and never does anything wrong.

hxxps://x.com/NatalkaKyiv/status/2105162405542023397?s=20


Your perception of this conflict is something out of the WWF, entirely based on a cartoonish Cold War stereotype of Russians.

It is based on Russia doing invasions.


"Bad guy" invades "Good guy" is the level of your interpretation here.

How is this any different from how you evaluate Israel?

Besides, I have acknowledged plenty of "bad" stuff on "my side." I don't think American diplomatic policy has always been great on this. I don't like the Ukrainian practice of aggressively forced conscriptions. I just think Russia's invasions kind of outweigh all that. It's frankly astounding to me that anyone disagrees on that point.

It's frankly astounding that anyone sees Putin & Russia as the aggressor, rather than the U.S. & NATO -- by their own admission, in their own writings.

I struggle to see how anyone would find it "astounding" that the country that sent its army into another country to topple its government is considered "the aggressor," but I suppose up is down in the left-wing tankie world these days.

That's why the U.S. didn't use its own armed forces to attack the Donbass separatists, slaughtering 11,000, & then proceed to attack Russia; it built Ukraine's proxy army from a collection of neo-Nazi militia anti-Russian zealots, and spent $billions arming & training them, with the CIA providing intelligence & weapons expertise. After the violent overthrow of Ukraine's democratically-elected government, of course.

IF the U.S. hadn't sponsored & engineered the Orange Revolution (2004) and the Maidan coup (2014), and encouraged the Ukrainian militias to attempt their military takeover in the Donbass, there would've been no reason for Russia to attack.

You're still in denial about WHY Putin attacked Ukraine in the first place. The corporate media repeated the word "unprovoked" 20+ times, in every article & every news segment, so that you would firmly believe that the SMO was unprovoked & 100% out of the blue.

The reason why they said "unprovoked" ad nauseum was because they knew that WE (the U.S.) provoked it, but they HAD to blame it on Russia, so that $hundreds of $billions would keep flowing.

And they STILL are trying to maintain the fantasy that Putin is going to conquer all of Ukraine (he won't), and embark on a military conquest of Europe (he would be impeached if he did) -- in a futile attempt to justify the U.S. & EU aggression.

I wouldn't say it was fully "unprovoked," but the fact remains that Russia was not under attack and they chose to invade Ukraine. That makes Russia the aggressor.

I could walk up to you and say all kinds of provocative insults and that would be bad behavior by me. But if you take out a gun and shoot me in the head, you're still guilty of murder.

However, if you'd been planning the entire scenario for the last 20 years, and publishing papers about your plans to carry out your attack, it's a different story. Putin & the Russians know all about your plan to wipe them out.

This is insane paranoia on Putin's part. There was no chance anyone in NATO wanted to attack Russia.
Cal88
How long do you want to ignore this user?
sycasey said:

cbbass1 said:

sycasey said:

cbbass1 said:

sycasey said:

cbbass1 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

cbbass1 said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

bearister said:

I like to get your take on articles like this. What say you?

Russia Said These Foreigners Wouldn't Have to Fight. Then It Sent Them to the Frontlines. - POLITICO https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2026/09/25/latin-america-russia-ukraine-war-peru-01091907

"As Russian President Vladimir Putin's war in Ukraine grinds on, Moscow is looking abroad to find soldiers to send into battle.
With recruitment becoming harder in some countries it previously relied on, predominantly in Africa and Asia, its war machine is increasingly turning to Latin America including Peru, a country of about 35 million people where testimonies from recruits and their relatives indicate that hundreds traveled to Moscow in the first half of this year alone.

The widening of the Kremlin's recruitment drive suggests that as Russian President Vladimir Putin hesitates to launch another round of military mobilization at home, the war is reaching deeper into the Western Hemisphere…"

I look forward to Politico's first article on Ukraine kidnapping their citizens off the street for their army, which will happen never.

But anyway, the war sounds bad. Probably should negotiate an end to it.

Problem is that Putin also needs to want to end it.


Putin has already made 3 serious diplomatic efforts to end the SMO:

  • Before the start of the SMO -- Putin proposed talks between NATO & Russia to negotiate a security framework for Eastern Europe and Ukraine, in order to avoid Ukraine joining NATO;
  • In April 2022, weeks after the start of the SMO, Russia & Ukraine reached a tentative agreement & initialed it. The agreement kept the Donbass in Ukraine, and ensured the safety of ethnic Russians there. Unfortunately, UK PM Boris Johnson & Biden & Blinken from the U.S. convinced Zelenskyy to "keep fighting";
  • In late 2025, Putin & Trump met in Anchorage to discuss Ukraine & potential cooperation & common interests in the Arctic. Russia accepted a U.S. peace proposal, but the U.S. abandoned it later.
    https://news.antiwar.com/2026/02/09/russias-lavrov-says-us-no-longer-wants-to-pursue-its-own-ukraine-peace-proposal/


It's hard to keep arguing with people who are living in a fantasy world where Russia has no ill intent and never does anything wrong.

hxxps://x.com/NatalkaKyiv/status/2105162405542023397?s=20


Your perception of this conflict is something out of the WWF, entirely based on a cartoonish Cold War stereotype of Russians.

It is based on Russia doing invasions.


"Bad guy" invades "Good guy" is the level of your interpretation here.

How is this any different from how you evaluate Israel?

Besides, I have acknowledged plenty of "bad" stuff on "my side." I don't think American diplomatic policy has always been great on this. I don't like the Ukrainian practice of aggressively forced conscriptions. I just think Russia's invasions kind of outweigh all that. It's frankly astounding to me that anyone disagrees on that point.

It's frankly astounding that anyone sees Putin & Russia as the aggressor, rather than the U.S. & NATO -- by their own admission, in their own writings.

I struggle to see how anyone would find it "astounding" that the country that sent its army into another country to topple its government is considered "the aggressor," but I suppose up is down in the left-wing tankie world these days.

That's why the U.S. didn't use its own armed forces to attack the Donbass separatists, slaughtering 11,000, & then proceed to attack Russia; it built Ukraine's proxy army from a collection of neo-Nazi militia anti-Russian zealots, and spent $billions arming & training them, with the CIA providing intelligence & weapons expertise. After the violent overthrow of Ukraine's democratically-elected government, of course.

IF the U.S. hadn't sponsored & engineered the Orange Revolution (2004) and the Maidan coup (2014), and encouraged the Ukrainian militias to attempt their military takeover in the Donbass, there would've been no reason for Russia to attack.

You're still in denial about WHY Putin attacked Ukraine in the first place. The corporate media repeated the word "unprovoked" 20+ times, in every article & every news segment, so that you would firmly believe that the SMO was unprovoked & 100% out of the blue.

The reason why they said "unprovoked" ad nauseum was because they knew that WE (the U.S.) provoked it, but they HAD to blame it on Russia, so that $hundreds of $billions would keep flowing.

And they STILL are trying to maintain the fantasy that Putin is going to conquer all of Ukraine (he won't), and embark on a military conquest of Europe (he would be impeached if he did) -- in a futile attempt to justify the U.S. & EU aggression.

I wouldn't say it was fully "unprovoked," but the fact remains that Russia was not under attack and they chose to invade Ukraine. That makes Russia the aggressor.

I could walk up to you and say all kinds of provocative insults and that would be bad behavior by me. But if you take out a gun and shoot me in the head, you're still guilty of murder.

However, if you'd been planning the entire scenario for the last 20 years, and publishing papers about your plans to carry out your attack, it's a different story. Putin & the Russians know all about your plan to wipe them out.

This is insane paranoia on Putin's part. There was no chance anyone in NATO wanted to attack Russia.


The primary goal of the Ukraine war is to "extend" Russia:



Rand think tank, 2019, "Extending Russia" seminal whitepaper advocates arming Ukraine and using it to weaken Russia.



The ultimate goal is to regime change, dismember Russia and regain possession of its vast natural ressources, the richest in the world by a good margin.



(I know that these real items won't register with you, the framework that you can't see beyond is "Putin bad hombre" and Zelensky as the second coming of Luke Skywalker. And BTW, Bucha was a massacre of locals who were sympathetic to the Russians and hunted down by the Ukrainian Safari militia unit)
sycasey
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

cbbass1 said:

sycasey said:

cbbass1 said:

sycasey said:

cbbass1 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

cbbass1 said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

bearister said:

I like to get your take on articles like this. What say you?

Russia Said These Foreigners Wouldn't Have to Fight. Then It Sent Them to the Frontlines. - POLITICO https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2026/09/25/latin-america-russia-ukraine-war-peru-01091907

"As Russian President Vladimir Putin's war in Ukraine grinds on, Moscow is looking abroad to find soldiers to send into battle.
With recruitment becoming harder in some countries it previously relied on, predominantly in Africa and Asia, its war machine is increasingly turning to Latin America including Peru, a country of about 35 million people where testimonies from recruits and their relatives indicate that hundreds traveled to Moscow in the first half of this year alone.

The widening of the Kremlin's recruitment drive suggests that as Russian President Vladimir Putin hesitates to launch another round of military mobilization at home, the war is reaching deeper into the Western Hemisphere…"

I look forward to Politico's first article on Ukraine kidnapping their citizens off the street for their army, which will happen never.

But anyway, the war sounds bad. Probably should negotiate an end to it.

Problem is that Putin also needs to want to end it.


Putin has already made 3 serious diplomatic efforts to end the SMO:

  • Before the start of the SMO -- Putin proposed talks between NATO & Russia to negotiate a security framework for Eastern Europe and Ukraine, in order to avoid Ukraine joining NATO;
  • In April 2022, weeks after the start of the SMO, Russia & Ukraine reached a tentative agreement & initialed it. The agreement kept the Donbass in Ukraine, and ensured the safety of ethnic Russians there. Unfortunately, UK PM Boris Johnson & Biden & Blinken from the U.S. convinced Zelenskyy to "keep fighting";
  • In late 2025, Putin & Trump met in Anchorage to discuss Ukraine & potential cooperation & common interests in the Arctic. Russia accepted a U.S. peace proposal, but the U.S. abandoned it later.
    https://news.antiwar.com/2026/02/09/russias-lavrov-says-us-no-longer-wants-to-pursue-its-own-ukraine-peace-proposal/


It's hard to keep arguing with people who are living in a fantasy world where Russia has no ill intent and never does anything wrong.

hxxps://x.com/NatalkaKyiv/status/2105162405542023397?s=20


Your perception of this conflict is something out of the WWF, entirely based on a cartoonish Cold War stereotype of Russians.

It is based on Russia doing invasions.


"Bad guy" invades "Good guy" is the level of your interpretation here.

How is this any different from how you evaluate Israel?

Besides, I have acknowledged plenty of "bad" stuff on "my side." I don't think American diplomatic policy has always been great on this. I don't like the Ukrainian practice of aggressively forced conscriptions. I just think Russia's invasions kind of outweigh all that. It's frankly astounding to me that anyone disagrees on that point.

It's frankly astounding that anyone sees Putin & Russia as the aggressor, rather than the U.S. & NATO -- by their own admission, in their own writings.

I struggle to see how anyone would find it "astounding" that the country that sent its army into another country to topple its government is considered "the aggressor," but I suppose up is down in the left-wing tankie world these days.

That's why the U.S. didn't use its own armed forces to attack the Donbass separatists, slaughtering 11,000, & then proceed to attack Russia; it built Ukraine's proxy army from a collection of neo-Nazi militia anti-Russian zealots, and spent $billions arming & training them, with the CIA providing intelligence & weapons expertise. After the violent overthrow of Ukraine's democratically-elected government, of course.

IF the U.S. hadn't sponsored & engineered the Orange Revolution (2004) and the Maidan coup (2014), and encouraged the Ukrainian militias to attempt their military takeover in the Donbass, there would've been no reason for Russia to attack.

You're still in denial about WHY Putin attacked Ukraine in the first place. The corporate media repeated the word "unprovoked" 20+ times, in every article & every news segment, so that you would firmly believe that the SMO was unprovoked & 100% out of the blue.

The reason why they said "unprovoked" ad nauseum was because they knew that WE (the U.S.) provoked it, but they HAD to blame it on Russia, so that $hundreds of $billions would keep flowing.

And they STILL are trying to maintain the fantasy that Putin is going to conquer all of Ukraine (he won't), and embark on a military conquest of Europe (he would be impeached if he did) -- in a futile attempt to justify the U.S. & EU aggression.

I wouldn't say it was fully "unprovoked," but the fact remains that Russia was not under attack and they chose to invade Ukraine. That makes Russia the aggressor.

I could walk up to you and say all kinds of provocative insults and that would be bad behavior by me. But if you take out a gun and shoot me in the head, you're still guilty of murder.

However, if you'd been planning the entire scenario for the last 20 years, and publishing papers about your plans to carry out your attack, it's a different story. Putin & the Russians know all about your plan to wipe them out.

This is insane paranoia on Putin's part. There was no chance anyone in NATO wanted to attack Russia.


The primary goal of the Ukraine war is to "extend" Russia:



The ultimate goal is to regime change, dismember Russia and regain possession of its vast natural ressources, the richest in the world by a good margin.



(I know that these real items won't matter to you, the framework that you can't see beyond is "Putin bad hombre" and Zelensky as the second coming of Luke Skywalker. And BTW, Bucha was a massacre of locals who were sympathetic to the Russians by the Ukrainian Safari militia unit)

All the more reason Putin should not have attacked. Completely idiotic move. He would have been fine just leaving Ukraine alone and all of this would have been avoided.

Complete horses**t Bucha claim, by the way. There is satellite footage, camera footage, phone logs, interviews with people who were on site, etc., confirming that it was the Russian military who did it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/22/video/russia-ukraine-bucha-massacre-takeaways.html

You and your compatriots here are literally just taking the Kremlin's narrative and running with it on this one. I don't know why you are always apologizing for war crimes when it was the Russians doing it and not when it's the Americans (or the Israelis).
Aunburdened
How long do you want to ignore this user?
sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

I wouldn't say it was fully "unprovoked," but the fact remains that Russia was not under attack and they chose to invade Ukraine. That makes Russia the aggressor.

I could walk up to you and say all kinds of provocative insults and that would be bad behavior by me. But if you take out a gun and shoot me in the head, you're still guilty of murder.

LOL at comparing what Ukraine and NATO were doing to shouting insults across the border.

Relative to an actual military invasion? Yes.

Everything Russia does is an insane escalation on whatever the "West" was doing (as intentional provocation or not).

Aun "unburdened by what has been" Bear is the OG legend
- DaddyLegend 9/6/2026
sycasey
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

I wouldn't say it was fully "unprovoked," but the fact remains that Russia was not under attack and they chose to invade Ukraine. That makes Russia the aggressor.

I could walk up to you and say all kinds of provocative insults and that would be bad behavior by me. But if you take out a gun and shoot me in the head, you're still guilty of murder.

LOL at comparing what Ukraine and NATO were doing to shouting insults across the border.

Relative to an actual military invasion? Yes.

Everything Russia does is an insane escalation on whatever the "West" was doing (as intentional provocation or not).



Ukraine tosses out a leader that Russia liked -> Russia takes some of Ukraine's territory (Crimea)

Ukraine builds up military in order to dissuade further annexations -> Russia does full invasion

Where am I wrong? Those seem like pretty big overreactions to me. Another thing I want you to keep asking yourself is that if any one of Russia's same actions were taken by the United States or Israel, would you still think it was okay?
Aunburdened
How long do you want to ignore this user?
sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

I wouldn't say it was fully "unprovoked," but the fact remains that Russia was not under attack and they chose to invade Ukraine. That makes Russia the aggressor.

I could walk up to you and say all kinds of provocative insults and that would be bad behavior by me. But if you take out a gun and shoot me in the head, you're still guilty of murder.

LOL at comparing what Ukraine and NATO were doing to shouting insults across the border.

Relative to an actual military invasion? Yes.

Everything Russia does is an insane escalation on whatever the "West" was doing (as intentional provocation or not).



Ukraine tosses out a leader that Russia liked -> Russia takes some of Ukraine's territory (Crimea)

Ukraine builds up military in order to dissuade further annexations -> Russia does full invasion

Where am I wrong? Those seem like pretty big overreactions to me. Another thing I want you to keep asking yourself is that if any one of Russia's same actions were taken by the United States or Israel, would you still think it was okay?

Look boys and girls, sycasey's "just asking questions" again!
Aun "unburdened by what has been" Bear is the OG legend
- DaddyLegend 9/6/2026
sycasey
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

I wouldn't say it was fully "unprovoked," but the fact remains that Russia was not under attack and they chose to invade Ukraine. That makes Russia the aggressor.

I could walk up to you and say all kinds of provocative insults and that would be bad behavior by me. But if you take out a gun and shoot me in the head, you're still guilty of murder.

LOL at comparing what Ukraine and NATO were doing to shouting insults across the border.

Relative to an actual military invasion? Yes.

Everything Russia does is an insane escalation on whatever the "West" was doing (as intentional provocation or not).



Ukraine tosses out a leader that Russia liked -> Russia takes some of Ukraine's territory (Crimea)

Ukraine builds up military in order to dissuade further annexations -> Russia does full invasion

Where am I wrong? Those seem like pretty big overreactions to me. Another thing I want you to keep asking yourself is that if any one of Russia's same actions were taken by the United States or Israel, would you still think it was okay?

Look boys and girls, sycasey's "just asking questions" again!

I'm laying out a case and asking you to respond. This is how an adult conversation could work.
Aunburdened
How long do you want to ignore this user?
sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

I wouldn't say it was fully "unprovoked," but the fact remains that Russia was not under attack and they chose to invade Ukraine. That makes Russia the aggressor.

I could walk up to you and say all kinds of provocative insults and that would be bad behavior by me. But if you take out a gun and shoot me in the head, you're still guilty of murder.

LOL at comparing what Ukraine and NATO were doing to shouting insults across the border.

Relative to an actual military invasion? Yes.

Everything Russia does is an insane escalation on whatever the "West" was doing (as intentional provocation or not).



Ukraine tosses out a leader that Russia liked -> Russia takes some of Ukraine's territory (Crimea)

Ukraine builds up military in order to dissuade further annexations -> Russia does full invasion

Where am I wrong? Those seem like pretty big overreactions to me. Another thing I want you to keep asking yourself is that if any one of Russia's same actions were taken by the United States or Israel, would you still think it was okay?

Look boys and girls, sycasey's "just asking questions" again!

I'm laying out a case and asking you to respond. This is how an adult conversation could work.

There's no having a conversation with someone who frames all of his questions with lies
Aun "unburdened by what has been" Bear is the OG legend
- DaddyLegend 9/6/2026
sycasey
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

I wouldn't say it was fully "unprovoked," but the fact remains that Russia was not under attack and they chose to invade Ukraine. That makes Russia the aggressor.

I could walk up to you and say all kinds of provocative insults and that would be bad behavior by me. But if you take out a gun and shoot me in the head, you're still guilty of murder.

LOL at comparing what Ukraine and NATO were doing to shouting insults across the border.

Relative to an actual military invasion? Yes.

Everything Russia does is an insane escalation on whatever the "West" was doing (as intentional provocation or not).



Ukraine tosses out a leader that Russia liked -> Russia takes some of Ukraine's territory (Crimea)

Ukraine builds up military in order to dissuade further annexations -> Russia does full invasion

Where am I wrong? Those seem like pretty big overreactions to me. Another thing I want you to keep asking yourself is that if any one of Russia's same actions were taken by the United States or Israel, would you still think it was okay?

Look boys and girls, sycasey's "just asking questions" again!

I'm laying out a case and asking you to respond. This is how an adult conversation could work.

There's no having a conversation with someone who frames all of his questions with lies

I agree, it's been hard for me to talk to people who insist on pushing the lie that Russia didn't do the Bucha Massacre. And yet, I press on.

Tell me which thing I said was a lie.
Aunburdened
How long do you want to ignore this user?
sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

I wouldn't say it was fully "unprovoked," but the fact remains that Russia was not under attack and they chose to invade Ukraine. That makes Russia the aggressor.

I could walk up to you and say all kinds of provocative insults and that would be bad behavior by me. But if you take out a gun and shoot me in the head, you're still guilty of murder.

LOL at comparing what Ukraine and NATO were doing to shouting insults across the border.

Relative to an actual military invasion? Yes.

Everything Russia does is an insane escalation on whatever the "West" was doing (as intentional provocation or not).



Ukraine tosses out a leader that Russia liked -> Russia takes some of Ukraine's territory (Crimea)

Ukraine builds up military in order to dissuade further annexations -> Russia does full invasion

Where am I wrong? Those seem like pretty big overreactions to me. Another thing I want you to keep asking yourself is that if any one of Russia's same actions were taken by the United States or Israel, would you still think it was okay?

Look boys and girls, sycasey's "just asking questions" again!

I'm laying out a case and asking you to respond. This is how an adult conversation could work.

There's no having a conversation with someone who frames all of his questions with lies

I agree, it's been hard for me to talk to people who insist on pushing the lie that Russia didn't do the Bucha Massacre. And yet, I press on.

Tell me which thing I said was a lie.

"Ukraine" tossed out a leader "it" didn't like

Aun "unburdened by what has been" Bear is the OG legend
- DaddyLegend 9/6/2026
sycasey
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

I wouldn't say it was fully "unprovoked," but the fact remains that Russia was not under attack and they chose to invade Ukraine. That makes Russia the aggressor.

I could walk up to you and say all kinds of provocative insults and that would be bad behavior by me. But if you take out a gun and shoot me in the head, you're still guilty of murder.

LOL at comparing what Ukraine and NATO were doing to shouting insults across the border.

Relative to an actual military invasion? Yes.

Everything Russia does is an insane escalation on whatever the "West" was doing (as intentional provocation or not).



Ukraine tosses out a leader that Russia liked -> Russia takes some of Ukraine's territory (Crimea)

Ukraine builds up military in order to dissuade further annexations -> Russia does full invasion

Where am I wrong? Those seem like pretty big overreactions to me. Another thing I want you to keep asking yourself is that if any one of Russia's same actions were taken by the United States or Israel, would you still think it was okay?

Look boys and girls, sycasey's "just asking questions" again!

I'm laying out a case and asking you to respond. This is how an adult conversation could work.

There's no having a conversation with someone who frames all of his questions with lies

I agree, it's been hard for me to talk to people who insist on pushing the lie that Russia didn't do the Bucha Massacre. And yet, I press on.

Tell me which thing I said was a lie.

"Ukraine" tossed out a leader "it" didn't like

Viktor Yanukovych ****ed off to Russia and then the Ukrainian Parliament voted him out. That's what happened.
Cal88
How long do you want to ignore this user?
sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

I wouldn't say it was fully "unprovoked," but the fact remains that Russia was not under attack and they chose to invade Ukraine. That makes Russia the aggressor.

I could walk up to you and say all kinds of provocative insults and that would be bad behavior by me. But if you take out a gun and shoot me in the head, you're still guilty of murder.

LOL at comparing what Ukraine and NATO were doing to shouting insults across the border.

Relative to an actual military invasion? Yes.

Everything Russia does is an insane escalation on whatever the "West" was doing (as intentional provocation or not).



Ukraine tosses out a leader that Russia liked -> Russia takes some of Ukraine's territory (Crimea)

Ukraine builds up military in order to dissuade further annexations -> Russia does full invasion

Where am I wrong? Those seem like pretty big overreactions to me. Another thing I want you to keep asking yourself is that if any one of Russia's same actions were taken by the United States or Israel, would you still think it was okay?

Look boys and girls, sycasey's "just asking questions" again!

I'm laying out a case and asking you to respond. This is how an adult conversation could work.

There's no having a conversation with someone who frames all of his questions with lies

I agree, it's been hard for me to talk to people who insist on pushing the lie that Russia didn't do the Bucha Massacre. And yet, I press on.

Tell me which thing I said was a lie.

"Ukraine" tossed out a leader "it" didn't like

Viktor Yanukovych ****ed off to Russia and then the Ukrainian Parliament voted him out. That's what happened.


The Maidan coup was a January 6 type of color revolution sponsored by billions funneled through US NGOs and violently carried over by extremist militias armed and trained by NATO working as agitprop and enforcers.
Aunburdened
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Quote:

On the night of 2 October, when I arrived at Heathrow following a visit to the Valdai discussion club in Moscow (27 September - 1 October) five members of UK Counter-Terrorism police were waiting for me on the jetway to the plane and took me into custody under the UK Counter-Terrorism and Border Security Act of 2019.

I was searched, interrogated for 3 hours, had all my electronic devices taken (I had to purchase a new laptop today) and was told that I had no right not to comment.

My crime? Attending a conference to discuss how to bring peace not only in Ukraine, but elsewhere including Iran, the middle-east etc.

Join me for a live discussion at 1900 BST today, 3 October, in which i will describe what happened and explain why Free Speech in the UK has never been under so much threat.

Aun "unburdened by what has been" Bear is the OG legend
- DaddyLegend 9/6/2026
sycasey
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

I wouldn't say it was fully "unprovoked," but the fact remains that Russia was not under attack and they chose to invade Ukraine. That makes Russia the aggressor.

I could walk up to you and say all kinds of provocative insults and that would be bad behavior by me. But if you take out a gun and shoot me in the head, you're still guilty of murder.

LOL at comparing what Ukraine and NATO were doing to shouting insults across the border.

Relative to an actual military invasion? Yes.

Everything Russia does is an insane escalation on whatever the "West" was doing (as intentional provocation or not).



Ukraine tosses out a leader that Russia liked -> Russia takes some of Ukraine's territory (Crimea)

Ukraine builds up military in order to dissuade further annexations -> Russia does full invasion

Where am I wrong? Those seem like pretty big overreactions to me. Another thing I want you to keep asking yourself is that if any one of Russia's same actions were taken by the United States or Israel, would you still think it was okay?

Look boys and girls, sycasey's "just asking questions" again!

I'm laying out a case and asking you to respond. This is how an adult conversation could work.

There's no having a conversation with someone who frames all of his questions with lies

I agree, it's been hard for me to talk to people who insist on pushing the lie that Russia didn't do the Bucha Massacre. And yet, I press on.

Tell me which thing I said was a lie.

"Ukraine" tossed out a leader "it" didn't like

Viktor Yanukovych ****ed off to Russia and then the Ukrainian Parliament voted him out. That's what happened.


The Maidan coup was a January 6 type of color revolution sponsored by billions of US NGOs and with extremist militias armed and trained by NATO as enforcers.

It was an organic populist movement that the Russians naturally like to describe as a US-driven coup. This isn't any more true than your lies about Bucha.

https://static.poder360.com.br/2022/02/2014-Coup-1.pdf
dajo9
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

I wouldn't say it was fully "unprovoked," but the fact remains that Russia was not under attack and they chose to invade Ukraine. That makes Russia the aggressor.

I could walk up to you and say all kinds of provocative insults and that would be bad behavior by me. But if you take out a gun and shoot me in the head, you're still guilty of murder.

LOL at comparing what Ukraine and NATO were doing to shouting insults across the border.

Relative to an actual military invasion? Yes.

Everything Russia does is an insane escalation on whatever the "West" was doing (as intentional provocation or not).



Ukraine tosses out a leader that Russia liked -> Russia takes some of Ukraine's territory (Crimea)

Ukraine builds up military in order to dissuade further annexations -> Russia does full invasion

Where am I wrong? Those seem like pretty big overreactions to me. Another thing I want you to keep asking yourself is that if any one of Russia's same actions were taken by the United States or Israel, would you still think it was okay?

Look boys and girls, sycasey's "just asking questions" again!

I'm laying out a case and asking you to respond. This is how an adult conversation could work.

There's no having a conversation with someone who frames all of his questions with lies


That's why I'd never want to have a meal with Trump or Putin
Aunburdened
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Facts don't care about your feelings

Aun "unburdened by what has been" Bear is the OG legend
- DaddyLegend 9/6/2026
sycasey
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Aunburdened said:

Facts don't care about your feelings



By the typical Yogi standard of evidence, I guess this means you now endorse all of Mr. Ferguson's views.

First Page
Page 405 of 406 ▼
 
×
subscribe Verify your student status
See Subscription Benefits
Trial only available to users who have never subscribed or participated in a previous trial.