movielover said:

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Over 30 million illegal immigrants have dramatically increased the competition for low-cost housing, low-skilled jobs, and social services.

The minimum wage is essentially a training wage, not a wage to rent a house in Manhattan, Malibu or Hong Kong.

A friend with a high school education and 4 children moved to the Midwest, got a job, was promoted, and now bought a 5-bedroom house on two acres listed at $360,000, for $150,000.

Yes, the Liberals / Democrats now are the coastal elites.

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Going by the number you gave 30 million
Why so many ?
Who is hiring them ?
What is the penalty for bringing them across the border to work in the first place ?
Who made their homes unstable ?
Whose jobs did they take ?

You do realize your way means a person working 40 hours a week doesn't deserve a clean decent place to live … is that your intention or just don't give a F ?
It's 80 million unhoused/housing insecure people and that number goes up everyday …

The colonizer/white supremacy bka white depravity/mediocracy game(mindset) is playing out and when the masses reach critical mass hopelessness then what? Do you have space ship to take you to another planet for yall to destroy?

American consumers are starting to feel the bite pic.twitter.com/rfeHkrO5Il

— Heshmat Alavi's Trenchcoat (@UrOrientalist) March 21, 2023

movielover said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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Please name the specific alleged lie.

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Your first sentence, as per usual

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I posted this once already, you apparently can't accept new facts. Our govt uses the 12 million figure that they've used since at least 1998. And the figure the Feds used when Reagan was POTUS was also dramatically undercounted. Around 2000 a big six consulting group used a more comprehensive method and estimated the number at around 20 million illegal immigrants.

The Hill [2018]: Yale, MIT study: 22 million, not 11 million, undocumented immigrants in US

"The paper, led by Mohammad M. Fazel-Zarandi, a researcher at Yale and Massachusetts Institute of Technology, estimates there are 22.1 million undocumented immigrants in the United States.

"Fazel-Zarandi's study compared inflows and outflows of immigrants as well as demographic data. According to the report, the number of undocumented immigrants could be as low as 16.5 million, or as high as 29.1 million."

Now add in two more years, plus 5 million illegal immigrants who entered under the Biden Administration.

My guess is it's even higher. The liberal incentive is to underestimate the numbers.

https://thehill.com/latino/407848-yale-mit-study-22-million-not-11-million-undocumented-immigrants-in-us/

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Your Trump fanfic is hardly what you call a "fact". It ignores circular migration and magically creates 12 million people out of the 17.5 million Mexicans it claims in America in the 1990s vs. the 5.5 million Mexicans missing from Mexico data. Then you take their bogus number and add almost 50% because. . . Biden.

That's called lying.

https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/414059-inaccurate-study-harms-evidence-based-immigration-debate/

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0204199

dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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Please name the specific alleged lie.

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Your first sentence, as per usual

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I posted this once already, you apparently can't accept new facts. Our govt uses the 12 million figure that they've used since at least 1998. And the figure the Feds used when Reagan was POTUS was also dramatically undercounted. Around 2000 a big six consulting group used a more comprehensive method and estimated the number at around 20 million illegal immigrants.

The Hill [2018]: Yale, MIT study: 22 million, not 11 million, undocumented immigrants in US

"The paper, led by Mohammad M. Fazel-Zarandi, a researcher at Yale and Massachusetts Institute of Technology, estimates there are 22.1 million undocumented immigrants in the United States.

"Fazel-Zarandi's study compared inflows and outflows of immigrants as well as demographic data. According to the report, the number of undocumented immigrants could be as low as 16.5 million, or as high as 29.1 million."

Now add in two more years, plus 5 million illegal immigrants who entered under the Biden Administration.

My guess is it's even higher. The liberal incentive is to underestimate the numbers.

https://thehill.com/latino/407848-yale-mit-study-22-million-not-11-million-undocumented-immigrants-in-us/

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Your Trump fanfic is hardly what you call a "fact". It ignores circular migration and magically creates 12 million people out of the 17.5 million Mexicans it claims in America in the 1990s vs. the 5.5 million Mexicans missing from Mexico data. Then you take their bogus number and add almost 50% because. . . Biden.

That's called lying.

https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/414059-inaccurate-study-harms-evidence-based-immigration-debate/

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0204199

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Why are you narrowing it to Mexican immigrants?

oski003 said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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Please name the specific alleged lie.

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Your first sentence, as per usual

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I posted this once already, you apparently can't accept new facts. Our govt uses the 12 million figure that they've used since at least 1998. And the figure the Feds used when Reagan was POTUS was also dramatically undercounted. Around 2000 a big six consulting group used a more comprehensive method and estimated the number at around 20 million illegal immigrants.

The Hill [2018]: Yale, MIT study: 22 million, not 11 million, undocumented immigrants in US

"The paper, led by Mohammad M. Fazel-Zarandi, a researcher at Yale and Massachusetts Institute of Technology, estimates there are 22.1 million undocumented immigrants in the United States.

"Fazel-Zarandi's study compared inflows and outflows of immigrants as well as demographic data. According to the report, the number of undocumented immigrants could be as low as 16.5 million, or as high as 29.1 million."

Now add in two more years, plus 5 million illegal immigrants who entered under the Biden Administration.

My guess is it's even higher. The liberal incentive is to underestimate the numbers.

https://thehill.com/latino/407848-yale-mit-study-22-million-not-11-million-undocumented-immigrants-in-us/

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Your Trump fanfic is hardly what you call a "fact". It ignores circular migration and magically creates 12 million people out of the 17.5 million Mexicans it claims in America in the 1990s vs. the 5.5 million Mexicans missing from Mexico data. Then you take their bogus number and add almost 50% because. . . Biden.

That's called lying.

https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/414059-inaccurate-study-harms-evidence-based-immigration-debate/

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0204199

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Why are you narrowing it to Mexican immigrants?

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Because the time in dispute (the 1990s) was overwhelmingly Mexican migration. That has since changed but movielovers Trump fanfic argues there were 12 million Mexican nationals here in the 1990s that Mexico and America didn't know about.

It does this by ignoring circular migration. If you spent any time around Mexican migrants back in the day you know some people traveled back and forth. If an illegal immigrant returned to Mexico to visit family and then came back, movielovers study counts that as two people in America.

dajo9 said:

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oski003 said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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Please name the specific alleged lie.

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Your first sentence, as per usual

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I posted this once already, you apparently can't accept new facts. Our govt uses the 12 million figure that they've used since at least 1998. And the figure the Feds used when Reagan was POTUS was also dramatically undercounted. Around 2000 a big six consulting group used a more comprehensive method and estimated the number at around 20 million illegal immigrants.

The Hill [2018]: Yale, MIT study: 22 million, not 11 million, undocumented immigrants in US

"The paper, led by Mohammad M. Fazel-Zarandi, a researcher at Yale and Massachusetts Institute of Technology, estimates there are 22.1 million undocumented immigrants in the United States.

"Fazel-Zarandi's study compared inflows and outflows of immigrants as well as demographic data. According to the report, the number of undocumented immigrants could be as low as 16.5 million, or as high as 29.1 million."

Now add in two more years, plus 5 million illegal immigrants who entered under the Biden Administration.

My guess is it's even higher. The liberal incentive is to underestimate the numbers.

https://thehill.com/latino/407848-yale-mit-study-22-million-not-11-million-undocumented-immigrants-in-us/

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Your Trump fanfic is hardly what you call a "fact". It ignores circular migration and magically creates 12 million people out of the 17.5 million Mexicans it claims in America in the 1990s vs. the 5.5 million Mexicans missing from Mexico data. Then you take their bogus number and add almost 50% because. . . Biden.

That's called lying.

https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/414059-inaccurate-study-harms-evidence-based-immigration-debate/

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0204199

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Why are you narrowing it to Mexican immigrants?

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Because the time in dispute (the 1990s) was overwhelmingly Mexican migration. That has since changed but movielovers Trump fanfic argues there were 12 million Mexican nationals here in the 1990s that Mexico and America didn't know about.

It does this by ignoring circular migration. If you spent any time around Mexican migrants back in the day you know some people traveled back and forth. If an illegal immigrant returned to Mexico to visit family and then came back, movielovers study counts that as two people in America.

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Are you calling the Yale study Trump fanfic? If an illegal immigrant returned to Mexico to visit family and then came back, and was caught neither time, your studies count him as zero, correct? What about immigrants from other Latin American countries as well as South America?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/insights.som.yale.edu/insights/yale-study-finds-twice-as-many-undocumented-immigrants-as-previous-estimates%3famp

oski003 said:

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dajo9 said:

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oski003 said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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Please name the specific alleged lie.

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Your first sentence, as per usual

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I posted this once already, you apparently can't accept new facts. Our govt uses the 12 million figure that they've used since at least 1998. And the figure the Feds used when Reagan was POTUS was also dramatically undercounted. Around 2000 a big six consulting group used a more comprehensive method and estimated the number at around 20 million illegal immigrants.

The Hill [2018]: Yale, MIT study: 22 million, not 11 million, undocumented immigrants in US

"The paper, led by Mohammad M. Fazel-Zarandi, a researcher at Yale and Massachusetts Institute of Technology, estimates there are 22.1 million undocumented immigrants in the United States.

"Fazel-Zarandi's study compared inflows and outflows of immigrants as well as demographic data. According to the report, the number of undocumented immigrants could be as low as 16.5 million, or as high as 29.1 million."

Now add in two more years, plus 5 million illegal immigrants who entered under the Biden Administration.

My guess is it's even higher. The liberal incentive is to underestimate the numbers.

https://thehill.com/latino/407848-yale-mit-study-22-million-not-11-million-undocumented-immigrants-in-us/

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Your Trump fanfic is hardly what you call a "fact". It ignores circular migration and magically creates 12 million people out of the 17.5 million Mexicans it claims in America in the 1990s vs. the 5.5 million Mexicans missing from Mexico data. Then you take their bogus number and add almost 50% because. . . Biden.

That's called lying.

https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/414059-inaccurate-study-harms-evidence-based-immigration-debate/

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0204199

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Why are you narrowing it to Mexican immigrants?

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Because the time in dispute (the 1990s) was overwhelmingly Mexican migration. That has since changed but movielovers Trump fanfic argues there were 12 million Mexican nationals here in the 1990s that Mexico and America didn't know about.

It does this by ignoring circular migration. If you spent any time around Mexican migrants back in the day you know some people traveled back and forth. If an illegal immigrant returned to Mexico to visit family and then came back, movielovers study counts that as two people in America.

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Are you calling the Yale study Trump fanfic? If an illegal immigrant returned to Mexico to visit family and then came back, and was caught neither time, your studies count him as zero, correct? What about immigrants from other Latin American countries as well as South America?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/insights.som.yale.edu/insights/yale-study-finds-twice-as-many-undocumented-immigrants-as-previous-estimates%3famp

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Yes, I am calling the Yale study Trump fanfic. You can rely on New England academics over the local experts to tell us what is happening at the southern border if you want. If an illegal immigrant returned to Mexico to visit family and then came back and was caught neither time, the studies and experts I rely on would count that one person as one person. I would hesitate to use any study that came to a different conclusion for that one person.

dajo9 said:

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oski003 said:

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dajo9 said:

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oski003 said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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Please name the specific alleged lie.

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Your first sentence, as per usual

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I posted this once already, you apparently can't accept new facts. Our govt uses the 12 million figure that they've used since at least 1998. And the figure the Feds used when Reagan was POTUS was also dramatically undercounted. Around 2000 a big six consulting group used a more comprehensive method and estimated the number at around 20 million illegal immigrants.

The Hill [2018]: Yale, MIT study: 22 million, not 11 million, undocumented immigrants in US

"The paper, led by Mohammad M. Fazel-Zarandi, a researcher at Yale and Massachusetts Institute of Technology, estimates there are 22.1 million undocumented immigrants in the United States.

"Fazel-Zarandi's study compared inflows and outflows of immigrants as well as demographic data. According to the report, the number of undocumented immigrants could be as low as 16.5 million, or as high as 29.1 million."

Now add in two more years, plus 5 million illegal immigrants who entered under the Biden Administration.

My guess is it's even higher. The liberal incentive is to underestimate the numbers.

https://thehill.com/latino/407848-yale-mit-study-22-million-not-11-million-undocumented-immigrants-in-us/

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Your Trump fanfic is hardly what you call a "fact". It ignores circular migration and magically creates 12 million people out of the 17.5 million Mexicans it claims in America in the 1990s vs. the 5.5 million Mexicans missing from Mexico data. Then you take their bogus number and add almost 50% because. . . Biden.

That's called lying.

https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/414059-inaccurate-study-harms-evidence-based-immigration-debate/

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0204199

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Why are you narrowing it to Mexican immigrants?

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Because the time in dispute (the 1990s) was overwhelmingly Mexican migration. That has since changed but movielovers Trump fanfic argues there were 12 million Mexican nationals here in the 1990s that Mexico and America didn't know about.

It does this by ignoring circular migration. If you spent any time around Mexican migrants back in the day you know some people traveled back and forth. If an illegal immigrant returned to Mexico to visit family and then came back, movielovers study counts that as two people in America.

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Are you calling the Yale study Trump fanfic? If an illegal immigrant returned to Mexico to visit family and then came back, and was caught neither time, your studies count him as zero, correct? What about immigrants from other Latin American countries as well as South America?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/insights.som.yale.edu/insights/yale-study-finds-twice-as-many-undocumented-immigrants-as-previous-estimates%3famp

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Yes, I am calling the Yale study Trump fanfic. You can rely on New England academics over the local experts to tell us what is happening at the southern border if you want. If an illegal immigrant returned to Mexico to visit family and then came back and was caught neither time, the studies and experts I rely on would count that one person as one person. I would hesitate to use any study that came to a different conclusion for that one person.

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How would they know about him, especially if he came from Latin or South America?

"Circular migration" only makes sense if they were measuring illegal immigration by counting "turnstile" movements at the border. There is probably some other measurements and sampling data that will give you a snapshot of the volume of illegal immigration that is not based on just measuring flows from the border. Thus this term of "circular migration" is a cognitive heuristic meant to circumvent thought process and reinforce confirmation biases.

The other reason that the number of illegal migration is undercounted is that many or most of these immigrants from Mexico and Ctrl America eventually legalize their status and stop being counted accordingly.

oski003 said:

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dajo9 said:

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oski003 said:

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dajo9 said:

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oski003 said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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Please name the specific alleged lie.

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Your first sentence, as per usual

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I posted this once already, you apparently can't accept new facts. Our govt uses the 12 million figure that they've used since at least 1998. And the figure the Feds used when Reagan was POTUS was also dramatically undercounted. Around 2000 a big six consulting group used a more comprehensive method and estimated the number at around 20 million illegal immigrants.

The Hill [2018]: Yale, MIT study: 22 million, not 11 million, undocumented immigrants in US

"The paper, led by Mohammad M. Fazel-Zarandi, a researcher at Yale and Massachusetts Institute of Technology, estimates there are 22.1 million undocumented immigrants in the United States.

"Fazel-Zarandi's study compared inflows and outflows of immigrants as well as demographic data. According to the report, the number of undocumented immigrants could be as low as 16.5 million, or as high as 29.1 million."

Now add in two more years, plus 5 million illegal immigrants who entered under the Biden Administration.

My guess is it's even higher. The liberal incentive is to underestimate the numbers.

https://thehill.com/latino/407848-yale-mit-study-22-million-not-11-million-undocumented-immigrants-in-us/

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Your Trump fanfic is hardly what you call a "fact". It ignores circular migration and magically creates 12 million people out of the 17.5 million Mexicans it claims in America in the 1990s vs. the 5.5 million Mexicans missing from Mexico data. Then you take their bogus number and add almost 50% because. . . Biden.

That's called lying.

https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/414059-inaccurate-study-harms-evidence-based-immigration-debate/

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0204199

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Why are you narrowing it to Mexican immigrants?

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Because the time in dispute (the 1990s) was overwhelmingly Mexican migration. That has since changed but movielovers Trump fanfic argues there were 12 million Mexican nationals here in the 1990s that Mexico and America didn't know about.

It does this by ignoring circular migration. If you spent any time around Mexican migrants back in the day you know some people traveled back and forth. If an illegal immigrant returned to Mexico to visit family and then came back, movielovers study counts that as two people in America.

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Are you calling the Yale study Trump fanfic? If an illegal immigrant returned to Mexico to visit family and then came back, and was caught neither time, your studies count him as zero, correct? What about immigrants from other Latin American countries as well as South America?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/insights.som.yale.edu/insights/yale-study-finds-twice-as-many-undocumented-immigrants-as-previous-estimates%3famp

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Yes, I am calling the Yale study Trump fanfic. You can rely on New England academics over the local experts to tell us what is happening at the southern border if you want. If an illegal immigrant returned to Mexico to visit family and then came back and was caught neither time, the studies and experts I rely on would count that one person as one person. I would hesitate to use any study that came to a different conclusion for that one person.

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How would they know about him, especially if he came from Latin or South America?

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Movielover presented a flawed study which I adequately rebuted. If you want information on the analysis done by the experts in the field for decades then do your own research and don't expect to outsource it to me.

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"Circular migration" only makes sense if they were measuring illegal immigration by counting "turnstile" movements at the border. There is probably some other measurements and sampling data that will give you a snapshot of the volume of illegal immigration that is not based on just measuring flows from the border. Thus this term of "circular migration" is a cognitive heuristic meant to circumvent thought process and reinforce confirmation biases.

The other reason that the number of illegal migration is undercounted is that many or most of these immigrants from Mexico and Ctrl America eventually legalize their status and stop being counted accordingly.

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Circular migration is a problem the experts in the field have known about for decades to they don't measure illegal immigration by flows at the border and instead they use "other measurements and sampling data that will give you a snapshot of the volume of illegal immigration that is not based on just measuring flows from the border".

The Trump fanfic just went ahead and counted illegal immigrants based on flows at the border without accounting for issues that have been known about for decades. I call it Trump fanfic because these kinds of propaganda are political, in nature, and meant to promote Trump's agenda.

dajo9 said:

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Cal88 said:

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"Circular migration" only makes sense if they were measuring illegal immigration by counting "turnstile" movements at the border. There is probably some other measurements and sampling data that will give you a snapshot of the volume of illegal immigration that is not based on just measuring flows from the border. Thus this term of "circular migration" is a cognitive heuristic meant to circumvent thought process and reinforce confirmation biases.

The other reason that the number of illegal migration is undercounted is that many or most of these immigrants from Mexico and Ctrl America eventually legalize their status and stop being counted accordingly.

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Circular migration is a problem the experts in the field have known about for decades to they don't measure illegal immigration by flows at the border and instead they use "other measurements and sampling data that will give you a snapshot of the volume of illegal immigration that is not based on just measuring flows from the border".

The Trump fanfic just went ahead and counted illegal immigrants based on flows at the border without accounting for issues that have been known about for decades. I call it Trump fanfic because these kinds of propaganda are political, in nature, and meant to promote Trump's agenda.

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^When your argument falls flat, press the TDS button, repeatedly. Highly effective cognitive device, unfortunately.

Circular migration will actually tend to undercount the population of illegals, some of which would be temporarily away south of the border at the time the sampling is made.

The 12 million figure has been provided now by our Federal government for decades. I recall it as early as the late 1990s.

You cogently asked: "There is probably some other measurements and sampling data that will give you a snapshot of the volume of illegal immigration that is not based on just measuring flows from the border."

The big six accounting estimate I mentioned did exactly that. (I think it was Coopers & Lybrand, but not sure.) Their in-depth study and analysis was around the year 2000. They looked at multiple items like school enrollment, hospital / ER visits, etc., to analyze the illegal immigrant population. I believe their estimate was 20 million.

The 5 million new illegal immigrants / surge under pro-illegal immigration / elite Wall Street Democrats has been well publicised.

dajo9 never tells us what published numbers he counts on.

Side note: the Ivy League authors went into the study believing the number of illegal immigrants was much lower, and they were surprised by their own findings.

movielover said:

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The 12 million figure has been provided now by our Federal government for decades. I recall it as early as the late 1990s.

You cogently asked: "There is probably some other measurements and sampling data that will give you a snapshot of the volume of illegal immigration that is not based on just measuring flows from the border."

The big six accounting estimate I mentioned did exactly that. (I think it was Coopers & Lybrand, but not sure.) Their in-depth study and analysis was around the year 2000. They looked at multiple items like school enrollment, hospital / ER visits, etc., to analyze the illegal immigrant population. I believe their estimate was 20 million.

The 5 million new illegal immigrants / surge under pro-illegal immigration / elite Wall Street Democrats has been well publicised.

dajo9 never tells us what published numbers he counts on.

Side note: the Ivy League authors went into the study believing the number of illegal immigrants was much lower, and they were surprised by their own findings.

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I can believe you think illegal immigrants in the U.S. have been at 12 million since the 1990s because you believe in all kinds of fanciful numbers that support your agenda. The number peaked with the housing boom at about 12 million and flatlined after the Great Recession until at least the Covid era. But you will take any outlier one-time study that supports your preconceived beliefs despite its flaws.

The 5 million - mostly apprehensions - under Biden also count the same person multiple times because under Trump's Title 42 policy many people are immediately expelled and then apprehended again. The number is also - mostly apprehensions. Meaning people that didn't get into the country because of Biden's strong border policy.

You are a liar. You won't address anything I point out as a lie. You will continue to throw more lies at the wall with your friend Cal88 in your firehose of falsehoods.

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/illegal-immigration-statistics/

The numbers you cite 5 or 12 millions, are probably a rolling number of current illegals, most of which legalize their status a decade or two after they have entered the US.

PS - I'm not completely against immigration (even illegal), I think it just needs to be calibrated in accordance to the local labor markets and the infrastructure and services available. The people most negatively affected by uncontrolled illegal mass immigration are the working class, who get squeezed out and whose wages go down, as observed for instance in the California construction industry. That aspect of the immigration issue needs to be acknowledged.

Cal88 said:

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The numbers you cite 5 or 12 millions, are probably a rolling number of current illegals, most of which legalize their status a decade or two after they have entered the US.

PS - I'm not completely against immigration (even illegal), I think it just needs to be calibrated in accordance to the local labor markets and the infrastructure and services available. The people most negatively affected by uncontrolled illegal mass immigration are the working class, who get squeezed out and whose wages go down, as observed for instance in the California construction industry. That aspect of the immigration issue needs to be acknowledged.

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I'm not in favor of big immigration. I support low immigration and Biden's strong border policies.

I mostly detest scapegoating liars

You cite no sources and avoid basic reality, which of coarse is aided by our liberal media.

FTR, we already have the most generous legal immigration in the world at 1 million a year, plus chain migration, plus millions of H1B visas so Zuckerberg and Gates can make Billions more. Massive illegal immigration has hammered the lower classes, depressed wages, and particularly harmed black and Mexican American families. Even Cesar Chavez knew this!

Daily Signal: More Caught Illegally Crossing Southern Border in 1 Year of Biden Than Entire Trump Presidency

Terence Jeffrey, March 20, 2023

"On his his first day in office, Biden signed six executive orders and issued several more directives related to immigration and border security," said the Republic. He also proposed legislation, as the Republic reported it, that would "provide a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants" who had arrived in the United States by Jan. 1, 2021.

"The result? In fiscal year 2021, the number of individuals that the Border Patrol encountered as they illegally crossed the U.S.-Mexico border jumped to 1,734,686. In fiscal year 2022, it jumped again to 2,378,944.

"From January 2017, when Trump was inaugurated, through January 2021, when Biden succeeded him in office, the Border Patrol, according to its data, encountered a total of 2,112,458 trying to illegally enter our country through the southern border.

"That means the Border Patrol encountered more people trying to illegally cross the southern border in fiscal year 2022, under Biden, than it did through the entirety of Trump's presidency.

Joe Biden's pro illegal immigration policies mean more gang members, more cartel members, more deadly fentanyl smuggled in, more human trafficking, and more terrorists.

Terrorist Watch List Numbers (identified)

Trump Presidency
2017 - 2 individuals
2018 - 6
2019 - 0
2020 - 3
Total: 11

Biden Presidency
2021 - 15
2022 - 98
2023 - 69** (2 months)
Total: 182

This is more than a 16-fold increase in known terrorists entering our country, and the upward trend is way over a 32-fold increase and exponentially growing!

Don't forget, 9/11 was carried out by a dozen individuals?

https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/03/20/more-caught-illegally-crossing-southern-border-in-1-year-of-biden-than-entire-trump-presidency/

movielover said:

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You cite no sources and avoid basic reality, which of coarse is aided by our liberal media.

FTR, we already have the most generous legal immigration in the world at 1 million a year, plus chain migration, plus millions of H1B visas so Zuckerberg and Gates can make Billions more. Massive illegal immigration has hammered the lower classes, depressed wages, and particularly harmed black and Mexican American families. Even Cesar Chavez knew this!

Daily Signal: More Caught Illegally Crossing Southern Border in 1 Year of Biden Than Entire Trump Presidency

Terence Jeffrey, March 20, 2023

"On his his first day in office, Biden signed six executive orders and issued several more directives related to immigration and border security," said the Republic. He also proposed legislation, as the Republic reported it, that would "provide a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants" who had arrived in the United States by Jan. 1, 2021.

"The result? In fiscal year 2021, the number of individuals that the Border Patrol encountered as they illegally crossed the U.S.-Mexico border jumped to 1,734,686. In fiscal year 2022, it jumped again to 2,378,944.

"From January 2017, when Trump was inaugurated, through January 2021, when Biden succeeded him in office, the Border Patrol, according to its data, encountered a total of 2,112,458 trying to illegally enter our country through the southern border.

"That means the Border Patrol encountered more people trying to illegally cross the southern border in fiscal year 2022, under Biden, than it did through the entirety of Trump's presidency.

Joe Biden's pro illegal immigration policies mean more gang members, more cartel members, more deadly fentanyl smuggled in, more human trafficking, and more terrorists.

Terrorist Watch List Numbers (identified)

Trump Presidency
2017 - 2 individuals
2018 - 6
2019 - 0
2020 - 3

Biden Presidency
2021 - 15
2022 - 98
2023 - 69** (2 months)

Don't forget, 9/11 was carried out by a dozen individuals?

https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/03/20/more-caught-illegally-crossing-southern-border-in-1-year-of-biden-than-entire-trump-presidency/

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I've linked to 3 sources, none of which you've shown any signs of looking at

Biden is releasing illegal aliens from China with little more than a piece of paper promising they'll eventually appear in court. Will they spy on Americans? Collect intelligence on our military installations? Our own government apparently doesn't care to find out. https://t.co/2Jd2O4uhkf

— J.D. Vance (@JDVance1) March 21, 2023

Is there anything more annoying and massively ******y than a guy who puts his pronouns in all of his communications?

Why, yes there is, it's the guy who goes out of his way to be the ONLY guy on a SPORTS message board who posts his pronouns. But, I am glad you listed them, as I would have guessed incorrectly.

Chapman_is_Gone said:

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Is there anything more annoying and massively ******y than a guy who puts his pronouns in all of his communications?

Why, yes there is, it's the guy who goes out of his way to be the ONLY guy on a SPORTS message board who posts his pronouns. But, I am glad you listed them, as I would have guessed incorrectly.

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Welcome to Off Topic. And yes, I started doing it when I realized how much it freaks out
all the snowflakes. Sorry you got triggered.

Yup.

Chapman_is_Gone said:

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Is there anything more annoying and massively ******y than a guy who puts his pronouns in all of his communications?

Why, yes there is, it's the guy who goes out of his way to be the ONLY guy on a SPORTS message board who posts his pronouns. But, I am glad you listed them, as I would have guessed incorrectly.

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This person identifies as a hawk trapped in a human body pic.twitter.com/JS2HWlnzQ4

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) March 22, 2023

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You cite no sources and avoid basic reality, which of coarse is aided by our liberal media.

FTR, we already have the most generous legal immigration in the world at 1 million a year, plus chain migration, plus millions of H1B visas so Zuckerberg and Gates can make Billions more. Massive illegal immigration has hammered the lower classes, depressed wages, and particularly harmed black and Mexican American families. Even Cesar Chavez knew this!

Daily Signal: More Caught Illegally Crossing Southern Border in 1 Year of Biden Than Entire Trump Presidency

Terence Jeffrey, March 20, 2023

"On his his first day in office, Biden signed six executive orders and issued several more directives related to immigration and border security," said the Republic. He also proposed legislation, as the Republic reported it, that would "provide a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants" who had arrived in the United States by Jan. 1, 2021.

"The result? In fiscal year 2021, the number of individuals that the Border Patrol encountered as they illegally crossed the U.S.-Mexico border jumped to 1,734,686. In fiscal year 2022, it jumped again to 2,378,944.

"From January 2017, when Trump was inaugurated, through January 2021, when Biden succeeded him in office, the Border Patrol, according to its data, encountered a total of 2,112,458 trying to illegally enter our country through the southern border.

"That means the Border Patrol encountered more people trying to illegally cross the southern border in fiscal year 2022, under Biden, than it did through the entirety of Trump's presidency.

Joe Biden's pro illegal immigration policies mean more gang members, more cartel members, more deadly fentanyl smuggled in, more human trafficking, and more terrorists.

Terrorist Watch List Numbers (identified)

Trump Presidency
2017 - 2 individuals
2018 - 6
2019 - 0
2020 - 3
Total: 11

Biden Presidency
2021 - 15
2022 - 98
2023 - 69** (2 months)
Total: 182

This is more than a 16-fold increase in known terrorists entering our country, and the upward trend is way over a 32-fold increase and exponentially growing!

Don't forget, 9/11 was carried out by a dozen individuals?

https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/03/20/more-caught-illegally-crossing-southern-border-in-1-year-of-biden-than-entire-trump-presidency/

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Dad gum! From those numbers, it looks like the border is being guarded better under Biden than it was under Trump. Well done, Joe!

I loved Connie Hawkins.

Drug Court after two arrests.

https://abc7news.com/society/sf-now-sending-drug-users-to-drug-court-on-2nd-arrest/13456873/

https://abc7news.com/society/sf-business-owner-punched-in-face-by-man-urinating-outside-his-shop/13527885/

I think it is only a matter of time before one or more of these business owners snaps and starts going Walter White.

Everything is off the rails now

He needs to have enough awareness to know unless he is ready to take there do not bother. The streets literally don't give a F ______.

The corrections that could have avoided the complete down far were not made hence here we are.

The director of St. Vincent de Paul in Oakland wrote a thoughtful opinion piece in the Catholic Voice focusing on mental health and substance abuse issues. She said their shelter often has 40-50 open beds. They will store possessions and make arrangements for pets…and try to get them help.

She basically said many homeless advocates are the worst enemies of the homeless because they promote the living on the streets option because many prefer it.

I understand the Free Will and Constitutional rights arguments, but I'm not sure people impaired by mental health or substance abuse issues can exercise Free Will under any meaningful definition of that term.

It is unlawful not to let someone live on the public sidewalk if you don't have a bed for them. Cities that provide a bed for every homeless person can have an ordinance prohibiting living in the streets. I believe Las Vegas went that route.

Report: San Francisco's homelessness rate trailed Oakland, L.A. in 2022 - Axios San Francisco


https://www.axios.com/local/san-francisco/2023/07/28/san-francisco-homelessness-rates

Lots and lots of moving pieces and layers. When I started learning about scientific charity it unveiled a dynamic that that was one the many vices of indoctrination. "It's the individual that is the problem never a mix of societal and or economic power structures both visible and invisible " way of looking at everything !!!
But what happens when more people don't think us/we versus I/me or even worse more people are lost/lost all hope.

I have come to the conclusion that most of the people need PSH permanent supportive housing until they hopefully achieve some balance in life.

Tensions boil over San Francisco's homeless encampment sweeps - Axios San Francisco


https://www.axios.com/local/san-francisco/2023/08/24/san-francisco-homeless-encampments-sweep-lawsuit

"Lee acknowledged during the hearing that people who reject "genuine" offers may not be considered "involuntarily homeless," something City Attorney David Chiu in a statement called a "major concession."

"We are pleased Plaintiffs agree that enforcement action can be taken against individuals who refuse shelter," said Chiu, who stressed that the court order has hampered San Francisco's ability to combat homelessness."

California's CARE Court brings mental health care into the courtroom | 60 Minutes - CBS News


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/care-court-california-mental-illness-courtroom-plan-60-minutes-transcript/

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The director of St. Vincent de Paul in Oakland wrote a thoughtful opinion piece in the Catholic Voice focusing on mental health and substance abuse issues. She said their shelter often has 40-50 open beds. They will store possessions and make arrangements for pets…and try to get them help.

She basically said many homeless advocates are the worst enemies of the homeless because they promote the living on the streets option because many prefer it.

I understand the Free Will and Constitutional rights arguments, but I'm not sure people impaired by mental health or substance abuse issues can exercise Free Will under any meaningful definition of that term.

It is unlawful not to let someone live on the public sidewalk if you don't have a bed for them. Cities that provide a bed for every homeless person can have an ordinance prohibiting living in the streets. I believe Las Vegas went that route.

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The 9th circuit apparently adjusted the language of its opinion on this point in conjunction with voting to not hear the appeal en banc.