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As we hopefully inch toward some kind of peace agreement, it is worth recalling that Russia and Ukraine had reached a near agreement in Istanbul. That deal was destroyed by Western elites who told Ukraine to keep fighting and the result is that Ukraine now faces far worse terms: pic.twitter.com/fwP2GqK0N2

— Hans Mahncke (@HansMahncke) August 19, 2025

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I am very skeptical that Russia would give up Crimea now or at that time.

Hungarian Conservative: Russia Ukraine Peace Was Blocked By Western Powers, Former Israeli Prime Minister Claims

"Still according to Bennett, PM Johnson was the most adamant about taking aggressive action against Putin. Scholz and Macron were exploring more pragmatic options, while Biden was in support of both approaches. The talks between the two belligerent sides seemed to be making some headway, with both parties making concessions. Putin vowed not to have Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy killed and to not demand disarmament from Ukraine; Zelenskyy agreed to not pursue NATO membership for his country, which was Putin's primary contention.

"At the same time, Russian and Ukrainian officials were engaging in a negotiation of their own in Gomel, Belarus. So, there seemed to be a very real chance for making peace in Eastern Europe again. However, the major Western NATO powers ultimately decided to end At the same time, Russian and Ukrainian officials were engaging in a negotiation of their own in Gomel, Belarus. So, there seemed to be a very real chance for making peace in Eastern Europe again. However, the major Western NATO powers ultimately decided to end negotiations because they 'decided it was necessary to continue to smash Putin,' as the former Israeli Prime Minister put it in his explosive interview....

"...the same article claims that the peace talks were halted by an impromptu visit to Kyiv by Boris Johnson."

https://www.hungarianconservative.com/articles/current/russia_ukraine-peace_blocked_western_powers_naftali_bennett_mediationraeli-prime-minister-claims/

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movielover said:

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As we hopefully inch toward some kind of peace agreement, it is worth recalling that Russia and Ukraine had reached a near agreement in Istanbul. That deal was destroyed by Western elites who told Ukraine to keep fighting and the result is that Ukraine now faces far worse terms: pic.twitter.com/fwP2GqK0N2

— Hans Mahncke (@HansMahncke) August 19, 2025

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I am very skeptical that Russia would give up Crimea now or at that time.

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Since your comment started a new page, I'm reposting this so that Hans' bullsh@it doesn't appear on a page looking like it didn't get rebutted.

"While there were direct talks between Russia and Ukraine in Istanbul, including agreements on prisoner and war remains exchanges, they did not result in a ceasefire or a broader peace agreement. Both sides did agree to exchange 1,000 prisoners of war each, and to return the remains of 6,000 soldiers. However, negotiations on ending the war itself made little headway.

Key points about the Istanbul talks:
Prisoner and Remains Exchange:
A significant agreement was reached to exchange 1,000 prisoners of war from each side and return the remains of 6,000 soldiers.

No Ceasefire:
Despite discussions, a ceasefire agreement was not reached during the Istanbul talks.

Minimal Progress on Peace:
While the prisoner exchange was a positive step, little progress was made towards a broader resolution of the conflict.

Differing Expectations:
The talks were characterized by differing expectations and maximalist demands from both sides, particularly regarding Ukraine's potential neutrality and troop withdrawals."
AI Overview

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That is a gross mischaracterization. These AI capsules that you have been favoring lately are a compendium of MSM narratives, a lazy reach for confirmation bias. The Istanbul peace agreement was close to being signed. It was scuttled by NATO intervention, most notably Boris Johnson, working with the Kyiv nationalists.

The head of Zelensky's political party and head of delegation to Istanbul, Davyd Arakhamia, confirms that Boris Johnson came to Kiev to sabotage the peace agreement pic.twitter.com/9qBd5x0W5R

— Glenn Diesen (@Glenn_Diesen) May 15, 2025

That is a lie, we know that for a fact from the Istanbul negotiations that Boris Johnson sabotaged. At that time, Russia didn't demand any territory yet. It was always about NATO expansion. Russian war goals have only escalated afterwards.https://t.co/8xOBnvqLi7

— Hanjo Girke (@GirkeHanjo) July 22, 2025

^Nuland is gaslighting here, the Istanbul Peace Agreement restrictions on Ukrainian military deployments were a central part of the negotiation, not some buried annex.

"Certain lobbies" sabotaged Turkey's Istanbul initiatives to resolve the conflict in Ukraine, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said while in the US

"These forces did not want a peaceful resolution to the conflict" pic.twitter.com/2UrRzIWqnG

— Chay Bowes (@BowesChay) September 23, 2024

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Former Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett said in an interview posted to his YouTube channel on Saturday that the U.S. and its Western allies "blocked" his efforts of mediating between Russia and Ukraine to bring an end to the war in its early days.

On March 4, 2022, Bennett traveled to Russia to meet with President Vladimir Putin. In the interview, he detailed his mediation at the time between Putin and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, which he said he coordinated with the U.S., France, Germany, and the UK.

Bennett said that both sides agreed to major concessions during his mediation effort. For the Russian side, he said they dropped "denazification" as a requirement for a ceasefire. Bennett defined "denazification" as the removal of Zelensky. During his meeting in Moscow with Putin, Bennett said the Russian leader guaranteed that he wouldn't try to kill Zelensky.

The other concession Russia made, according to Bennett, is that it wouldn't seek the disarmament of Ukraine. For the Ukrainian side, Zelensky "renounced" that he would seek NATO membership, which Bennett said was the "reason" for Russia's invasion.

Reports at the time reflect Bennet's comments and said Russia and Ukraine were softening their positions. Citing Israeli officials, Axios reported on March 8 that Putin's "proposal is difficult for Zelensky to accept but not as extreme as they anticipated. They said the proposal doesn't include regime change in Kyiv and allows Ukraine to keep its sovereignty."

Discussing how Western leaders felt about his mediation efforts, Bennett said then-British Prime Minister Boris Johnson took an "aggressive line" while French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Olaf Scholz were more "pragmatic." Bennett said President Biden adopted "both" positions.

But ultimately, the Western leaders opposed Bennet's efforts. "I'll say this in the broad sense. I think there was a legitimate decision by the West to keep striking Putin and not [negotiate]," Bennett said.

When asked if the Western powers "blocked" the mediation efforts, Bennet said,

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Basically, yes. They blocked it, and I thought they were wrong.

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https://mronline.org/2023/02/07/former-israeli-pm-bennett-says-u-s-blocked-his-attempts-at-a-russia-ukraine-peace-deal/

This is why the East and South of Ukraine rebelled in 2014, and why the Donbas and Russia will never accept to be part of the current Ukrainian regime:

what a stupid country that is...
its whole "Nationality" was built on hating Russia.

🇺🇦 Ukrainian Women’s Premier League: Player Punished for Speaking Russian

In the Ukrainian Women’s Premier League, a player was shown a yellow card simply for speaking Russian on the field.… pic.twitter.com/hG1qhgyq04

— -- GEROMAN -- time will tell - 👀 -- (@GeromanAT) August 19, 2025

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Russia asked / demanded negotiations over NATO entering Ukraine 5, 6, 7 times. We stiffed him.

We put 12 secret CIA bases on his border, expelled his diplomats under false terms, and openly talk about breaking her apart to plunder her wealth.

You skipped over my specific demands that the EU pay a price for pushing the destruction of Ukraine while she sits back and does little.

Poland took in millions of Ukrainians, but is now fed up? The elite crooks of Ukraine allegedly travel around Europe spending in gaudy fashion, angering the locals.

You ignore Ukraine's corruption.

Putin won slowly but convincingly.

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Why do you seem so happy about this? Even if the US/Europe made all manner of mistakes as you claim, it is baffling you are "rootin for Putin". You display a lot more animosity to Ukraine and the USA than Putin.

🇷🇺🇺🇦 Russian drones struck the port infrastructure in Izmail on the Romanian border, causing fires, the local administration reported.

1/ pic.twitter.com/CJydVGGICi

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) August 20, 2025

Sick.

🇺🇦 Ukrainian kids play forcefully mobilization on the beach in Odessa

Kidnapping men is so normalized it’s insane pic.twitter.com/kF5ek8NmDY

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) August 20, 2025

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Russia asked / demanded negotiations over NATO entering Ukraine 5, 6, 7 times. We stiffed him.

We put 12 secret CIA bases on his border, expelled his diplomats under false terms, and openly talk about breaking her apart to plunder her wealth.

You skipped over my specific demands that the EU pay a price for pushing the destruction of Ukraine while she sits back and does little.

Poland took in millions of Ukrainians, but is now fed up? The elite crooks of Ukraine allegedly travel around Europe spending in gaudy fashion, angering the locals.

You ignore Ukraine's corruption.

Putin won slowly but convincingly.

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Why do you seem so happy about this? Even if the US/Europe made all manner of mistakes as you claim, it is baffling you are "rootin for Putin". You display a lot more animosity to Ukraine and the USA than Putin.

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IMO, "winning" for Putin would have been toppling Ukraine's government and installing a more compliant leader. That's why he sent soldiers straight to Kiev at first, and no I don't buy the bulls**t excuses the Russians came out with later about it being a "feint" or whatever. They wanted the capital.

Ukraine did well to take that off the table pretty quickly. Russia would be settling for just some territory in the east, as much as it sucks to reward Putin at all.

Poked the Bear for 30 years. FAFO.

We've been losing needless wars since Vietnam. Ridiculous.

Real Ukrainian losses confirmed, the numbers are the same as those leaked by analysts like Col. Macgregor: over 1.7 million KIA/MIAs.

🇷🇺⚔️🇺🇦 Ukraine’s Military Losses Exposed: 1.7 Million Dead and Missing

Russian hackers have reportedly breached the Ukrainian General Staff’s database, revealing catastrophic losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

According to the compromised digital registry, if the data is… pic.twitter.com/dq2G9QNYEv

— DD Geopolitics (@DD_Geopolitics) August 20, 2025

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According to the compromised digital registry, if the data is correct, Ukraine lost 1,721,000 troops killed or missing over three years of the conflict. The breakdown is:

118,500 in 2022
405,400 in 2023
595,000 in 2024
621,000 in 2025 the heaviest year yet

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The losses got gradually heavier because most of the Ukrainian soldiers in the last two years were forced conscripts with poor/very shot combat training, with a higher rate of desertion and early death on the front, and because of growing Ukrainian weapons shortages.

^^ Correction: shot --> short ^^

MacGregor also expands on the more recent heavy troop loss for Ukraine. This apparently also happened in WWII to the Germans as they collapsed, and other armies. Low on supplies, supply lines cut off, retreat, confusion, low morale, wounded not removed from the battlefield, etc.

At this rate, Ukraine could lose a million men this year.

Idiot MSNBC host now butt kissing Trump, trying to prolong the graft - $90 Billion - and bloodshed.

1. Ukraine's military is decimated
2. They're retreating
3. We don't have $90 Billion in military goods ready to send them, we're tapped out!

I did not expect this today.

Joe Scarborough just stunned MSNBC’s panel into silence as he shattered liberal orthodoxy, declaring that Trump “HOLDS THE CARDS” over Putin.

“There are a lot of people talking about who has cards, who’s not playing cards. I heard some people over… pic.twitter.com/juy9WZBbST

— The Vigilant Fox 🦊 (@VigilantFox) August 20, 2025

Warpigs won't step up.

JackPosobiec
BREAKING: FRANCE AND THE UK ARE WALKING BACK REPORTS THAT THEY WILL PROVIDE MILITARY FORCES FOR PEACEKEEPING IN UKRAINE

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movielover said:

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Russia asked / demanded negotiations over NATO entering Ukraine 5, 6, 7 times. We stiffed him.

We put 12 secret CIA bases on his border, expelled his diplomats under false terms, and openly talk about breaking her apart to plunder her wealth.

You skipped over my specific demands that the EU pay a price for pushing the destruction of Ukraine while she sits back and does little.

Poland took in millions of Ukrainians, but is now fed up? The elite crooks of Ukraine allegedly travel around Europe spending in gaudy fashion, angering the locals.

You ignore Ukraine's corruption.

Putin won slowly but convincingly.

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Why do you seem so happy about this? Even if the US/Europe made all manner of mistakes as you claim, it is baffling you are "rootin for Putin". You display a lot more animosity to Ukraine and the USA than Putin.

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IMO, "winning" for Putin would have been toppling Ukraine's government and installing a more compliant leader. That's why he sent soldiers straight to Kiev at first, and no I don't buy the bulls**t excuses the Russians came out with later about it being a "feint" or whatever. They wanted the capital.

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You're basically right about this, Putin put together a large-scale offensive with the goal of regime change in Kiev. He didn't necessarily want a puppet regime, and would have been satisfied with a neutral government along the lines of post-war Austria or Finland that didn't regard the Russians as enemies and did not mistreat its large Russian minority.

The Banderist ideology with which the post-Maidan regime has been built is fundamentally flawed, that is a point you guys have never really acknowledged. You cannot have a government that considers SS leaders like Bandera as founding fathers.


map of the monuments, busts, plaques, and museums to Bandera

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-map-of-the-monuments-busts-plaques-and-museums-to-Bandera-Source-Designed-by-O_fig1_265341805

There was no way in the world that eastern and southern Ukrainians, whose grandparents fought the nazis in WW2 and suffered great losses, were ever going to put up with that kind of ideology, which treated them as hostile foreigners in their own country.

While monuments all across western Ukraine were being erected since 2014 glorifying Ukrainian WW2 nazis, WW2 monuments in memory of fallen local Soviet soldiers in eastern Ukraine were defaced, removed and WW2 veterans and their descendants were forbidden to hold ceremonies there... Casus belli

What you also miss is that this extremist naionalist ideology had been carefully cultivated in Ukraine by the US and NATO since the 1950s, culminating in the Maidan project of 2014.

🇺🇦The last statues in honor of Soviet soldiers’ (soldiers of all nationalities lived in the USSR) died in the WWII were destroyed in Ukraine 🤦‍♂️. Memory of Ukrainian soldiers fighting the nazis now erased & instead statues of Bandera & Shuchevich, Hitler collaborators are erected. pic.twitter.com/hSfL7HZjMf

— Roberto (@UniqueMongolia) April 26, 2024

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The Banderist ideology with which the post-Maidan regime has been built is fundamentally flawed, that is a point you guys have never really acknowledged. You cannot have a government that considers SS leaders like Bandera as founding fathers.

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I'm sure such elements exist in Ukraine, but I don't buy that Nazism is a particularly significant piece of Ukrainian politics or government (as the Russian propagandists would like to claim) in the modern day. The first reason I don't buy it is that they elected a Jewish president.

Not interested in discussing this further, as I consider it a deflection from the core issues of the war.

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The Banderist ideology with which the post-Maidan regime has been built is fundamentally flawed, that is a point you guys have never really acknowledged. You cannot have a government that considers SS leaders like Bandera as founding fathers.

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I'm sure such elements exist in Ukraine, but I don't buy that Nazism is a particularly significant piece of Ukrainian politics or government (as the Russian propagandists would like to claim) in the modern day. The first reason I don't buy it is that they elected a Jewish president.

Not interested in discussing this further, as I consider it a deflection from the core issues of the war.

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It certainly is one of the core issues.

Several major thoroughfares across western and central Ukraine being renamed after Bandera, large statues in main city squares - those facts are not the reflection of a marginal movement.

Jewish oligarchs like Taruta or Kolomoyski, the figure who launched Zelensky's political career, actively funded far right militias. They toned down the antisemitism and ramped up the anti-Russian message. These militias provided the muscle to protect the oligarchs' interests, and militia leaders who were former soccer hooligans became millionaires.

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Before becoming part of Ukraine's armed forces, who funded Azov?

The unit received backing from Ukraine's interior minister in 2014, as the government had recognised its own military was too weak to fight off the pro-Russian separatists and relied on paramilitary volunteer forces.

These forces were privately funded by oligarchs the most known being Igor Kolomoisky, an energy magnate billionaire and then-governor of the Dnipropetrovska region.

In addition to Azov, Kolomoisky funded other volunteer battalions such as the Dnipro 1 and Dnipro 2, Aidar and Donbas units.

Azov received early funding and assistance from another oligarch: Serhiy Taruta, the billionaire governor of Donetsk region.

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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/1/who-are-the-azov-regiment

Our media has been obsessed by racism, and alleged racism, for decades. But then a pivotal racist group is partly funded by our government, follows a historic Nazi leader, and the story isn't exposed?

Because international reporters are that weak, and / or the CIA sidetracked them or buys them off / threatens them?

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There are hundreds of videos online showing Ukrainians being kidnapped off the street for warfare. Millions have fled. I've met three Ukranian couples here, men of fighting age, we know why they're here, I never bring it up.

Just tonight a new podcaster to me said Ukraine is enlisting 16-year-old boys, and training 14 year olds. Disgusting.

What is your source for one million dead Russians?

Ukraine doesn't have enough airpower, artillery, ammo, or manpower to enact that kind of damage, especially since Russia has defensive air systems and are now employing a 3 / 6 / 6 (??) attack deployment with drones, after artillery, to further limit casualties. If they happen to stumble into a hornets nest after repeated air bombardment and multiple drones, only 3 men are at risk of death.

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the BI warfare experts with degrees (or none) in poli sci and undoubtedly zero military experience on this board is impressive. Most of it garnered thru memes and hot takes and playing Stratego……case in point in bolstering an argument you get "a podcaster to me said"….followed by "what is your source for 1m dead Russians"? LMAO.

Let's face it, this is a quid pro quo as Trump seeks to capture Geeenland

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WELCOME TO THE DUMBEST BLOG AT THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA.

PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE IQ OF A QUAIL.

WE SHOULD ALL BE VERY PROUD!

GO BEARS!

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Please stop SHOUTING about yourself so much. Nobody cares what you think of yourself.

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movielover said:

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There are hundreds of videos online showing Ukrainians being kidnapped off the street for warfare. Millions have fled. I've met three Ukranian couples here, men of fighting age, we know why they're here, I never bring it up.

Just tonight a new podcaster to me said Ukraine is enlisting 16-year-old boys, and training 14 year olds. Disgusting.

What is your source for one million dead Russians?

Ukraine doesn't have enough airpower, artillery, ammo, or manpower to enact that kind of damage, especially since Russia has defensive air systems and are now employing a 3 / 6 / 6 (??) attack deployment with drones, after artillery, to further limit casualties. If they happen to stumble into a hornets nest after repeated air bombardment and multiple drones, only 3 men are at risk of death.

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the BI warfare experts with degrees (or none) in poli sci and undoubtedly zero military experience on this board is impressive. Most of it garnered thru memes and hot takes and playing Stratego……case in point in bolstering an argument you get "a podcaster to me said"….followed by "what is your source for 1m dead Russians"? LMAO.

Let's face it, this is a quid pro quo as Trump seeks to capture Geeenland

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WELCOME TO THE DUMBEST BLOG AT THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA.

PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE IQ OF A QUAIL.

WE SHOULD ALL BE VERY PROUD!

GO BEARS!

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Please stop SHOUTING about yourself so much. Nobody cares what you think of yourself.

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Ironically enough, these rants about the presumed ignorance of Ukraine war skeptics on this board happened on the day that what ML and yours truly have been vindicated about the most important aspect of this war, the true extent of Ukrainian losses: 1,720,000 killed or missing in action, a number we have kept stating.

Zelensky's official count is 45,000 KIAs, this shows the magnitude of the lies that have kept this bloodbath going.

DiabloWags said:

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"I can end that war before I become President"

"I can do a deal to end that war in 24 hours"

MAGA MORONS like our MASCOT.

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Even demented folks should at least appreciate that Trump is bringing us close to peace, right? Biden's administration seemed to scuttle peace deals in efforts to weaken Russia and enrich themselves.

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There are hundreds of videos online showing Ukrainians being kidnapped off the street for warfare. Millions have fled. I've met three Ukranian couples here, men of fighting age, we know why they're here, I never bring it up.

Just tonight a new podcaster to me said Ukraine is enlisting 16-year-old boys, and training 14 year olds. Disgusting.

What is your source for one million dead Russians?

Ukraine doesn't have enough airpower, artillery, ammo, or manpower to enact that kind of damage, especially since Russia has defensive air systems and are now employing a 3 / 6 / 6 (??) attack deployment with drones, after artillery, to further limit casualties. If they happen to stumble into a hornets nest after repeated air bombardment and multiple drones, only 3 men are at risk of death.

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the BI warfare experts with degrees (or none) in poli sci and undoubtedly zero military experience on this board is impressive. Most of it garnered thru memes and hot takes and playing Stratego……case in point in bolstering an argument you get "a podcaster to me said"….followed by "what is your source for 1m dead Russians"? LMAO.

Let's face it, this is a quid pro quo as Trump seeks to capture Geeenland

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WELCOME TO THE DUMBEST BLOG AT THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA.

PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE IQ OF A QUAIL.

WE SHOULD ALL BE VERY PROUD!

GO BEARS!

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Please stop SHOUTING about yourself so much. Nobody cares what you think of yourself.

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Ironically enough, these rants about the presumed ignorance of Ukraine war skeptics on this board happened on the day that what ML and yours truly have been vindicated about the most important aspect of this war, the true extent of Ukrainian losses: 1,720,000 killed or missing in action, a number we have kept stating.

Zelensky's official count is 45,000 KIAs, this shows the magnitude of the lies that have kept this bloodbath going.

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PittsburgWags typical response when proven wrong: change the topic.

FTR, I don't "cheer" against Ukraine, I'm looking at reality as best as I can ascertain. President Trump inherited a dumpster fire, and I believe is the only major figure pushing for peace. NATO wants war, the EU oddly wants war, the neocon warpigs want war, the TDS Trump Haters like Pittsburg Wags want war, Democrats want Trump to fail = want war, the MIC wants war, China probably wants war as it weakens us (some say they fear they're next in line for attack by the MIC Blob).

I'll consider any rational facts or concepts. MacGregor claims Trump has few advisors in the WH who share his gut anti-war stance (which many like). (I'm unsure about NSA Kellogg.) Russia is winning decisively now, why should they stop, especially w Zelensky in control. Some allege once they get past the current well-fortified positions, they can gobble up much larger geography. Our CIA and NATO may have permanently wrecked Ukraine. (Their deep corruption doesn't help.)

I read today that our client states France and UK have backed out of being part of a proposed military defense (security guarantee) of Ukraine. All talk, no mettle.

pic.twitter.com/hHf9ahXnbl

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) August 21, 2025

🇺🇸🇷🇺🇺🇦 US reconnaissance planes are flying a round Crimea again.

The fuel train in Crimea was already attacked, and we’ll see more attacks soon.

These aircraft are a precursor to missile and drone attacks. pic.twitter.com/CsCCIC09c5

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) August 21, 2025

Hot coffee beans?

🇺🇸🇺🇦🇷🇺 The US funded "Flex" plant in Mukachevo, destroyed last night by Russians, is still burning.

The fire at the plant is not subsiding and may burn until night.

Why is a “coffee machine” factory burning so long and can’t be put out?

1/ pic.twitter.com/2UNbkW1q3q

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) August 21, 2025