^ "Absolute falsehoods"?

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I wish Putin had the peaceful instincts of his fans in America and in the Trump Administration.

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USAID is sponsoring the Martians.

tequila4kapp said:

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Haloski said:

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I love how some peeps chime in on this thread "MIC BAD" (which it is) but don't have the spine (permission?) to say anything negative about Putin and his cronies who benefit similarly from the system they've created in Russia. It's precious.

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How does Russia manage to outproduce all of NATO plus S. Korea and Japan by orders of magnitude with less that 1/10th of their combined military budgets??

Why is the development cost of the main modern Russian fighter program, the Su-57, 40 times lower than that of the F-35, with a better final product?

It's almost as if their MIC was efficiently run...

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Same basic question with education. We spend more per student than anyone else but are consistently ranked @40th. Hmmm.

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A quickie Google search says Russia graduates 450K engineering students every year, and we graduate 70K? I knew there was a big difference, not sure if this holds true.

Cal88 said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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Cal88 said:

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Haloski said:

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I love how some peeps chime in on this thread "MIC BAD" (which it is) but don't have the spine (permission?) to say anything negative about Putin and his cronies who benefit similarly from the system they've created in Russia. It's precious.

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How does Russia manage to outproduce all of NATO plus S. Korea and Japan by orders of magnitude with less that 1/10th of their combined military budgets??

Why is the development cost of the main modern Russian fighter program, the Su-57, 40 times lower than that of the F-35, with a better final product?

It's almost as if their MIC was efficiently run...

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Same basic question with education. We spend more per student than anyone else but are consistently ranked @40th. Hmmm.

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Apparently spending on K-12 education is about 40% higher per child than the average for industrialized countries, but the delta is much higher for healthcare, about 100% more per capita than France, Belgium, Sweden, Australia, Canada etc.

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UCSF and UC Davis are both building new $4 Billion medical high rises.

** C-A popcorn **

So Victoria Nuland was over in Ukraine to simply sample
borscht, holubtsi, and cabbage rolls?

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Cal88 said:

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^ "Absolute falsehoods"?

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This constantly repeated idea that the US forced a regime change in Ukraine? False.

I know, you believe it too.

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Forced is a strong word. They amplified the feelings for the regime change and then provided the means to do it.

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sycasey said:

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Cal88 said:

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^ "Absolute falsehoods"?

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This constantly repeated idea that the US forced a regime change in Ukraine? False.

I know, you believe it too.

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Forced is a strong word. They amplified the feelings for the regime change and then provided the means to do it.

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"Encouraged once already happening" would be fair enough. That is not what is often claimed here.

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The western Ukrainian ultranationalists and SS veterans have been funded since the 1950s by the US/NATO deep state, because they are the segment of Ukrainian society that hates the Russians and their own Russian minority, so an ideal tool against Russia.

https://fpif.org/seven-decades-nazi-collaboration-americas-dirty-little-ukraine-secret/

Once it became clear in the mid/late 00s that Putin wasn't going to play ball like his predecessor Yeltsin, the Ukraine project was stepped up to the tune of $5 billion in funds funneled through the USAID/NED network set up in Ukraine, which engineered and oversaw the Maidan color revolution in 2014 with Nuland hand-picking the new government. Several billions more in military aid were also spent in Ukraine, turning far-right soccer hooligans into paramilitary groups like Azov.

ARREST Victoria Nuland. "USAID is a front for the CIA, which spent $5 billion in 2014 to foment a color revolution in Ukraine. Victoria Nuland chose a new government a month before the old one was overthrown..." — RFK Jr. pic.twitter.com/m3FMrZRwq0

— Ignorance, the root and stem of all evil (@ivan_8848) February 2, 2025

"Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said Friday he stands by his comments from Brussels earlier this week on it being unrealistic for Ukraine to be offered NATO membership as part of a settlement, for it to regain its pre-2014 territory, or for U.S. troops to enter the country to keep the peace. "

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"Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said Friday he stands by his comments from Brussels earlier this week on it being unrealistic for Ukraine to be offered NATO membership as part of a settlement, for it to regain its pre-2014 territory, or for U.S. troops to enter the country to keep the peace. "

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He's been criticized for giving away too much before the negotiations even started, but that statement accomplished two things, it enabled the negotiations to begin in earnest with the Russians, and it also puts pressure on the Russians to accept a plan with the current borders.

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I am also now reading, again, allegations that Ukrainian President Zelenskyy is directly connected to the narcotics trade in Europe.

Given the C-As history, it adds another layer.

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His buddy Klitch, Kiev mayor and a rival who Zel might arrest soon along with Poroshenko who is already sidelined, is heavily involved in sex trafficking, running strip joints and *****houses.

🇺🇦 Klitshko family has a brothel in the house they live in!

Ksenia Semenova, deputy of the Kyiv City Council Asked the mayor to comment on the information that his family owns a brothel in the city center.

Klitschko did not comment.

1/ pic.twitter.com/jt3EGXFETv

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) February 6, 2025

Why would a wealthy, internationally known millionaire, politician and athlete do something so foolish?

Propoganda, corrupt country, or too many hits to the head?

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That's how he became a millionaire in the first place, before the billions from NATO started flowing.

Ukraine has been the European hub for all sorts of traffics for several decades now.

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lol

Did ChatCCCP lose access to outside information today?

Whereas your access to information on this and many other issues seems blocked 24/7.

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Jen Psaki accidentally tells the truth, admits the United States only pretends to care about human rights

Jen Psaki reveals how fake U.S. government concern about human rights can be, describing how hours-long meetings would often spend 5 minutes on human rights just so they could say they did in the public readout.

JEN PSAKI:   "I worked at the State Department for a couple of… pic.twitter.com/YxdKMxsW2m

— Ken Klippenstein (@kenklippenstein) February 14, 2025

Wall Street Journal headline lies about Vance's speech to EU

Holy crap. Read the headline Wall Street Journal printed next to the actual transcript of the interview with @JDVance. This is one of the most intentionally dishonest things I've seen in a long time. When Did @WSJ turn into the Huffington Post? pic.twitter.com/9J8TuzwFmv

— Andrew Surabian (@Surabees) February 14, 2025

How much longer until Ukrainians get what happened to them pic.twitter.com/UhMKc1DPOd

— Mark Ames (@MarkAmesExiled) February 13, 2025

If the Ukraine proxy war is really on its last legs, prepare for yet another Russiagate-type cycle where everyone who bought into the jingoistic scam narrative pretends to be against it after its collapse.

— Aaron Maté (@aaronjmate) February 13, 2025

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Excellent speech by Vance, he's really exceeding all expectations there.

The EU has really become soft Eurowennies. To allow... no, facilitate... hundreds of thousands of child r*pe victims... upwards of one million in the UK alone (one estimate) ... victims... often individual victims r*ped hundreds, thousands of times over years... then pimoed out, trafficked, tortured ... partially fueled by drugs, pornography, inbreeding and racism ... and look the other way... all in deference to multiculturalism and fear... it's so sick and baffling.

Are they still shell shocked from WWI and WWII? Then as the r*pe gangs started, they didn't want to be called racist... so they looked away... maybe some are bought off, others threatened. And the need for cheap labor.

They should have expelled all the radical clerics, all the illegals, closed the border and more. It would have been unpleasant. Now the elderly cower, the wealthy are moving out, and the middle and lower classes are targets in limbo.

Where are the Feminists, the American posers, Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, the Church of England? All neutered, bought off, drunk, or dreaming of retirement in Spain or Portugal?

All over Europe Ukranian govt officials are reportedly seen driving exotic cars, sporting multi-million-dollar yachts, and staying at the most expensive hotels. On top of that, shopping at exclusive stores, buying jewelry and watches.

Reports suggest the Ukraine military and govt officials are often living a life of opulence. Locals simply nod toward the vulgarity of it and say, "Ukraine." It's an open joke, and they are reviled.

Most Ukrainian government officials are considered vulgar, rude and cruel by commoners. The arrogance is palpable, like, say, Klitschko. This is what eye witnesses convey.

Just like the r*pe gangs, the MSM cowers or is bought off, so the reality is hidden and the game continues.

Let’s say it mildly, without insults: European leaders are not smart pic.twitter.com/rQXWWkVssx

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) February 15, 2025

Sweet Jesus, they can't really be that dumb can they?

Cognitive dissonance? We used Ukraine as a proxy army in an unwinnable war and slaughtered one million Ukrainians. NATO is weaker, Russia is stronger, and the MIC likely has record profits.

UKRAINE: Even Biden, albeit privately, told Zelensky that Ukraine will never be part of NATO. pic.twitter.com/QRuLsldXwO

— @amuse (@amuse) February 15, 2025

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Sweet Jesus, they can't really be that dumb can they?

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🇺🇸🇪🇺🇺🇦‼️🚨 EUROPEAN LEADERS GIVE ZELENSKY STANDING OVATIONS!

They were sitting with quiet mesmerized and shocked faces when US VP Vance told them to stop being totalitarian warmongers.

But for the beggar they applaud. pic.twitter.com/noADDuDqtk

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) February 15, 2025

Yes, they can.

Cheering the destruction of Ukraine, NATO, and one million dead Ukrainians. Insanity.

Macron has invited EU leaders to an emergency summit meeting in Paris, tomorrow.

Guardian: "...as concerns grew over Donald Trump's attempts to seize control of the Ukraine peace process.

"The Europeans' anxieties intensified on Saturday when Trump's special envoy for Ukraine, Keith Kellogg, said it was not realistic for Europe's leaders to be involved. "It may be like chalk on the blackboard, it may grate a little bit, but I am telling you something that is really quite honest," said Kellogg at the Munich conference.

"And to my European friends, I would say: 'Get into the debate, not by complaining that you might, yes or no, be at the table, but by coming up with concrete proposals, ideas, ramp up [defence] spending.'"

"Kellogg said he was working on "Trump time", and an agreement was expected in weeks and months.

"The US is also reported to have sent a letter to European states, asking what troops they are willing to supply to a peacekeeping force.

"One European diplomat said that "it appears Europe is going to be asked to police a deal that it had no direct hand in negotiating. In the meantime, Donald Trump is seeking to take 50% control of Ukraine's rare minerals".

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/15/europe-will-not-take-part-in-us-russia-talks-ukraine-kellogg

There was no peace process or plans before President Trump.

Dad is home.

Yahoo: " U.S. State Secretary Marco Rubio held a phone conversation with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov on Feb. 15, just days after U.S. President Donald Trump spoke to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

"Building on the Feb. 12 phone conversation between the presidents of Russia and the United States, the foreign ministers agreed to maintain a communication channel to address accumulated issues in Russian-American relations," a readout from the Russian Foreign Ministry read.

"This is aimed at removing the unilateral barriers inherited from the previous administration that hinder mutually beneficial trade, economic, and investment cooperation."

[…] Saudi Arabia will reportedly hold a summit between Trump and Putin in Riyadh, the Saudi Foreign Ministry said on Feb. 14, although the dates have not yet been finalized."

Europe has spent 150 Billion less than the US in Ukraine and the European money is in the form of a loan?

We have been played again.

Biden/Nuland/Sullivan/Rice started a war that we did not have enough manufacturing to fulfill basic weaponry.

The next Ukrainian government will not repay European loan, nor should they, they should send the bill to Boris Johnson's address instead.

Stupid is, as stupid does.

ESCALATION: Finland has announced plans to construct two modern NATO bases near its border with Russia, including one in Lapland. pic.twitter.com/u4FLPOO9Ce

— @amuse (@amuse) February 16, 2025