This war should've ended a year ago. In truth it is a disaster for both sides. Russia and Ukraine have suffered great losses of human treasure for a battle over minimal ****ty territory. Putin is hardly a winner; when this ends he has to face his populace and answer for all the dead young men, and economic and cultural isolation. And Ukraine is a basket case. This is Europe's problem not ours. Trump is actually right when he says- lol- that there is a "beautiful ocean" between us and them.
The Official Russian Invasion of Ukraine Thread
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sycasey said:Very well, just want to make sure folks here are aligned on what should be the end goal (even if it's years away).Cal88 said:
That is where they could be headed in a decade or two, not unlike the path of say S. Korea or Taiwan, which were very authoritarian governments (much more so than the current Russian system) up to the 00s. The Russians' current government is also a bit like Singapore's, which has effectively had a one party system for over 50 years now IIRC.
No doubt, the US f***ed up Russia's transition out of the post-Soviet government. I have plenty of criticisms of that myself. That doesn't mean an authoritarian system is better for the country.
This kind of addresses the issue as well.
oski003 said:DiabloWags said:
When your own Vice President calls you out for being a MORON.
MAGA!!!
His Vice President is JD Vance, not Pence.
Of course Pence isnt Trump's current VP.
But he still gets the title.
Duh.
Tell you what.
I will pay you $100 via PayPal to put me on IGNORE.
You can't reply to any of my posts or quote me.
That's my offer.
Let me know by Noon tomorrow.
These talks about Ukraine in Riyadh between the U.S. and Russia are eerily similar to when Trump sent Mike Pompeo to Qatar to negotiate with the TALIBAN, without anyone from the Afghani government at the table.
Does anyone think that Trump wouldnt want a seat at the table in similar circumstances?
So why doesn't Zelensky get one?
Asking for a friend.
Does anyone think that Trump wouldnt want a seat at the table in similar circumstances?
So why doesn't Zelensky get one?
Asking for a friend.
For me it's this simple: What entries in Trump's or Putin's track record would give you the confidence to trust either of them?
…and don't even get me started on the Saudis.
…and don't even get me started on the Saudis.
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bearister said:
For me it's this simple: What entries in Trump's or Putin's track record would give you the confidence to trust either of them?
…and don't even get me started on the Saudis.
Well if that's the question then the obvious next question is what the $uck was the Biden Adminstration thinking? On both this and Gaza they did nothing while Trump pretty much said what he was going to do. So why didn't they use Trump to push for a better deal? Their incompetence during all this is staggering.
Watch or read Hillbilly Elegy. It's moving and it gives a first person account of how someone could believe in America First. There's a legitimacy to it with him that doesn't exist with Trump and foreshadows the movement thriving beyond Trump. It made me affirmatively a fan of Vance (as opposed to Trump where I simply agree with him on some number of things).movielover said:
I never warmed to Pence, too stiff and inauthentic.
I was unsure about Vance, he seemed to stumble a bit first out of the gate... and gets backed by the tech bros.
. but he's been string since, and his speech in Europe was near perfect, though I wish he would gave been a bit more direct alluding to the rape gangs and uncivilized men marauding through Europe.
I caught a young hot Spanish lady today on Twitter, she said she feels more safe in the UAE than Spain. She walks to the store at 1:30 AM for water, while in Spain she no longer feels safe at night.
DiabloWags said:movielover said:
I never warmed to Pence, too stiff and inauthentic.
I bet you were drooling all over your TV set on Jan. 6th hoping that Pence would be hung by the Proud Boys.
It would be God's will.
Do you think it would have had a positive result had the J6 crazies hung Pence? Would some of Trump's cult members snapped back to consciousness? If so, Pence would have been acceptable collateral damage if his neck stretching kept Trump from a 2nd term.
Final question: Do you think Pence would have given a last words speech like Francis Elroy Duffy?
"You're now looking, for the last time, at the mortal body of Francis Elroy Duffy, born to John and Edna Duffy, good, God-fearing folk. Who raised me up to be a good man and a good Christian, and I was a good Christian, a good husband to my beloved wife, good father to my children, who I leave behind, hoping that they, and all you, will learn this here lesson which I leave you with. When you take the devil into your mouth, you're doomed! For he is lying there in wait for you inside that bottle of whiskey. Waiting for you to take him into your mouth. Waiting to get down into your guts where he can do his devil's work. Liquor is the most foul, evil thing in this here world. It destroyed good men like myself. It'll destroy you too. Beer is not much better - it's slower, cheaper. So take these words of advice. And remember, you heard them from a poor sinner, got no more cause to lie, 'cause he's going to meet his Maker. Now he's ready. Well that's all I've got to say."
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Some people felt the same way about Mein Kampf....look how that turned out.tequila4kapp said:Watch or read Hillbilly Elegy. It's moving and it gives a first person account of how someone could believe in America First. There's a legitimacy to it with him that doesn't exist with Trump and foreshadows the movement thriving beyond Trump. It made me affirmatively a fan of Vance (as opposed to Trump where I simply agree with him on some number of things).movielover said:
I never warmed to Pence, too stiff and inauthentic.
I was unsure about Vance, he seemed to stumble a bit first out of the gate... and gets backed by the tech bros.
. but he's been string since, and his speech in Europe was near perfect, though I wish he would gave been a bit more direct alluding to the rape gangs and uncivilized men marauding through Europe.
I caught a young hot Spanish lady today on Twitter, she said she feels more safe in the UAE than Spain. She walks to the store at 1:30 AM for water, while in Spain she no longer feels safe at night.
BTW, look at the actions of Vance. He certainly does not put America first, he is all about enriching himself and christian nationalist policies.
DiabloWags said:
These talks about Ukraine in Riyadh between the U.S. and Russia are eerily similar to when Trump sent Mike Pompeo to Qatar to negotiate with the TALIBAN, without anyone from the Afghani government at the table.
Does anyone think that Trump wouldnt want a seat at the table in similar circumstances?
So why doesn't Zelensky get one?
Asking for a friend.
1. Ukraine is utterly corrupt and has siphoned away 50% (or more) of our monies in various ways
2. Ukraine took out a loan from Europe on a smaller amount; while Biden gave him $300 Billion of our tax dollars (and bent over)
3. There are allegations and rumors that Z is part of trafficking drugs
4. Zelensky could have chosen peace several times, and instead chose war / and / or was bought off
5. Zelensky allegedly agreed to some recent conditions of ours. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent then traveled to Kyiv to meet with Zelenskyy, some of it via dangerous train routes, with documents for Zelensky to sign. After that long arduous trip, Zelenskyy refused to meet with Bessent - they said Z was "sleeping". This erratic behavior possibly points back to #3, and he's been traveling internationally a lot as well.
6. He is hesitating on paying back our $300 Billion that Biden (Sullivan / Blinken) gave away via mineral rights and deposits.
The Daily Mail is a pro Trump rag sheet…..but they published this:
https://mol.im/a/14416393
*What parts of the piece are a lie? Will Trump sue for defamation? If not, why not?
https://mol.im/a/14416393
*What parts of the piece are a lie? Will Trump sue for defamation? If not, why not?
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Since you have a strong tendency to do nothing but "parrot" Trump's lies about Ukraine, please substantiate your claim that the United States has given Ukraine $300 Billion.
The Special Inspector General for Operation Atlantic Resolve (OAR) which handles U.S. oversight of this spending, states that Congress has not appropriated anywhere near the sum that you and Trump claim, let alone obligated, or disbursed.
Fact Check: Did the US Give $350B to Ukraine, as Trump Claims? - Newsweek
The Special Inspector General for Operation Atlantic Resolve (OAR) which handles U.S. oversight of this spending, states that Congress has not appropriated anywhere near the sum that you and Trump claim, let alone obligated, or disbursed.
Fact Check: Did the US Give $350B to Ukraine, as Trump Claims? - Newsweek
DiabloWags said:
Since you have a strong tendency to do nothing but "parrot" Trump's lies about Ukraine, please substantiate your claim that the United States has given Ukraine $300 Billion.
The Special Inspector General for Operation Atlantic Resolve (OAR) which handles U.S. oversight of this spending, states that Congress has not appropriated anywhere near the sum that you and Trump claim, let alone obligated, or disbursed.
Fact Check: Did the US Give $350B to Ukraine, as Trump Claims? - Newsweek
The number is about 160 billion in just military aid to Ukraine since 2014. What is the number for non-military aid?
Goal posts moved!
That should complete everyone's Conservative Equivocation Bingo card for the day!
That should complete everyone's Conservative Equivocation Bingo card for the day!
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
Ukrainian female POWs tortured and paraded naked through the snow by Russian troops
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/women-and-girls/ukrainian-female-pows-tortured-and-paraded-naked-by-russian/
Russia rejoices as Trump goes full Kremlin POLITICO
https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-donald-trump-kremlin-volodymyr-zelenskyy-ukraine-moscow/
Fox's Mark Levin Debunks Trump Claims About Ukraine, Putin
https://www.mediaite.com/news/mark-levin-defies-trump-by-backing-zelensky-and-trashing-putin-bashes-sick-and-un-american-foreign-policy/
*These stories and the opinions expressed in them are not endorsed by Col. MacGregor, Tulsi Gabbard or R/T
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/women-and-girls/ukrainian-female-pows-tortured-and-paraded-naked-by-russian/
Russia rejoices as Trump goes full Kremlin POLITICO
https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-donald-trump-kremlin-volodymyr-zelenskyy-ukraine-moscow/
Fox's Mark Levin Debunks Trump Claims About Ukraine, Putin
https://www.mediaite.com/news/mark-levin-defies-trump-by-backing-zelensky-and-trashing-putin-bashes-sick-and-un-american-foreign-policy/
*These stories and the opinions expressed in them are not endorsed by Col. MacGregor, Tulsi Gabbard or R/T
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Levin is 100% right.
From his wiki page:tequila4kapp said:
Levin is 100% right.
Quote:
WMDs in Iraq
In 2014, Levin claimed that the Bush administration's original WMD rationale for the Iraq War had been vindicated by citing reports of U.S. soldiers in Iraq that were wounded by the decayed remnants of Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons arsenal. The remnants in question were degraded and unusable chemical weapons shells from the 1980s. Levin faulted the Bush administration for not doing more to publicize these remnants of Iraq's former WMD program.
Opposition to Trump from hardcore neocons like him should be viewed as positive endorsements.
Well said. 100%.tequila4kapp said:Watch or read Hillbilly Elegy. It's moving and it gives a first person account of how someone could believe in America First. There's a legitimacy to it with him that doesn't exist with Trump and foreshadows the movement thriving beyond Trump. It made me affirmatively a fan of Vance (as opposed to Trump where I simply agree with him on some number of things).movielover said:
I never warmed to Pence, too stiff and inauthentic.
I was unsure about Vance, he seemed to stumble a bit first out of the gate... and gets backed by the tech bros.
. but he's been string since, and his speech in Europe was near perfect, though I wish he would gave been a bit more direct alluding to the rape gangs and uncivilized men marauding through Europe.
I caught a young hot Spanish lady today on Twitter, she said she feels more safe in the UAE than Spain. She walks to the store at 1:30 AM for water, while in Spain she no longer feels safe at night.
I'm not sure all of this should be said publicly, and he doesn't touch on our significant culpability in the conflict for understandable reasons, but he nails it here.
This is moralistic garbage, which is unfortunately the rhetorical currency of the globalists because they have nothing else to say.
— JD Vance (@JDVance) February 20, 2025
For three years, President Trump and I have made two simple arguments: first, the war wouldn't have started if President Trump was in office;… https://t.co/xH33s6X5yf
When will President Trump lay off some of our unneeded 45 4-star Generals?
Gonzalo Lira, who was murdered by zelenky, predicted the death of the Ukrainian nation
— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) February 20, 2025
pic.twitter.com/fsWzfHgQEa
tequila4kapp said:Watch or read Hillbilly Elegy. It's moving and it gives a first person account of how someone could believe in America First. There's a legitimacy to it with him that doesn't exist with Trump and foreshadows the movement thriving beyond Trump. It made me affirmatively a fan of Vance (as opposed to Trump where I simply agree with him on some number of things).movielover said:
I never warmed to Pence, too stiff and inauthentic.
I was unsure about Vance, he seemed to stumble a bit first out of the gate... and gets backed by the tech bros.
. but he's been string since, and his speech in Europe was near perfect, though I wish he would gave been a bit more direct alluding to the rape gangs and uncivilized men marauding through Europe.
I caught a young hot Spanish lady today on Twitter, she said she feels more safe in the UAE than Spain. She walks to the store at 1:30 AM for water, while in Spain she no longer feels safe at night.
As fortunate as we are to have Vance as VP, one could make the argument that it didn't really matter who Trump's VP pick was to win the election. There is no America First movement or JD Vance as a potential presidential candidate without Trump.
Trump is way better than Vance.
At least General Milley's security clearance was revoked last month so he can't go around Trump's back and make calls to China anymore.movielover said:
When will President Trump lay off some of our unneeded 45 4-star Generals?
Levin is right about all of this:Cal88 said:From his wiki page:tequila4kapp said:
Levin is 100% right.Opposition to Trump from hardcore neocons like him should be viewed as positive endorsements.Quote:
WMDs in Iraq
In 2014, Levin claimed that the Bush administration's original WMD rationale for the Iraq War had been vindicated by citing reports of U.S. soldiers in Iraq that were wounded by the decayed remnants of Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons arsenal. The remnants in question were degraded and unusable chemical weapons shells from the 1980s. Levin faulted the Bush administration for not doing more to publicize these remnants of Iraq's former WMD program.
"I don't have a problem if it's the position of our administration to cut back on support for Ukraine which I oppose, by the way then so be it. Elections have consequences, so be it. But I want to make sure the facts are on the table ***
Zelensky ordered martial law that's what the constitution there compelled. Zelensky hasn't called for an election that's what the constitution there compels. Now, I'm waiting for the first free election for Vladimir Putin. I mean, this is almost comical in a sick way that Putin is demanding an election. Why is he demanding an election in Ukraine when he doesn't have free and real elections in his own country? And why does he-, why does he get to call the shots when in fact, he murders people who dare to challenge him?
Ukraine *** didn't start this war. What were they supposed to do? Roll over and play dead? *** But the idea that Ukraine must hold elections in violation of its own constitution as a condition for peace, or that Ukraine must give up more territory as a condition for peace…"
Of course. The VP pick never matters, unless they really muck things up.
Trump is the today of America First. Vance is its future, and he largely comes with an appealing personal story, objective intelligence and other endearing qualities, not Trump's "stuff"
Trump is the today of America First. Vance is its future, and he largely comes with an appealing personal story, objective intelligence and other endearing qualities, not Trump's "stuff"
Zelensky shouldn't have bitten the hand that fed him, he is going to be a lot more diplomatic with Trump and his envoys now.
BREAKING: According to Ukrainian state media outlet KyivPost, quoting parliamentary member Roman Kostenko, head of the Ukrainian Defense Committee, the United States has ordered the stop of all weapons transfers to Ukraine. pic.twitter.com/BVwNCgTxkl
— Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) February 20, 2025
It is not Neo-Con to observe that Trump has 100% sided with Russia. We can be for ending the war without being on our knees for Putin in doing so.
This. Ending the war doesn't have to mean giving Putin everything he wants, even if the Trump team's opening offer seems to be pretty close to that.tequila4kapp said:
We can be for ending the war without being on our knees for Putin in doing so.
FAFO.
I guess being a lying sack of sh$t is an endearing quality for you.tequila4kapp said:
Of course. The VP pick never matters, unless they really muck things up.
Trump is the today of America First. Vance is its future, and he largely comes with an appealing personal story, objective intelligence and other endearing qualities, not Trump's "stuff"
sycasey said:This. Ending the war doesn't have to mean giving Putin everything he wants, even if the Trump team's opening offer seems to be pretty close to that.tequila4kapp said:
We can be for ending the war without being on our knees for Putin in doing so.
Trump has been doing a really masterful job with Ukraine, what you guys don't realize here is that this is the best and only way to save Ukraine as a state and preserve Ukrainian lives.
Trump is actually forcing Putin to take the current borders/4 oblasts while the Russians are on the verge of completely overrunning Ukrainian positions and streaking towards the Dniepr cutting off Ukraine in two. The hawks in Russia would have preferred a Harris victory, and no diplomatic overtures from the West, which would have meant that the Ukraine war would have been settled militarily rather than diplomatically.
There is a good chance that Putin will take the deal, with Zaporizhie and Kherson as the cherries on top, those are cities the Russians don't have yet but are part of the two oblasts by the same name they have annexed. This would come with a demilitarized and neutral Ukraine.
The alternative is, Russia annexes 4 more oblasts including Kharkov, Odessa and Dnipropetrosk, the 2nd, 3rd and 4th most important cities in Ukraine, all of them russophone with a fairly decent base of Russian supporters, and Russian regime change in Kiev obtained by military means (capture of Kiev), which the Russians could achieve in a year or two max by maintaining their attrition war.
movielover said:
When will President Trump lay off some of our unneeded 45 4-star Generals?
A 5X draft dodger laying off 4-star Generals?
Makes perfect sense.
When are you going to stop lying and substantiate your highly erroneous claims about the U.S. spending $300 billion on Ukraine?
DiabloWags said:movielover said:
When will President Trump lay off some of our unneeded 45 4-star Generals?
A 5X draft dodger laying off 4-star Generals?
Makes perfect sense.
When are you going to stop lying and substantiate your highly erroneous claims about the U.S. spending $300 billion on Ukraine?
Why are you always lying?
The US has spent almost $200 billion on just military aid for Ukraine since 2014. If you include non-military aid, it is likely much higher.
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