I told you Ms. Markle is the only one of the lot I respect because she is self made and has a facility for long range business planning.

In the absence of their Royals gig, the rest of them would barely qualify as greeters and hostesses at a Medieval Times Dinner & Tournament.

tequila4kapp said:

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I'm way too American to really care about or perhaps even understand the Monarchy. All I know is I really really dislike MM and that I also find KM quite attractive, and that of course has nothing to do with royalty.

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I also don't really understand Americans who are interested in the Royal Family. As I always say, didn't we fight a war to be rid of these people?

*Fox News, a pod of rocket scientists. Not one viewer spotted it.

concordtom said:

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bearister said:

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Oh Hell yes Kate chased slack jawed Prince Billy because of his Royal status and his tentacles to the $34B fortune.
You think he gets her if he is hawking policies at Lloyd's of London?

She wanna be a queen too.

Kate Middleton Was "Strategic" in Her Pursuit of Prince William


https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/celebs/a34680377/kate-middleton-strategic-pursuit-prince-william/


….and her ambitious mummy always had a plan for her little princess in waiting.

Reasons Kate Middleton Was Destined to Be Royalty | CafeMom.com


https://cafemom.com/entertainment/208847-kate-middleton-destined-queen-royalty

Were you trying to make a race thing out of this with your last comment?

*Next thing you are going to tell me is that Diana married Charlie for love. It is a bargained for exchange for Charles and William: they get hot women they would have no chance with under normal circumstances and the women get the Keys to the Kingdom.

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1. How was it with your wife? Who was the mark? What was the exchange in that union?

Quote:

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Next thing you are going to tell me is that Diana married Charlie for love.

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2. "Of course!"
-"Whatever love is, anyways."

Dumbest response ever!

No, actually, I have to take that back. Here's the dumbest response ever!!!:

About 10 years after meeting my freshman year roommate, we were at an engagement party on Nob Hill for him.
I hadn't seen him in a few years so with a crowd of guests gathered round, including his fianc, I asked:

"So, John… when was the moment when you knew she was the One?"

He responded in grand storytelling fashion:
"Well, I was in Las Vegas, at a bar. And there was this attractive bartender that I was trying to hit on. She said she got off at 2am, so I was hanging out. And then this girl comes up to me and says 'John? Is that you?'
"I mean, I thought she looked familiar but I couldn't place her.
"Oh oh oh yeah! Hey! How are you?…
"We talked for a bit and then I went up to my room to freshen up. I was soo drunk! I splashed water in my face, looked at my watch and then myself in the mirror and asked myself, 'what's it going to be? Are you going to wait up for the big tittied bartender? I was so tired. So I went back downstairs and that was that!"
He said it all so cheerfully, too!


I kid you not.
I was appalled and quickly (not quick enough) changed the question to something else he might be able to answer more gracefully - trying to serve up a second softball.

Needless to say, they were divorced in short order after the wedding.

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I don't follow your story.

His new bride was the bartender or the other girl? If the bartender how does the other girl factor into it? How did she know him? If it was the other girl she stayed down there the entire time? What about the bartender?

dajo9 said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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I'm way too American to really care about or perhaps even understand the Monarchy. All I know is I really really dislike MM and that I also find KM quite attractive, and that of course has nothing to do with royalty.

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Why do you dislike Meghan?

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I remember my grandfather arguing with my mom when she decided to divorce my father in 1976. He said, "if there's one thing I can't stand it's an Independent Woman!"

Meghan is strong (which some don't like), not meek like Diana. She'll fare far better!

And Harry needs a strong partner!

England would fare far better with this new independent, strong, and free-of-the-mold team of Harry and Meghan as King and Queen.

Unfortunately, they'll slog along with people who have never ventured to break up old traditions and chart a new course.

Isn't that why elective democracies were formed? Why term limits came about?

dajo9 said:

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bearister said:

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Oh Hell yes Kate chased slack jawed Prince Billy because of his Royal status and his tentacles to the $34B fortune.
You think he gets her if he is hawking policies at Lloyd's of London?

She wanna be a queen too.

Kate Middleton Was "Strategic" in Her Pursuit of Prince William


https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/celebs/a34680377/kate-middleton-strategic-pursuit-prince-william/


….and her ambitious mummy always had a plan for her little princess in waiting.

Reasons Kate Middleton Was Destined to Be Royalty | CafeMom.com


https://cafemom.com/entertainment/208847-kate-middleton-destined-queen-royalty

Were you trying to make a race thing out of this with your last comment?

*Next thing you are going to tell me is that Diana married Charlie for love. It is a bargained for exchange for Charles and William: they get hot women they would have no chance with under normal circumstances and the women get the Keys to the Kingdom.

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So everybody rich or hot is a mark. Whatever.

Meghan is hotter than Harry and earned more money than him. She's also a far more effective spokesperson than any of the royals. They pale in comparison to her.

But Kate is an obvious crown chaser while Meghan gets all the hate. You all are ridiculous. The world is ridiculous.

Meghan is awesome.

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Bingo!
But the thing is.
They haven't watched her in her own words, so it's really just an uninformed opinion.
Unfortunately, now that they've planted their opinion stake in the ground, it will be difficult for them to change opinion. Research shows that people don't when backed up.

It would likely be easy to watch the show and think at each moment, "oh, this is scripted, this is fake, she's an actor and they are trying to manipulate our emotions and opinions." And I'd understand that, for there are many such moments where they know they are on camera.

Still, I'm quite convinced by Harry when he explained the intricate relationships about how the Royalty works with the press to remain popular (which is the lifeblood of their existence), how that corrupts the royals as individuals, and how he needed to escape.
I find myself excited for him that he found someone who, when the attempted fairytale life blew up in their faces, was able to be the strong partner that he needed.
Yes, she was psychologically conditioned, somehow, as a child to see herself in a famous role (the show reveals early on).
Yes, she met and wooed the Prince.
But it is abundantly clear, she's precisely what he needed.

I wish them lots of luck! They will need it!
It's not an easy life he was born into.
And it's not an easy life she chose to become a part of. (Which brings up the interesting part where Harry discusses how many women he tried to get to know wanted no part of it all and backed away. Sad.)

Where does life take them from here?
I don't see an obvious path!
They can't live forever off of peddling these stories. And I think it's obvious - the Crown will not accept them back in the fold.

So, they are to live in some guilted cage in Santa Barbara??? How does that work?

They need to evolve professionally, if for no other reason than to maintain the security from paparazzi that climbs fences and intrudes for a photo.

Perhaps releasing the pressure by telling the story themselves was the only way.

God Bless California! May they find peace here among the Oprahs and the Tyler Perrys and the rest of the famous Hollywood set.

I would never want to be famous.
Life is hard enough on its own.

"Prince Harry and Meghan Markle "Fell Unconditionally in Love," Relationship Expert Says. They're so sweet together. Prince Harry and Meghan Markle promised to tell us their love story through their Netflix docuseries, Harry & Meghan. And if nothing else, it's clear that they did that." Dec 9, 2022 marieclaire.com





*Ok, I admit it, an Irishman should have never participated in this thread.

bearister said:

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What is the over/under regarding how long Harry and Meghan's union lasts?

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It might last a while, because unlike with the usual gold digger marriage, Meghan's status as a wannabe royal will drop off if she divorces. She can't climb any higher than where she is right now, so she's not going to let that go anytime soon. It's going to be down to how long Harry can bear living with her, and he's the kind of guy who is clueless enough to take the abuse, perhaps due to his sheltered upbringing and the trauma of having lost his mother at a young age.

dimitrig said:

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concordtom said:

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bearister said:

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Oh Hell yes Kate chased slack jawed Prince Billy because of his Royal status and his tentacles to the $34B fortune.
You think he gets her if he is hawking policies at Lloyd's of London?

She wanna be a queen too.

Kate Middleton Was "Strategic" in Her Pursuit of Prince William


https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/celebs/a34680377/kate-middleton-strategic-pursuit-prince-william/


….and her ambitious mummy always had a plan for her little princess in waiting.

Reasons Kate Middleton Was Destined to Be Royalty | CafeMom.com


https://cafemom.com/entertainment/208847-kate-middleton-destined-queen-royalty

Were you trying to make a race thing out of this with your last comment?

*Next thing you are going to tell me is that Diana married Charlie for love. It is a bargained for exchange for Charles and William: they get hot women they would have no chance with under normal circumstances and the women get the Keys to the Kingdom.

---

1. How was it with your wife? Who was the mark? What was the exchange in that union?

Quote:

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Next thing you are going to tell me is that Diana married Charlie for love.

---

2. "Of course!"
-"Whatever love is, anyways."

Dumbest response ever!

No, actually, I have to take that back. Here's the dumbest response ever!!!:

About 10 years after meeting my freshman year roommate, we were at an engagement party on Nob Hill for him.
I hadn't seen him in a few years so with a crowd of guests gathered round, including his fianc, I asked:

"So, John… when was the moment when you knew she was the One?"

He responded in grand storytelling fashion:
"Well, I was in Las Vegas, at a bar. And there was this attractive bartender that I was trying to hit on. She said she got off at 2am, so I was hanging out. And then this girl comes up to me and says 'John? Is that you?'
"I mean, I thought she looked familiar but I couldn't place her.
"Oh oh oh yeah! Hey! How are you?…
"We talked for a bit and then I went up to my room to freshen up. I was soo drunk! I splashed water in my face, looked at my watch and then myself in the mirror and asked myself, 'what's it going to be? Are you going to wait up for the big tittied bartender? I was so tired. So I went back downstairs and that was that!"
He said it all so cheerfully, too!


I kid you not.
I was appalled and quickly (not quick enough) changed the question to something else he might be able to answer more gracefully - trying to serve up a second softball.

Needless to say, they were divorced in short order after the wedding.

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I don't follow your story.

His new bride was the bartender or the other girl? If the bartender how does the other girl factor into it? How did she know him? If it was the other girl she stayed down there the entire time? What about the bartender?

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Sorry! I was afraid I'd not do it justice.

He was trying to pick up on the bartender, who kind of agreed to maybe hang out after her shift.

But then a distant cousin (yes, they are of (redacted) descent where marrying known is good) appeared and expressed her interest to him.

He went upstairs and weighed, "do I wait for the bartender, or hang out with (name redacted), who is waiting downstairs?"
He chose the cousin.

And he told me this story right in front of her as her friends! It was awful! I mean, the initial question I asked was something like the classic softball: "when did you know SHE was the one for you?"

(Uh, when I was too drunk to stay up and wait for the hot bartender.

Jesus Christ, John! What the F is the matter with you?!?!)

And there's more to his life story, but I can't reveal it in this thread lest anyone reading this says, "gee, I think I know who you are talking about." -No reason anyone should other than coincidence.

dajo9 said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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I'm way too American to really care about or perhaps even understand the Monarchy. All I know is I really really dislike MM and that I also find KM quite attractive, and that of course has nothing to do with royalty.

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Why do you dislike Meghan?

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First, an acknowledgment that I don't know her I only see what I see in the media.

She strikes me as being an off the charts combo of narcissism and neurosis, plus a grotesque level of opportunism. She voluntarily married into an institution then expected it to change for her. She is the definition of "Ugly American"

tequila4kapp said:

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dajo9 said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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I'm way too American to really care about or perhaps even understand the Monarchy. All I know is I really really dislike MM and that I also find KM quite attractive, and that of course has nothing to do with royalty.

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Why do you dislike Meghan?

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First, an acknowledgment that I don't know her I only see what I see in the media.

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Fox News (and it's British tabloid counterparts) did to old people what old people said video games would do to young people

tequila4kapp said:

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dajo9 said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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I'm way too American to really care about or perhaps even understand the Monarchy. All I know is I really really dislike MM and that I also find KM quite attractive, and that of course has nothing to do with royalty.

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Why do you dislike Meghan?

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First, an acknowledgment that I don't know her I only see what I see in the media.

She strikes me as being an off the charts combo of narcissism and neurosis, plus a grotesque level of opportunism. She voluntarily married into an institution then expected it to change for her. She is the definition of "Ugly American"

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Try watching the 6 episodes.
Then come back here and let us know if anything in your opinion has changed.

Like, you think she expected to Change the institution? Maybe she wasn't truly aware of how it would be. And, I think she did try to fit in.

I think the one who seeks change is Harry! He saw what the institution did to his mother, and was now doing to his wife.
He owns it in the series. Wise up to that!

Why is it so knee-jerkish to blame her?

Cal88 said:

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bearister said:

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What is the over/under regarding how long Harry and Meghan's union lasts?

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It might last a while, because unlike with the usual gold digger marriage, Meghan's status as a wannabe royal will drop off if she divorces. She can't climb any higher than where she is right now, so she's not going to let that go anytime soon. It's going to be down to how long Harry can bear living with her, and he's the kind of guy who is clueless enough to take the abuse, perhaps due to his sheltered upbringing and the trauma of having lost his mother at a young age.

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50 years.

concordtom said:

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dimitrig said:

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concordtom said:

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bearister said:

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Oh Hell yes Kate chased slack jawed Prince Billy because of his Royal status and his tentacles to the $34B fortune.
You think he gets her if he is hawking policies at Lloyd's of London?

She wanna be a queen too.

Kate Middleton Was "Strategic" in Her Pursuit of Prince William


https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/celebs/a34680377/kate-middleton-strategic-pursuit-prince-william/


….and her ambitious mummy always had a plan for her little princess in waiting.

Reasons Kate Middleton Was Destined to Be Royalty | CafeMom.com


https://cafemom.com/entertainment/208847-kate-middleton-destined-queen-royalty

Were you trying to make a race thing out of this with your last comment?

*Next thing you are going to tell me is that Diana married Charlie for love. It is a bargained for exchange for Charles and William: they get hot women they would have no chance with under normal circumstances and the women get the Keys to the Kingdom.

---

1. How was it with your wife? Who was the mark? What was the exchange in that union?

Quote:

---

Next thing you are going to tell me is that Diana married Charlie for love.

---

2. "Of course!"
-"Whatever love is, anyways."

Dumbest response ever!

No, actually, I have to take that back. Here's the dumbest response ever!!!:

About 10 years after meeting my freshman year roommate, we were at an engagement party on Nob Hill for him.
I hadn't seen him in a few years so with a crowd of guests gathered round, including his fianc, I asked:

"So, John… when was the moment when you knew she was the One?"

He responded in grand storytelling fashion:
"Well, I was in Las Vegas, at a bar. And there was this attractive bartender that I was trying to hit on. She said she got off at 2am, so I was hanging out. And then this girl comes up to me and says 'John? Is that you?'
"I mean, I thought she looked familiar but I couldn't place her.
"Oh oh oh yeah! Hey! How are you?…
"We talked for a bit and then I went up to my room to freshen up. I was soo drunk! I splashed water in my face, looked at my watch and then myself in the mirror and asked myself, 'what's it going to be? Are you going to wait up for the big tittied bartender? I was so tired. So I went back downstairs and that was that!"
He said it all so cheerfully, too!


I kid you not.
I was appalled and quickly (not quick enough) changed the question to something else he might be able to answer more gracefully - trying to serve up a second softball.

Needless to say, they were divorced in short order after the wedding.

---

I don't follow your story.

His new bride was the bartender or the other girl? If the bartender how does the other girl factor into it? How did she know him? If it was the other girl she stayed down there the entire time? What about the bartender?

---

Sorry! I was afraid I'd not do it justice.

He was trying to pick up on the bartender, who kind of agreed to maybe hang out after her shift.

But then a distant cousin (yes, they are of (redacted) descent where marrying known is good) appeared and expressed her interest to him.

He went upstairs and weighed, "do I wait for the bartender, or hang out with (name redacted), who is waiting downstairs?"
He chose the cousin.

And he told me this story right in front of her as her friends! It was awful! I mean, the initial question I asked was something like the classic softball: "when did you know SHE was the one for you?"

(Uh, when I was too drunk to stay up and wait for the hot bartender.

Jesus Christ, John! What the F is the matter with you?!?!)

And there's more to his life story, but I can't reveal it in this thread lest anyone reading this says, "gee, I think I know who you are talking about." -No reason anyone should other than coincidence.

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Okay, this makes more sense. I would have kept those thoughts to myself until after the divorce.

dajo9 said:

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This guy does lunch with the Queen. Which side are you on?

NO Jeremy Clarkson. Not on any level, in any circumstance, is it ok to write this stuff about any woman & absolutely NO to "everyone who's my age thinks the same"
No no no. We absolutely do NOT think the same.
Listen to the noise Jeremy. The crowds are chanting "shame on YOU" pic.twitter.com/OzCt9lHG16

— Carol Vorderman (@carolvorders) December 18, 2022

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Clarkson is legend in the car world and his shows are very entertaining. He is base and often crude. So I'm on his side generally. I get the fascination of the Brits with their Royals, but why do I or any other Americans have to give a crap? As far as I'm concerned, the whole family, including whiny and entitled Harry and Megan, can keep their elitist butts "over there." There was a reason we had a revolution. At least I tell my wife that when she forced me to watch years of Downtown Abbey, and then the movie, and then the second movie, and .... I don't get why the lives of English aristocracy is compelling too non-Brits.

concordtom said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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dajo9 said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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I'm way too American to really care about or perhaps even understand the Monarchy. All I know is I really really dislike MM and that I also find KM quite attractive, and that of course has nothing to do with royalty.

---

Why do you dislike Meghan?

---

First, an acknowledgment that I don't know her I only see what I see in the media.

She strikes me as being an off the charts combo of narcissism and neurosis, plus a grotesque level of opportunism. She voluntarily married into an institution then expected it to change for her. She is the definition of "Ugly American"

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Try watching the 6 episodes.
Then come back here and let us know if anything in your opinion has changed.

Like, you think she expected to Change the institution? Maybe she wasn't truly aware of how it would be. And, I think she did try to fit in.

I think the one who seeks change is Harry! He saw what the institution did to his mother, and was now doing to his wife.
He owns it in the series. Wise up to that!

Why is it so knee-jerkish to blame her?

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No thanks. Watching the series supports and encourages their behavior. "Leaving" the monarchy then profiting off it at every turn is not for me.

wifeisafurd said:

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dajo9 said:

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This guy does lunch with the Queen. Which side are you on?

NO Jeremy Clarkson. Not on any level, in any circumstance, is it ok to write this stuff about any woman & absolutely NO to "everyone who's my age thinks the same"
No no no. We absolutely do NOT think the same.
Listen to the noise Jeremy. The crowds are chanting "shame on YOU" pic.twitter.com/OzCt9lHG16

— Carol Vorderman (@carolvorders) December 18, 2022

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Clarkson is legend in the car world and his shows are very entertaining. He is base and often crude. So I'm on his side generally. I get the fascination of the Brits with their Royals, but why do I or any other Americans have to give a crap? As far as I'm concerned, the whole family, including whiny and entitled Harry and Megan, can keep their elitist butts "over there." There was a reason we had a revolution. At least I tell my wife that when she forced me to watch years of Downtown Abbey, and then the movie, and then the second movie, and .... I don't get why the lives of English aristocracy is compelling too non-Brits.

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Wife doesn't care about the royals - except he cares enough to have formed the opinion of American Meghan (and Harry) that she is whiny and entitled. Based on what?

Clarkson has lunch with the Queen and he wrote what he what he wrote about Meghan and the Queen has said nothing. We know where the slander by the media is coming from. It's coming from the Palace. If you hate Meghan and Harry you are basically pawns of the royal family. They didn't like being shown up by somebody with far more grace and personality and they unleashed hell on her. Simple as that.

For all Anglophiles with inquiring minds:

King Charles' ex-butler reveals Christmas decoration royals NEVER use



https://mol.im/a/11566559

bearister said:

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For all Anglophiles with inquiring minds:

King Charles' ex-butler reveals Christmas decoration royals NEVER use



https://mol.im/a/11566559

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American flags?

dajo9 said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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dajo9 said:

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This guy does lunch with the Queen. Which side are you on?

NO Jeremy Clarkson. Not on any level, in any circumstance, is it ok to write this stuff about any woman & absolutely NO to "everyone who's my age thinks the same"
No no no. We absolutely do NOT think the same.
Listen to the noise Jeremy. The crowds are chanting "shame on YOU" pic.twitter.com/OzCt9lHG16

— Carol Vorderman (@carolvorders) December 18, 2022

---

Clarkson is legend in the car world and his shows are very entertaining. He is base and often crude. So I'm on his side generally. I get the fascination of the Brits with their Royals, but why do I or any other Americans have to give a crap? As far as I'm concerned, the whole family, including whiny and entitled Harry and Megan, can keep their elitist butts "over there." There was a reason we had a revolution. At least I tell my wife that when she forced me to watch years of Downtown Abbey, and then the movie, and then the second movie, and .... I don't get why the lives of English aristocracy is compelling too non-Brits.

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Wife doesn't care about the royals - except he cares enough to have formed the opinion of American Meghan (and Harry) that she is whiny and entitled. Based on what?

Clarkson has lunch with the Queen and he wrote what he what he wrote about Meghan and the Queen has said nothing. We know where the slander by the media is coming from. It's coming from the Palace. If you hate Meghan and Harry you are basically pawns of the royal family. They didn't like being shown up by somebody with far more grace and personality and they unleashed hell on her. Simple as that.

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no my opinion is they almost all the royals seem whiny and entitled, starting with King Charles. Your comment that I hate Megan and Harry is moronic - as an American I just don't get the adulation for them or their other family members, or for that matter the English aristocracy in general. Megan and Harry are not the first married couple to have issues with one of the spouse's family, it is just they get paid $100 million to ***** about it. I don't hate them - I'm just tired abut hearing about them, or Charles and Camilla or whichever the royals forgot to courtesy or whatever bothers the English. Candidly, I don't get the fascination that would have you even concerned what a guy who makes his living being crass (usually about supercars) like Jeremy Clarkson says.

And the load of crap about poor Harry and Megan, pawns of the royal family, while they live in their huge mansions and castles, hob nabbing with Hollywood royalty, flying around in private jets, making appearances at all the right charities with all the right people, and all the other perks that comes with being a royal. Not to mention $100 million from Netflcks simply because their royals and they are not getting along with the grooms family. Apparently one of the more interesting scenes from the mostly fluff "documentary" that my wife will not get me to see is Megan crying on her $3,000 Hermes blanket, sitting in her limousine, while holding a f'ing yoga mat, and having just left the luxury hotel. Oh the cruelty. I think your comments may be a little to tone deaf to the rest of the world. I would say you need a life - but I'm on BI talking about the British Royals. We both need a life.

wifeisafurd said:

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I would say you need a life - but I'm on BI talking about the British Royals. We both need a life.

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Post of the year!

That's a great laugh. I appreciate self-deprecating humor!

I love these people purposefully coming into a thread titled "The British Crown" and singling out the one African American and her husband for insult. When they get called on it, they say, "oh I think that about all the royals".

I don't care about the royals either, as I said in my first post in this thread. I do care about racism, especially in a venerated institution like the British royal family. The strange hostility of the British media is what got me to look into the Meghan and Harry situation. Meghan is American - otherwise I probably still wouldn't have watched the series. I had seen some racism against her in the media. I'm in for calling out racism.

I remember this same argument around the time when the Oprah special was aired...

It was me and ???? saying that MM is a phony-ass gold-digger and Harry is p****whipped, arguing against ...

Okaydo (and, apparently dajo and concordtom) framimg it as Virtuous Meghan vs. the Evil Royals.

It was one of my favorite debates ever on this forum, as it split us Trump-haters in two. (Nothing is more tedious to me that simple ol' right versus left.)

Love it!

dajo9 said:

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I love these people purposefully coming into a thread titled "The British Crown" and singling out the one African American and her husband for insult. When they get called on it, they say, "oh I think that about all the royals".

I don't care about the royals either, as I said in my first post in this thread. I do care about racism, especially in a venerated institution like the British royal family. The strange hostility of the British media is what got me to look into the Meghan and Harry situation. Meghan is American - otherwise I probably still wouldn't have watched the series. I had seen some racism against her in the media. I'm in for calling out racism.

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I wouldn't so quickly classify the posts here as "racist".
For me, the most intriguing aspect is Harry vs his brother, father, and previously his grandmother.

I think he makes some excellent points about power and control and them having an interest in things being one way and them being willing to sell him down the river if he's a threat to their position.
Frankly, I relate to Harry in that I got gaslit by senior family for similar reasons.
I challenged, they couldn't handle the truth, sold a narrative that I was off my rocker.
No. And neither is Harry.

Then hurry up and watch so we can renew the debate.

concordtom said:

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Then hurry up and watch so we can renew the debate.

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I could give a crap about any of those people, including the ones that eagerly marry into the family only to find out that their lives now suck. I care just enough to lob a few insults at them on the OT forum of a college sports fan site.

dajo9 said:

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Cal88 said:

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concordtom said:

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bearister said:

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At least I respect Markle for making her own money. She clearly has a head for business, knew an easy mark when she saw one, and figured out how to leverage her situation into a multi million dollar payday. Harry is along for the ride.

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I don't often disagree with you you, but I think that's really really crappy of you.

Please listen to episode 5, minute 36:59 until 38:02.

Don't agree with me. But maybe just reconsider that they are both two individuals on their own journeys, but having linked up together.

There is so much in here that it's about Harry, his life experience, the loss of his mother, his need to flip the script. HE just needed a brave partner to help him through the process.

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Are you really basing your views about this couple on a Netflix series, Tom ?!?

Bearister is spot on here, to use a British expression.

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Nobody here is surprised that Cal88 is anti-Meghan.

Also, as a pure coincidence. 88 happens to be a white supremacy moniker.

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Calling somebody racist, or making that implication, is kind of a big deal, at least where I come from (Oakland). IMO, you shouldn't toss bombs like that unless you can prove it or it's really obvious. And I don't think being anti-Meghan Markle qualifies.

Big C said:

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Cal88 said:

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concordtom said:

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bearister said:

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At least I respect Markle for making her own money. She clearly has a head for business, knew an easy mark when she saw one, and figured out how to leverage her situation into a multi million dollar payday. Harry is along for the ride.

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I don't often disagree with you you, but I think that's really really crappy of you.

Please listen to episode 5, minute 36:59 until 38:02.

Don't agree with me. But maybe just reconsider that they are both two individuals on their own journeys, but having linked up together.

There is so much in here that it's about Harry, his life experience, the loss of his mother, his need to flip the script. HE just needed a brave partner to help him through the process.

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Are you really basing your views about this couple on a Netflix series, Tom ?!?

Bearister is spot on here, to use a British expression.

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Nobody here is surprised that Cal88 is anti-Meghan.

Also, as a pure coincidence. 88 happens to be a white supremacy moniker.

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Calling somebody racist, or making that implication, is kind of a big deal, at least where I come from (Oakland). IMO, you shouldn't toss bombs like that unless you can prove it or it's really obvious. And I don't think being anti-Meghan Markle qualifies.

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I agree.
But I think Dajo (and Harry, in the series) does correctly point out that Meghan has faced an additional layer of criticism because of the race factor, subconscious bias.
And that translates into more critical and less sympathetic stories and headlines which shape general public opinion.

Why is it that people view her as an "outsider" who has married into the royal family simply for personal gain?
Why can't she be, they both be, people who met, fell in love with the other for who they were, where they came from, and what they had to offer the other?
I mean, it happens all the time.

These subconscious things are really tricky. Do you recall the uproar that occurred when they darkened the OJ photo?

Look, we are all racists at some level.
Science proves it. Brain scans of us vs them thinking. We are also subconsciously biased to people who attended our same school (Go Bears), who worship the same way we do/don't, who vote the same way, who root for the same sports teams (Niners, W's), who live where we live (415-510-916…. These are common themes… east side - west side)

Why do we pre-judge this way?
Scientists suggest it's an inherent survival strategy. Who can I trust?
Tribes form along all sort of lines, and race is just one of them.
Once we recognize how the brain works and understand what it's doing, we can override the subconscious patterning with conscious re-programming.

The social commentary has been blunt at times. "Black Lives Matter" hasn't properly "clicked" for a major swath of Americans. It's rather weak messaging.

Okay, well, it's 5am, and I'm probably typing up some gobbly gook, too.

Night night…

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Cal88 said:

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concordtom said:

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bearister said:

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At least I respect Markle for making her own money. She clearly has a head for business, knew an easy mark when she saw one, and figured out how to leverage her situation into a multi million dollar payday. Harry is along for the ride.

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I don't often disagree with you you, but I think that's really really crappy of you.

Please listen to episode 5, minute 36:59 until 38:02.

Don't agree with me. But maybe just reconsider that they are both two individuals on their own journeys, but having linked up together.

There is so much in here that it's about Harry, his life experience, the loss of his mother, his need to flip the script. HE just needed a brave partner to help him through the process.

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Are you really basing your views about this couple on a Netflix series, Tom ?!?

Bearister is spot on here, to use a British expression.

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Nobody here is surprised that Cal88 is anti-Meghan.

Also, as a pure coincidence. 88 happens to be a white supremacy moniker.

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Calling somebody racist, or making that implication, is kind of a big deal, at least where I come from (Oakland). IMO, you shouldn't toss bombs like that unless you can prove it or it's really obvious. And I don't think being anti-Meghan Markle qualifies.

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I doubt you debated me about the royal family after Oprah. I never watched the Oprah thing. I don't follow the royal family.

I did watch the Netflix series after seeing some harsh attacks from the British tabloid media about Meghan. Seeing the African-American in the royal family get unfairly attacked by the in-laws and media has gotten my engagement.

Also, I didn't call Cal88 racist

Let's get this straight, though.
She's not African American.
She's white. Her father is white!
And she American, not African! She was born in LA! Okaydo can prove it, knows her mum!

But, wait.
If she married the Prince in England, doesn't that now make her English, too?

Ummm…. Is Harry a "Californian" now??
Yay! Go Bears!
Archie is going to be a little sturdy golden bear! Go team!!
He's one of US now!

You know he's loving it here!! He says so in the film. "I'm living a life with my kids that I could never do in the UK!" (As he drives his car along the main SB beach and pier.)

They are in love, loving their little family, and I'm happy for them.
The drama is uk tabloid nonsense.
It's so awesome they broke away. He gets a chance at a real life now, the one his mother couldn't escape. And she gets her Prince.

The End.

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Let's get this straight, though.
She's not African American.
She's white. Her father is white!
And she American, not African! She was born in LA! Okaydo can prove it, knows her mum!

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Dude, what are you talking about?

Also, Meghan and Lilibet are U.S. citizens. I'm sure Harry and Archie can be if they apply (maybe Archie already is, I don't know). .

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concordtom said:

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Let's get this straight, though.
She's not African American.
She's white. Her father is white!
And she American, not African! She was born in LA! Okaydo can prove it, knows her mum!

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Dude, what are you talking about?

Also, Meghan and Lilibet are U.S. citizens. I'm sure Harry and Archie can be if they apply (maybe Archie already is, I don't know). .

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I can't blame them for wanting a new life in the US, but I would have enjoyed having a Prince Archie in the public eye. Almost as much as a King Jughead, though maybe that's the unofficial name for Charles.

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dajo9 said:

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concordtom said:

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Let's get this straight, though.
She's not African American.
She's white. Her father is white!
And she American, not African! She was born in LA! Okaydo can prove it, knows her mum!

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Dude, what are you talking about?

Also, Meghan and Lilibet are U.S. citizens. I'm sure Harry and Archie can be if they apply (maybe Archie already is, I don't know). .

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I can't blame them for wanting a new life in the US, but I would have enjoyed having a Prince Archie in the public eye. Almost as much as a King Jughead, though maybe that's the unofficial name for Charles.

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In honor of poor little Lilibet and Archie will have to go through life with silver spoon on their mouth, but only have limited access to dear old Grandpupa Charles:

"The man we encounter here is a ninny, a whinger, (sic) a tantrum-throwing dilettante, hopelessly thin-skinned . . . nave and resentful. He is a preening snob, keenly sensitive to violations of protocol, intolerant of opinions contrary to his own, and horribly misled about the extent of his own talents. He is a "prolix, circular" thinker, "more of an intellectual striver than a genuine intellectual," who extolls Indian slums for their sustainable way of life and preaches against the corrupting allure of "sophistication" while himself living in unfathomable luxe. He reportedly travels with a white leather toilet seat, and outrage on the rare occasions when he has to fly first class rather than in a private jet.

Asked when it was that he had first realized he would one day be king, he said that there had been no particular moment of revelation, just a slow, "ghastly, inexorable" dawning. Doubts about his fitness for his future role were raised from the start. As a timorous, sickly child, prone to sinus infections and tears, he was a source of puzzlement and some disappointment to his parents. His mother, whom he would later describe as "not indifferent so much as detached," worried that he was a "slow developer." His father, Prince Philip, thought him weedy, effete, and spoiled. Too physically uncoördinated to be any good at team sports, too scared of horses to enjoy riding lessons, and too sensitive not to despair when, at the age of eight, he was sent away to boarding school, he was happiest spending time with his grandmother the Queen Mother, who gave him hugs, took him to the ballet, and, as he later put it, "taught me how to look at things." Neither physical demonstrativeness nor sensitivity to art was considered a desirable trait by the rest of his family. Charles told an earlier biographer, Jonathan Dimbleby, about a time when he ventured to express enthusiasm about the Leonardo da Vinci drawings in the Royal Library at Windsor; his parents and siblings gazed at him with an embarrassed bemusement that, he said, made him feel "squashed and guilty," as if he had "in some indefinable way let his family down." Charles has continued to define himself against his family's philistinism, boasting in his letters and journals of his intense, lachrymose responses to art, literature, and nature. The man is a twit."

PM John Major in a tirade that was made public by an American magazine that is not a tabloid.

BTW, my wife wants me to watch the Crown. I say bullocks, and strike a blow on behalf of all American males. Cheerio....