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hanky1 said:

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The extreme antibody reaction from those who fear free speech says it all

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) April 26, 2022

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FYI: We’re blocked by Elon Musk.

So much for being “committed” to free speech. pic.twitter.com/iXsMQYq8v0

— Public Citizen (@Public_Citizen) April 26, 2022

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You do know everybody has the ability to block somebody. That doesn't = censorship. Being unable to use the town square is censorship. See the difference? Of course you don't.

MinotStateBeav said:

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You do know everybody has the ability to block somebody. That doesn't = censorship. Being unable to use the town square is censorship. See the difference? Of course you don't.

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I know that you dont value my opinion.
But I would agree with you.

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dajo9 said:

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hanky1 said:

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The extreme antibody reaction from those who fear free speech says it all

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) April 26, 2022

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FYI: We’re blocked by Elon Musk.

So much for being “committed” to free speech. pic.twitter.com/iXsMQYq8v0

— Public Citizen (@Public_Citizen) April 26, 2022

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You do know everybody has the ability to block somebody. That doesn't = censorship. Being unable to use the town square is censorship. See the difference? Of course you don't.

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You do know that Twitter is a private company and can exclude people who don't abide by the terms of service? Same as a thin skinned individual can block people who say things that make him unhappy.

Neither is a 1st amendment issue. You do understand that, right? When Elon Musk says free speech he can't be talking about the 1st amendment. He's talking about free speech among private actors. He reveals himself to be against free speech in his communications by blocking people. No different from Twitter blocking Trump.

Calling Twitter the "town square" is the funniest thing here. Something like 20% of Americans are on Twitter at all, and something like 10% of that group generates almost all the content. Twitter is a highly self-selected group of educated, politically-active people. It's not the town square.

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MinotStateBeav said:

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dajo9 said:

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hanky1 said:

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The extreme antibody reaction from those who fear free speech says it all

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) April 26, 2022

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FYI: We’re blocked by Elon Musk.

So much for being “committed” to free speech. pic.twitter.com/iXsMQYq8v0

— Public Citizen (@Public_Citizen) April 26, 2022

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You do know everybody has the ability to block somebody. That doesn't = censorship. Being unable to use the town square is censorship. See the difference? Of course you don't.

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You do know that Twitter is a private company and can exclude people who don't abide by the terms of service? Same as a thin skinned individual can block people who say things that make him unhappy.

Neither is a 1st amendment issue. You do understand that, right? When Elon Musk says free speech he can't be talking about the 1st amendment. He's talking about free speech among private actors. He reveals himself to be against free speech in his communications by blocking people. No different from Twitter blocking Trump.

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There's a thread for that

Excellent question! Professor Nyhan has forgotten more about these topics than I will ever know, but I will do my best as an amateur and citizen to respond. https://t.co/SPCA3lDFl3

— Marc Andreessen (@pmarca) April 27, 2022

Libs can start their own social media company if they want more censorship.

BearForce2 said:

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Libs can start their own social media company if they want more censorship.

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I'm really not worried about it. If Musk allows twitter to become a cesspool of conspiracies and lies (like this board), the market will speak for itself (like the market has spoken on this board, and only a few of us idiots are here). If he succeeds in eliminating the bots as he says is a goal of his, then twitter could be a much better place.

But Musk is a hypocrite to say he wants free speech in the private sector only to block people who speak against him.

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BearForce2 said:

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Libs can start their own social media company if they want more censorship.

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I'm really not worried about it. If Musk allows twitter to become a cesspool of conspiracies and lies (like this board), the market will speak for itself (like the market has spoken on this board, and only a few of us idiots are here). If he succeeds in eliminating the bots as he says is a goal of his, then twitter could be a much better place.

But Musk is a hypocrite to say he wants free speech in the private sector only to block people who speak against him.

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Meet your new head of the Homeland Security Disinformation Governance Board, America pic.twitter.com/l1s9BtJ6DO

— Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) April 27, 2022

No. This is hypocrisy.

BREAKING: Biden Admin Department of Homeland Security to create a 'Disinformation Governance Board' dedicated to 'countering misinformation'

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Libs can start their own social media company if they want more censorship.

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I'm really not worried about it. If Musk allows twitter to become a cesspool of conspiracies and lies (like this board), the market will speak for itself (like the market has spoken on this board, and only a few of us idiots are here). If he succeeds in eliminating the bots as he says is a goal of his, then twitter could be a much better place.

But Musk is a hypocrite to say he wants free speech in the private sector only to block people who speak against him.

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I'm no big fan of Megan McArdle, but I think she makes a good point here:

He can certainly order people to take the heavy hands off the ban-hammer, but day in and day out, it is still lower level employees who will be making the ban decisions, because no one wants an actually unmoderated platform full of spam and child porn.

— Megan McArdle (@asymmetricinfo) April 25, 2022

Twitter wouldn't ever want to go to a fully unmoderated system, because it would drive away the high-engagement users that can help make them money. There will still be Terms of Service, as with any privately-owned platform. If you accept that, then at that point you're just arguing about what the terms should be and how much they should be enforced. I'm not sure Musk has actually thought all of this through. It's easy to snipe from the sidelines, not so easy when you put yourself in charge.

People who hate Musk deactivating accounts, people who love Musk reactivating/making new accounts. https://t.co/T2CF1GZ7kt

— Alice is on a roll (@AliceFromQueens) April 27, 2022

The expectation of change is yet another tribal cargo cult.

🚀💫♥️ Yesss!!! ♥️💫🚀 pic.twitter.com/0T9HzUHuh6

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) April 25, 2022

Open source algorithms, edit button, identity authentication

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Calling Twitter the "town square" is the funniest thing here. Something like 20% of Americans are on Twitter at all, and something like 10% of that group generates almost all the content. Twitter is a highly self-selected group of educated, politically-active people. It's not the town square.

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With all due respect, I dont think Minot State Beav was using the phrase "town square" in the way in which you are. Your characterization is specific to the size of its addressable market. MSB was simply talking about having access to the platform (ie. the town square) and the user feature to block somebody.

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Twitter wouldn't ever want to go to a fully unmoderated system, because it would drive away the high-engagement users that can help make them money. There will still be Terms of Service, as with any privately-owned platform. If you accept that, then at that point you're just arguing about what the terms should be and how much they should be enforced. I'm not sure Musk has actually thought all of this through. It's easy to snipe from the sidelines, not so easy when you put yourself in charge.

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I would tend to agree with this.
Moreover, not only would a totally unmoderated platform drive away the high-engagement users, it would also drive away potential advertisers who dont want to be associated with a "cesspool".

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Calling Twitter the "town square" is the funniest thing here. Something like 20% of Americans are on Twitter at all, and something like 10% of that group generates almost all the content. Twitter is a highly self-selected group of educated, politically-active people. It's not the town square.

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With all due respect, I dont think Minot State Beav was using the phrase "town square" in the way in which you are. Your characterization is specific to the size of its addressable market. MSB was simply talking about having access to the platform (ie. the town square) and the user feature to block somebody.

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I'm pretty sure Elon Musk has referred to Twitter as a "town square" in the way I describe, though.

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Twitter wouldn't ever want to go to a fully unmoderated system, because it would drive away the high-engagement users that can help make them money. There will still be Terms of Service, as with any privately-owned platform. If you accept that, then at that point you're just arguing about what the terms should be and how much they should be enforced. I'm not sure Musk has actually thought all of this through. It's easy to snipe from the sidelines, not so easy when you put yourself in charge.

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I would tend to agree with this.
Moreover, not only would a totally unmoderated platform drive away the high-engagement users, it would also drive away potential advertisers who dont want to be associated with a "cesspool".

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Twitter and BI OT are moderated cesspools.

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Twitter and BI OT are moderated cesspools.

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THAT'S HILARIOUS!

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BearForce2 said:

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Libs can start their own social media company if they want more censorship.

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I'm really not worried about it. If Musk allows twitter to become a cesspool of conspiracies and lies (like this board), the market will speak for itself (like the market has spoken on this board, and only a few of us idiots are here). If he succeeds in eliminating the bots as he says is a goal of his, then twitter could be a much better place.

But Musk is a hypocrite to say he wants free speech in the private sector only to block people who speak against him.

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Meet your new head of the Homeland Security Disinformation Governance Board, America pic.twitter.com/l1s9BtJ6DO

— Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) April 27, 2022

No. This is hypocrisy.

BREAKING: Biden Admin Department of Homeland Security to create a 'Disinformation Governance Board' dedicated to 'countering misinformation'

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Nina Jankowiczs is part of Spygate and testified before congress on Russian Election Interference. You remember, the garbage evidence?

There she referenced an article she wrote for the Alliance For Securing Democracy created to push Trump Russia.https://t.co/tm8DRIOhSs pic.twitter.com/DQxefdFish

— Bad Kitty For Congress 😼🌹 (@pepesgrandma) April 27, 2022

dajo9 said:

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hanky1 said:

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The extreme antibody reaction from those who fear free speech says it all

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) April 26, 2022

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FYI: We’re blocked by Elon Musk.

So much for being “committed” to free speech. pic.twitter.com/iXsMQYq8v0

— Public Citizen (@Public_Citizen) April 26, 2022

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That's unpossible. He wants his critics on twitter!

I hope that even my worst critics remain on Twitter, because that is what free speech means

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) April 25, 2022

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So he made over $12 billion dollars on $143 million dollars and you make him out to be a great humanitarian and he should pay no taxes like average citizens because he is such an innovator and risk taker.

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You're so pathetically lost, its not even funny.
You're reading comprehension is equally pathetic.

I never posted that Musk "should pay no taxes".
In fact, quite the contrary. He paid over $11 Billion in taxes. A FACT that you conveniently ignore.

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Thanks Diablo. Was thinking the same but you beat me to it.

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dajo9 said:

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hanky1 said:

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The extreme antibody reaction from those who fear free speech says it all

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) April 26, 2022

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FYI: We’re blocked by Elon Musk.

So much for being “committed” to free speech. pic.twitter.com/iXsMQYq8v0

— Public Citizen (@Public_Citizen) April 26, 2022

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That's unpossible. He wants his critics on twitter!

I hope that even my worst critics remain on Twitter, because that is what free speech means

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) April 25, 2022

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I've had enough of his hypocrisy. I've blocked him.

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So he made over $12 billion dollars on $143 million dollars and you make him out to be a great humanitarian and he should pay no taxes like average citizens because he is such an innovator and risk taker.

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You're so pathetically lost, its not even funny.
You're reading comprehension is equally pathetic.

I never posted that Musk "should pay no taxes".
In fact, quite the contrary. He paid over $11 Billion in taxes. A FACT that you conveniently ignore.

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Thanks Diablo. Was thinking the same but you beat me to it.

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Yup, to claim that Musk didnt pay taxes like the average American is a terribly stupid statement.

Never mind that his stock options would have been largely worth ZERO had Musk not been able to achieve a set of milestone's that the Tesla compensation committee set forth back in 2012.

Musk paid the 20% long term capital gains tax plus the 3.8% ACA (Obamacare) surcharge just like any of us average Americans would have on a long-term gain in an equity investment. Had Musk continued to reside in California, he would have also paid another 13.3% in state income tax, just like any Californian would have. But he sold off all of his real estate here and moved to Texas where there is no state income tax.

I dont know what Cal Poly does for a living, but I hope he pays a tax accountant to do his taxes.

(Recorded at the Tesla Texas Gigafactory on April 6, 2022)



What's on Elon Musk's mind? In this exclusive conversation with head of TED Chris Anderson, Musk details how the radical new innovations he's working on -- Tesla's intelligent humanoid robot Optimus, SpaceX's otherworldly Starship and Neuralink's brain-machine interfaces, among others -- could help maximize the lifespan of humanity and create a world where goods and services are abundant and accessible for all. It's a compelling vision of a future worth getting excited about.


Just over a week after the above interview was filmed, Elon Musk joined TED2022 for another (live) conversation, where he discussed his bid to purchase Twitter, the biggest regret of his career, how his brain works and more. Watch that conversation here:

I'd love to hear Musk discuss the insanities of the GOP.
He's incredible intelligent and future-focused.
The big uproar over him lately is entirely about his apparent lack of passion against what the GOP is trying to do.

HAS ANYONE ASKED HIM????

I think both the left and the right get Musk wrong.

"We have a two-party system, which generally means that issues get assigned in a semi-random manner into one bucket or the other, and then you're forced to pick one bucket," Musk said during the 2021 interview. "Or like there's two punchbowls, and they both have turds in it, and which one has the least amount of turds? So I don't agree with, necessarily, what either party does."

Musk has to be highly focused given how spread thin he is.
Politics is most likely something that he views as a distraction.

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I'd love to hear Musk discuss the insanities of the GOP.
He's incredible intelligent and future-focused.
The big uproar over him lately is entirely about his apparent lack of passion against what the GOP is trying to do.

HAS ANYONE ASKED HIM????

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Roger Stone just tried to come back to Twitter and got RE-BANNED.
lol

Roger Stone Tries to Come Back to Twitter, Is Immediately Re-Banned (yahoo.com)

Conservative means status quo.
Liberal means change.

If you apply those generally accepted definitions to his graphic, then … well, I was going to say that I guess he likes slavery and segregation and … but, no, his picture only goes back to 2008.

So, let's look at what "change" "the left" has sought since then:

1) 2008. Occupy Wall Street.
mortgage meltdown period: it is evident to me that a very significant factor was how firms like Merrill asked the credit rating agencies to repackage (slice and dice, mix regionally) crap mortgages into A graded products which got pushed across the globe. New mortgage approvals went wild as home ownership over-expanded. The bubble burst and none of the bankers who created the problem were held responsible.
As a Wall Street employee, I think a lot of their statements were garbage. But the crux of the complaint as I just explained was/is valid. While both conservatives and liberals suffered, it seems that the "right" doesn't like sit-ins, and so the movement to illuminate the crime was seen by them as radical leftist. Strange, considering Jan 6.

2) 2013 - present. Black Lives Matter
Cell phone and cop body and car camera proliferation has shown ALL of America how blacks are often treated, stuff they've known since America's founding.
Change here seems valid!

3. 2016 - present. Trumpism.
Chronic liar, racist, misogynist, propagandist, nasty person. The "left" rebelled. But, here, was it the left that had moved from the center, or the right?
No doubt in my mind that here, it was the GOP which "changed" from the status quo.

4. Jan 6 2021 Capitol Riots and subsequent denial of reality.
Again, it's the right which has gone off a cliff, not the left.



In other words, Musk's graphic is BS, and that's what's scary about him.

dajo9 said:

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dajo9 said:

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hanky1 said:

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The extreme antibody reaction from those who fear free speech says it all

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) April 26, 2022

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FYI: We’re blocked by Elon Musk.

So much for being “committed” to free speech. pic.twitter.com/iXsMQYq8v0

— Public Citizen (@Public_Citizen) April 26, 2022

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That's unpossible. He wants his critics on twitter!

I hope that even my worst critics remain on Twitter, because that is what free speech means

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) April 25, 2022

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I've had enough of his hypocrisy. I've blocked him.

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pic.twitter.com/7Je6hk1i4J

— The Right To Bear Memes (@grandoldmemes) April 26, 2022

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In other words, Musk's graphic is BS, and that's what's scary about him.

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I could be wrong, but I think he has a lot more on his mind right now than politics.

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dajo9 said:

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The extreme antibody reaction from those who fear free speech says it all

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) April 26, 2022

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FYI: We’re blocked by Elon Musk.

So much for being “committed” to free speech. pic.twitter.com/iXsMQYq8v0

— Public Citizen (@Public_Citizen) April 26, 2022

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That's unpossible. He wants his critics on twitter!

I hope that even my worst critics remain on Twitter, because that is what free speech means

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) April 25, 2022

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I've had enough of his hypocrisy. I've blocked him.

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pic.twitter.com/7Je6hk1i4J

— The Right To Bear Memes (@grandoldmemes) April 26, 2022

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I don't think anyone at Twitter will miss you when you deactivate

"We have a two-party system, which generally means that issues get assigned in a semi-random manner into one bucket or the other, and then you're forced to pick one bucket," Musk said during the 2021 interview. "Or like there's two punchbowls, and they both have turds in it, and which one has the least amount of turds? So I don't agree with, necessarily, what either party does."

been my view for a long time, I usually choose to pick neither turd and just go my own way ..

not new, back in my youth kind of went with this

"What a field-day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly say, hooray for our side

Hooray for our side .. who cares if it is correct or not, but it is my side ?

Elon Musk will be the most indebted CEO in America if the Twitter deal goes through https://t.co/PXfJfJ2wGQ

— CNBC (@CNBC) April 28, 2022

Not a surprise if anyone has been paying attention to the Twitter deal.

It's been well discussed here that he needs to raise cash and his TSLA shares will be used by Wall Street Investment Banks as collateral for the loans to secure taking TWTR private.

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Not a surprise if anyone has been paying attention to the Twitter deal.

It's been well discussed here that he needs to raise cash and his TSLA shares will be used by Wall Street Investment Banks as collateral for the loans to secure taking TWTR private.

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And so if all the other car makers, which have only just now jumped in to EVs, tackle his (future predicted) market share, he'll have his own squeeze going on.
Leverage!

I recently saw that Tesla market cap is as big as the other 10 largest vehicle manufacturers globally?
Omg, recipe to get crushed.