The Official Russian Invasion of Ukraine Thread

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movielover said:

The EU, NATO, MIC, and Zelensky doing their best to keep it going. Russia making progress, more land and bigger future neutral zone.


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movielover said:

The EU, NATO, MIC, and Zelensky doing their best to keep it going. Russia making progress, more land and bigger future neutral zone.

Not Russia's fault at all though, eh? Yeah, Putin would stop the war tomorrow, if only the other side would capitulate.
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How's your buddy Colonel MacGregor doing?
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DiabloWags said:

How's your buddy Colonel MacGregor doing?


Huddlin' up with that handsome Ms. Gabbard trying to figure how to tap into more of that RT interview vig.

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DiabloWags said:

How's your buddy Colonel MacGregor doing?



How's your buddy Max Goldman doing?
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"With each passing day, IRAN GROWS STRONGER"

- - - Douglas MacGregor


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DiabloWags said:

"With each passing day, IRAN GROWS STRONGER"

- - - Douglas MacGregor




He's right. The Iranians have survived the decapitation strike, their people are united behind their government, and Israel is not stopping Iranian missiles, and are going to be naked soon as their AA missile stock is getting depleted. The Iranians have just rebuffed the EU negotiators who required them to abandon all enrichment activities, it indicates growing confidence.

Also, it's kind of funny you're hating on Macgregor given that his camp, which includes people like Tulsi, MTG, Carlson et al are doing their best to keep us out of a big new war, pushing back on the Hannitys, Grahams, Levins etc. If you really understood this and were capable of putting away your partisanship, you would acknowledge this.
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MacGregor has been so WRONG about Russia, Ukraine, Israel, and Iran ... Im not surprised that you think he's credible.

Youre unable to acknowledge his horrible track record given your inherent bias.

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Cal88 said:

The Iranians have just rebuffed the EU negotiators who required them to abandon all enrichment activities, it indicates growing confidence.


More like growing DELUSION.
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Cal88 said:

DiabloWags said:

"With each passing day, IRAN GROWS STRONGER"

- - - Douglas MacGregor




He's right. The Iranians have survived the decapitation strike, their people are united behind their government, and Israel is not stopping Iranian missiles, and are going to be naked soon as their AA missile stock is getting depleted. The Iranians have just rebuffed the EU negotiators who required them to abandon all enrichment activities, it indicates growing confidence.

Also, it's kind of funny you're hating on Macgregor given that his camp, which includes people like Tulsi, MTG, Carlson et al are doing their best to keep us out of a big new war, pushing back on the Hannitys, Grahams, Levins etc. If you really understood this and were capable of putting away your partisanship, you would acknowledge this.


The Intell Community is trying to oust Tulsi Gabbard, which would be a huge loss. She has protected President Trump's back from the IC trying to take him out.
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DiabloWags said:

MacGregor has been so WRONG about Russia, Ukraine, Israel, and Iran ... Im not surprised that you think he's credible.

Youre unable to acknowledge his horrible track record given your inherent bias.




What was the recent dead body count exchange, 6,000 dead Ukranians and 70 dead Russians?

Years into this war, Russia still has 4x the manufacturing capability of the EU and NATO combined, and a backstop with NK. Now young women are fleeing Ukraine in higher numbers, many never to return. Demographic calamity, and EU men have no stomach for joining the war. Lots of Hopium and twisted ways of getting America to throw more money at this.
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^You can't change the mind of guys like Wags with facts like prisoner exchange ratios, because his opinions derive from his worldview, and you can't change his worldviews, which are deeply anchored in the Boomer experience. It is what it is.
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DiabloWags said:

MacGregor has been so WRONG about Russia, Ukraine, Israel, and Iran ... Im not surprised that you think he's credible.

Youre unable to acknowledge his horrible track record given your inherent bias.




What's he been wrong about?

The only think I can recall is he supposedly said the war would move more quickly... but he then calibrated years ago and said Russia used different tactics, prioritizing minimizing casualties, and neutralizing opponents and military armaments, over taking land.

Ukraine, which had hardened fortifications, a large trained military, and NATO / US / CIA support, has been pulverized. It's very sad.
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movielover said:

Cal88 said:

DiabloWags said:

"With each passing day, IRAN GROWS STRONGER"

- - - Douglas MacGregor




He's right. The Iranians have survived the decapitation strike, their people are united behind their government, and Israel is not stopping Iranian missiles, and are going to be naked soon as their AA missile stock is getting depleted. The Iranians have just rebuffed the EU negotiators who required them to abandon all enrichment activities, it indicates growing confidence.

Also, it's kind of funny you're hating on Macgregor given that his camp, which includes people like Tulsi, MTG, Carlson et al are doing their best to keep us out of a big new war, pushing back on the Hannitys, Grahams, Levins etc. If you really understood this and were capable of putting away your partisanship, you would acknowledge this.


The Intell Community is trying to oust Tulsi Gabbard, which would be a huge loss. She has protected President Trump's back from the IC trying to take him out.
Yet Trump repeatedly makes public statements that Tulsi is wrong about various policies.
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movielover said:

A podcast I listened to yesterday, possibly Jeffrey Sachs, made these new claims.

- Russia won't remove Zelensky, he is too useful now, with the attacks on the nuclear triad infrastructure, they will move this from a SMO to a CTO
- Russia is carefully tracing the control and command on this attack
- they believe that MI5 and CIA involved, triple checking
Last 2 true; not sure about Zelenskyy.
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Cal88 said:

^You can't change the mind of guys like Wags with facts like prisoner exchange ratios, because his opinions derive from his worldview, and you can't change his worldviews, which are deeply anchored in the Boomer experience. It is what it is.

Boomers gonna boom.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

movielover said:

Cal88 said:

DiabloWags said:

"With each passing day, IRAN GROWS STRONGER"

- - - Douglas MacGregor




He's right. The Iranians have survived the decapitation strike, their people are united behind their government, and Israel is not stopping Iranian missiles, and are going to be naked soon as their AA missile stock is getting depleted. The Iranians have just rebuffed the EU negotiators who required them to abandon all enrichment activities, it indicates growing confidence.

Also, it's kind of funny you're hating on Macgregor given that his camp, which includes people like Tulsi, MTG, Carlson et al are doing their best to keep us out of a big new war, pushing back on the Hannitys, Grahams, Levins etc. If you really understood this and were capable of putting away your partisanship, you would acknowledge this.


The Intell Community is trying to oust Tulsi Gabbard, which would be a huge loss. She has protected President Trump's back from the IC trying to take him out.
Yet Trump repeatedly makes public statements that Tulsi is wrong about various policies.
When Tulsi made her statement about Iran's nuclear program in March, and when she testified to the horrors of nuclear war recently, she was reflecting the assessments of the U.S. Intelligence services, of which she is the National Director. There was no evidence of any kind, reported by the intelligence services, that showed Iran having anything more than the 60% enriched uranium. To have a nuclear weapon, they would have to further enrich the uranium to weapons grade; and then design, develop, build, & test a nuclear warhead.

Trump simply got played by Bibi and the Neocons, many of whom are dual citizens. Netanyahu lied about Iran's nukes -- as he's been doing since 1995 -- and Trump bought it.
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Did you give Tulsi a "pass" when she perjured herself in front of Congress during her Signalgate testimony?

I dont recall you being upset about that.


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cbbass1 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

movielover said:

Cal88 said:

DiabloWags said:

"With each passing day, IRAN GROWS STRONGER"

- - - Douglas MacGregor




He's right. The Iranians have survived the decapitation strike, their people are united behind their government, and Israel is not stopping Iranian missiles, and are going to be naked soon as their AA missile stock is getting depleted. The Iranians have just rebuffed the EU negotiators who required them to abandon all enrichment activities, it indicates growing confidence.

Also, it's kind of funny you're hating on Macgregor given that his camp, which includes people like Tulsi, MTG, Carlson et al are doing their best to keep us out of a big new war, pushing back on the Hannitys, Grahams, Levins etc. If you really understood this and were capable of putting away your partisanship, you would acknowledge this.


The Intell Community is trying to oust Tulsi Gabbard, which would be a huge loss. She has protected President Trump's back from the IC trying to take him out.
Yet Trump repeatedly makes public statements that Tulsi is wrong about various policies.
When Tulsi made her statement about Iran's nuclear program in March, and when she testified to the horrors of nuclear war recently, she was reflecting the assessments of the U.S. Intelligence services, of which she is the National Director. There was no evidence of any kind, reported by the intelligence services, that showed Iran having anything more than the 60% enriched uranium. To have a nuclear weapon, they would have to further enrich the uranium to weapons grade; and then design, develop, build, & test a nuclear warhead.

Trump simply got played by Bibi and the Neocons, many of whom are dual citizens. Netanyahu lied about Iran's nukes -- as he's been doing since 1995 -- and Trump bought it.

The IAEA's last assessment of Iran's enriched uranium stockpile was on May 17, 2025, as reported in the "Verification and Monitoring in the Islamic Republic of Iran" document. It stated that Iran's total enriched uranium stockpile was enriched to 60% in the form of uranium hexafluoride. which is considered highly enriched uranium and closer to weapons-grade than lower enrichment levels (e.g., 3.5% for civilian reactors).
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cbbass1 said:

Cal88 said:

^You can't change the mind of guys like Wags with facts like prisoner exchange ratios, because his opinions derive from his worldview, and you can't change his worldviews, which are deeply anchored in the Boomer experience. It is what it is.

Boomers gonna boom.

I get the Boomer Envy, especially as it applies to "Late Boomers", but people should try to avoid having the envy cross the line to jealousy. It's just a bad look. I'd expound further, but some of us need to go out and spend what's left of the Social Security fund. Hmmm, which luxury cruise should I take next month? Hell, I don't even like cruises, but as a wise man once said, "Boomers gonna boom."
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DiabloWags said:

"With each passing day, IRAN GROWS STRONGER"

- - - Douglas MacGregor



Iran had over 100,000 missiles before all this started. They've hardly made a dent in their supply.

And they're making more every day -- all underground.

Tel Aviv was getting pounded with Iranian missiles, hitting IDF & Mossad installations & civilian infrastructure.

Israelis never thought that their safety would be threatened. Many are panicking.

On Saturday, the Mayor of Tel Aviv was calling for a cease-fire.

It was also widely known that the missile defenses were running out of interceptors.

The plea for Trump to launch the meaningless attack on the nuclear sites came from Netanyahu's desperation. Israeli society is close to collapse. The exits are closed. Israelis are not allowed to leave, so they can be human shields. IDF soldiers were taking refuge in Palestinian homes in the West Bank, safe from the Iranian missiles.

Iran has had the capacity to destroy Israel, many times over, for years. If you think that Iran would launch a nuclear first strike -- against international law -- as soon as they had the capability -- you're flat wrong. They know that IF they did that, they'd be vaporized.

IF Iran develops a nuclear weapon, they'll never use it -- unless they get nuked first. It's a deterrent, not a 1st-strike weapon.

There'll be regime change in Israel before there's regime change in Iran.
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Big C said:

cbbass1 said:

Cal88 said:

^You can't change the mind of guys like Wags with facts like prisoner exchange ratios, because his opinions derive from his worldview, and you can't change his worldviews, which are deeply anchored in the Boomer experience. It is what it is.

Boomers gonna boom.

I get the Boomer Envy, especially as it applies to "Late Boomers", but people should try to avoid having the envy cross the line to jealousy. It's just a bad look. I'd expound further, but some of us need to go out and spend what's left of the Social Security fund. Hmmm, which luxury cruise should I take next month? Hell, I don't even like cruises, but as a wise man once said, "Boomers gonna boom."
"Boomer Envy?" Hardly. I was born in the 50s.

I just can't stomach the corporate media lies & propaganda anymore.

I knew they were lying about Saddam's WMDs in 2003, and I know they lied about Iran's [nonexistent] nuclear weapons program now.

UNHINGED CNN, FOX War Propaganda After Iran Strikes

Israel & the "Israel First" NeoCons should know that you can't bomb your way to Peace.
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DiabloWags said:

Did you give Tulsi a "pass" when she perjured herself in front of Congress during her Signalgate testimony?

I dont recall you being upset about that.

Disappointed. Not upset.

I hope she resigns, but if she does, who's going to brief Trump?
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cbbass1 said:

DiabloWags said:

Did you give Tulsi a "pass" when she perjured herself in front of Congress during her Signalgate testimony?

I dont recall you being upset about that.

Disappointed. Not upset.

I hope she resigns, but if she does, who's going to brief Trump?

Crystal Ball and Saagar?
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movielover
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MacGregor also claims:
- shrinking population a big issue, esp as 2 million residents are Arab
- their economy in shambles

But last I read the daily missiles Iran fired were numerically less and less. Did it pick back up? Allegedly Iran fired older missiles first to expend Israel's defensive missiles. So some saw a real pounding coming from cruise missiles. Is it possible they overstated their stockpile, and burned through more via proxy groups?

He also says Russia moving on Kiev and Odessa (water access).
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cbbass1 said:

DiabloWags said:

Did you give Tulsi a "pass" when she perjured herself in front of Congress during her Signalgate testimony?

I dont recall you being upset about that.

Disappointed. Not upset.

I hope she resigns, but if she does, who's going to brief Trump?


Steve Bannon, Laura Loomer, and Tucker Carlson.
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cbbass1 said:

Cal88 said:

^You can't change the mind of guys like Wags with facts like prisoner exchange ratios, because his opinions derive from his worldview, and you can't change his worldviews, which are deeply anchored in the Boomer experience. It is what it is.

Boomers gonna boom.

Stupid silly comment.
People like Putin88 just can't accept that fact that Colonel Douglas MacGregor have been horribly WRONG.
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MacGregor seems anti Trump these days, maybe miffed he's missing the internal action.

IC trying to spin everything to their advantage, as well as remove Gabbard, who is mettling in their playground.

Eliminating Iran's immediate nuclear threat - takes Israel's "Iran has nukes!" card off the table, and the overall influence from Israel on President Trump's foreign policy objective is also reduced.

Don't forget - old hand Rubio's first move was to dissolve USAID (CIA).

CNN = State Dept. spin.

Washington Post = CIA spin.
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cbbass1 said:

Big C said:

cbbass1 said:

Cal88 said:

^You can't change the mind of guys like Wags with facts like prisoner exchange ratios, because his opinions derive from his worldview, and you can't change his worldviews, which are deeply anchored in the Boomer experience. It is what it is.

Boomers gonna boom.

I get the Boomer Envy, especially as it applies to "Late Boomers", but people should try to avoid having the envy cross the line to jealousy. It's just a bad look. I'd expound further, but some of us need to go out and spend what's left of the Social Security fund. Hmmm, which luxury cruise should I take next month? Hell, I don't even like cruises, but as a wise man once said, "Boomers gonna boom."
"Boomer Envy?" Hardly. I was born in the 50s.

I just can't stomach the corporate media lies & propaganda anymore.

I knew they were lying about Saddam's WMDs in 2003, and I know they lied about Iran's [nonexistent] nuclear weapons program now.

UNHINGED CNN, FOX War Propaganda After Iran Strikes

Israel & the "Israel First" NeoCons should know that you can't bomb your way to Peace.


Okay, Boomer! So, we have a Boomer and a Cusp Boomer talking trash about Boomers? Combine this with what Eastern Oregon Bear said about his OT Brethren on another forum and all I can say is...

Enough with the self-loathing!
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Big C said:

cbbass1 said:

Big C said:

cbbass1 said:

Cal88 said:

^You can't change the mind of guys like Wags with facts like prisoner exchange ratios, because his opinions derive from his worldview, and you can't change his worldviews, which are deeply anchored in the Boomer experience. It is what it is.

Boomers gonna boom.

I get the Boomer Envy, especially as it applies to "Late Boomers", but people should try to avoid having the envy cross the line to jealousy. It's just a bad look. I'd expound further, but some of us need to go out and spend what's left of the Social Security fund. Hmmm, which luxury cruise should I take next month? Hell, I don't even like cruises, but as a wise man once said, "Boomers gonna boom."
"Boomer Envy?" Hardly. I was born in the 50s.

I just can't stomach the corporate media lies & propaganda anymore.

I knew they were lying about Saddam's WMDs in 2003, and I know they lied about Iran's [nonexistent] nuclear weapons program now.

UNHINGED CNN, FOX War Propaganda After Iran Strikes

Israel & the "Israel First" NeoCons should know that you can't bomb your way to Peace.


Okay, Boomer! So, we have a Boomer and a Cusp Boomer talking trash about Boomers? Combine this with what Eastern Oregon Bear said about his OT Brethren on another forum and all I can say is...

Enough with the self-loathing!
I can't remember what I said. I'm so pathetic and worthless.
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movielover said:

MacGregor seems anti Trump these days, maybe miffed he's missing the internal action.


So you're no longer a fan?
Or still a fan?
Big C
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Big C said:

cbbass1 said:

Big C said:

cbbass1 said:

Cal88 said:

^You can't change the mind of guys like Wags with facts like prisoner exchange ratios, because his opinions derive from his worldview, and you can't change his worldviews, which are deeply anchored in the Boomer experience. It is what it is.

Boomers gonna boom.

I get the Boomer Envy, especially as it applies to "Late Boomers", but people should try to avoid having the envy cross the line to jealousy. It's just a bad look. I'd expound further, but some of us need to go out and spend what's left of the Social Security fund. Hmmm, which luxury cruise should I take next month? Hell, I don't even like cruises, but as a wise man once said, "Boomers gonna boom."
"Boomer Envy?" Hardly. I was born in the 50s.

I just can't stomach the corporate media lies & propaganda anymore.

I knew they were lying about Saddam's WMDs in 2003, and I know they lied about Iran's [nonexistent] nuclear weapons program now.

UNHINGED CNN, FOX War Propaganda After Iran Strikes

Israel & the "Israel First" NeoCons should know that you can't bomb your way to Peace.


Okay, Boomer! So, we have a Boomer and a Cusp Boomer talking trash about Boomers? Combine this with what Eastern Oregon Bear said about his OT Brethren on another forum and all I can say is...

Enough with the self-loathing!
I can't remember what I said. I'm so pathetic and worthless.

No, you are golden. Here's my thing: Sure, we are something of a motley crew on this forum, but if some "outsider" wants to take shots at us, I'm not going to just roll over. Take valued poster "Chapman" (somebody who I believe I am actually on good terms with), if he's going to venture over here and call us losers, I'll come back with "I'm rubber; you're glue, etc. etc... ". And if that fails, I'll give him a "Takes one to know one!"

We post here because we find some value in the conversations. Good for us! Look at valued poster "movielover": Is he a bot? Most likely. But he's our bot!

(I dunno if you said something about us as much as you agreed with somebody else who said something. You know, like it's a cesspool over here, or whatever.)
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DiabloWags said:

movielover said:

MacGregor seems anti Trump these days, maybe miffed he's missing the internal action.


So you're no longer a fan?
Or still a fan?



I evaluate what they say, Iran obviously suffered a huge setback, but they could still conceivably gain assistance from other nations or actors.
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