Eastern Oregon Bear said:
Cal88 said:
Several people from that list have been killed or attacked, most notably, journalist Daria Dugina, who was the target of a terror attack that blew up her car.
After she was assassinated, her Myrotvorets file status was gleefully upgraded to "Liquidated", with that exact term being affixed cross her file picture:
This is a standard feature of the Myrotvorets list, when a designated Enemy of the State dies, that person gets the "liquidated" bar slapped across the face, here is the file of Italian journalist Andrea Roccelli, deemed enemy of the state of Ukraine for reporting on the Donbass War and killed in Donbass in 2014:
Other notable people on that list are John Mearsheimer, Col. MacGregor, Rand Paul, Elon Musk, though I doubt that Ukraine would mount an attempt on their lives. However many Ukrainian nationals on that list have been "liquidated".
Max Blumenthal interviews 13-year old Ukrainian girl from Luhansk who has been put on this list. Her personal info, including the name of her parents and their home address, is included in her public Myrotvorets file.
It's a despicable web site. However, it's not an official Ukraine government website. It's not at a .ua or .ukr URL. It's using a cheap .center URL which anybody could set up for less than $10 or $15 according to the ad I saw. While it could be a legitimate Ukrainian web site (probably by a fringe group), it's also very possible that it's a Russian website set up to make Ukraine look bad.
As for the two deaths you referenced, Andrea Rocchelli was traveling by car in a war zone and was targeted by the Ukraine military. While they could have known who he was and fired on him for that reason, it also seems likely that any car traveling through the war zone might have been attacked. That happens during wars. Hell, I had to travel around the fringes of a war game exercise at the local airport one night on my way to work. One group was attempting to seize the airport and the other group was defending. They even had paratroopers parachuting into the airport. They had all the street lights out in the area and I was allowed through with instructions to drive with my lights out on a particular route as far away from the exercise as possible. I couldn't turn my daytime running lights out and topped it off by wandering off the route I was supposed to follow due to being unfamiliar with those roads. I still remember seeing the laser beam from some soldier's rifle passing through my car and realizing that if it had been a real battle, I would probably be dead or badly wounded at that point. No attempt was made to stop and question me.
Addressing all your points above, briefly:
- Myrotvorets was started and maintained by Ukrainian officials connected with their internal security apparatus, the SBU and other KGB-like agencies.
From Wiki:
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The site reflects the work of NGO "Myrotvorets centre", led by a person only known with the alias "Roman Zaitsev",[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrotvorets#cite_note-thetimes-12][12][/url] former employee of Luhansk Security Service of Ukraine office.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrotvorets#cite_note-Facts-13][13][/url] In 2016, the Daily Beast reported that the website was curated by the government law-enforcement and intelligence agency Security Service of Ukraine (SBU).[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrotvorets#cite_note-14][14][/url] In 2022,
...It has been promoted by Anton Herashchenko, a co-founder and later advisor to the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine .[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrotvorets#cite_note-:0-15][15][/url] The identity of the staff is secret, and a hidden panel sifts through information, often collated from Open-source intelligence,[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrotvorets#cite_note-thetimes-12][12][/url] as well as information provided by individuals on a confidential basis.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrotvorets#cite_note-Facts-13][13][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrotvorets#cite_note-thetimes-12][12][/url]
Although it has no official status, the website is regularly consulted at checkpoints to integrate government information systems.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrotvorets#cite_note-thetimes-12][12][/url] According to Tuka, the site has led to the arrest of 1,000 people, since the site's launch, which he claimed included many collaborators and people working for the Federal Security Service that would otherwise not be in any government databases.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrotvorets#cite_note-thetimes-12][[/url]
This is the main guy behind that site, Anton Gerashchenko, a high-level official in the Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs. He is the right-hand guy of oligarch Arsen Avakov, who funds neo-nazi militias and was a main organizer of the Maidan Coup. From Gerashchenko's wikipedia page:
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Herashchenko was one of the founders of a database of separatists called "Myrotvorets" (Peacekeeper).[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Gerashchenko#cite_note-12][12]
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-They use the .center URL extension not because they are cheap, but because this organization is officially known as the Myrotvorets Center, so
https://myrotvorets.center makes perfect sense as a URL choice, also consistent with their SBU thug operators trying to make their hit list website look unofficial.
-The site has a list of over 400 journalists. The death of many of them, including that of Rocchelli, is not accidental. If anything, it reflects the shoot first and ask questions later" treatment of Donbass civilians by the Kiev army, which has killed over 11,000 Donbass civilians between 2014 and 2021, behaving like a rogue occupation army not unlike US forces in hostile Iraqi territory.
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As for Daria Dugnina, it's never been clear if she was the target or if it was her oligarch dad. Since it happened in Moscow, I'd lean towards it being targeted at her dad since Ukrainians pulling off an assassination in Moscow would be harder than for some local Russian group. However,we just don't know for sure.
-Daria Dugina's father, Alexander Dugin, is not an oligarch, he's a mystical Eurasian philosopher whose nationalist doctrine doesn't align with official Russian doctrine, Putin being primarily a civic nationalist, promoting for example Islam, Judaism and Buddhism as official state religions along with Orthodox Christianity, while Eurasian nationalists tend to view these religions as undesirable foreign elements.
We know that Daria Dugina, who is a polyglot journalist that was very active in Europe, presenting a positive image of Russia (unlike her father who is kind of a weird figure) was herself also a target, she had her own Myrotvorets file, and was labelled as "liquidated" after her assassination, so she was also a target.