The Official Russian Invasion of Ukraine Thread

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BearGoggles said:

movielover said:

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movielover said:

There are hundreds of videos online showing Ukrainians being kidnapped off the street for warfare. Millions have fled. I've met three Ukranian couples here, men of fighting age, we knojackets,
ey're here, I never bring it up.

Just tonight a new podcaster to me said Ukraine is enlisting 16-year-old boys, and training 14 year olds. Disgusting.

What is your source for one million dead Russians?


Ukraine doesn't have enough airpower, artillery, ammo, or manpower to enact that kind of damage, especially since Russia has defensive air systems and are now employing a 3 / 6 / 6 (??) attack deployment with drones, after artillery, to further limit casualties. If they happen to stumble into a hornets nest after repeated air bombardment and multiple drones, only 3 men are at risk of death.


I ask again, why does the bolded matter?

Answer: these items reveal Ukraine doesn't have the manpower to fight the war.

A few simple questions for you - If I gave you a magic wand and you could produce whatever result you wanted from this war:

1. Who do you want to win - Russia or Ukraine? Who would surrender?

A: Split decision based on Reality: Crimea, 2-4 oblasts to Russia; while Ukraine gets to keep the natural defensive positions, and fortifications they've made. Possibly include a no go zone. UKR saves Odessa. AZOV battalions gets shipped off to Serbia. Entice UKR abroad to come back, with incentives. Townhouse type accommodations for having 2 babies in 5 years; bigger, nicer accommodations for 3, 4 new children. Maybe Russia pitches in to help rebuild territories.

Then again w a magic wand, I'd go back to 2020 - and stop UKR from entertaining NATO. Set up a DMZ, and UKR neutrality. Stop all child traffickers and abusers, and ship them to Serbia w the baddest AZOV members. Share cells, no cameras.

2. Would you restore all territory taken by Russia since the beginning of the war to Ukraine, or would you allow Russia to keep some or all of it?

A. Some of it. See above.

3. Would you leave Putin in power or remove him and replace him with a pro-western leader?

A: Putin won, we FA and FO. Putin is pro-western. Those next in line allegedly much worse (militant).

With my wand I would also remove 90% of UKR corruption, heavily promote marriage and child birth to help rebuild UKR, and confiscate ill-gotten wealth from Z and his top thieves. Restore free elections, and kick out the CIA / State Department.

With my wand, I would require all of the military medical doctors from western Europe into Ukraine to provide survivors w solid medical care, and force the same countries to supply massive numbers of doctors trained in (fake) limb replacement. Start a UKR match making service.

Send 50% of American troops home from European bases. Maybe make Ukraine an immediate supplier of ammo and weapons to Europe and USA. (No longer corrupt.) Provide visas to native Western European men to help the provide marriage material for single Ukranian women.





Thank you for answering. The most interesting thing to me is that with the imaginary wand, you're more than happy to reward Putin even if that works against USA/NATO/Ukrainian interests. You seem far more concerned about perceived flaws in Ukrainian governance/society than the corresponding issues in Russia. You offer not a single suggestion for reforming Russia and its failed democracy/economy. I think that's odd (and in my opinion wrong), but I do appreciate your setting forth your views for all to see.


My answers to your magic wand question are pretty similar to ML's.

The problem with your perspective is that it really boils down to misplaced empathy for Ukraine. Ukraine was pushed into a war it never had a chance to win, and paid a tremendous cost for that, 1,721,000 million KIA/MIAs and counting. This was done for cynical geopolitical reasons, in order to weaken Russia.

Tens of thousands of Ukrainian men of all ages, men up to their 70s, captured by press gang thugs off the street against their will, put in special holding cells then shipped to the front guarded in military vehicles, then monitored by enforcers who will shoot them in the back if they try to desert. On the front a lot of the older conscripted men are dying from heart attacks.






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movielover said:

Hot coffee beans?


thanks for the war "analyses" General Patton
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