Excellent article about the cluster*****that is the current state of US foreign policy.

https://open.substack.com/pub/meaninginhistory/p/the-pivot-to-china-bad-to-worse?r=aiop6&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

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Massive Ukrainian effort underway to clear millions of landmines spread across country - CBS News


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/massive-ukrainian-effort-underway-to-clear-millions-of-landmines-60-minutes-transcript/


Flutter mine dropped from Russian planes. 11 ounces of pressure detonates it.

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Putin doesn't believe that Ukraine has a right to exist. Although he initially may have been deluded enough to believe his own musings on Ukraine that they would want to fall under his autocratic regime, I would assume he has realized that Ukraine, like all former Soviet republics, is uninterested in joining a corrupt kleptocracy. Maybe they don't see the attraction in Russia's abysmally low life expectancy for men - which doesn't even account for the war.

That being the case, we are seeing more of a scorched-earth approach to the war as it drags on. Dropping millions of flutter mines is consistent with that strategy. Putin is fine with Ukraine becoming uninhabitable, what he isn't fine with is people in Ukraine benefiting from a better relationship with the West. To that end, we are seeing more and more civil infrastructure attacks and attacks targeting residential and industrial areas with no legitimate military targets (this weekend saw more of in Kharkiv). Just like hundreds of thousands of able young men and women have fled Russia to give themselves a chance to prosper in the West, Ukraine is becoming depopulated. Loss for Ukraine, not really a win for Russia, except insofar as achieving their goal of destroying Ukraine's economy and society.

You will note that in order to avoid the world focusing on this genocide, the shills have been directed to shift their propaganda campaign to the Gaza front. Putin's imagineers have determined that it's better for Russia to grandstand on civilian deaths in Gaza than to allow people to realize what he's done in Ukraine. That's why you are seeing a shift in the numerous vaguely named Russian state media trolls on twiter (Bebo is currently the most popular but they are numerous) who have devoted a portion of their misinformation toward Israel.

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> " Putin doesn't believe that Ukraine has a right to exist"

Please supply some Putin quotes to support your assertion. Otherwise, we'll have to assume that you have no idea what you're talking about.

What IS 100% true is that Putin doesn't believe that Ukraine has a right to join NATO,

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Excellent article about the cluster*****that is the current state of US foreign policy.

https://open.substack.com/pub/meaninginhistory/p/the-pivot-to-china-bad-to-worse?r=aiop6&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

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This is what I've been saying for years!

U.S./EU-style NeoLiberal/Milton Friedman/"trickle-down" economics is unsustainable. By its nature, it transfers the wealth of a majority of its working people to the oligarchs, who cry out in frustration that there just aren't any good investments with a decent ROI.

At the same time, producers of consumer products cry out in frustration that there are no markets for their products -- because the entire class of Workers -- who are also their Customers -- are surviving on subsistence wages, and don't have sufficient disposable income to afford much beyond rent and food.

So instead of investing in the production of consumer products (including the Labor to produce them), U.S. corporations "invest" in buying back shares of their own stock.

For decades, U.S. Workers purchased their manufactured products from China, and from manufacturers outside the U.S. Most of those dollars were then recycled, by foreign professionals & oligarchs, back into investments in U.S. Treasuries, U.S. equities, and U.S. real estate.

Now the U.S. NeoCons are seriously considering using the U.S. investments of Russian oligarchs to pay for the continued Lost War in Ukraine!

You can bet that foreign professionals & oligarchs will make a note of this, and sell their U.S. real estate & equities, realizing that IF China & the U.S. are at war, the U.S. will probably be defaulting on their Treasuries.

In the NeoCons' efforts to weaken the economies of Russia, China, and the EU (yes, the EU -- that's why we sabotaged the Nordstream pipeline), we've actually weakened our own economy even more.

This is the "house of cards" economy that a majority of U.S. voters are simply unwilling to stomach any longer.

Forcing Russia and China (and Germany, and France, and Sweden, and Finland, and...) to invest in their own weapons production will be a temporary setback for their economies. But in the long run, they'll actually massively out-produce our own overly-financialized and under-producing weapons "manufacturers" (who focus much more on producing profits than weapons!).

More soon...

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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Palestinian Chicken said:

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“Whoever lies FIRST, wins.” How explain the US instant denial that Ukraine responsible for the March 22 terrorist act in Moscow? As a top US official admitted to US lying about Russia deliberately downing PASSENGER plane KAL-007, “the key is to lie first.” https://t.co/yER30jh70z

— Ray McGovern (@raymcgovern) April 9, 2024

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As long as we're indulging in 40 year old conspiracy theories, do you have any about the Hindenburg? Surely we must have used HAARP to induce a thunderstorm over New Jersey and get lightning to set the blimp on fire. This then greased the skids for the US to take sides in WW2.

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Who blew up Nordstream?

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I'm sure Germany can figure it out

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The Scholtz government somehow can't seem to figure it out, neither do the Swedes or Danes.

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1. What world power's president said they would do it?
2. What world power benefitted by selling more LNG at inflated prices?
3. What world power has such sway w the EU and NATO, nobody squaks?
4. What functionaries gloated about it?
5. Who did Seymour Hersh reveal as the culprit?

Same answer for all five.

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Blinken as well was obsessed with Nordstream - he literally wrote the book about the necessity to cut off Europe from the Russian pipelines.



"This book, written in 1987, goes a long way in explaining the context for the NordStream sabotage of 26 September 2022."

You have to be completely re1arded to not be able to connect the dots here.

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Sounds like you are re1arded because you keep asking

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Another smart and informative contribution by dajo.

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Massive Ukrainian effort underway to clear millions of landmines spread across country - CBS News


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/massive-ukrainian-effort-underway-to-clear-millions-of-landmines-60-minutes-transcript/


Flutter mine dropped from Russian planes. 11 ounces of pressure detonates it.

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Putin doesn't believe that Ukraine has a right to exist. Although he initially may have been deluded enough to believe his own musings on Ukraine that they would want to fall under his autocratic regime, I would assume he has realized that Ukraine, like all former Soviet republics, is uninterested in joining a corrupt kleptocracy. Maybe they don't see the attraction in Russia's abysmally low life expectancy for men - which doesn't even account for the war.

That being the case, we are seeing more of a scorched-earth approach to the war as it drags on. Dropping millions of flutter mines is consistent with that strategy. Putin is fine with Ukraine becoming uninhabitable, what he isn't fine with is people in Ukraine benefiting from a better relationship with the West. To that end, we are seeing more and more civil infrastructure attacks and attacks targeting residential and industrial areas with no legitimate military targets (this weekend saw more of in Kharkiv). Just like hundreds of thousands of able young men and women have fled Russia to give themselves a chance to prosper in the West, Ukraine is becoming depopulated. Loss for Ukraine, not really a win for Russia, except insofar as achieving their goal of destroying Ukraine's economy and society.

You will note that in order to avoid the world focusing on this genocide, the shills have been directed to shift their propaganda campaign to the Gaza front. Putin's imagineers have determined that it's better for Russia to grandstand on civilian deaths in Gaza than to allow people to realize what he's done in Ukraine. That's why you are seeing a shift in the numerous vaguely named Russian state media trolls on twiter (Bebo is currently the most popular but they are numerous) who have devoted a portion of their misinformation toward Israel.

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> " Putin doesn't believe that Ukraine has a right to exist"

Please supply some Putin quotes to support your assertion. Otherwise, we'll have to assume that you have no idea what you're talking about.

What IS 100% true is that Putin doesn't believe that Ukraine has a right to join NATO,

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It's amazing how many lies U2S manages to pack into 3 paragraphs, relaying the most misguided, unfounded, worst propaganda about the Ukraine war. Here are a few corrections:

-the notion that Ukraine, which started out as the richest, most industrialized state in the USSR, but 25 years later became 3 times poorer per capita as Russia, is less corrupt than Russia. Whatever you can say about Putin, he clamped out on his oligarchs, nationalized major natural resources conglomerates, paid off Russian debt and made substantial investments in Russian infrastructure.

-Ukraine has dropped thousands of butterfly mines on large cities like Donetsk, which it has bombed indiscriminately and consistently since 2014.

-Russia has spared Ukrainian large cities that aren't on the front from indiscriminate bombing. Around 95% of the Ukrainians they have killed in this war were soldiers.

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Massive Ukrainian effort underway to clear millions of landmines spread across country - CBS News


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/massive-ukrainian-effort-underway-to-clear-millions-of-landmines-60-minutes-transcript/


Flutter mine dropped from Russian planes. 11 ounces of pressure detonates it.

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Putin doesn't believe that Ukraine has a right to exist. Although he initially may have been deluded enough to believe his own musings on Ukraine that they would want to fall under his autocratic regime, I would assume he has realized that Ukraine, like all former Soviet republics, is uninterested in joining a corrupt kleptocracy. Maybe they don't see the attraction in Russia's abysmally low life expectancy for men - which doesn't even account for the war.

That being the case, we are seeing more of a scorched-earth approach to the war as it drags on. Dropping millions of flutter mines is consistent with that strategy. Putin is fine with Ukraine becoming uninhabitable, what he isn't fine with is people in Ukraine benefiting from a better relationship with the West. To that end, we are seeing more and more civil infrastructure attacks and attacks targeting residential and industrial areas with no legitimate military targets (this weekend saw more of in Kharkiv). Just like hundreds of thousands of able young men and women have fled Russia to give themselves a chance to prosper in the West, Ukraine is becoming depopulated. Loss for Ukraine, not really a win for Russia, except insofar as achieving their goal of destroying Ukraine's economy and society.

You will note that in order to avoid the world focusing on this genocide, the shills have been directed to shift their propaganda campaign to the Gaza front. Putin's imagineers have determined that it's better for Russia to grandstand on civilian deaths in Gaza than to allow people to realize what he's done in Ukraine. That's why you are seeing a shift in the numerous vaguely named Russian state media trolls on twiter (Bebo is currently the most popular but they are numerous) who have devoted a portion of their misinformation toward Israel.

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> " Putin doesn't believe that Ukraine has a right to exist"

Please supply some Putin quotes to support your assertion. Otherwise, we'll have to assume that you have no idea what you're talking about.

What IS 100% true is that Putin doesn't believe that Ukraine has a right to join NATO,

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This is what he said:

"All the southern Russian lands were transferred during the formation of Soviet Ukraine, during the creation of the USSR. There was no Ukraine within the empire: there were oblasts, but Ukraine itself, which came [into the Russian empire ed.] in the 16th century, consisted of three oblasts: the city of Kyiv and the oblasts of Kyiv, Zhytomyr and Chernihiv that's all. It came from the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (Rzeczpospolita), from Poland, voluntarily.

We have a letter in our archives: 'We, the Orthodox people of Rus, appeal to Moscow, to the tsar, and so on.' And in an attempt to defend their rights, they also sent appeals to Warsaw: 'We, the Orthodox people of Rus, ask you to preserve this and that, and demand this.'

Then what happened happened. The Soviet Union was formed and a vast Ukraine was formed, first and foremost, to a significant extent, at the expense of the southern Russian lands - the entire Black Sea region and so on - although all of these cities, as you know, were founded by Catherine the Great after a series of wars with Turkey, the Ottoman Empire."





Quote: "This is what is at the centre of the conflict that is happening today. This is the cause of this conflict.

And of course, if we had had normal, modern, friendly relations with fraternal Ukraine we are brothers as far as ethnicity is concerned! no one would have thought of taking actions related to Crimea, for example.

They simply put us in a position where we could do nothing else but defend the people living there. The same thing happened later with Donbas and Novorossiya [Ukraine's south]."

"Let me emphasize once again that Ukraine for us is not just a neighboring country. It is an integral part of our own history, culture, spiritual space.

"These are our comrades, relatives, among whom are not only colleagues, friends, former colleagues, but also relatives, people connected with us by blood, family ties."

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“Whoever lies FIRST, wins.” How explain the US instant denial that Ukraine responsible for the March 22 terrorist act in Moscow? As a top US official admitted to US lying about Russia deliberately downing PASSENGER plane KAL-007, “the key is to lie first.” https://t.co/yER30jh70z

— Ray McGovern (@raymcgovern) April 9, 2024

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As long as we're indulging in 40 year old conspiracy theories, do you have any about the Hindenburg? Surely we must have used HAARP to induce a thunderstorm over New Jersey and get lightning to set the blimp on fire. This then greased the skids for the US to take sides in WW2.

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Who blew up Nordstream?

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I'm sure Germany can figure it out

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The Scholtz government somehow can't seem to figure it out, neither do the Swedes or Danes.

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1. What world power's president said they would do it?
2. What world power benefitted by selling more LNG at inflated prices?
3. What world power has such sway w the EU and NATO, nobody squaks?
4. What functionaries gloated about it?
5. Who did Seymour Hersh reveal as the culprit?

Same answer for all five.

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Blinken as well was obsessed with Nordstream - he literally wrote the book about the necessity to cut off Europe from the Russian pipelines.



"This book, written in 1987, goes a long way in explaining the context for the NordStream sabotage of 26 September 2022."

You have to be completely re1arded to not be able to connect the dots here.

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Sounds like you are re1arded because you keep asking

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Another smart and informative contribution by dajo.

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If you want to accuse the U.S. of something then just do it. Nobody cares about that story other than you and the rest of the America haters here.

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Nobody cares about Nordstream, the biggest act of state terror on infrastructure in European history??

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movielover said:

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Cal88 said:

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dajo9 said:

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Cal88 said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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Palestinian Chicken said:

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“Whoever lies FIRST, wins.” How explain the US instant denial that Ukraine responsible for the March 22 terrorist act in Moscow? As a top US official admitted to US lying about Russia deliberately downing PASSENGER plane KAL-007, “the key is to lie first.” https://t.co/yER30jh70z

— Ray McGovern (@raymcgovern) April 9, 2024

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As long as we're indulging in 40 year old conspiracy theories, do you have any about the Hindenburg? Surely we must have used HAARP to induce a thunderstorm over New Jersey and get lightning to set the blimp on fire. This then greased the skids for the US to take sides in WW2.

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Who blew up Nordstream?

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I'm sure Germany can figure it out

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The Scholtz government somehow can't seem to figure it out, neither do the Swedes or Danes.

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1. What world power's president said they would do it?
2. What world power benefitted by selling more LNG at inflated prices?
3. What world power has such sway w the EU and NATO, nobody squaks?
4. What functionaries gloated about it?
5. Who did Seymour Hersh reveal as the culprit?

Same answer for all five.

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Blinken as well was obsessed with Nordstream - he literally wrote the book about the necessity to cut off Europe from the Russian pipelines.



"This book, written in 1987, goes a long way in explaining the context for the NordStream sabotage of 26 September 2022."

You have to be completely re1arded to not be able to connect the dots here.

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Sounds like you are re1arded because you keep asking

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Another smart and informative contribution by dajo.

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If you want to accuse the U.S. of something then just do it. Nobody cares about that story other than you and the rest of the America haters here.

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Nobody cares about Nordstream, the biggest act of state terror on infrastructure in European history??

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How soon we forget WW1, WW2, Napoleon, Genghis Khan, etc.

Was Moscow considered infrastructure or was 1812 Moscow not up to the standards of what we would consider to be "infrastructure"?

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Was Moscow considered infrastructure or was 1812 Moscow not up to the standards of what we would consider to be "infrastructure"?

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Is that why the Biden left all of our weapons to the Taliban in our messy Afghanistan withdrawal ? We simply did not want to commit an act of terrorism by blowing them up? Is that another reason why actual terrorists are using U.S. weapons?

When Hitler flooded the Berlin subways killing 10,000 Berliners was that state sponsored terrorism?

You know you're on the right side when the U.S. has to spend money to create propaganda to justify their actions.
https://www.leefang.com/p/us-funds-ukraine-groups-censoring

U.S. foreign aid money is flowing into Ukraine to fund a network of anti-disinfo watchdogs and journalists, who are helping the government demonize opponents, pass censorship laws, and smear pro-peace Americans as Russian agents. New investigation🧵 pic.twitter.com/0uq9LUba19

— Lee Fang (@lhfang) April 11, 2024

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If you want to accuse the U.S. of something then just do it. Nobody cares about that story other than you and the rest of the America haters here.

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Nobody cares about Nordstream, the biggest act of state terror on infrastructure in European history??

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How soon we forget WW1, WW2, Napoleon, Genghis Khan, etc.

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Do you understand the difference between an act of state terror on infrastructure and world wars?

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Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it. Instead, you poke 'em.

Given your handle, I hope you frequent the Falafel Drive In, founded by Palestinian Catholics. World-famous falafel and wonderful Moroccan chili sauce.

P.S. The founder, now deceased (RIP), was a policeman in Palestine before farming pigs.

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When Hitler flooded the Berlin subways killing 10,000 Berliners was that state sponsored terrorism?

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Not sure how you arrived at this topic, but you could argue that Hitler's flood was Putin's inspiration for destroying the Kakhovka Dam but it's more comparable to Russia's destruction of a dam in Ukraine in 1941 when it was on the run from Hitler.

Those two dam destructions by Stalin I and Stalin II (or whatever name Putin will take when he declares Russia an empire) were arguably the largest acts of state-sponsored terrorism, depending of course on how you view 9/11.

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Ukraine was the party that bombed the Khakhovka dam. They did that in order to clear their attack on the left bank of the Dniepr in the Kherson area, in Krinky and other regions. Had they not done that, the Russians could have just opened the sluice gates upstream and drowned any invading force.

While Ukraine did have strategic reasons to bomb the dam, they could have easily bombed it just out of pure spite, the same way they have constantly bombed Donetsk, the largest city in the Donbass/ They are also currently trying to bomb the Zaparozhie nuclear power plant once again, occupied by Russia for the last 2 years, because the NATO lugenpresse will always be able to sell the notion that the Russians are bombing their own infrastructure, because that's what Russians do...

Your buddy Gerashchenko, the founder of the infamous Myrotvorets Ukainian kill list, which includes dozens of journalists and dozens of children whose only crime was to vacation in Russian Crimea, boasted about Ukraine blowing up the dam on his Telegram channel. Even the WaPo acknowledged that Ukraine bombed the dam with HIMARS last year:

Russian massive missile attack wipes out Ukrainian capital Kyiv's main power plant

Trypilska Thermal Power Plant served as the primary electricity supplier for the Kyiv, Cherkasy, and Zhytomyr oblasts, worsening the situation with the energy crisis in Ukraine.

https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/04/11/russian-massive-missile-attack-wipes-out-ukrainian-capital-kyivs-main-power-plant/

Other Twitter posts claim Ukraine is out of Patriot missiles.

The Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to the United Nations, Vasily Nebenzya, called for preparation to the fact that very soon the only topic of any international meeting on Ukraine will be the unconditional surrender of the Kiev regime. pic.twitter.com/jLGQu1tgFF

— Trollstoy (@Trollstoy88) April 11, 2024

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movielover said:

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Cal88 said:

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dajo9 said:

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Cal88 said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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Palestinian Chicken said:

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“Whoever lies FIRST, wins.” How explain the US instant denial that Ukraine responsible for the March 22 terrorist act in Moscow? As a top US official admitted to US lying about Russia deliberately downing PASSENGER plane KAL-007, “the key is to lie first.” https://t.co/yER30jh70z

— Ray McGovern (@raymcgovern) April 9, 2024

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As long as we're indulging in 40 year old conspiracy theories, do you have any about the Hindenburg? Surely we must have used HAARP to induce a thunderstorm over New Jersey and get lightning to set the blimp on fire. This then greased the skids for the US to take sides in WW2.

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Who blew up Nordstream?

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I'm sure Germany can figure it out

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The Scholtz government somehow can't seem to figure it out, neither do the Swedes or Danes.

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1. What world power's president said they would do it?
2. What world power benefitted by selling more LNG at inflated prices?
3. What world power has such sway w the EU and NATO, nobody squaks?
4. What functionaries gloated about it?
5. Who did Seymour Hersh reveal as the culprit?

Same answer for all five.

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Blinken as well was obsessed with Nordstream - he literally wrote the book about the necessity to cut off Europe from the Russian pipelines.



"This book, written in 1987, goes a long way in explaining the context for the NordStream sabotage of 26 September 2022."

You have to be completely re1arded to not be able to connect the dots here.

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Sounds like you are re1arded because you keep asking

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Another smart and informative contribution by dajo.

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If you want to accuse the U.S. of something then just do it. Nobody cares about that story other than you and the rest of the America haters here.

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Nobody cares about Nordstream, the biggest act of state terror on infrastructure in European history??

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How soon we forget WW1, WW2, Napoleon, Genghis Khan, etc.

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Do you understand the difference between an act of state terror on infrastructure and world wars?

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So you think large scale wars don't destroy infrastructure on a far larger scale than Nordstream?

Russia is taking advantage of the GOP's blockade on Ukraine aid to destroy as much Ukrainian civilian infrastructure as possible including power plants and natural gas fields and facilities (eg state-sponsored terror).

Unfortunately, Putin has been able to continue to receive support from Iran, China and NK and leverage his high ROI spend controlling the GOP here to tie our hands. Gotta give him credit - he was right to target the GOP and Trump.

They are doing so in hopes that it will cause Ukraine to surrender so that they can erase its existence permanently. They aren't just looking for Crimea or the Donbas, they want it all as was obviously the goal from the start when they thought they could take Kyiv in 3 days.

Some of you may recall not long ago when the Putin shills used to pretend that Russia was operating a "special military operation" in order to defend itself against make believe Ukrainian aggression, which had never occurred and was not going to occur. Now those same people have to square those lies with the fact that they now support regime change and Russia's proposed annexation of Ukraine into Russia. And of course they will do the same for the next territory that Putin targets.

As I have said and demonstrated, Putin doesn't believe Ukrainian are a people or that Ukraine is entitled to sovereignty. All of the other fairy tales like denazification and protection of russiaphones he used to justify this stupid war were pretext and lies.

Maybe Mike Johnson will be ousted or the GOP will change direction to enable Ukraine aid when they realize the consequences of their inaction on our international standing but no one should hold their breath.