Hillary still butthurt a businessman beat her - a first - after she spent decades preparing to be Communist Emperor.

One of the most disastrous political decisions in history - and she and her middle-America-hating team thought it out well in advance. This is what they believe. How tone deaf, ignorant, sheltered, angry, vindictive, petty minded, and more.

Candidate Clinton said that half of Donald Trump's supporters were a "basket of deplorables".

How tone deaf to insult half of America.

Everyone watched Joe sniffing HRC's beehive hairdo today, just like old times.

Many took a bath during that real estate time period, he bounced back.

The only convicted rapists are dozens of child grooming gang rapists in the UK, but they really need to convict thousands, and eventually deport as many as possible. Import the Third World, you become the Third World.

There are now more registered GOP members than Democrats. Yuge. MAGA.

He never got criminally convicted of rape but a civil judgment against him labels him a "Sexual Abuser" and he can freely be referred to as such without fear of repercussion (unless he has you ruined financially or has you whacked).

Yes, the state of New York changed their statute of limitations for one year to go after President Trump on a 25-year-old allegation from a nutbag.

Previous false allegations were disproven by his extensive business records and schedules.

Having learned from this, his accuser didn't name a date, not even the year, of this alleged very public, broad daylight attack in a heavily trafficked department store. Even a TDS jury in New York couldn't swallow the fabricated rape allegation.

New York Post: ""The 'Dress,' which played such a big roll [sic] early on as a threatening bluff, but which ended up being totally exculpatory, was not allowed into the trial as evidence," he claimed. "Nor was her cat's name, 'Vagina,' the racist name she called her Black husband, 'Ape,' getting caught in a lie on the political operative paying for this Hoax, & much more!"

"In another post about an hour later, Trump lapsed into the third person, claiming Kaplan "hated President Donald J. Trump more than is humanly possible."

https://nypost.com/2023/05/10/trump-rants-against-racist-e-jean-carroll-terrible-case-judge/

So no SOL on murder, terrorism, mass murder... just 25-year-old, no proof, no witnesses, no DNA, no videotape, no recordings, no texts or emails, alleged sex crimes?

Same folks deny exculpatory evidence. Typical.

Banana Republic.

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Yes, the state of New York changed their statute of limitations for one year to go after President Trump on a 25-year-old allegation

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There shouldn't be a statute of limitations on sex crimes.

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In the interests of justice, there absolutely should be. The 25 year gap allowed the accuser to be vague and not remember things. It is incredibly difficult to defend vague allegations. Nearly impossible job to defend a hated person being accused by victim testimony of events from 25 years ago. This was extremely prejudicial to the defendant.

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Yes, the state of New York changed their statute of limitations for one year to go after President Trump on a 25-year-old allegation

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There shouldn't be a statute of limitations on sex crimes.

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This is a terrible take. Can you recall exactly where you were and what you did 10 years ago today? 15? 20? 25?

The purpose of an SOL is to ensure that evidence/testimony is reliable, collected ASAP, and that the defendant has a reasonable chance of defending him/herself. Among other things, you need to ability to collect contemporaneous witness statements, etc.

I know people here hate Trump. But it is absurd to expect him (or anyone else) to defend themselves against a vague allegation of wrongdoing that occurred 20+ years in the past when the plaintiff can't even specify the date of the alleged assault.

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To everyone on this board - I wouldn't pay too much attention to the twitter/x reposts 88 gives us. Zlatti71 is an absolute shill for Putin and Russian propaganda.

Again, 88, I hope you're getting paid for these posts.

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Doesn't get more ad hominem than this, because clearly, you are not able to address in any shape or form the content presented in my posts.

All my tweets above either linked to articles or news reports, or showed slices of Ukrainian lives that are unreported or underreported by the MSM.

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How is it ad hominem to say you post tweets from crappy and totally unreliable sources? Not only is it an attack on the substance (basically you're posting propaganda), but it seems objectively true.

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The crappiest and most unreliable sources on this war have been official sources and the MSM, for example reports about the Russian economy collapsing or Russians running out of ammo/missiles/troops/tanks etc throughout 2022-24, and lately stuff like North Koreans being present in large numbers and conducting "human wave" attacks in Kursk.

And yes, it is ad hominem because you are never addressing the content that I post, just attacking the source, because the fact that this content has been consistently right validates the quality of the sources, that criterion should be the main measure of the quality of the source.

YOU regard it as right. Everyone else sees the source of these tweets and disregards because they're so bent to Russia. And all you do is tweet these "sources" as if they're fact. That's why you're attacked. Because you're research is lazy.

The Guardian, NPR, Nikkei Asia, Newsweek, Politico.eu, Radio Free Asia, the BBC, EuroNews. All of these reporting agencies, to name a few, have reported that minimally 300 up to 1000 North Korean troops have died in Ukraine. Now who are we to believe? Any one of these news outlets or the rando twitter dude that you keep posting? I mean, are you serious?

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Do you think that those who have planned and sustained this war - Lyndsay Graham, Victoria Nuland, Tony Blinken, NATO chief Rutte et al - have an ounce of empathy for the Ukrainians?

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Why is Vladimir Putin's name always left off of these lists?

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Because he only starts wars, but is not responsible for sustaining them. Its the fault of the Ukrainians for not surrendering. Duh.

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He is not responsible for sustaining the war as he has pushed for settlements like the Istanbul Agreement throughout the war, which NATO and the Ukrainian government have consistently rejected.

Ukraine has not only banned negotiations by inscribing in their constitution that ban, but they have gone as far as executing mafia-style members of their own negotiating teams which they have deemed too accommodating towards peace with Russia (see Denis Kireyev).

As far as the responsibility of starting the war, it was well-established from American and western sources that deliberately breaching Russia's red line by NATO arming Ukraine to the gills and setting up a hostile government in Kiev with a sponsored coup was going to start a civil war in Ukraine and push Russia into war.

There were other red lines as well, Crimea, an existential issue for Russia as it controls their access to warm waters, and the survival of the large Russian minority in Ukraine. Both of these red lines were threatened.

Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, NATO Secretary General in 2008:
The Europeans and even Bush's administration warned that NATO expansion to Ukraine and Georgia would set NATO on a collision course with Russia. Bush got his way.
- This is now "Russian propaganda".https://t.co/zVsOWIpYHc pic.twitter.com/cvafGvnXFM

— Glenn Diesen (@Glenn_Diesen) August 15, 2023

William Burns, former US ambassador to Moscow and current Director of the CIA, warned in 2008 that attempting to expand NATO to Ukraine could 1) cause a civil war, and 2) a Russian invasion (which "Russia does not want")
It is necessary to address the cause of the war to end it. pic.twitter.com/u3eW0hVS6M

— Glenn Diesen (@Glenn_Diesen) July 13, 2023

They are incapable of distilling and or accepting these cogent facts.

Again, your bias is on full display.

Glenn Diesen. This man is a regular commentator on Russia Today, the Russian state owned international news network, funded by the Russian government. He is a member of the Valdai Discussion Club, a think tank linked with Vladimir Putin. He uses the phrase, "collective West", which is used by Russia to portray itself as "us against everyone". It is nothing short of Russian propaganda. He is part of the Russian propaganda aparatus. This is why your posts give everyone pause.

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YOU regard it as right. Everyone else sees the source of these tweets and disregards because they're so bent to Russia. And all you do is tweet these "sources" as if they're fact. That's why you're attacked. Because you're research is lazy.

The Guardian, NPR, Nikkei Asia, Newsweek, Politico.eu, Radio Free Asia, the BBC, EuroNews. All of these reporting agencies, to name a few, have reported that minimally 300 up to 1000 North Korean troops have died in Ukraine. Now who are we to believe? Any one of these news outlets or the rando twitter dude that you keep posting? I mean, are you serious?

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Do you have any proof of "a minimum of 300 to 1000 North Korean troops having died in Ukraine"?

Didn't think so.

The pattern from these MSM sources has been to repeat and amplify Ukrainian government claims without providing proof or doing their basic journalistic due diligence, which they used to do for instance in their coverage of the Vietnam War. They are essentially a propaganda arm of this war to the last Ukrainian. They have spread bad war propaganda like the story of the Ghost of Kiev ace pilot with 40 victories until the truth came out, or the barrage of news about Russia running out of weapons throughout the war.

Washington Post: Russia's been running out of everything since February 24 and is really going to run out very, very soon 😂😂😂 pic.twitter.com/Jm7At9w0nf

— ₦₳V𝚜𝚝é𝚟𝚊 🇷🇺 ᴢ (@Navsteva) June 25, 2022

BBC 2022: Russia is running out of weapons.
BBC exactly one year later: Western allies say they are running out of weapons. pic.twitter.com/D75d5GKHql

— Sprinter Observer (@SprinterObserve) October 5, 2023

‼️🇺🇦🇰🇵🇷🇺 Zelensky knows that there are dead and wounded North Korean soldiers but he can't provide any exact numbers - or proof! #Ukraine #Russia pic.twitter.com/bGqQJTBwKJ

— Maimunka News (@MaimunkaNews) December 2, 2024

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Again, your bias is on full display.

Glenn Diesen. This man is a regular commentator on Russia Today, the Russian state owned international news network, funded by the Russian government. He is a member of the Valdai Discussion Club, a think tank linked with Vladimir Putin. He uses the phrase, "collective West", which is used by Russia to portray itself as "us against everyone". It is nothing short of Russian propaganda. He is part of the Russian propaganda aparatus. This is why your posts give everyone pause.

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First, you're proving my point and discrediting yourself once again here, because you're attacking the author of the tweet and not its content, which is from documented sources and obviously true, validating my points. It is not Glenn Diesen saying that NATO induced the war by crossing Russian red lines, it is a former NATO boss and the head of US intelligence William Burns affirming that NATO's aggressive stance is going to start a civil war in Ukraine and pull Russia into invading Ukraine - fact.

Second, Glenn Diesen is a political science professor from Norway, part of the faculty at a major Norwegian university. The main reason he is on RT is because his contrarian views are completely shut out from the US/NATO MSM. And this post above about the origins of the Ukraine war is a prime example of those kinds of views being factual, on point and never discussed by the MSM, which is failing in its basic journalistic duties here.

No 88. What I am saying is you are completely bent. It's astonishing that you eat this Russian hype. What I wrote was that Glenn Diesen is a Russian propagandist so ANYTHING coming out of this guys mouth or that he tweets should be taken for exactly what it is: Russian propaganda. Do you deny that this man is on RT? That this man is part of a Putin think tank? Are you that washed?

From the top then?

Sprinter Observe - decidedly pro Russian. His tweets are about as pro Russia as it gets.

Navsteva - also pro Russian in tweets and links.

Maimunka News - yep. Pro Russia. "giving you the news that Western media won't show you!"

88, I think its time you be honest with us. Are you on the Russian roll?

I was on a raspberry swiss roll a couple of weeks ago.

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No 88. What I am saying is you are completely bent. It's astonishing that you eat this Russian hype. What I wrote was that Glenn Diesen is a Russian propagandist so ANYTHING coming out of this guys mouth or that he tweets should be taken for exactly what it is: Russian propaganda. Do you deny that this man is on RT? That this man is part of a Putin think tank? Are you that washed?

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What was the "Russian hype" in Diesen's tweets above? He posted a video of the former NATO Secretary General affirming that Bush overrode the recommendations of Gates and Condi Rice against moving to expand NATO presence in Georgia and Ukraine, and the other tweet was the same analysis made by William Burns, US Ambassador to Russia at the time, currently head of Central Intelligence, who stated that NATO encroachment into Ukraine would precipitate civil war in Ukraine and Russian invasion. Prof. Diesen being on RT does not change these basic facts.

Sorry, a bit late to this thread. Now, why is it that we support Ukraine from those who do? Is it all about let them have the casualties against Russia so we don't down the line? Is it that we will spend massive $$$$ but no personal so we have no body count but they do? is it that our allies cannot stop Russia had Ukraine fallen in week one and they would have been into Poland/NATO and the Baltic states? If so, kinda chicken little, NO?

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No 88. What I am saying is you are completely bent. It's astonishing that you eat this Russian hype. What I wrote was that Glenn Diesen is a Russian propagandist so ANYTHING coming out of this guys mouth or that he tweets should be taken for exactly what it is: Russian propaganda. Do you deny that this man is on RT? That this man is part of a Putin think tank? Are you that washed?

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Do you get paid to spout nato propaganda no matter how untruthful it is?

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Yes, the state of New York changed their statute of limitations for one year to go after President Trump on a 25-year-old allegation

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There shouldn't be a statute of limitations on sex crimes.

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This is a terrible take. Can you recall exactly where you were and what you did 10 years ago today? 15? 20? 25?

The purpose of an SOL is to ensure that evidence/testimony is reliable, collected ASAP, and that the defendant has a reasonable chance of defending him/herself. Among other things, you need to ability to collect contemporaneous witness statements, etc.

I know people here hate Trump. But it is absurd to expect him (or anyone else) to defend themselves against a vague allegation of wrongdoing that occurred 20+ years in the past when the plaintiff can't even specify the date of the alleged assault.

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To you and Oski003, my opinion has nothing to do with Trump. Some crimes are so heinous and damaging to the victim that the perpetrator shouldn't escape justice because it took too much time to identify him. DNA evidence makes identification very reliable even decades later.

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That's a whole different ballgame and certainly not what happened to Trump and his accuser.

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No 88. What I am saying is you are completely bent. It's astonishing that you eat this Russian hype. What I wrote was that Glenn Diesen is a Russian propagandist so ANYTHING coming out of this guys mouth or that he tweets should be taken for exactly what it is: Russian propaganda. Do you deny that this man is on RT? That this man is part of a Putin think tank? Are you that washed?

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Do you get paid to spout nato propaganda no matter how untruthful it is?

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Tell me exactly what the NATO propaganda is? I'm curious. Give me a baseline of NATO propaganda. Because I'm more debunking 88's outlandish reposting of tweets more than I am trying to back up NATO. I'm wondering why 88 is in the bag for Russia. He's no peacenik. He isn't saying "make love not war". He's actively cheering for Russia. I'm debunking Russian propaganda and calling out his "sources" more than defending NATO. So give me some nato propaganda and we can go from there.

Are you still not going to admit that the Biden Ukraine conspiracy stuff was a lie? You got the win. Can you just admit that it was all a lie?

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YOU regard it as right. Everyone else sees the source of these tweets and disregards because they're so bent to Russia. And all you do is tweet these "sources" as if they're fact. That's why you're attacked. Because you're research is lazy.

The Guardian, NPR, Nikkei Asia, Newsweek, Politico.eu, Radio Free Asia, the BBC, EuroNews. All of these reporting agencies, to name a few, have reported that minimally 300 up to 1000 North Korean troops have died in Ukraine. Now who are we to believe? Any one of these news outlets or the rando twitter dude that you keep posting? I mean, are you serious?

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Do you have any proof of "a minimum of 300 to 1000 North Korean troops having died in Ukraine"?

Didn't think so.

The pattern from these MSM sources has been to repeat and amplify Ukrainian government claims without providing proof or doing their basic journalistic due diligence, which they used to do for instance in their coverage of the Vietnam War. They are essentially a propaganda arm of this war to the last Ukrainian. They have spread bad war propaganda like the story of the Ghost of Kiev ace pilot with 40 victories until the truth came out, or the barrage of news about Russia running out of weapons throughout the war.

Washington Post: Russia's been running out of everything since February 24 and is really going to run out very, very soon 😂😂😂 pic.twitter.com/Jm7At9w0nf

— ₦₳V𝚜𝚝é𝚟𝚊 🇷🇺 ᴢ (@Navsteva) June 25, 2022

BBC 2022: Russia is running out of weapons.
BBC exactly one year later: Western allies say they are running out of weapons. pic.twitter.com/D75d5GKHql

— Sprinter Observer (@SprinterObserve) October 5, 2023

‼️🇺🇦🇰🇵🇷🇺 Zelensky knows that there are dead and wounded North Korean soldiers but he can't provide any exact numbers - or proof! #Ukraine #Russia pic.twitter.com/bGqQJTBwKJ

— Maimunka News (@MaimunkaNews) December 2, 2024

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Russia running out of weapons and western countries running out of weapons can both be true. Also, Zelensky not having hard numbers about North Korean deaths isn't surprising since it's happening at the front lines of a war zone and recovering enemy bodies at the risk of losing your own soldiers would be foolish.

Once again, more tweets from random pro-Russia Twitter posters with relative few followers. The Sprinter Observer/Sprinter Family account doesn't even exist anymore.

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They could just take some pictures of those alleged Nork bodies, if they are really killing hundreds/thousands of them, there will then be countless situations where they move in on positions they have managed to clear with lots and lots of bodies.

The assessment of Russia running out of weapons, which was widely pushed in the MSM, was pure wartime propaganda, not rooted in facts. It was never true.

Many serious analysts like Col. Macgregor or Swiss Col. Jacques Baud (who was a top Russia analyst for the Swiss army, and also worked with NATO) disagreed with that assessment. On the other side, you had a wartime NATO information bubble that pushed a false narrative, which was amplified by the MSM.

Ultimately it's not about rooting for one side, it's about cutting through the wartime BS and understanding what is really going on.

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No 88. What I am saying is you are completely bent. It's astonishing that you eat this Russian hype. What I wrote was that Glenn Diesen is a Russian propagandist so ANYTHING coming out of this guys mouth or that he tweets should be taken for exactly what it is: Russian propaganda. Do you deny that this man is on RT? That this man is part of a Putin think tank? Are you that washed?

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Do you get paid to spout nato propaganda no matter how untruthful it is?

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Tell me exactly what the NATO propaganda is? I'm curious. Give me a baseline of NATO propaganda. Because I'm more debunking 88's outlandish reposting of tweets more than I am trying to back up NATO. I'm wondering why 88 is in the bag for Russia. He's no peacenik. He isn't saying "make love not war". He's actively cheering for Russia. I'm debunking Russian propaganda and calling out his "sources" more than defending NATO. So give me some nato propaganda and we can go from there.

Are you still not going to admit that the Biden Ukraine conspiracy stuff was a lie? You got the win. Can you just admit that it was all a lie?

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Cal88 laid some of it out at 537 pm today. Are you a paid shill? Thanks.

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Yes, the state of New York changed their statute of limitations for one year to go after President Trump on a 25-year-old allegation

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There shouldn't be a statute of limitations on sex crimes.

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This is a terrible take. Can you recall exactly where you were and what you did 10 years ago today? 15? 20? 25?

The purpose of an SOL is to ensure that evidence/testimony is reliable, collected ASAP, and that the defendant has a reasonable chance of defending him/herself. Among other things, you need to ability to collect contemporaneous witness statements, etc.

I know people here hate Trump. But it is absurd to expect him (or anyone else) to defend themselves against a vague allegation of wrongdoing that occurred 20+ years in the past when the plaintiff can't even specify the date of the alleged assault.

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To you and Oski003, my opinion has nothing to do with Trump. Some crimes are so heinous and damaging to the victim that the perpetrator shouldn't escape justice because it took too much time to identify him. DNA evidence makes identification very reliable even decades later.

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DNA evidence doesn't tell you much in the context of a he said/she said allegation. Obviously, it is more probative in a situation where a rape is immediately reported but the perpetrator cannot be found - and I would agree with you in that context.

Of course, the Trump claims had nothing to do with DNA and were civil (not criminal) so there wasn't even a question of a crime. It was a pure smear/hit job where, incidentally, the plaintiff's attorneys fees were paid by a democrat political operative (Reid Hoffman).

https://www.axios.com/2023/04/13/linkedin-founder-funding-e-jean-carroll-trump-suit

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ana***uy/2023/05/10/what-was-reid-hoffmans-role-in-funding-e-jean-carrolls-case/